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JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 01:19 PM
Pro-life agenda is alienating Democrats and independent voters.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/08/mccrory-continues-to-drop.html


PPP's monthly North Carolina poll finds Pat McCrory's approval rating dropping for the first time into the 30s. 39% of voters approve of the job he's doing to 51% who disapprove. Independents, who supported him overwhelmingly last year, have soured and now give him poor marks by a 41/49 margin. His once respectable crossover support from Democrats is now becoming close to nonexistent at 14% approval. And even with Republicans he's down to a 69/20 spread.

McCrory's signing of a controversial abortion bill and the way he's handled it is responsible for a lot of his problems. Just 27% of voters think he kept his campaign promise not to enact any further restrictions on abortion, to 50% who think he broke it. And 57% think it was inappropriate for him to give protesters cookies instead of meeting with them with just 26% thinking that was an acceptable action. Even among Republican voters only 44% consider McCrory's cookie episode to have been acceptable.


Abortion's just the start of what voters are unhappy with the Republicans in control of state government about though. Just 33% say they support the budget that was passed to 52% who are opposed. And there's particular anger about the end of the sales tax holiday- 55% of voters say they disagree with that move to only 34% who think it was ok.


The upshot of all this is that 50% of voters in the state think the General Assembly is causing North Carolina national embarrassment to 34% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 35% approve of the job Republicans are doing overall of running state government to 56% who give them poor marks, and 51% in the state think Republican control has been a bad thing for North Carolina to just 38% that consider it a positive.

Voters now say that if there was an election for the legislature today they would vote Democratic by a 50/41 margin, matching the largest lead we've ever found for the party on this measure.

libertyjam
08-14-2013, 01:42 PM
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/30/3068013/mccrory-signs-nc-abortion-bill.html


The abortion legislation, Senate Bill 353, requires clinics that perform the procedure to meet standards similar to surgical centers. It also says health care providers can opt out of performing an abortion if it’s against their beliefs. And it would stop government insurance plans from paying for the procedure.

McCrory had threatened to veto a more stringent version of the bill passed by the Senate, citing his campaign promise. But softened language in the House’s version of the bill changed McCrory’s mind.

“It is incredibly disappointing that Gov. McCrory has broken his campaign promise and signed an extreme law that will severely restrict abortion access and comprehensive health care for countless North Carolina women,” Sarah Preston, policy director of the ACLU of North Carolina, said in a emailed statement.

So similar to, but not as extensive as Texas' new abortion restrictions, well good for him. PPP can take their partisan biased poll and fly kites with it.

jkob
08-14-2013, 02:11 PM
PPP is located in North Carolina and is incredibly biased when it comes to shit like this. They're always pushing an agenda. They are worthless until about 2 weeks before an election.

JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 02:12 PM
PPP polls are generally very accurate. 39% approval isn't good by any measure. It was 48% in May.

This is what happens when a pol campaigns on jobs and the economy, then starts pushing religious agenda in office.

Keith and stuff
08-14-2013, 02:17 PM
Interesting. That's pretty funny, though. Giving protestors cookies.
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lib3rtarian
08-14-2013, 02:20 PM
The Republicans put the abortion restrictions inside a motorcycle bill.

jkob
08-14-2013, 02:24 PM
PPP polls are generally very accurate. 39% approval isn't good by any measure. It was 48% in May.

This is what happens when a pol campaigns on jobs and the economy, then starts pushing religious agenda in office.

They're accurate when they want to be, usually about 2 weeks before an election. When they have an agenda to push, they're not. Do you believe that Elizabeth Colbert-Busch was ever up 9 points on Mark Sanford? PPP wanted people to believe that to inject money into the race in Colbert's favor, establishment Republicans justified cutting off support for Sanford because of it. Sanford still won going away...

HOLLYWOOD
08-14-2013, 02:25 PM
Another manipulated poll.. just like all the bullshit that went in Wisconsin and against Governor Scott Walker. :rolleyes:


It's all 'Marxist Manipulations of Propaganda' of today's Business Media and Special Interest. Corporate Media is just as corrupt and controlled by the elitists... so throw it all out and let the unsuspecting know, the polls and media are rigged disinformation and controlled environments over the people, to fool the people, to change their opinions and votes.

devil21
08-14-2013, 03:16 PM
The same state in which a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage passed widely a year ago? NC is basically a few liberal cities (Raleigh, Charlotte) surrounded by conservative rural country. PPP probably just polled Raleigh and Charlotte to get their numbers and left the most conservative areas of the state untouched.

McCrory just signed a big voter ID bill too.

Christian Liberty
08-14-2013, 03:21 PM
While lying is surely a sin, its better to lie than to allow murder.

JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 05:37 PM
The same state in which a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage passed widely a year ago? NC is basically a few liberal cities (Raleigh, Charlotte) surrounded by conservative rural country. PPP probably just polled Raleigh and Charlotte to get their numbers and left the most conservative areas of the state untouched.

McCrory just signed a big voter ID bill too.

Nonsense. Gay marriage and Abortion are two separate issues. Obama himself opposed gay marriage until 2012.

This is a state that Obama narrowly won in 2008, and narrowly lost in 2012. Clearly trending blue.

JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 05:40 PM
While lying is surely a sin, its better to lie than to allow murder.

And the reason socon politicians do this is because deep down they know most voters don't support their agenda.

devil21
08-14-2013, 06:44 PM
Nonsense. Gay marriage and Abortion are two separate issues. Obama himself opposed gay marriage until 2012.

Not to the evangelicals that make up practically the entire rural population of NC. You will not find "pro-gay marriage, anti-abortion" types in any notable numbers in NC, particularly outside of Raleigh and Charlotte (due to the blacks that hate gay marriage but welcome abortions that make up a large percentage of the liberal voters in those cities). The two issues go hand-in-hand to the rural evangelicals.



This is a state that Obama narrowly won in 2008, and narrowly lost in 2012. Clearly trending blue.

Are you from NC? The state was blue in 2008. Red in 2012. First Republican controlled state house in about 100 years elected in 2012. The trend is not toward blue. It is away from blue.

phill4paul
08-14-2013, 06:51 PM
Not to the evangelicals that make up practically the entire rural population of NC. You will not find "pro-gay marriage, anti-abortion" types in any notable numbers in NC, particularly outside of Raleigh and Charlotte. The two issues go hand-in-hand to evangelicals.



Are you from NC? The state was blue in 2008. Red in 2012. First Republican controlled state house in about 100 years elected in 2012. The trend is not toward blue. It is away from blue.

Be wary of the whiplash. As a Carolinian I can honestly say that there will be much contesting and it could very well end up reversing any gains the Reps have made. Truthfully, I'm pretty damned disappointed in them. If they keep it up it may go back for another 100 years.

devil21
08-14-2013, 06:56 PM
Be wary of the whiplash. As a Carolinian I can honestly say that there will be much contesting and it could very well end up reversing any gains the Reps have made. Truthfully, I'm pretty damned disappointed in them. If they keep it up it may go back for another 100 years.

No doubt that is a possibility but the trend currently is toward red. IMHO, what will matter is whether another RINO is the GOP nominee or not. Voter registration numbers are in Dem's favor but as always it's about who turns out for their candidate. There will not be "Hope and Change" fervor for Clinton as there was for Obama.

eta: fwiw, Ive noticed all the local news broadcasts have been turned into liberal outlets. Even the local Fox News affiliate, that was always more conservative in coverage, was changed over to a bunch of liberal talking points recently after being rebranded as a "CW" affiliate. The Fox affiliate moved to another channel and has no news programs anymore. All local news is lefty talking points now in Charlotte.

phill4paul
08-14-2013, 07:01 PM
No doubt that is a possibility but the trend currently is toward red. IMHO, what will matter is whether another RINO is the GOP nominee or not. Voter registration numbers are in Dem's favor but as always it's about who turns out for their candidate. There will not be "Hope and Change" fervor for Clinton as there was for Obama.

It remains to be seen. The numbers are still there. Personally, until the Reps actually start working on bringing industry BACK to N.C. (manufacturing) I could care less about their evangelical vote agenda. Unless I see some positive change I might well be sitting out the next elections.

JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 08:46 PM
Are you from NC? The state was blue in 2008. Red in 2012. First Republican controlled state house in about 100 years elected in 2012. The trend is not toward blue. It is away from blue.


Presidential elections results
Year
Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29)
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29)


2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012)
50.39% 2,270,395
48.35% 2,178,391


2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008)
49.38% 2,128,474
49.70% 2,142,651


2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004)
56.02% 1,961,166
43.58% 1,525,849


2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000)
56.03% 1,631,163
43.20% 1,257,692


1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996)
48.73% 1,225,938
44.04% 1,107,849


1992 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992)
43.44% 1,134,661
42.65% 1,114,042


1988 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1988)
57.97% 1,237,258
41.71% 890,167


1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984)
61.90% 1,346,481
37.89% 824,287


1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980)
49.30% 915,018
47.18% 875,635

angelatc
08-14-2013, 08:51 PM
They're accurate when they want to be, usually about 2 weeks before an election. When they have an agenda to push, they're not. Do you believe that Elizabeth Colbert-Busch was ever up 9 points on Mark Sanford? PPP wanted people to believe that to inject money nto the race in Colbert's favor, establishment Republicans justified cutting off support for Sanford because of it. Sanford still won going away...

Exactly. They're a tool for the Democrat fund raising machine. Nobody would donate if the candidate didn't have a chance, so they make the races look competitive to get Democrat donors excited. Throw in the sacred cow of abortion, and you've got yourself a fundraising letter right there in the news.

JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 08:54 PM
I believe in the long run white Evangelicals will be overwhelmed by a coalition of black and hispanic voters. NC has a booming hispanic population.

JCDenton0451
08-14-2013, 08:59 PM
Don't be stupid, people. The poll is completely legit. Even McCrory himself had to admit his approval numbers are free falling (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/pat-mccroy-poll_n_3755335.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

"The last three weeks we've had a big decline," McCrory said, according to WNCT 9 (http://www.wnct.com/story/22880972/mccrory-not-surprised-by-approval-rating-drop). "But listen, I'm shocked they're that high because we're stepping on the toes of the status quo."

LOL. The nerve of this man!

supermario21
08-14-2013, 09:03 PM
Every Republican governor tanks 5-6 months into their agenda. Liberals protest and drive up the negatives, then things simmer down once people realize things aren't bad at all. The same happened with Walker and Kasich in Wisconsin and Ohio. Kasich's approval was in the 30s at this point of his governorship. Now he's cruising towards reelection, same with Walker.

asurfaholic
08-14-2013, 09:03 PM
I stand with McCroy on this. Stand up for what's right, even if you standing alone-which he is not.

Life is sacred, and should be protected.

KEEF
08-14-2013, 09:04 PM
Man I misread the OP title at first. I thought it read NC governor approves a tank after signing anti-abortion bill.

I was like man... that is one big piece of police state enacting pork tied on to that abortion bill.

asurfaholic
08-14-2013, 09:07 PM
I believe in the long run white Evangelicals will be overwhelmed by a coalition of black and hispanic voters. NC has a booming hispanic population.

Most blacks and Hispanics i know are also evangelical, or at least attend religious services. Lots of churches in the area have multiple services to accomodate the influx of non natives- my church has several.

Feeding the Abscess
08-14-2013, 09:35 PM
If you're going to ban abortion, doing it by regulating businesses out of existence is so backwards and counterproductive that I'm not even sure what to say here. How are you supposed to adequately fight against Democratic-favored regulations on businesses when you're doing the same thing?

The low hanging fruit and market-oriented solution is simply not publicly funding abortion services and providers.

jkob
08-14-2013, 10:59 PM
McCroy is right and that's all that matters. Democrats can't argue against more regulation of abortion.

devil21
08-15-2013, 01:40 AM
Presidential elections results
Year
Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29)
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29)


2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012)
50.39% 2,270,395
48.35% 2,178,391


2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008)
49.38% 2,128,474
49.70% 2,142,651


2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004)
56.02% 1,961,166
43.58% 1,525,849


2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000)
56.03% 1,631,163
43.20% 1,257,692


1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996)
48.73% 1,225,938
44.04% 1,107,849


1992 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992)
43.44% 1,134,661
42.65% 1,114,042


1988 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1988)
57.97% 1,237,258
41.71% 890,167


1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984)
61.90% 1,346,481
37.89% 824,287


1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980)
49.30% 915,018
47.18% 875,635



OK. So it's a red state federally except for 2008. What is your point? NC votes red federally and more blue locally, particularly in the cities. Again, what is your point with the chart?

GunnyFreedom
08-15-2013, 02:24 AM
The NC folks are speaking truth and wisdom in this thread. They know what's up. I have my own issues with McCrory, but you gotta be REALLY careful about taking the media's word around here. Local print and televised media is or has become something like "all MSNBC all the time." You shoulda heard what these loonies said about me! lol

NC has always been a red state that was gerrymandered blue. The 2008 General was a true aberration. It's technically possible that the 2016 General will go blue out of kickback from some pretty significant strategic and tactical blunders by the NCGA, but unlikely.

We live in a weird state. Rural Dems are more conservative than the Republicans.

NC will trend blue over the course of say 20 years because the NCGOP is doing everything they can to piss off Millennials. They could change course and start picking up the youth vote, but the Party leadership is still trying to figure out how to move the Millennials to embrace the bluehairs rather than moving the bluehairs to embrace the Millennials. It doesn't work that way that the Party Leadership doesn't get it. IF they figure it out and get their act together, we have a chance at turning that trend around.

People do have short goldfish-like memories, and the media is going all indigo-blue around here, so there may be some blowback from the current General Assembly, but that blowback will hit in 2014, which should protect 2016 to some extent.

Anything you get from the media about NC politics is probably going to be so distorted as to be unrecognizable, or a flat out lie. TRUST me, there is plenty to grouse about wrt Republicans in this State, but the media is behaving irrationally. They don't cover the failings they should, while they will cover a mouse turd and turn it into elephant dung.

Whatever you do, do not take the media's word for anything that happens in this State. That's not a defense of the GOP, they do plenty wrong that the media never bothers to cover. :rolleyes:

DamianTV
08-15-2013, 02:56 AM
Don't be stupid, people. The poll is completely legit. Even McCrory himself had to admit his approval numbers are free falling (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/pat-mccroy-poll_n_3755335.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).


LOL. The nerve of this man!

Yeah OK, whatever.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

nobody's_hero
08-15-2013, 07:16 AM
The Republicans put the abortion restrictions inside a motorcycle bill.

I laughed out loud. It's not really funny but maybe I just read that sentence and had no other fitting emotion.

Although, EDIT:

Now we'll never be certain whether it was the abortion bill that hurt the approval or another pussified motor vehicle safety law. Should have kept them separate. Apparently this happened about a month ago.

JCDenton0451
08-15-2013, 08:59 AM
I laughed out loud. It's not really funny but maybe I just read that sentence and had no other fitting emotion.

Although, EDIT:

Now we'll never be certain whether it was the abortion bill that hurt the approval or another pussified motor vehicle safety law. Should have kept them separate. Apparently this happened about a month ago.

How many people care about motor safety laws? Of course, it was abortion bill.

JCDenton0451
08-15-2013, 09:04 AM
OK. So it's a red state federally except for 2008. What is your point? NC votes red federally and more blue locally, particularly in the cities. Again, what is your point with the chart?

I think Obama performance reflects the long-term demographic and cultural change. Similar to Virginia. I don't see a Republican winning a 56% of vote in NC again any time soon.

angelatc
08-15-2013, 09:20 AM
Don't be stupid, people. The poll is completely legit. Even McCrory himself had to admit his approval numbers are free falling (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/pat-mccroy-poll_n_3755335.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).


LOL. The nerve of this man!

Maybe you're right, but we've been watching PPP play this game for years now. If this poll happens to be the only legit early poll they've produced since they were created, then so be it. In the meantime, I'm filing it in the "Whatever" section of my brain.

Meanwhile, here's a chart of how the big pollsters fared in 2012. PPP is in the bottom half.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/?_r=0

AuH20
08-15-2013, 09:21 AM
I think Obama performance reflects the long-term demographic and cultural change. Similar to Virginia. I don't see a Republican winning a 56% of vote in NC again any time soon.

It's the migrations that will kill North Carolina in the long run. Too many of my Yankee Zombies are moving down there.

angelatc
08-15-2013, 09:24 AM
It's the migrations that will kill North Carolina in the long run. Too many of my Yankee Zombies are moving down there.

Yep. They're termites.

JCDenton0451
08-15-2013, 09:26 AM
If you're going to ban abortion, doing it by regulating businesses out of existence is so backwards and counterproductive that I'm not even sure what to say here. How are you supposed to adequately fight against Democratic-favored regulations on businesses when you're doing the same thing?True. Regulation of abortion businesses exemplifies everything the Republican party and Conservative movement claim to oppose. I also find it funny how the Democrats are using libertarian rhetoric on matters related to abortion. They oppose regulation of abortion providers on the grounds that the regs are unnecessary, intrusive, raise costs and intefere with the decisions best left to the individuals. Now, the Democrats would never make this kind of argument for any other industry. Doesn't change the fact that they are completely right on this one.



The low hanging fruit and market-oriented solution is simply not publicly funding abortion services and providers.The problem of abortion, if you see it as a problem, has no market solutions. Abortion itself is a hugely popular medical service. There was a vibrant underground market for abortions long before Roe v. Wade.

GunnyFreedom
08-15-2013, 09:32 AM
It's the migrations that will kill North Carolina in the long run. Too many of my Yankee Zombies are moving down there.

Freakin half-backs :spit:

:p

phill4paul
08-15-2013, 09:44 AM
Freakin half-backs :spit:

:p

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again.

Christian Liberty
08-15-2013, 09:56 AM
It's the migrations that will kill North Carolina in the long run. Too many of my Yankee Zombies are moving down there.

While I have no love for New York, aren't people who vote Republican, at least in most cases, kind of zombies too?