Hannah Anderson: Victim or involved in some way?

[Contumacious]

Hannah Anderson: Victim or involved in some way?

http://highlighthollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/hannah-anderson-photos-5.jpg

Strange: James DiMaggio exchanged 13 phone calls with Hannah Anderson the day of her abduction. (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hannah-anderson-search-warrant-dimaggio-20130814,0,2607420.story)

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[Contumacious]

Hannah seemed to be spending a lot of time with Dimaggio, for a guy who supposedly creeped her out, such as in this pic, taken only a short time before these events occurred:

http://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-dimaggio1.jpg?w=632

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[Contumacious]

The Idaho kidnapping case (http://www.examiner.com/article/idaho-kidnapping-ends-when-horseback-riders-meet-hannah-anderson-james-dimaggio)came to an end after four horseback riders met Hannah Anderson and James DiMaggio on Wednesday and Hannah Anderson said, “It looks like we’re all in trouble now.”

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8576&stc=1&d=1376266123

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[Contumacious]

Hannah Anderson sent James Lee DiMaggio letters, warrants reveal (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57598826/hannah-anderson-sent-james-lee-dimaggio-letters-warrants-reveal/)

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[Anti Federalist]

I'm not jip to this shit at all...what's the duck face signing here?


The Idaho kidnapping case (http://www.examiner.com/article/idaho-kidnapping-ends-when-horseback-riders-meet-hannah-anderson-james-dimaggio)came to an end after four horseback riders met Hannah Anderson and James DiMaggio on Wednesday and Hannah Anderson said, “It looks like we’re all in trouble now.”

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8576&stc=1&d=1376266123

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[Anti Federalist]

At a news conference on Monday, Sheriff Bill Gore stated that the girl played no part in the slayings and six-day search that captivated the nation. Hannah did not even learn the fate of her mother and brother until FBI agents gunned down DiMaggio at his campsite in the Idaho wilderness and whisked her to safety, authorities said.

Where is it saying in any of these stories that she might have had something to do with it?

[Anti Federalist]

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore has been adamant that Hannah was an unwilling victim from start to finish. "I can't make it any clearer," he said at a news conference Monday.

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[JK/SEA]

i think Hannah is Dimaggio's daughter. To my eye, she has some of his features.

just my humble opinion.

[Contumacious]

Where is it saying in any of these stories that she might have had something to do with it?

Hannah Anderson sent James Lee DiMaggio letters, warrants reveal (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57598826/hannah-anderson-sent-james-lee-dimaggio-letters-warrants-reveal/)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1428600.1376653215!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/aptopix-burned-bodies-kidnapped-girl.jpg

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[pcosmar]

Where is it saying in any of these stories that she might have had something to do with it?

None that I know of.. But there is no evidence that she was "abducted" either.

And reading the little reported about the scene and possible torture.. I question whether he did it as well,
it is possible that he was running from whoever did. And possibly protecting her..

I had wondered (due to lack of info) if she had been somehow involved.. but it seems she was elsewhere.

Unfortunately,,his story and reasons died with him.

[Acala]

One of several really excellent books my son has suggested to me was Lolita by Nabakov. It is a masterpiece. Sadly, it is known mostly as a cultural cliche.

[Contumacious]

None that I know of.. But there is no evidence that she was "abducted" either.

And reading the little reported about the scene and possible torture.. I question whether he did it as well,
it is possible that he was running from whoever did. And possibly protecting her..
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An investigator alleged in a search warrant that DiMaggio tortured her mother and brother (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hannah-andersons-mother-brother-were-tortured-warrants-say-20130814,0,5953520.story)
This occurred before the 16-year-old San Diego County teen was abducted from cheerleading practice, according to search warrants.


WHY would he torture her mother and brother then abduct from cheer-leading practice?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[pcosmar]

WHY would he torture her mother and brother then abduct from cheer-leading practice?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Not sure it makes any sense.. Why would he kill with a crowbar and shoot his own dog?

Why would he flee north when he was near the Mexican border?


DiMaggio was shot at least five times in the head and chest, according to the Valley County, Idaho, coroner, who was unable to determine a precise number of gunshot wounds. His body was cremated Tuesday near Los Angeles.

There are a few things that make no sense.

Dead men have no defense.

[Contumacious]

DiMaggio was shot at least five times in the head and chest, according to the Valley County, Idaho, coroner, who was unable to determine a precise number of gunshot wounds. His body was cremated Tuesday near Los Angeles.
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Even though were are being led to believe that DiMaggio was a cold blooded murderer who fired at the FBI agents the Idaho riders (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/11/19973627-horseback-riders-who-found-hannah-say-it-was-one-chance-in-a-trillion?lite) said that:

" Hannah did not give them any signal she needed help and they thought DiMaggio might be her father. Despite the red flags, they didn't detect any danger or see any weapons.

All four were carrying guns."

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[Anti Federalist]

OK, I see what you are getting at...hmmmm...

Yeah, something may be fishy here.

[pcosmar]

OK, I see what you are getting at...hmmmm...

Yeah, something may be fishy here.

I find several things curious about this story. I have no theory,, only questions.
But I can easily think of alternate scenarios that fit what is "known".

And what the hell is an "arson wire".. it is mentioned as an item found in the search,, but I can find no reference to such,, anywhere.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I wouldn't be surprised if she was 'Poison Ivy'.

It's funny how reactionary the Sheriff is though...as if a teenage girl is incapable of guile and murder.

[Anti Federalist]

Hannah seemed to be spending a lot of time with Dimaggio, for a guy who supposedly creeped her out, such as in this pic, taken only a short time before these events occurred:

http://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-dimaggio1.jpg?w=632

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That's not DiMaggio.

http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-130814-dimaggio-anderson-10p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg

[pcosmar]

That's not DiMaggio.



Well then,, that is another puzzle.
http://media.thedenverchannel.com/photo/2013/08/09/missingmangirl_1376085311467_698765_ver1.0_320_240 .jpg

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/3e/9a/3e9a8b202074e663fd4288f25aafc796.jpg?itok=0HcCNI6h

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ABC_hannah_anderson_James_Lee_DiMaggio_thg-130808_16x9_992.jpg

That other pic does not look like him.

[JK/SEA]

didn't they find a DNA test kit somewhere?

[Anti Federalist]

Is it just the internets getting it wrong, a picture of DiMaggio as a young man, or my perception?

'Cos this guy, is not...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/world/cms/binary/8783542.jpg?size=620x400s

This guy...

http://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-dimaggio1.jpg?w=632

[fr33]

It's bizarre that she would get on social media immediately afterwards posting selfies and answering questions. But then again I don't understand the mindset of a teenage girl.

[Carson]

"Hannah Anderson: Victim or involved in some way?"

I'm not sure the question is really fair or relevant. She's a minor and deserves some respect and a lot of leeway.

[pcosmar]

"Hannah Anderson: Victim or involved in some way?"

I'm not sure the question is really fair or relevant. She's a minor and deserves some respect and a lot of leeway.

Fair enough.. It was not my question.
Mine have to do with the assumed guilt of a dead guy that can not defend himself against accusations.

It is assumed that he tortured and murdered a long time friends and her son and shot his own dog before burning his house down.

And 4 people (armed citizens) got close and talked to him shortly before his death.
Yet police had to blow him away instead of arresting him.

Now,, what if he did not kill the woman and child? and did not shoot his dog? or set his home on fire?

What if he was running from those that did? What if he thought he was protecting the girl?

[Feeding the Abscess]

That's not DiMaggio.

http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-130814-dimaggio-anderson-10p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg

Looks to me like he lost 40 or so pounds in a 10 year period. Looks like the same guy to me. Here's Matt Harvey last season, with a Leprechaun beard:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0822/ny_u_harvey_b1_576.jpg

And this year, sans Leprechaun beard:

http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/d21/unsecured/media/315980433/315980433_2275486204001_video-still-for-video-2275537102001.jpg?pubId=315980433

For a bonus, here's Harvey sans hat:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1399728.1373972433!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-harvey3-0716.jpg

[donnay]

Is it just the internets getting it wrong, a picture of DiMaggio as a young man, or my perception?

'Cos this guy, is not...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/world/cms/binary/8783542.jpg?size=620x400s



Looks like Mancow Muller. :eek:

http://www.therichest.com/cdn/300/300/75/t/wp-content/uploads/Mancow-Muller.jpg

[pcosmar]

It may have been an old picture.
It was certainly not current nor helpful for identification.

What bothered me right off was the assumption of guilt and accusations without any investigation whatsoever.
And search warrants issued after his death.

And the reported "evidence found" in the search..
I mean,,who doesn't have duct tape,, or a gas can?

And what the hell is an "arson wire"?

[Anti Federalist]

And what the hell is an "arson wire"?

Det cord?

I dunno either.

The pictures could be of the same man, years apart, I suppose.

I thought this was strange when it happened.

[J_White]

Dexter season 7, anyone ?
there was a Hannah in there too - abducted by a killer and taken on a spree !!

but things here sound not so simple and clear.
why is it so difficult to get the facts these days, and why shoot the guy and cremate him so quickly, when the coroner can't even get the number of gunshot wounds right ?

if he was running from someone, while "protecting" the girl - from whom and why ?

[Anti Federalist]

Dexter season 7, anyone ?
there was a Hannah in there too - abducted by a killer and taken on a spree !!

but things here sound not so simple and clear.
why is it so difficult to get the facts these days, and why shoot the guy and cremate him so quickly, when the coroner can't even get the number of gunshot wounds right ?

if he was running from someone, while "protecting" the girl - from whom and why ?

I was wondering about that as well.

And these days, there is no telling.

Would be interesting to see who the father works for.

[KurtBoyer25L]

It's bizarre that she would get on social media immediately afterwards posting selfies and answering questions. But then again I don't understand the mindset of a teenage girl.

People are all individuals. The stereotyping of teenagers (and women) goes way too far. We acknowledge that some teenage boys are chill/smart/tuned in and some are punks and some are crazy. It's the same way with young women, said captain obvious. As for this young lassie we'll probably never know until if and when she cashes in on the real story.

[fr33]

People are all individuals. The stereotyping of teenagers (and women) goes way too far. We acknowledge that some teenage boys are chill/smart/tuned in and some are punks and some are crazy. It's the same way with young women, said captain obvious. As for this young lassie we'll probably never know until if and when she cashes in on the real story.

:rolleyes: Ok. I'll try to be more specific. Correction: I don't understand the mindset of teenage girls that post selfies and answer questions on social networks right after she is rescued from the kidnapper who murdered most of her family anymore than I understand the other teenage girls that post selfies and vomit their life up on social networks. As for the teenage girls that don't do those things, I probably don't relate to them either.

Specific enough for you?

[Scrapmo]

Your not alone fr33. Having never been a teenage girl myself, I fail to understand them. Im ok with making that generalization.

[KurtBoyer25L]

Your not alone fr33. Having never been a teenage girl myself, I fail to understand them. Im ok with making that generalization.

Having never been a black man myself, I completely fail to relate to them in any way. My race just thinks differently than their race does. <--- same coin, different side

[KurtBoyer25L]

:rolleyes: Ok. I'll try to be more specific. Correction: I don't understand the mindset of teenage girls that post selfies and answer questions on social networks right after she is rescued from the kidnapper who murdered most of her family anymore than I understand the other teenage girls that post selfies and vomit their life up on social networks. As for the teenage girls that don't do those things, I probably don't relate to them either.

Specific enough for you?

An eyeroll is not an argument. Neither is missing the forest for the trees. Why see the person as a teenage girl? She is an individual, with a name, and she's responsible for her own choices. The teenagers I know in both genders are all so different that you could never really tell anything about any of them in this way, all you accomplish is stereotyping.

In the words of Rupert Sheldrake, there's a word for that, it's called prejudice.

[fr33]

Having never been a black man myself, I completely fail to relate to them in any way. My race just thinks differently than their race does. <--- same coin, different sideExcept gender is different than "race". I have never been a female and cannot relate. Gender is a real thing. Race is a myth. There is only one human race.

[fr33]

An eyeroll is not an argument. Neither is missing the forest for the trees. Why see the person as a teenage girl? She is an individual, with a name, and she's responsible for her own choices. The teenagers I know in both genders are all so different that you could never really tell anything about any of them in this way, all you accomplish is stereotyping.

In the words of Rupert Sheldrake, there's a word for that, it's called prejudice.

The only thing easier than making a generalization is to attack every generalization made since there is always a minority that makes an exception to the rule.

[KurtBoyer25L]

Except gender is different than "race". I have never been a female and cannot relate. Gender is a real thing. Race is a myth. There is only one human race.

Salient points. However, you assume that the two genders of that one race cannot relate to each other. In reality we have a lot in common. You may not be able to personally relate to *everything* women experience, but that doesn't mean you could never understand the motives of an individual woman. Even a teenager. I think the age bias inherent in what people say in these situations bothers me more than the gender stereotyping. Everybody's a "__ year old ____" which drives the entire conversation. Horses in handicap races can be labeled fairly in this way, but not people.

[KurtBoyer25L]

The only thing easier than making a generalization is to attack every generalization made since there is always a minority that makes an exception to the rule.

Who decides there is a "rule" for xyz gender/age group that means one can't understand them unless you're in the group?

[fr33]

Salient points. However, you assume that the two genders of that one race cannot relate to each other. In reality we have a lot in common. You may not be able to personally relate to *everything* women experience, but that doesn't mean you could never understand the motives of an individual woman. Even a teenager. I think the age bias inherent in what people say in these situations bothers me more than the gender stereotyping. Everybody's a "__ year old ____" which drives the entire conversation. Horses in handicap races can be labeled fairly in this way, but not people.

These stereotypes are based both upon personal experiences and scientific studies. It's fair for you to question my generalizations but you simply cannot question whether or not I relate to the mindset of any of the groups of teenage females I described; like the one in this news story. Sure there probably are some teenage females out there that think and act just like me. I have NEVER met them so they are obviously a minority and not included in my generalization. People can be labeled that way. I'm explaining to you how to do it. Linguistically, you want me to use sentences unnecessarily long and descriptive about something I could describe in a generalization that you would understand if you weren't so damn demanding that I make a million qualifying descriptions in order to not offend your irrational politically correct biases.

[Scrapmo]

Having never been a black man myself, I completely fail to relate to them in any way. My race just thinks differently than their race does. <--- same coin, different side

I was completely aware of the fallacy when I wrote. I guess a touch of humor is a bit much for you? Lighten up cupcake.

[pcosmar]

If you are questioning the story,, you are not alone.

http://twitchy.com/2013/08/15/think-the-hannah-anderson-case-is-strange-youre-not-alone/

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

And what the hell is an "arson wire"?


Well, being that cops named it, who knows. It could have been a piece of toilet paper.

[MelissaWV]

Well, being that cops named it, who knows. It could have been a piece of toilet paper.

I was thinking it was likely a fuse of some sort, but being that they are looking for evidence relating to a person who they've already decided is an arsonist, they reclassified it as "arson wire."

[pcosmar]

I was thinking it was likely a fuse of some sort, but being that they are looking for evidence relating to a person who they've already decided is an arsonist, they reclassified it as "arson wire."

Well that is why I went searching.. And found no reference ,, Looking at arson and arson investigations,, (and I had been a firefighter)

Nothing. But it is being repeated,, along with numerous other common items that are evidence collected in the case.

Sort of like the recent airport scare,, common cosmetics tested positive for nerve agents.. People getting sick,, until it was found to be harmless,, then everybody got better.

There is more hype in the reporting than pertinent facts..

http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-anderson-selfie-lead.jpg?w=344&h=458

And this just does not look like someone that just had her family brutally murdered.

Odd. It just seems odd.

[pcosmar]

Well, being that cops named it, who knows. It could have been a piece of toilet paper.

No Idea. They found model rocketry items. Perhaps an engine igniter,, (a common item) that they are calling an "arson wire" because it sounds like something dangerous.
http://web4.hobbylinc.com/gr/qus/qus7024.jpg
Just another of the little curiosities.

Hell,, it could be that they found twist ties in his place. (I used them for rockets)

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Perhaps an engine igniter,, (a common item) that they are calling an "arson wire" because it sounds like something dangerous.



My thoughts as well. We know they just make shit up that supports their narrative. I'm sure there are many things people could come up with that could be reasonably described as an "arson wire," but I have no confidence in police making up new words or accurately describing what they find unless it specifically suits their purpose.

[phill4paul]

My thoughts as well. We know they just make shit up that supports their narrative. I'm sure there are many things people could come up with that could be reasonably described as an "arson wire," but I have no confidence in police making up new words or accurately describing what they find unless it specifically suits their purpose.


Thermal Ignitor. Oh noes!

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4953223661946865&pid=15.1

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Thermal Ignitor. Oh noes!

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4953223661946865&pid=15.1


That's a bomb, clearly.

[Origanalist]

Well that is why I went searching.. And found no reference ,, Looking at arson and arson investigations,, (and I had been a firefighter)

Nothing. But it is being repeated,, along with numerous other common items that are evidence collected in the case.

Sort of like the recent airport scare,, common cosmetics tested positive for nerve agents.. People getting sick,, until it was found to be harmless,, then everybody got better.

There is more hype in the reporting than pertinent facts..

http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-anderson-selfie-lead.jpg?w=344&h=458

And this just does not look like someone that just had her family brutally murdered.

Odd. It just seems odd.

Very odd indeed.

[oyarde]

There is no such thing as an arson wire , there is wire , there is arson , someone just made that shit up.

[Origanalist]

There is no such thing as an arson wire , there is wire , there is arson , someone just made that shit up.

It's code. you need a Fraternal Order of Mainstreet Media Super Secret Decoder Ring.

[Tod]

Well then,, that is another puzzle.
http://media.thedenverchannel.com/photo/2013/08/09/missingmangirl_1376085311467_698765_ver1.0_320_240 .jpg

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/3e/9a/3e9a8b202074e663fd4288f25aafc796.jpg?itok=0HcCNI6h

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ABC_hannah_anderson_James_Lee_DiMaggio_thg-130808_16x9_992.jpg

That other pic does not look like him.

Look at his eyebrows. His left one (right on the picture) is slid over away from the bridge of his nose in both pics. Also the bottom of his nose is slightly tweaked upwards to his left.

[RonPaulMall]

Very odd indeed.

What do you want her to do, post a pic with an "I'm so sad" face? She's 16 years old. She is part of the generation that was texting as soon as she could talk and has chronicled their entire lives on Facebook. They've been socialized in way that is completely alien to those of us who come from older generations.

[pcosmar]

Look at his eyebrows. His left one (right on the picture) is slid over away from the bridge of his nose in both pics. Also the bottom of his nose is slightly tweaked upwards to his left.

Well that s another question.. Why use an old,,outdated photo that looks nothing like him for identification?
And that Photo was widely circulated with the story by multiple news agencies,, while current photos were also available.

[Contumacious]

Well that is why I went searching.. And found no reference ,, Looking at arson and arson investigations,, (and I had been a firefighter)

Nothing. But it is being repeated,, along with numerous other common items that are evidence collected in the case.

Sort of like the recent airport scare,, common cosmetics tested positive for nerve agents.. People getting sick,, until it was found to be harmless,, then everybody got better.

There is more hype in the reporting than pertinent facts..

http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-anderson-selfie-lead.jpg?w=344&h=458

And this just does not look like someone that just had her family brutally murdered.

Odd. It just seems odd.

http://media.theweek.com/img/generic/HannahFamily.jpg

Hannah reclines across the laps of her extended family. James DiMaggio (right) is perched on the arm of the couch. (AP Photo/Courtesy of Andrea Saincome)

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[MelissaWV]

Actually, Pete, her eyes are puffy like she's been crying, and her smile looks absolutely fake. Frankly I think people are seeing what they want to see, and what they want most of all is some kind of juicy gossip.

[Contumacious]

Within hours of returning with her father to California from Idaho, Hannah was posting messages and answering questions on a social networking site, including her favorite color (pink) and interest in pop star Justin Beiber.

This has raised suspicions – at least among many following the story and weighing in on social media.

“#HannahAnderson making most of 15 mins by posting smiling photos!?” tweets Los Angeles psychiatrist Carole Lieberman. “Not normal grieving. Doesn't ring true!”

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[pcosmar]

Actually, Pete, her eyes are puffy like she's been crying, and her smile looks absolutely fake. Frankly I think people are seeing what they want to see, and what they want most of all is some kind of juicy gossip.

That is possible..
I am not saying that she is guilty of anything..

But I first saw this story because it was the first time the Amber Alert was broadcast.. To all cell phones.
They did not even find the boy yet.. Or investigate anything at all,, and already had him as the mothers killer and arsonist.

At that point he could have been another victim.. but the narrative was clear and decided.

Now he may have,,, He may have had some catastrophic breakdown and done all this. But the reporting and shooting on sight gives me a bad feeling.

And I tend to be suspicious anyway. But there are a lot of others that are questioning the whole story..

And the hit team will not want to admit they were wrong.

[Anti Federalist]

Actually, Pete, her eyes are puffy like she's been crying, and her smile looks absolutely fake. Frankly I think people are seeing what they want to see, and what they want most of all is some kind of juicy gossip.

Not really, at least AFAIC.

A family is half butchered, the FBI has blown another man away (in an amazingly fast time frame), and something just doesn't seem right.

Maybe it's nothing, but I always question the state's narrative when it kills someone, even it appears to be totally justified.

[Contumacious]

Not really, at least AFAIC.

A family is half butchered, the FBI has blown another man away (in an amazingly fast time frame), and something just doesn't seem right.

Maybe it's nothing, but I always question the state's narrative when it kills someone, even it appears to be totally justified.

Yes, indeed.

How, then, to explain the communication between Hannah and DiMaggio – the letters and phone calls revealed in the search warrants, but whose contents has not been detailed? Or the information, also in the search warrants, that Hannah in the past had gone on “multiple day trips” with DiMaggio, most recently visiting Malibu and Hollywood. (Some news sources report those as “overnight trips.”)

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[pcosmar]

Maybe it's nothing, but I always question the state's narrative when it kills someone, even it appears to be totally justified.

I am generally suspicious.
Especially when the narrative changes.

The Anderson's were separated,, and the dad out of state. Originally,, the story was,, Mom and DiMaggio were close and that they were together often.
He was involved with both kids,, and their activities..

That changed to,, he lured them over.

Too many little things that don't seem to fit,, and a changing story does not help.

Right down to the end.. the other people made no mention of any weapons. only a cat that he has holding. Nor of any hostility at meeting them.. But he allegedly fired at the sniper team with a rifle.

bits and pieces

[Contumacious]

I am generally suspicious.


Too many little things that don't seem to fit,, and a changing story does not help.

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bits and pieces

I

First of all Hannah posted some new selfies -- an artistic photo saying R.I.P. to her brother and mother, along with her new manicure and at least two face shots of her bright and smiling with no injuries and absolutely no signs of distress in her face. If one weren't to know any better you'd never be able to guess that this 16-year-old girl was kidnapped and likely raped for nearly a week after her mother and eight-year-old little brother had been murdered. She looks like she just came back from a vacation with simply three less people in her life.

II


Furthermore, how did this teen know the details of the housefire that burned the bodies of her mom and brother if she didn't know they were dead? This is a strange detail that has come out that will hopefully get some definitive clarification. When asked how she was separated from her mom and brother, she vaguely said that the two were tied up in the garage -- but where was she? When asked about the fire, she plainly said:
"He had it set where it would catch on fire at a certain time."
How did she know this detail if she did not know that her mother and brother had been killed? Most importantly: How did he manage to subdue and tie up Christina Anderson and little Ethan in the garage by himself without Hannah herself getting free and running for help? Christina wasn't a small woman, and it's not far fetched to believe that the eight year old was in distress enough to make quite a racket. In fact, there would have had to been some kind of struggle for James Lee DiMaggio to work by himself to get these two into the garage, subdue them and then tie them up so he could escape with the 16-year-old girl. So where was Hannah Anderson while all of this was going on?

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[Origanalist]

Actually, Pete, her eyes are puffy like she's been crying, and her smile looks absolutely fake. Frankly I think people are seeing what they want to see, and what they want most of all is some kind of juicy gossip.

Her eyes looked puffy anyway.
http://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hannah-dimaggio1.jpg?w=632

And her smile was phony to begin with.

[Anti Federalist]

Anonymous said:
August 16, 2013 at 8:10 AM


C'mon people, try and see what all this info is leading to: "family friend" DiMaggio was Hannah's boyfriend.

Mom told him to leave the UNDER-AGED teen alone.

Dimaggio SNAPPED, killed the mom, brother and dog and then took off with Hannah.

Whether she is a "victim" or aided and abetted is something to consider here.

http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/08/15/letters-from-hanna-and-used-condoms-among-items-seized-at-dimaggio-home/

Anonymous commenter may have nailed it here.

[pcosmar]

So where was Hannah Anderson while all of this was going on?

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The narative was that she was at some cheer-leading/athletic event. and that she was picked up by some unknown individual.

But yeah,,multiple phone calls,and then both phones shut off,, well before the fire.

One other thing that bothers me.
it is possible that someone could snap and kill long time friends (and possible lover) but why torture of her and the boy.

That sounds like someone looking for some information,, not a murder (crime of passion)

Seems like he and the girl were running from someone..

At least that makes some sense.

[BlackTerrel]

If you are questioning the story,, you are not alone.

http://twitchy.com/2013/08/15/think-the-hannah-anderson-case-is-strange-youre-not-alone/

Except they're not taking the angle people are taking here. The number one comment on that site is this:

I'll say it. There is a possibility that she wasn't a victim at all and might have actually been the one who orchestrated the entire thing.

Why? Because she isn't acting "normal" for how you'd expect someone to act in a situation like this? Because she hasn't cried enough for people's satisfaction? Or we haven't seen her cry enough?

Here's a thought: what if she didn't orchestrate it? Maybe there is no "normal" way to react when you're 16 and you just found out your family has been killed?

It's really easy to be a detective on the internet, it's easy to be cruel and there's no real consequences.

But it's kind of like that town with the school shooting when it barely ended and you had all these "sleuths" on the internet saying the parents were all actors and they weren't crying enough.... it's kind of a dick move when you're wrong. And most of the time you're wrong.

[pcosmar]

Anonymous commenter may have nailed it here.

One of many possibilities,, but why the torture..
And the dog was shot,, why not just use the gun at hand? instead of a crowbar?

That is another one of those bits.

[Contumacious]

The narative was that she was at some cheer-leading/athletic event. and that she was picked up by some unknown individual.

But yeah,,multiple phone calls,and then both phones shut off,, well before the fire.

One other thing that bothers me.
it is possible that someone could snap and kill long time friends (and possible lover) but why torture of her and the boy.

That sounds like someone looking for some information,, not a murder (crime of passion)

Seems like he and the girl were running from someone..

At least that makes some sense.


"When asked how she was separated from her mom and brother, she vaguely said that the two were tied up in the garage -- but where was she? When asked about the fire, she plainly said:


"He had it set where it would catch on fire at a certain time."
How did she know this detail if she did not know that her mother and brother had been killed?

[Anti Federalist]

First of all Hannah posted some new selfies -- an artistic photo saying R.I.P. to her brother and mother, along with her new manicure and at least two face shots of her bright and smiling with no injuries and absolutely no signs of distress in her face.

Where is dad, and why is he permitting this?

[Contumacious]

Where is dad, and why is he permitting this?

They are divorced - he lives in Tennesse

Hannah's sister made an unusually high number of calls to Dimaggio's number. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/hannah-anderson-kidnappin_n_3769828.html)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/textarticle_640/2013/08/07/photo.png

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[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

One other thing that bothers me.
it is possible that someone could snap and kill long time friends (and possible lover) but why torture of her and the boy.

That sounds like someone looking for some information,, not a murder (crime of passion)

Seems like he and the girl were running from someone..

At least that makes some sense.


Do we know for a fact that they were tortured? Or, I should say... is anyone, or everyone, confident that they were tortured?

That may have just been something the "authorities" said to make the situation (DiMaggio) sound more sinister. It sounds like the "authorities" had a motive there, so I'm not sure if I believe that part of the story, either.

[pcosmar]

Do we know for a fact that they were tortured? Or, I should say... is anyone, or everyone, confident that they were tortured?

That may have just been something the "authorities" said to make the situation (DiMaggio) sound more sinister. It sounds like the "authorities" had a motive there, so I'm not sure if I believe that part of the story, either.

I'm not sure there is any investigation.. He was decided to be guilty before the fire scene had even cooled.
It seems they are doing everything to justify his killing,, and not investigate murders or the cause.

And the girl seems to be parroting what she is told.

The whole He tricked us into coming over" thing is quite odd.
They damn near lived there. Her mother and Jim DiMaggio had a close relationship and she was separated from her husband,,
JD was more daddy than the real dad was. They called him uncle.

I got the feeling he was running from someone and protecting the girl (my "gut" feeling) perhaps the real killers.
The manner of death, and circumstances seem odd. and the "investigation" seems to be an attempt to cover up.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I'm not sure there is any investigation.. He was decided to be guilty before the fire scene had even cooled.
It seems they are doing everything to justify his killing,, and not investigate murders or the cause.

And the girl seems to be parroting what she is told.

The whole He tricked us into coming over" thing is quite odd.
They damn near lived there. Her mother and Jim DiMaggio had a close relationship and she was separated from her husband,,
JD was more daddy than the real dad was. They called him uncle.

I got the feeling he was running from someone and protecting the girl (my "gut" feeling) perhaps the real killers.
The manner of death, and circumstances seem odd. and the "investigation" seems to be an attempt to cover up.


Yeah, I hear ya.





http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/textarticle_640/2013/08/07/photo.png




Now... I'm pretty sure that's that crybaby Phil Helmuth.


http://www.poker-freak.eu/images/phil_hellmuth.jpg

[Contumacious]

Do we know for a fact that they were tortured? Or, I should say... is anyone, or everyone, confident that they were tortured?

That may have just been something the "authorities" said to make the situation (DiMaggio) sound more sinister. It sounds like the "authorities" had a motive there, so I'm not sure if I believe that part of the story, either.

Yep.

I believe that the FBI made up the story about Dimaggio firing at them with a rifle.

[fr33]

Do we know for a fact that they were tortured? Or, I should say... is anyone, or everyone, confident that they were tortured?

That may have just been something the "authorities" said to make the situation (DiMaggio) sound more sinister. It sounds like the "authorities" had a motive there, so I'm not sure if I believe that part of the story, either.

Just from reading through the news articles, the govt officials say they found a crowbar next to the mother and "blood next to her head". They say he shot the dog but they don't say he shot the humans. Maybe they are saying burning alive or using a blunt object when he could have used a gun is "torture". IDK.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hannah-anderson-search-warrant-dimaggio-20130814,0,2607420.story

Authorities did not elaborate on how the torture was carried out, but the warrants reveal some gruesome details of what investigators discovered when they responded to a fire at suspect James Lee DiMaggio's home.

Authorities found a crowbar near Christina Anderson's body, with blood near her head. The body of Hannah’s brother, Ethan, was found burned. The family dog was found shot to death under a sleeping bag.

[JK/SEA]

i think Hannah is Dimaggio's daughter. To my eye, she has some of his features.

just my humble opinion.


looks like i might have nailed it.

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Family-wants-DNA-test-on-kidnapped-teen-girl-her-brother--220504081.html

[KurtBoyer25L]

The possible narrative that is most compelling is that Hannah and Dimaggio were in love, that her family was severely abusive. Dimaggio knew that their relationship would be demonized and that he would be witch-hunted, making his and the girl's life a living hell, so he decided to sacrifice himself to free her & make her financially secure by putting the $ where she could get it. Hannah, like any smart palindrome, did what he told her to do & made it look like a kidnapping/murder to absolve herself from involvement.

I have no idea if there's any truth to that, but it would make a helluva short story.

[Contumacious]

looks like i might have nailed it.

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Family-wants-DNA-test-on-kidnapped-teen-girl-her-brother--220504081.html

Is kidnapper teen girl's real father? Family wants DNA test


Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Very interrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrestin g.

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[devil21]

A new wrinkle. Mr. Dimaggio had a large life insurance policy and Hannah's family was beneficiary.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2397748/Hannah-Anderson-kidnapper-James-Lee-DiMaggio-left-112k-insurance-family.html

$112,000 is nothing to sneeze at.