Joe Scarborough attacks Ron Paul, praises "extraordinarily conservative" Chris Christie

[ObiRandKenobi]

what a dick


The official spokesman for the GOP Surrender Caucus gives his objective analysis of the GOP field...

"The only problem with what Ron Paul said about Chris Christie...just isn't true..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtH8-L074BU


h/t MP (http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/08/16/bwahahahaha-joe-scarborough-attacks-rand-paul-praises-extraordinarily-conservative-chris-christie/)

[JK/SEA]

and in other news, Ron Paul says breathing oxygen sustains life, and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough says that ''this isn't true''.

[Kotin]

MSNBC whore calls Chris Christie conservative.. Lol really doesn't help him.

And while I'm on the subject, fuck Joe Scarborough. Biggest sellout piece of shit around.

[AuH20]

Joe Scarborough. This isn't the same guy who served in the U.S. Congress. Wow!

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

MSNBC whore calls Chris Christie conservative.. Lol really doesn't help him.

And while I'm on the subject, fuck Joe Scarborough. Biggest sellout piece of shit around.



Oh, come on!!! He must at least tie with 100 other establishment mouthpieces.

[Kotin]

Oh, come on!!! He must at least tie with 100 other establishment mouthpieces.

right but remember this is a guy who has claimed to have "worked with ron" in congress etc etc blah blah blah and now he is doing this kind of shit..

[TaftFan]

right but remember this is a guy who has claimed to have "worked with ron" in congress etc etc blah blah blah and now he is doing this kind of shit..

He was actually very good in Congress.

[JK/SEA]

He was actually very good in Congress.

selling your integrity is easy for Joe.

[compromise]

Didn't Ron say he was friends with Scarborough in an interview earlier? Seems unusual for Joe to attack him.

[dillo]

A republican is going to win in 2016, MSNBC needs to push the progressive candidate possible. Chris Christie is about as conservative as Teddy Rosevelt

[Brian4Liberty]

Seriously Joe? Hypocrisy much?

The irony is thick. A broadcaster on MSNBC, accusing Ron Paul of being biased on his personal channel that has a very obvious and well-stated political agenda (the liberty movement).

[jkob]

Scarborough is a shill and I do not care what he says or thinks

[Christian Liberty]

Calling Christie "Very Conservative" is like Calling Stalin "Very Capitalist."

[Peace Piper]

Hey Joe, what happened to Lori Klausutis?

A Death in the Congressman's Office



"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life...

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain!

- Were the toxicology studies entirely negative? Was there evidence of any legal or illegal substance in the blood stream which could have caused her to lose consciousness?

- Was she pregnant? If so, were fetal blood specimens obtained to determine paternity?

These are the questions being asked by some in the medical community of Dr. Stephen Nelson and Dr. Michael Berkland, and they continue to go unanswered.

Why is there a complete media blackout on this story? Why the complete preoccupation with the similar but largely speculative Condit/Levy story? What does this say about the state of our press? What does corporate ownership of the press do to what gets to be news? How much of what we think we know as fact is actually based on selective and distorted reporting? How does that "fair and balanced" cable network explain the complete hypocrisy and contempt for truth in their handling of these two similar tales? Will we ever know the truth of how Lori Klausutis died?

Three Pivotal Questions by the Editors


1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


Joe should be confronted with this every time he shows his mug outside of his compound

[ctiger2]

The saving grace is only .001% of Americans watch the Morning Schmoe or even know who he is.

In other words, Who Cares What The Morning Schmoe has to say.

[specsaregood]

selling your integrity is easy for Joe.

If anybody knows how easy it is for the govt to blackmail you when they have your secret communications, its joe.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Hey Joe, what happened to Lori Klausutis?

A Death in the Congressman's Office



"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life...

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain!

- Were the toxicology studies entirely negative? Was there evidence of any legal or illegal substance in the blood stream which could have caused her to lose consciousness?

- Was she pregnant? If so, were fetal blood specimens obtained to determine paternity?

These are the questions being asked by some in the medical community of Dr. Stephen Nelson and Dr. Michael Berkland, and they continue to go unanswered.

Why is there a complete media blackout on this story? Why the complete preoccupation with the similar but largely speculative Condit/Levy story? What does this say about the state of our press? What does corporate ownership of the press do to what gets to be news? How much of what we think we know as fact is actually based on selective and distorted reporting? How does that "fair and balanced" cable network explain the complete hypocrisy and contempt for truth in their handling of these two similar tales? Will we ever know the truth of how Lori Klausutis died?

Three Pivotal Questions by the Editors


1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


Joe should be confronted with this every time he shows his mug outside of his compound

Ed Rendell gave a subtle jab alluding to this the other day, he said 19 of the Republicans who voted for Clinton's impeachment have had marital fidelity issues. Joe was pretty quiet after that.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Christie compromises all the time. GUN CONTROL/MINIMUM WAGE/ etc.

--NJ resident

[donnay]

Hey Joe, what happened to Lori Klausutis?

A Death in the Congressman's Office



"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life...

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain!

- Were the toxicology studies entirely negative? Was there evidence of any legal or illegal substance in the blood stream which could have caused her to lose consciousness?

- Was she pregnant? If so, were fetal blood specimens obtained to determine paternity?

These are the questions being asked by some in the medical community of Dr. Stephen Nelson and Dr. Michael Berkland, and they continue to go unanswered.

Why is there a complete media blackout on this story? Why the complete preoccupation with the similar but largely speculative Condit/Levy story? What does this say about the state of our press? What does corporate ownership of the press do to what gets to be news? How much of what we think we know as fact is actually based on selective and distorted reporting? How does that "fair and balanced" cable network explain the complete hypocrisy and contempt for truth in their handling of these two similar tales? Will we ever know the truth of how Lori Klausutis died?

Three Pivotal Questions by the Editors


1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


Joe should be confronted with this every time he shows his mug outside of his compound



+rep Laurie Klausutis--unsolved murder.

Most of them are pond scum.

[puppetmaster]

Hey Joe, what happened to Lori Klausutis?

A Death in the Congressman's Office



"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life...

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain!

- Were the toxicology studies entirely negative? Was there evidence of any legal or illegal substance in the blood stream which could have caused her to lose consciousness?

- Was she pregnant? If so, were fetal blood specimens obtained to determine paternity?

These are the questions being asked by some in the medical community of Dr. Stephen Nelson and Dr. Michael Berkland, and they continue to go unanswered.

Why is there a complete media blackout on this story? Why the complete preoccupation with the similar but largely speculative Condit/Levy story? What does this say about the state of our press? What does corporate ownership of the press do to what gets to be news? How much of what we think we know as fact is actually based on selective and distorted reporting? How does that "fair and balanced" cable network explain the complete hypocrisy and contempt for truth in their handling of these two similar tales? Will we ever know the truth of how Lori Klausutis died?

Three Pivotal Questions by the Editors


1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


Joe should be confronted with this every time he shows his mug outside of his compound sounds like something to hold on too. Helps maintain loyalty to the man. More CIA stools

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Scarborough has no credibility. He supported Huntsman in 2011/2012, the worst candidate running, a man who made Romney look like a true conservative. Furthermore, he jumped on the gun control bandwagon after Sandy Hook:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA_0-ZltUL0

Christie is another gun control pusher, so it's no surprise Scarborough would forget about that/not care.

[bolil]

Hey Joe, what happened to Lori Klausutis?

A Death in the Congressman's Office



"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life...

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain!

- Were the toxicology studies entirely negative? Was there evidence of any legal or illegal substance in the blood stream which could have caused her to lose consciousness?

- Was she pregnant? If so, were fetal blood specimens obtained to determine paternity?

These are the questions being asked by some in the medical community of Dr. Stephen Nelson and Dr. Michael Berkland, and they continue to go unanswered.

Why is there a complete media blackout on this story? Why the complete preoccupation with the similar but largely speculative Condit/Levy story? What does this say about the state of our press? What does corporate ownership of the press do to what gets to be news? How much of what we think we know as fact is actually based on selective and distorted reporting? How does that "fair and balanced" cable network explain the complete hypocrisy and contempt for truth in their handling of these two similar tales? Will we ever know the truth of how Lori Klausutis died?

Three Pivotal Questions by the Editors


1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


Joe should be confronted with this every time he shows his mug outside of his compound

The fork, at this point, is a three pronged spear of Joe fuck yo self. Bravo.

[speciallyblend]

A republican is going to win in 2016, MSNBC needs to push the progressive candidate possible. Chris Christie is about as conservative as Teddy Rosevelt

not true, they do not have the election in the bag. They have to come out against the drug war and for legal marijuana medical and personal or they will not win thestate of colorado. They cannot pander to pro drug war folks like they have unless they want to get crushed in the swing state of colorado. mark my words, the only chance they have is rand paul to win but if rand keeps up his fence sitting on the drug war. Then they will lose colorado which has had a majority voter block for personal and medical marijuana. ignore this voter block and you can lose colorado outright before it begins.

the view of the gop by voters is the gop is pro drug war. even if the dems are not far from the failed gop on this. The perception is the gop is pro drug war and the gop can thank themselves. doesn't help when rand says he supports state rights over individual rights. You can look at past voter records and totals on this over the last 10-20 years..

The gop could lose 3 elections easily

[ObiRandKenobi]

Hey Joe, what happened to Lori Klausutis?

A Death in the Congressman's Office


"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life...

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain!

- Were the toxicology studies entirely negative? Was there evidence of any legal or illegal substance in the blood stream which could have caused her to lose consciousness?

- Was she pregnant? If so, were fetal blood specimens obtained to determine paternity?

These are the questions being asked by some in the medical community of Dr. Stephen Nelson and Dr. Michael Berkland, and they continue to go unanswered.

Why is there a complete media blackout on this story? Why the complete preoccupation with the similar but largely speculative Condit/Levy story? What does this say about the state of our press? What does corporate ownership of the press do to what gets to be news? How much of what we think we know as fact is actually based on selective and distorted reporting? How does that "fair and balanced" cable network explain the complete hypocrisy and contempt for truth in their handling of these two similar tales? Will we ever know the truth of how Lori Klausutis died?

Three Pivotal Questions by the Editors

1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


Joe should be confronted with this every time he shows his mug outside of his compound

thanks.

[sylcfh]

No one like Scarborough anyway. Even Tucker Carlson is more relevant.

[Christian Liberty]

Scarborough has no credibility. He supported Huntsman in 2011/2012, the worst candidate running, a man who made Romney look like a true conservative. Furthermore, he jumped on the gun control bandwagon after Sandy Hook:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA_0-ZltUL0

Christie is another gun control pusher, so it's no surprise Scarborough would forget about that/not care.

I'm no Huntsman fan, but I'm pretty sure he was better economically AND on foreign policy than Mittens when it came to actual substance, he was just relatively tame in his rhetoric IIRC.

Although: Maybe I'm missing something.

[Occam's Banana]

No one like Scarborough anyway. Even Tucker Carlson is more relevant.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85eale8JV1rqfhi2o1_400.gif

[anaconda]

Joe Scarborough. This isn't the same guy who served in the U.S. Congress. Wow!

I finally wrote off Scarborough completely when he said Rand Paul was not qualified to be President recently.

[Sola_Fide]

Spineless.

[anaconda]

Scarborough lambasted Mittens for not being a conservative nominee. How is Christie any better?

[dillo]

not true, they do not have the election in the bag. They have to come out against the drug war and for legal marijuana medical and personal or they will not win thestate of colorado. They cannot pander to pro drug war folks like they have unless they want to get crushed in the swing state of colorado. mark my words, the only chance they have is rand paul to win but if rand keeps up his fence sitting on the drug war. Then they will lose colorado which has had a majority voter block for personal and medical marijuana. ignore this voter block and you can lose colorado outright before it begins.

the view of the gop by voters is the gop is pro drug war. even if the dems are not far from the failed gop on this. The perception is the gop is pro drug war and the gop can thank themselves. doesn't help when rand says he supports state rights over individual rights. You can look at past voter records and totals on this over the last 10-20 years..

The gop could lose 3 elections easily


I disagree because I dont see independents coming out in droves for Hilary, like they did for Obama. I think even someone shitty like Romney could beat Hilary, indies are that sick of liberals. While republicans certainly are repugnant on a lot of issues, I think they are less hated by the indies than the dems right now