Kokesh denied bond; Judge considering 'high-intensity supervision'

[green73]

The crime:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sAGGoPidEY


Adam Kokesh, the libertarian activist in hot water for holding what appeared to be a loaded shotgun in downtown D.C., was once again denied bail.

According to court records, Kokesh appeared in D.C. Superior Court this morning and was once again denied bond on one felony count of carrying a gun outside a home or business. Update: To be clear, a judge is still considering granting him bond on this count. A decision will be made by the end of the week. He was granted a $100 bond for a misdemeanor drug charge by a separate judge.

http://dcist.com/2013/08/libertarian_gun_activist_adam_kokes.php


A D.C. Superior Court judge said Tuesday that she was considering ordering a Virginia-based gun rights activist released from jail and into a high-intensity supervision program as he awaits trial.

Adam Kokesh, 31, has been in D.C. jail since July 25, when he was arrested for carrying a firearm in the District outside of his home or office. The charge stems from a video Kokesh posted of himself apparently loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza on Independence Day.

The 23-second video on YouTube shows Kokesh holding a 12-gauge, pump-action shotgun and loading what appeared to be live shells while speaking into the camera, according to court records. Kokesh is then seen racking the slide of the shotgun. A caption in the video says Kokesh is in Freedom Plaza.

At a Tuesday hearing, Judge Patricia A. Broderick said she needed verifiable proof of Adam Kokesh’s address in Virginia before she would consider placing him on GPS monitoring or home confinement.

Prosecutors continued to object to Kokesh’s release. Broderick ordered prosecutors to submit a response in writing, upon which she would render her decision. At a previous hearing last month, Kokesh’s attorney, Peter Cooper, told a judge his client lived with eight roommates in a house in Herndon.

Also during the hearing, prosecutors said they were working on a putting together a plea deal, which is common in such cases. A tentative trial date was set for Oct. 24.

About two dozen of Kokesh’s friends and supporters, many of them wearing T-shirts that read, “Adam is the man” and “Free Adam,” converged on the courthouse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/superior-court-judge-considering-release-of-gun-activist/2013/08/13/3b862adc-043a-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html

[Lucille]

Evil bastards.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmDkE4lgd08

[angelatc]

That's just the boot on the throat. Adam has never missed a court date or failed to pay any fines. There is no reason to hold him except to remind us all that they're in charge of us.

[JK/SEA]

I still remember when Muhammad Ali refused induction after being drafted and got sent up the river for a few years. That incident triggered larger Vietnam war protests which eventually signaled the end of the war shortly thereafter. I'm not saying this case against Adam will somehow lead to a larger awakening, but i can only hope.

[Tod]

I wonder how many people have had any sort of epiphany as a result of Adam's ordeal? Do you suppose anyone has heard this story and either woken up or had a change of heart, or has Adam's sacrifice been in vain, all cost and no gain?

[JK/SEA]

I wonder how many people have had any sort of epiphany as a result of Adam's ordeal? Do you suppose anyone has heard this story and either woken up or had a change of heart, or has Adam's sacrifice been in vain, all cost and no gain?


if Adam gets sent up, there will be backlash. How big of backlash is still to be determined. Adam will be portrayed as a political prisoner. It might get heated.

[paulbot24]

"prosecutors said they were working on a putting together a plea deal, which is common in such cases."

I've read some interesting things about plea agreements that many might not know. The cops and prosecution know the majority of felony cases end with a plea bargain, and they often pressure people into accepting them. Is it because they are hoping to save you a potentially lengthy prison term? Are they trying to save the country or state the cost of a trial? Or is it because they know they can't legally prove the charges against you and if the case goes to trial, they know their errors will be exposed and they will lose? That is just one thing the linked article below discuses. The pdf is about 4 pages and well worth the time to read. It's called "The Prisoners' (Plea Bargain) dilemma." If you don't have time to read it now, download it. Hopefully you and those you love will never have to worry about this, but you just never know.

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation/2010/2/regv33n1-4.pdf (http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation/2010/2/regv33n1-4.pdf)

[Deborah K]

That's just the boot on the throat. Adam has never missed a court date or failed to pay any fines. There is no reason to hold him except to remind us all that they're in charge of us.

To put it nicely.

[PatriotOne]

if Adam gets sent up, there will be backlash. How big of backlash is still to be determined.

I estimate about a week of furious typing on the internet and then he will all but be forgotten by his fans.

[Deborah K]

if Adam gets sent up, there will be backlash. How big of backlash is still to be determined. Adam will be portrayed as a political prisoner. It might get heated.

What strikes me as interesting on this topic, with the RPFs folks, is that the backlash won't include Adam haters, at first. They'll hang back and watch for a while, because basically, they come from the more controlled and contained, more organized side of the movement. They prefer to 'activate' through the political process of election cycles, political events, think-tank-type stuff. Jefferson types.

The 'civil disobedience' side of the movement - those who like and sympathize with Kokesh, are more the Sam Adams types, and they're willing to be at the forefront, they are the ones that will risk their freedom to make as big of a stink as they can to get people's minds off their games.

I think I'm more of a Jefferson type, but I deeply respect the Sam Adams types. They are the courage of our convictions. I don't get them sometimes, but I don't need to. I understand what they're doing.

[JK/SEA]

Patriot One in the think tank?......hmmmm........not the tank i was thinking.

[Deborah K]

Patriot One in the think tank?......hmmmm........not the tank i was thinking.

Well okay, there's 3 types on this forum: the Jeffersons, the Adams, and King George. :p

[69360]

I estimate about a week of furious typing on the internet and then he will all but be forgotten by his fans.

I agree. Nobody outside a few websites knows who he is or cares.

I hope he gets out of this mess, gets the psychiatric help he needs and gets his life back together.

[dannno]

I agree. Nobody outside a few websites knows who he is or cares.

I hope he gets out of this mess, gets the psychiatric help he needs and gets his life back together.

Ya it's not like he ever had his own tv show or anything.

[green73]

Ya it's not like he ever had his own tv show or anything.

We've got some real mental midgets here, or are they paid trolls?

[Deborah K]

We've got some real mental midgets here, or are they paid trolls?


I've determined that they are King Georges.

[green73]

I've determined that they are King Georges.

I like that. Benedict Arnolds!

[JK/SEA]

i think Adam rejected their advances.....hence the butt hurt.

[ClydeCoulter]

"prosecutors said they were working on a putting together a plea deal, which is common in such cases."

I've read some interesting things about plea agreements that many might not know. The cops and prosecution know the majority of felony cases end with a plea bargain, and they often pressure people into accepting them. Is it because they are hoping to save you a potentially lengthy prison term? Are they trying to save the country or state the cost of a trial? Or is it because they know they can't legally prove the charges against you and if the case goes to trial, they know their errors will be exposed and they will lose? That is just one thing the linked article below discuses. The pdf is about 4 pages and well worth the time to read. It's called "The Prisoners' (Plea Bargain) dilemma." If you don't have time to read it now, download it. Hopefully you and those you love will never have to worry about this, but you just never know.
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation/2010/2/regv33n1-4.pdf

There, now the link won't try to avoid my clicks :)

edit: If there is whitespace (space, tab, cr, lf) after the ']' and before the text of the link it makes the link jump around out from under the mouse cursor when clicked, especially cr+lf

[HOLLYWOOD]

Doesn't it amaze you, people that have killed other people are granted Bail ALL THE TIME. This is clearly a violation to the 8th amendment of the US Constitution which protects Kokesh.

Adam Kokesh is not and has never been a threat to the people... he's apparently a threat to the rigged criminal system of corruption(all 3 branches of the US government) and exposing the illusion of rights and liberties, that are long gone... with the exception if you are a person of power(politics, wealth, or control).

PS: NO ONE discriminates more, than the US government... you know, the same clowns that continue to past all these laws on the proletariat from discriminating upon one another. :rolleyes:

[presence]

Cheers to Admin for putting Adam on the front page.

[Deborah K]

Cheers to Admin for putting Adam on the front page.

Hear, hear!!

[presence]

see also:

Epic Rant: #MyFriendAdam Kokesh has been kidnapped (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?423928-Epic-Rant-MyFriendAdam-Kokesh-has-been-kidnapped)

Was Adam Kokesh Framed? We are change (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?423672-Was-Adam-Kokesh-Framed-We-are-change&highlight=kokesh)
Kokesh Lawyer Alludes Freedom Plaza was Green Screen (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?423333-Kokesh-Lawyer-Alludes-Freedom-Plaza-was-Green-Screen&highlight=kokesh)
Adam Kokesh ordered held without bond in D.C. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?422652-Adam-Kokesh-ordered-held-without-bond-in-D-C&highlight=kokesh)
Police Caught Planting Drugs In Small Business (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?422405-Police-Caught-Planting-Drugs-In-Small-Business&highlight=kokesh)
Kokesh SEARCH Warrant (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421537-Kokesh-SEARCH-Warrant&highlight=kokesh)
Kokesh interview on FOX [VIDEO] (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421758-Kokesh-interview-on-FOX-VIDEO&highlight=kokesh)
Could Adam Kokesh arrest turn into Supreme Court case? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?2030-Could-Adam-Kokesh-arrest-turn-into-Supreme-Court-case)
Adam Kokesh Calls on American Revolutionary Army to March on 50 State Capitols (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?415468-Adam-Kokesh-Calls-on-American-Revolutionary-Army-to-March-on-50-State-Capitols&highlight=kokesh)

[evilfunnystuff]

Doesn't it amaze you, people that have killed other people are granted Bail ALL THE TIME. This is clearly a violation to the 8th amendment of the US Constitution which protects Kokesh.

You don't grant bail to political prisoners, I'm surprised they didn't say "Shut Up. You Don't Get a Lawyer!"

I hope he has good representation.

[Occam's Banana]

I like that. Benedict Arnolds!

Or maybe not. Hmmmm ...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/snowden-is-like-benedict-arnold-thank-god/

Snowden IS Like Benedict Arnold, Thank God!

Tom, thanks for directing us to USAToday’s smear (http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-latest-neocon-smear-of-snowden/) of a fine patriot, Benedict Arnold. It’s about what I’d expect from a newspaper that absolutely worships the State.

Most of what we “know” about General Arnold turns out not to be true. He was actually a huge hero who defended liberty’s principles no matter who was abusing them: the British king and Ministry (equivalent to our modern bureaucratic regime) or people who called themselves Patriots but were, in fact, even more tyrannical than London’s government. I discovered the real story of Arnold and his “treason” while researching my second novel (due for publication this fall). I began writing the book determined to show Arnold for a traitor and a fool; within a few months, based on the facts, I had entirely changed my opinion.

Benedict Arnold defied American dictators, just as Heroic Ed has done. Those dictators naturally and vengefully vilified him at the time; textbooks and professors have repeated their slanders ever since as the truth (imagine the lies statist “historians” will one day write about Ed Snowden). I invite LRC’s readers to suspend judgment of a courageous anarcho-capitalist until my novel, M Genl B Arnold, debuts in another couple months.

(Arnold also makes a cameo appearance — and not a flattering one, since I didn’t yet understand his incredible devotion to freedom — in my first novel, (http://www.amazon.com/Halestorm-ebook/dp/B008YF7H9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345374579&sr=8-1&keywords=Akers+Halestorm)Halestorm (http://www.amazon.com/Halestorm-ebook/dp/B008YF7H9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345374579&sr=8-1&keywords=Akers+Halestorm).)

[green73]

Or maybe not. Hmmmm ...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/snowden-is-like-benedict-arnold-thank-god/

How'd I miss that post? I thought she also penned one where she thought it hilarious that the propagandists were referring to Snowden as a BA, when in fact it's all the defenders of the tyrannical state (and Snowden's accusers) who really fit that mold.

[Occam's Banana]

How'd I miss that post? I thought she also penned one where she thought it hilarious that the propagandists were referring to Snowden as a BA, when in fact it's all the defenders of the tyrannical state (and Snowden's accusers) who really fit that mold.

That sounds like Tom DiLorenzo's comments, here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-latest-neocon-smear-of-snowden/

Akers was "correcting" what DiLo said

[green73]

That sounds like Tom DiLorenzo's comments, here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-latest-neocon-smear-of-snowden/

Akers was "correcting" what DiLo said

Ah yes, of course! You had it right there in your post. I need some coffee. ;/

[tasteless]

Doesn't it amaze you, people that have killed other people are granted Bail ALL THE TIME. This is clearly a violation to the 8th amendment of the US Constitution which protects Kokesh.

Adam Kokesh is not and has never been a threat to the people... he's apparently a threat to the rigged criminal system of corruption(all 3 branches of the US government) and exposing the illusion of rights and liberties, that are long gone... with the exception if you are a person of power(politics, wealth, or control).

PS: NO ONE discriminates more, than the US government... you know, the same clowns that continue to past all these laws on the proletariat from discriminating upon one another. :rolleyes:

Yeah, when David Gregory holds up a 30 rd magazine on camera, the prosecutor let's him off the hook, but when Adam Kokesh holds up a shotgun on camera...

[69360]

Yeah, when David Gregory holds up a 30 rd magazine on camera, the prosecutor let's him off the hook, but when Adam Kokesh holds up a shotgun on camera...

Gregory absolutely should have been charged for that.

[pcosmar]

Gregory absolutely should have been charged for that.


Actually, no one should be charged with that ever.

But then the Gun control should have been stopped dead in it's tracks in 1934.

And local ordinances should have been struck down by the courts long before that,, as a violation of the 2nd amendment.