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presence
08-18-2013, 06:07 PM
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Over at The Kernel (http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/4443/are-you-recording-officer/), staff writer Greg Stevens wonders whether police departments around the world should outfit their officers with Google Glass. There’s some logic behind the idea. A cop with wearable electronics constantly streaming audio and video back to a supervisor (or even a Website) would be less likely, at least in theory, to take liberties with civilians’ civil liberties. “A recent year-long study (http://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force) has shown that when police officers are required to wear cameras, they are less likely to behave badly,” Stevens wrote in his piece. “Shifts without cameras experienced twice as many incidents of use of force as shifts with cameras.”

Even in its most basic form—no fancy infrared add-ons or anything like that—Google Glass would make the ultimate cop-monitoring tool: the “stock” models are capable of streaming video and audio to a Google Hangout, which means a supervisor could sit in front of a monitor and watch several officers’ streams in real time. It’s also open to modification, meaning that a third-party developer could build apps for facial recognition, sound triangulation, or crime-scene navigation (the facial-recognition part is already in development (http://rt.com/usa/google-glass-facial-recognition-hack-285/)). And if Google eventually decides to retail the device for a couple hundred dollars, it’s also affordable to most police departments, especially those with budgets fattened by civil forfeiture (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=1).

As Stevens suggests, the issue isn’t necessarily whether police and other authorities should wear electronics that monitor their activities—for starters, it’s who ends up watching those activities at the other end of the connection.

Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy and Technology Project, wrote in a recent blog posting (http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty-free-speech/nsa-license-plate-readers-are-we-have) that society needs to make choices “about the extent to which we want to allow the government to store up that data so that it has the power to hit ‘rewind’ on everybody’s lives.” In the view of that organization, “that’s just too much power.”

But existing laws could also prevent Google Glass from kicking off some kind of Orwellian free-for-all. Under the Wiretap Act, intercepting audio signals is strictly controlled by state and federal statute, and generally requires a judge to sign off on a specific monitoring action. Federal law only requires that one party consent to taping, while some states require the consent of all parties involved in the conversation. That’s the crucial first issue when dealing with the Act; the second is whether the conversation under potential surveillance is being conducted in a place where a party has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

“If the officer is recording a communication he has in public with someone, there’s probably no wiretap problem since there’s at least the consent of one party and no expectation of privacy,” Hanni M. Fakhoury, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, wrote in an email. “But if he’s recording peripheral communications between two separate individuals, than there’s potential wiretap liability depending on the circumstances.”

The government has traditionally argued that people “don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the movements and activities they do in public,” Fakhoury added, particularly with regard to video surveillance. The Electronic Frontier Foundation’s position is that, if a technology is used to aggregate information on an individual, it falls under the auspices of the Fourth Amendment.

In other words, officers wearing Google Glass during an arrest or search could spark a thorny legal battle, depending on the circumstances. Which brings up another issue: if streaming data from an officer’s Google Glass is routed through Google’s servers on its way to a supervisor’s monitor, would that somehow “taint” or weaken the stream’s use as evidence? Could a defense attorney stand before a jury and argue that, because the data existed on a set of private servers for however long, it could have been corrupted or compromised in some way?

“I don’t think who stores the data necessarily triggers Fourth Amendment scrutiny provided its the police who collect the data (even if that ‘collection’ is almost instantaneous with storage of that data),” Fakhoury wrote. “If Google for example accessed that data and then used it to send targeted ads or something, that may trigger some statutory (as opposed to Fourth Amendment) protection but I’m honestly not entirely sure.”

If law enforcement agencies around the world decide that wearable electronics is the best possible recourse for officers, the circumstances over how the technology is used will probably be determined in the same way as so many other things: by lots and lots and lots of lawsuits and court actions, probably stemming from a handful of real-world incidents. Nobody ever said the march of progress didn’t go through a whole lot of mud.



http://slashdot.org/topic/bi/should-cops-wear-google-glass/

eduardo89
08-18-2013, 06:20 PM
How abolish cops?

green73
08-18-2013, 06:22 PM
How abolish cops?

Question good.

thoughtomator
08-18-2013, 06:27 PM
At this point in time there's no reason not to record every official act of government, police included, in full. If you're on the public's dime, you're accountable to the public.

Penalty for failing to record an official act should be mandatory minimum of 10 years per missed recording.

That would do wonders to eliminate corruption and restore badly needed accountability.

mrsat_98
08-19-2013, 05:50 AM
How abolish cops?


At this point in time there's no reason not to record every official act of government, police included, in full. If you're on the public's dime, you're accountable to the public.

Penalty for failing to record an official act should be mandatory minimum of 10 years per missed recording.

That would do wonders to eliminate corruption and restore badly needed accountability.

Since I can't be compelled to give evidence that can be used against me either he can't approach me with it on or I am free to leave upon his arrival.

tod evans
08-19-2013, 05:59 AM
At this point in time there's no reason not to record every official act of government, police included, in full. If you're on the public's dime, you're accountable to the public.

Penalty for failing to record an official act should be mandatory minimum of 10 years per missed recording.

That would do wonders to eliminate corruption and restore badly needed accountability.


This will be fought tooth-n-nail...

Eye tracking software documenting steroid riddled youngster cops ogling teenagers...

Facial muscle recognition software documenting blatant hostility toward citizens of another race.

Not to mention all the overtly illegal shit cops do every day...


[edit]

Hell yes every public employee especially federal ones should be monitored while on the tax payer dime, prosecutors and judges should have live streaming with public access!

Kelly.
08-19-2013, 10:28 AM
imo, this is only a good idea if the public has access to the real time footage.
police seem to have a knack for losing incriminating video evidence, either from their cameras, or those they confiscate.

personally, i would prefer the citizen have the camera/footage.
wearable camera will become a lot more common in the future imo.
http://gopro.com/camera-mounts/chest-mount-harness

DamianTV
08-19-2013, 04:19 PM
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/08/18/176205/should-cops-wear-google-glass


"Over at The Kernel, staff writer Greg Stevens wonders whether police departments around the world should outfit their officers with Google Glass. There's some logic behind the idea. A cop with wearable electronics constantly streaming audio and video back to a supervisor (or even a Website) would be less likely, at least in theory, to take liberties with civilians' civil liberties. But not everybody thinks it's such a good idea. Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project, wrote in a recent blog posting that society needs to make choices 'about the extent to which we want to allow the government to store up that data so that it has the power to hit 'rewind' on everybody's lives.' In the view of that organization, 'that's just too much power.' That being said, law enforcement wearing electronics that streams constant video and audio data would still be subject to the law. 'If the officer is recording a communication he has in public with someone, there's probably no wiretap problem since there's at least the consent of one party and no expectation of privacy,' Hanni M. Fakhoury, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, wrote in an email to Slashdot. 'But if he's recording peripheral communications between two separate individuals, than there's potential wiretap liability depending on the circumstances.' What do you think? Are cops wearing Google Glass (or similar wearable electronic) a good idea?"


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KEEF
08-19-2013, 04:29 PM
Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project, wrote in a recent blog posting that society needs to make choices 'about the extent to which we want to allow the government to store up that data so that it has the power to hit 'rewind' on everybody's lives.'

Sounds like the same argument for the fireman helmet cam with the girl that got ran over in that plane crash. Kinda ridiculous argument... we want to record everyone to keep you safe, but then play the citizen privacy card when it involves authoritative figures being recorded.

Hell, I would go a step further and lets push CSPAN to go one further and have Senate and Rep desk cams for their office and floor desk so to show us if they are present or not, what lobbyist are they meeting with, and if they are in fact voting or if their neighbor is sneaking by and pushing their vote button (I saw a video of this happening at the State level). For obvious reasons, make it so that we cannot see the content on their desks (i.e. classified documents, etc.)

freejack
08-19-2013, 06:47 PM
They won't need to. They'll just confiscate yours and use it against you.

DamianTV
08-19-2013, 06:55 PM
They will claim that having the ability to identify EVERY person within a Cops field of view is there "for your protection". It is no different than getting told to display ID to every cop that a person encounters. THink of how much this will benefit the Prison Industrial Complex...

aGameOfThrones
08-19-2013, 07:03 PM
This is a great idea, but only if they are not held accountable for any illegal action on their part.

tod evans
08-19-2013, 07:22 PM
From the other thread;


This will be fought tooth-n-nail...

Eye tracking software documenting steroid riddled youngster cops ogling teenagers...

Facial muscle recognition software documenting blatant hostility toward citizens of another race.

Not to mention all the overtly illegal shit cops do every day...


[edit]

Hell yes every public employee especially federal ones should be monitored while on the tax payer dime, prosecutors and judges should have live streaming with public access!

AFPVet
08-19-2013, 07:22 PM
Absolutely! All public officers are immune from privacy when performing their official duties. There should be no reason why they can't be recorded in the performance of their official capacities.

aGameOfThrones
08-19-2013, 07:34 PM
Absolutely! All public officers are immune from privacy when performing their official duties. There should be no reason why they can't be recorded in the performance of their official capacities.

What about the officer's safety? Don't they have enough stress already?

Kelly.
08-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Sounds like the same argument for the fireman helmet cam with the girl that got ran over in that plane crash. Kinda ridiculous argument... we want to record everyone to keep you safe, but then play the citizen privacy card when it involves authoritative figures being recorded.

Hell, I would go a step further and lets push CSPAN to go one further and have Senate and Rep desk cams for their office and floor desk so to show us if they are present or not, what lobbyist are they meeting with, and if they are in fact voting or if their neighbor is sneaking by and pushing their vote button (I saw a video of this happening at the State level). For obvious reasons, make it so that we cannot see the content on their desks (i.e. classified documents, etc.)
THIS!
i advocate that each rep get a personal cameraperson to follow them around 24/7 to get a feel for what they are doing for the people they represent. store it on a server to be recalled until the person is no longer in office. there should be ZERO privacy for public officials.

Kelly.
08-20-2013, 10:07 AM
They will claim that having the ability to identify EVERY person within a Cops field of view is there "for your protection". It is no different than getting told to display ID to every cop that a person encounters. THink of how much this will benefit the Prison Industrial Complex...
dont worry, itll be automated via facial recognition running on google glass

devil21
08-20-2013, 03:39 PM
Isn't a single pair like $400? That's gonna get mighty expensive. Initially outfitting NYPD's uniformed officers alone would cost $14,000,000. Never mind replacement costs from damaged, lost, stolen, etc.

ZENemy
08-20-2013, 03:51 PM
Isn't a single pair like $400? That's gonna get mighty expensive. Initially outfitting NYPD's uniformed officers alone would cost $14,000,000. Never mind replacement costs from damaged, lost, stolen, etc.

Yeah well if money was a concern they wouldn't be buying bearcats.

Kregisen
08-20-2013, 03:53 PM
Isn't a single pair like $400? That's gonna get mighty expensive. Initially outfitting NYPD's uniformed officers alone would cost $14,000,000. Never mind replacement costs from damaged, lost, stolen, etc.

And every single murder of a citizen that cameras will stop will save $5,000,000 in court and legal costs alone. Savings over 2 years will already outweigh $14m in NYC.

DamianTV
08-20-2013, 04:11 PM
San Francisco Fire Chief Bans Helmet-Mounted Cameras For Firefighters
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/20/1918231/san-francisco-fire-chief-bans-helmet-mounted-cameras-for-firefighters


"San Francisco's fire chief has explicitly banned firefighters from using helmet-mounted video cameras after images from a battalion chief's Asiana Airlines crash recording became public and led to questions about first responders' actions leading up to a fire rig running over a survivor. ... Filming the scene may have violated both firefighters' and victims' privacy, Hayes-White said, trumping whatever benefit came from knowing what the footage shows. 'There comes a time that privacy of the individual is paramount, of greater importance than having a video,' Hayes-White said. Critics, including some within the department, questioned the chief's order and its timing — coming as Johnson's footage raised the possibility of Fire Department liability in the death of 16-year-old Ye Meng Yuan. .. [Battalion Chief Kevin Smith, president of the employee group that includes Johnson, said,] 'The department seems more concerned with exposure and liability than training and improving efficiency. Helmet cams are the wave of the future - they can be used to improve communication at incidents between firefighters and commanders.'"

devil21
08-20-2013, 05:12 PM
And every single murder of a citizen that cameras will stop will save $5,000,000 in court and legal costs alone. Savings over 2 years will already outweigh $14m in NYC.

I see your point but the opposite could just as easily be true. With these glasses, every police misdeed will be caught on camera, possibly leading to large increases in lawsuits due to availability of evidence. Will these glasses limit police brutality and misconduct? I'm not so sure.



Yeah well if money was a concern they wouldn't be buying bearcats.

Most bearcats are "free" through DHS grants but I have no doubt they aren't concerned about the cost. Any fiscal conservative should be concerned though.

tod evans
08-20-2013, 05:17 PM
Money much better spent on video than Kevlar and HK's...

bolil
08-20-2013, 05:19 PM
Question good.

answer complicated.

Warrior_of_Freedom
08-20-2013, 05:22 PM
They will claim that having the ability to identify EVERY person within a Cops field of view is there "for your protection". It is no different than getting told to display ID to every cop that a person encounters. THink of how much this will benefit the Prison Industrial Complex...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD8aZV-Y8bE
To add context, in the movie he's called "unscannable" because he doesn't have a barcode on his wrist.

DamianTV
08-20-2013, 05:38 PM
dont worry, itll be automated via facial recognition running on google glass

Yeah, thats what worries me.

kcchiefs6465
08-20-2013, 05:55 PM
dont worry, itll be automated via facial recognition running on google glass
Good point.

A regular camera with no facial recognition software and an audio recorder would suffice.

If either are tampered with automatic prison time dependent on what evidence might have been erased.

Christian Liberty
08-20-2013, 10:26 PM
Won't this just make things even more Orwellian?

What we need are laws that make any violation of the law (ANY law, if you can't live with this for a given law, repeal the law in question) in uniform punishable by death.

Can you imagine how many laws would inevitably be repealed just because of that one law?

Kelly.
08-22-2013, 11:15 AM
dont worry, itll be automated via facial recognition running on google glass

some of this stuff just writes itself...
ever hear of BOSS? me neither until this morning. BOSS is a facial recognition system DHS is developing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-22/meet-boss-department-homeland-securitys-facial-scanning-program