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08-18-2013, 06:18 PM
The following is from a poster called "AliceTheKurious", an Egyptian woman. I used to post at this forum but left because most of them are internationalist progressives and the site owner is a gatekeeper. Alice was always someone I admired and is an incredible writer (as far I know, she does not write professionally, but she should). Her perspectives on the middle east were like nothing I'd been able to read elsewhere. When TSHTF in fan in Egypt, I went back there to see if Alice had checked in (she's sort of a sporadic poster) and she has. What she has to say is something anyone interested in the conflict needs to read. I'll give a snip of her first post but please click the link to see photos, video, and her subsequent posts:
"Don't believe what you see on the news. The BBC, CNN, France24, CBC, and newspapers like The Guardian, the Independent, USA Today and the Washington Post are marching in lockstep as they propagate the exact same lies, which have nothing to do with the reality we are living. The Egyptian people are determined as never before: Christian and Muslim, young and old, military, police, judges, rich and poor, to defend their nation against the gang of terrorists and their brainwashed automatons who have been doing everything possible to destroy it. With the collusion of the Western media and Western governments and Western public relations firms, the Muslim Brothers have been exporting a totally false narrative of victimization that has nothing whatsoever to do with the reality. I give you my word that they will lose, because Egypt is united and strong, with, for the first time in more than 40 years, a leadership that is worthy of our great people."
I want to apologize in advance; I should have read what others have posted here in order to respond, but I can't. I think I will go mad if I have to look at any more lies right now. I did note that some articles posted here earlier were written by members of the so-called "Revolutionary Socialists"; I figured them for agents provocateurs linked to the Brotherhood more than a year and a half ago. They, like the Brotherhood itself, have played a very destructive role in the very revolution they claim to speak for. Their "activism" consists primarily in acting as agents of disinformation directed at Western Leftist circles and especially in the early months of 2011, "bait" for young and naive Egyptian Leftists, thousands of whom they incited into stupid and pointless vandalism against public property, although now they have been largely discredited locally. Now, their job seems to be mainly to give Leftist "street creds" in English publications to the Islamists' false narrative of victimization, which also happens to be the official US line.
What the Western media is describing as "protests" and "sit-ins" were armed terrorist camps set up in the middle of two heavily-populated residential neighborhoods. I have relatives who live in Nasr City, quite close to the largest of these camps. They lived as virtual prisoners inside their apartment for weeks, unable to sleep from the constant noise of loudspeakers blaring all night the Brotherhood's incitement against Christians and against the more than 30 million Egyptian people who revolted against the fascist rule of the Brotherhood, whom the speakers described as "infidels" who deserve to be slaughtered. hundreds of black al-Qaeda flags were waved by these lovely advocates of democracy; one Islamist preacher approved, and described the Egyptian national flag as the flag of the "infidels".
On July 29, jubilant applause greeted the announcement that experienced "fighters" from al-Qaeda and Jamaa' Islamiya (the group that assassinated Anwar Sadat) had joined the camp, and would participate in logistics for its defense. The camp was surrounded by barricades made of sand-bags and rocks, for which the "protesters" broke up the sidewalks.
The stench from the makeshift toilets set up to serve the 50,000 or so residents of the camps was overwhelming, especially in the Egyptian summer heat. That's not counting the piles of rotting garbage and the dozens of decomposing corpses that were unearthed after the camp was broken up. My friend and her husband and children were unable to go out even to buy food or go to work, because of the Brothers' harassment of the residents, including full body searches. Grocery stores refused to deliver, for the same reason, and because their delivery-men were frequently robbed and/or beaten. They were afraid to leave their apartment, fearing that it would be broken into and taken over by the "demonstrators", as so many others were.
As the number of people tortured by the Brotherhood inside their camps, some with their fingers cut off, continued to rise, and as eye-witness reports and photos and videos continued to show large quantities of weapons being smuggled into the camps, Western human rights groups and the Western media and Western government officials continued to describe these camps as peaceful sit-ins, and those who ran them as 'protesters'. Many of the victims were desperately poor people who were attracted to the camps by promises of free food and at least LE 200 per day (just under $30) or up to LE 1000 per day, in exchange for staying there and participating in the chants, but who were savagely beaten and sometimes mutilated when they tried to leave. Others were Egyptian journalists, who tried to document what was going on inside, or were suspected of being journalists; the Brotherhood allowed only the unfailingly sympathetic Western journalists, who were taken around on carefully guided tours and allowed to speak with only designated spokespersons, and the Brotherhood-staffed Al-Jazeera Direct Egypt, the only network whose cameras and microphones were permitted to move freely around the camp.
Every single day, our soldiers and police were being murdered in Sinai by the battle-hardened terrorists whom Morsy and the Brotherhood had brought into the country from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan and elsewhere. In most cases, they ambushed off-duty troops heading home on leave, or used road-side explosives. Mohamed Beltagy, a very prominent member of the Brotherhood, explicitly said that these attacks would cease only when Morsy was returned to power:
(video @ link)
Meanwhile, the Brothers were busy setting the stage for a "massacre" -- posting photos of dead and mutilated bodies from Syria and Iraq, labeling them as though the victims were killed by Egyptian police, and even staging fake instances of police brutality (complete with fake blood) for photographs:
(video @ link)
Egyptians were especially outraged by the parades staged by the Brotherhood, of children (some as young as 4 years old) taken from Brotherhood-run orphanages, wrapped in funeral shrouds and bearing signs that said, "I will be a martyr for Islam":
(pics @ link)
Egyptians were especially outraged by the parades staged by the Brotherhood, of children (some as young as 4 years old) taken from Brotherhood-run orphanages, wrapped in funeral shrouds and bearing signs that said, "I will be a martyr for Islam":
(pics @ link)
One of my acquaintances runs a center for street children; one day, a Muslim Brother visited her and offered to take as many children as possible to what he described as a "summer camp", where they would be fed and clothed and taught karate, etc. She insisted on knowing exactly where this "camp" is, and he finally told her that it was the Brotherhood so-called "sit-in" in Nasr City. Needless to say, she refused, then contacted other centers for street children and orphanages, as well as the media, to warn others.
It took more than a month of atrocities for Amnesty International to issue this shamefully understated report, which did not begin to describe the reality of what was happening inside those terrorist camps:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/pre ... 2013-08-02
Meanwhile, people continued to disappear; some survivors, bearing signs of severe torture, were later found alive. They described horrific abuse of others, including women, that they had witnessed. Nearly 30 corpses, some with fingers cut off or other signs of torture, were only discovered after police dispersed the camp, wrapped in shrouds and hidden under the main stage in the camp in Nasr City:
(video @ link)
or in the nearby mosque that the Brotherhood had occupied and burned to the ground as they retreated, in order to destroy evidence of their crimes.
The Brotherhood periodically sent out groups of marchers, armed with clubs, knives, shot-guns and even swords; as they went, they smashed cars, windows, and beat anybody who didn't express full support for them.
Sometimes, they would put their kidnapped victims in sacks, and dumped them alive, at night on major roads. This was filmed around three weeks ago on 6th of October Bridge, one of the major bridges inside Cairo:
(video @ link)
Much, much more here:
Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution
Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:46 am
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31041&start=1755
"Don't believe what you see on the news. The BBC, CNN, France24, CBC, and newspapers like The Guardian, the Independent, USA Today and the Washington Post are marching in lockstep as they propagate the exact same lies, which have nothing to do with the reality we are living. The Egyptian people are determined as never before: Christian and Muslim, young and old, military, police, judges, rich and poor, to defend their nation against the gang of terrorists and their brainwashed automatons who have been doing everything possible to destroy it. With the collusion of the Western media and Western governments and Western public relations firms, the Muslim Brothers have been exporting a totally false narrative of victimization that has nothing whatsoever to do with the reality. I give you my word that they will lose, because Egypt is united and strong, with, for the first time in more than 40 years, a leadership that is worthy of our great people."
I want to apologize in advance; I should have read what others have posted here in order to respond, but I can't. I think I will go mad if I have to look at any more lies right now. I did note that some articles posted here earlier were written by members of the so-called "Revolutionary Socialists"; I figured them for agents provocateurs linked to the Brotherhood more than a year and a half ago. They, like the Brotherhood itself, have played a very destructive role in the very revolution they claim to speak for. Their "activism" consists primarily in acting as agents of disinformation directed at Western Leftist circles and especially in the early months of 2011, "bait" for young and naive Egyptian Leftists, thousands of whom they incited into stupid and pointless vandalism against public property, although now they have been largely discredited locally. Now, their job seems to be mainly to give Leftist "street creds" in English publications to the Islamists' false narrative of victimization, which also happens to be the official US line.
What the Western media is describing as "protests" and "sit-ins" were armed terrorist camps set up in the middle of two heavily-populated residential neighborhoods. I have relatives who live in Nasr City, quite close to the largest of these camps. They lived as virtual prisoners inside their apartment for weeks, unable to sleep from the constant noise of loudspeakers blaring all night the Brotherhood's incitement against Christians and against the more than 30 million Egyptian people who revolted against the fascist rule of the Brotherhood, whom the speakers described as "infidels" who deserve to be slaughtered. hundreds of black al-Qaeda flags were waved by these lovely advocates of democracy; one Islamist preacher approved, and described the Egyptian national flag as the flag of the "infidels".
On July 29, jubilant applause greeted the announcement that experienced "fighters" from al-Qaeda and Jamaa' Islamiya (the group that assassinated Anwar Sadat) had joined the camp, and would participate in logistics for its defense. The camp was surrounded by barricades made of sand-bags and rocks, for which the "protesters" broke up the sidewalks.
The stench from the makeshift toilets set up to serve the 50,000 or so residents of the camps was overwhelming, especially in the Egyptian summer heat. That's not counting the piles of rotting garbage and the dozens of decomposing corpses that were unearthed after the camp was broken up. My friend and her husband and children were unable to go out even to buy food or go to work, because of the Brothers' harassment of the residents, including full body searches. Grocery stores refused to deliver, for the same reason, and because their delivery-men were frequently robbed and/or beaten. They were afraid to leave their apartment, fearing that it would be broken into and taken over by the "demonstrators", as so many others were.
As the number of people tortured by the Brotherhood inside their camps, some with their fingers cut off, continued to rise, and as eye-witness reports and photos and videos continued to show large quantities of weapons being smuggled into the camps, Western human rights groups and the Western media and Western government officials continued to describe these camps as peaceful sit-ins, and those who ran them as 'protesters'. Many of the victims were desperately poor people who were attracted to the camps by promises of free food and at least LE 200 per day (just under $30) or up to LE 1000 per day, in exchange for staying there and participating in the chants, but who were savagely beaten and sometimes mutilated when they tried to leave. Others were Egyptian journalists, who tried to document what was going on inside, or were suspected of being journalists; the Brotherhood allowed only the unfailingly sympathetic Western journalists, who were taken around on carefully guided tours and allowed to speak with only designated spokespersons, and the Brotherhood-staffed Al-Jazeera Direct Egypt, the only network whose cameras and microphones were permitted to move freely around the camp.
Every single day, our soldiers and police were being murdered in Sinai by the battle-hardened terrorists whom Morsy and the Brotherhood had brought into the country from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan and elsewhere. In most cases, they ambushed off-duty troops heading home on leave, or used road-side explosives. Mohamed Beltagy, a very prominent member of the Brotherhood, explicitly said that these attacks would cease only when Morsy was returned to power:
(video @ link)
Meanwhile, the Brothers were busy setting the stage for a "massacre" -- posting photos of dead and mutilated bodies from Syria and Iraq, labeling them as though the victims were killed by Egyptian police, and even staging fake instances of police brutality (complete with fake blood) for photographs:
(video @ link)
Egyptians were especially outraged by the parades staged by the Brotherhood, of children (some as young as 4 years old) taken from Brotherhood-run orphanages, wrapped in funeral shrouds and bearing signs that said, "I will be a martyr for Islam":
(pics @ link)
Egyptians were especially outraged by the parades staged by the Brotherhood, of children (some as young as 4 years old) taken from Brotherhood-run orphanages, wrapped in funeral shrouds and bearing signs that said, "I will be a martyr for Islam":
(pics @ link)
One of my acquaintances runs a center for street children; one day, a Muslim Brother visited her and offered to take as many children as possible to what he described as a "summer camp", where they would be fed and clothed and taught karate, etc. She insisted on knowing exactly where this "camp" is, and he finally told her that it was the Brotherhood so-called "sit-in" in Nasr City. Needless to say, she refused, then contacted other centers for street children and orphanages, as well as the media, to warn others.
It took more than a month of atrocities for Amnesty International to issue this shamefully understated report, which did not begin to describe the reality of what was happening inside those terrorist camps:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/pre ... 2013-08-02
Meanwhile, people continued to disappear; some survivors, bearing signs of severe torture, were later found alive. They described horrific abuse of others, including women, that they had witnessed. Nearly 30 corpses, some with fingers cut off or other signs of torture, were only discovered after police dispersed the camp, wrapped in shrouds and hidden under the main stage in the camp in Nasr City:
(video @ link)
or in the nearby mosque that the Brotherhood had occupied and burned to the ground as they retreated, in order to destroy evidence of their crimes.
The Brotherhood periodically sent out groups of marchers, armed with clubs, knives, shot-guns and even swords; as they went, they smashed cars, windows, and beat anybody who didn't express full support for them.
Sometimes, they would put their kidnapped victims in sacks, and dumped them alive, at night on major roads. This was filmed around three weeks ago on 6th of October Bridge, one of the major bridges inside Cairo:
(video @ link)
Much, much more here:
Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution
Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:46 am
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31041&start=1755