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AuH20
08-19-2013, 09:06 AM
So we have the CIA and MI6's vile little gremlins riling up internecine chaos between the Christian minority and the natives.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0818/In-Egyptian-village-Christian-shops-marked-ahead-of-church-attack-video


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396764/Egypt-crisis-Islamist-mob-parades-nuns-Cairo-prisoners-war.html

Destabilization is their calling card. Remember that an earlier incarnation tried twice to kill the late President Gamel Abdel Nasser :

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html

tod evans
08-19-2013, 09:09 AM
USA>>>>>>>>>>>GTFO!

AuH20
08-19-2013, 09:20 AM
Obama almost unequivocally supports the Muslim Brotherhood, which leads one to believe that he is indeed a Fabian Society ideologue and CIA operative. It's plain as day. You don't support a group with such an outrageous past, from colluding with Hitler to attempting to kill Gamel Abdul Nasser, who was viewed by many as an Arab folk hero.

Cleaner44
08-19-2013, 09:42 AM
Obama almost unequivocally supports the Muslim Brotherhood, which leads one to believe that he is indeed a Fabian Society ideologue and CIA operative. It's plain as day. You don't support a group with such an outrageous past, from colluding with Hitler to attempting to kill Gamel Abdul Nasser, who was viewed by many as an Arab folk hero.

But isn't Obama sending aid to the enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Paulbot99
08-19-2013, 09:56 AM
If I recall correctly, he's giving money to the military directly. That or funding both sides.

seyferjm
08-19-2013, 09:59 AM
One of the saddest parts of all is how many American Christians are clueless about the suffering of Christians over there.

pcosmar
08-19-2013, 10:00 AM
That or funding both sides.

^^^This, an attempt to retain control of people that are tired of being manipulated.

AuH20
08-19-2013, 10:04 AM
If I recall correctly, he's giving money to the military directly. That or funding both sides.

That's exactly what it is. Someone wants a civil war to spill over into Israel.

orenbus
08-19-2013, 10:19 AM
It's an issue of hypocrisy, most in our government want to maintain:

1. Camp David accords which involves to some extent the funding of aid by us to the Egyptians as a bribe to support Israel
2. Over land flights without having to get approval for our jets and first priority (no waiting in line) for our war ships through the Suez canal for easy access and speed to get our ships from the Atlantic Ocean/Mediterranean Sea to the Indian Ocean for potential and ongoing Mideast strikes
3. U.S. Military Contractors here would be out 1.3 Billion dollars a year in hardware they are currently providing the Egyptians from our tax dollars, that politicians would consider costing jobs and would upset military contractor lobbyists in Washington

All of the above being a justification to back up the current military in Egypt in the name of national security.

At the same time stories of the legitimately elected government being overthrown through a military coup, peaceful protestors caught in the crossfire between the military and the Egyptian people not being allowed to choose their own leaders puts into question why the U.S. does not want to speak honestly about what is happening in Egypt right now and follow our own laws on stopping aid to Egypt. With Apache helicopters flying over Egyptian streets it makes us seem like the worst kind of hypocrites, those that profess to want to promote democracy around the world while at the same time willing to support military dictators not in the abstract but in a real world situation, much like the case of the Shah in Iran up to the 1979 Iranian Revolution. In some ways what is happening right now in Egypt is a battle between Secular Western-like form of government and one that would be rooted in Islam while at the same time many Egyptian citizens caught in the middle of this tug of war.

The worst part is where at least some of these other cases are issues that are dealt with behind the scenes by some in our government, this is a very public case and any observer from the outside looking in can see exactly what is happening on a day by day basis which does not look very good for anyone.

tod evans
08-19-2013, 10:22 AM
One of the saddest parts of all is how many American Christians are clueless about the suffering of Christians over there.

Then Christians over here need to send their own money or provide their own labor to help the foreign Christians..

The US government was never intended to police other nations.

Politicians who push nation building, whether for business or humanitarian reasons, are overstepping their authority.

enhanced_deficit
08-19-2013, 10:26 AM
So we have the CIA and MI6's vile little gremlins riling up internecine chaos between the Christian minority and the natives.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0818/In-Egyptian-village-Christian-shops-marked-ahead-of-church-attack-video


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396764/Egypt-crisis-Islamist-mob-parades-nuns-Cairo-prisoners-war.html

Destabilization is their calling card. Remember that an earlier incarnation tried twice to kill the late President Gamel Abdel Nasser :

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html

Syria model being brought to Egypt and then it ill be implmeneted in Lebanon next.

Unfortunately, Suspected War Criminal Obama would care as much about Egyptian,Syrian Arab Christians as SWC Bush did about Iraqi Christians.

We won't hear a peep from groups like ADL either who usually speak out when settelers are attacked.


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AuH20
08-19-2013, 10:33 AM
An independent polling firm just released their results of a poll taken from a wide demographic of Egyptian citizens. Get this. Mr. Nobel Peace Prize boasts a 3% approval rating. 3%!!!!

BlackTerrel
08-19-2013, 07:20 PM
I happen to know a small community of Copts here.

They all cheered when Mubarak fell but I don't think anyone expected this. All I see from facebook is they are trying to get their remaining family out there.

Very sad what is going on there. The Christians are the easiest target but pretty much everyone is being targeted by someone now. Really sad situation and the US needs to get out. Nothing good will come of this.

BlackTerrel
08-19-2013, 07:23 PM
Obama almost unequivocally supports the Muslim Brotherhood, which leads one to believe that he is indeed a Fabian Society ideologue and CIA operative. It's plain as day. You don't support a group with such an outrageous past, from colluding with Hitler to attempting to kill Gamel Abdul Nasser, who was viewed by many as an Arab folk hero.

No he doesn't. The Muslim brotherhood who won the majority of the vote were democratically elected in Egypt. The majority of the population supports them and the targeting of minorities and especially Christians. It was US funded military who overthrew Muslim brotherhood. Here is what Ron Paul had to say:

http://www.infowars.com/us-egypt-policies-dont-pass-the-laugh-test/

A military coup in Egypt yesterday resulted in the removal and imprisonment of the elected president, Mohamed Morsi, a closure of media outlets sympathetic to him, the house arrest of his advisors, and the suspension of the constitution. The military that overthrew Morsi is the main recipient of the $1.3 billion yearly US aid package to Egypt. You could say that the US “owns” the Egyptian military that just overthrew its democratically-elected leader.

Well, Egypt had a democratically-elected government, but it was overthrown by the US-funded Egyptian military!

Victor Grey
08-19-2013, 07:24 PM
Tyrants vs. Tyrants, Egypt edition.

Let's throw a bunch of money at it, and see what it do.
What could go wrong? No one could be offended, right?

QueenB4Liberty
08-19-2013, 07:26 PM
Yeah we need to get out now. It's not our concern.

Marky
08-19-2013, 07:43 PM
Obama almost unequivocally supports the Muslim Brotherhood, which leads one to believe that he is indeed a Fabian Society ideologue and CIA operative. It's plain as day. You don't support a group with such an outrageous past, from colluding with Hitler to attempting to kill Gamel Abdul Nasser, who was viewed by many as an Arab folk hero.

Except when he sends aid to the Egyptian military that openly slaughters them. The whole "Obama supports the MB” meme isn’t supported by actual facts, and is straight from the Beck/Bachman propaganda machine.

enhanced_deficit
08-19-2013, 08:06 PM
No he doesn't. The Muslim brotherhood who won the majority of the vote were democratically elected in Egypt. The majority of the population supports them and the targeting of minorities and especially Christians. It was US funded military who overthrew Muslim brotherhood. Here is what Ron Paul had to say:

http://www.infowars.com/us-egypt-policies-dont-pass-the-laugh-test/



Really, how did you conclude that Egyptian majority of population supports "targeting of minorities and especially Christians"? On the surface it seems like misleading or overly simplistic use of logic.

Putting aside the accuracy of claim in OP for a moment, since US majority elected current US government and now SWC Obama is funding democratic protesters massacring Eghyptian military dictatorship, can Egyptian peolpe conclude that majority of American populaton supports US funding of oppressive Egyptian dictatorship?


Here is what Ron Paul had said about Israel creating Hamas:
Ron Paul - Israel Created Hamas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0)

Using your logic, can Christians in mideast conclude from this that majority of population in Israel supported creation of "anti-Christain" Hamas and targetting of Arab Christians by Islamic radicals?

BTW, on an unrelated note, do you know why US funds oppressive military dictatorship in Egypt even post 9/11?

BlackTerrel
08-19-2013, 09:25 PM
Really, how did you conclude that Egyptian majority of population supports "targeting of minorities and especially Christians"? On the surface it seems like misleading or overly simplistic use of logic.

The majority of the populace voted for the Muslim brotherhood. There is no secret of their antipathy towards minority Christians.


Putting aside the accuracy of claim in OP for a moment, since US majority elected current US government and now SWC Obama is funding democratic protesters massacring Eghyptian military dictatorship, can Egyptian peolpe conclude that majority of American populaton supports US funding of oppressive Egyptian dictatorship?

I don't think policy on Egypt is main issue of Obama voters. I don't think it cracks top 100.


Here is what Ron Paul had said about Israel creating Hamas:
Ron Paul - Israel Created Hamas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0)

Using your logic, can Christians in mideast conclude from this that majority of population in Israel supported creation of "anti-Christain" Hamas and targetting of Arab Christians by Islamic radicals?

Sometimes when you support something it has unintended consequences. Like the many Israeli civilians and military Hamas has killed.


BTW, on an unrelated note, do you know why US funds oppressive military dictatorship in Egypt even post 9/11?

Because we're not good at minding our own business. None of the hijackers were from Egypt - 9/11 is irrelevant.

AuH20
08-19-2013, 09:28 PM
Except when he sends aid to the Egyptian military that openly slaughters them. The whole "Obama supports the MB” meme isn’t supported by actual facts, and is straight from the Beck/Bachman propaganda machine.

Are you kidding me? They are the ones who helped usher in the Muslim Brotherhood and gave them mainstream credibility as a political movement. Secondly, after that bloody day of 500 deaths Obama actually admonished the Egyptian military for being too rough, when they were being ambushed all over. Obama likes to play both sides, since he is a CIA product, but his administration is the one who has groomed, supplied and protected this entire organization.

oyarde
08-19-2013, 11:02 PM
Then Christians over here need to send their own money or provide their own labor to help the foreign Christians..

The US government was never intended to police other nations.

Politicians who push nation building, whether for business or humanitarian reasons, are overstepping their authority.

I agree , now the gubmint needs to stand back , allow me to kick in a few dollars to fund and arm a Coptic Army to fight back :) Oh , wait , let me review, the govt takes my money arms the terrorists they like , but I cannot do that , it would be illegal ...... govt sucks....

enhanced_deficit
08-19-2013, 11:47 PM
So we have the CIA and MI6's vile little gremlins riling up internecine chaos between the Christian minority and the natives.
....


Destabilization is their calling card. Remember that an earlier incarnation tried twice to kill the late President Gamel Abdel Nasser :

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html


Speaking of earlier incarnations, use caution before believing everything reported in controlled MSM:



Lavon Affair (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair&sa=U&ei=IgATUrnRFqOc2AWLtYCYBA&ved=0CB8QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHtyDxh7_UTNLirGbVUUYXspoHglw)

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1]a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned civilian targets, cinema, library and American educational center. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone
Context of 'July 1954: Israel Commits Bombing Attacks in Egypt ... (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/url?q=http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp%3Fitem%3Dwestern_support_for_islamic_m ilitancy_2026&sa=U&ei=IgATUrnRFqOc2AWLtYCYBA&ved=0CCMQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNFnp6jp9E1dMp7x-ztE3U33U9b_vg)
www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support)...
Bombs explode in British and American cultural centers and libraries, and in post
offices in Alexandria and Cairo. The campaign ends when a bomb explodes ...

Have not seen any evidence either way but there is certainly motive for Israeli interests to cultivate support for US aid to Egyptian military dictatorship and against Muslim Brotherhood and perhaps Coptic Christians also. MB and Coptic Christians share same strategic goals, both communities co-existed peacefully for centuries and civil war between MB and Coptic Christians benefits foreign interests more than it benefits either one of them.





Coptic Church Bans Travel to Israel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEpnywHhJSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEpnywHhJSM



Egypt Military Aid to Be Paid by U.S. for Strategic Goals - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-23/egypt-military-aid-to-be-paid-by-u-s-for-strategic-goals.html)
www.bloomberg.com/.../egypt-military-aid-to-be-paid-by-u-s-for-strateg...‎ (http://www.bloomberg.com/.../egypt-military-aid-to-be-paid-by-u-s-for-strateg...%E2%80%8E)

August 14, 2013
Massacre Of Islamists By Egyptian Military Likely Strategic (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/haroonmoghul/7252/massacre_of_islamists_by_egyptian_military_likely_ strategic/)

Israel relying on Egyptian army to counter Islamists
Published July 05, 2013
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/05/israel-relying-on-egyptian-army-to-counter-islamists/

BlackTerrel
08-21-2013, 01:18 PM
Are you kidding me? They are the ones who helped usher in the Muslim Brotherhood and gave them mainstream credibility as a political movement. Secondly, after that bloody day of 500 deaths Obama actually admonished the Egyptian military for being too rough, when they were being ambushed all over. Obama likes to play both sides, since he is a CIA product, but his administration is the one who has groomed, supplied and protected this entire organization.

The Muslim Brotherhood was elected with the majority of the Egyptian vote.