British National Archives show a son was born to Obama Sr. in 1961 in Kenya

[mrsat_98]

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/
Its getting better.

[Reason]

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/
Its getting better.

Why should I give a f**k what "country" a baby landed on/in when he popped out of his mothers body?

[Anti Federalist]

Why should I give a f**k what "country" a baby landed on/in when he popped out of his mothers body?

Because the same "law" that will put you or me in a rape cage for the slightest infraction, says you cannot have popped out in another country and be president.

[dannno]

Why should I give a f**k what "country" a baby landed on/in when he popped out of his mothers body?

To make people who called birthers 'crazy' for questioning where Obama was born look very foolish.

Remember, their argument was never, "who cares where Obama was born?", their argument was "Obama was born in Hawaii, you idiot."

People like that need their beliefs shaken up on occasion.

Personally I would prefer a President who respected liberty from Kenya over a President who supported tyranny from Texas.

[Anti Federalist]

Personally I would prefer a President who respected liberty from Kenya over a President who supported tyranny from Texas.
Welp, I guess we're both SOL, because they are both tyrants.

So is that pumpkin roller and harridan of a wife from Arkansas, that will more than likely be running in 2016.

[puppetmaster]

Why should I give a f**k what "country" a baby landed on/in when he popped out of his mothers body?

Constitution matter to you?

[S.Shorland]

What comes next when a hollow,rasping sigh no longer suffices?

[Neil Desmond]

My only question is, should we trust the British?

[TruckinMike]

REASON ---> Battle note #128: effectively use your resources at hand.(Constitution) But you know this. I'm guessing that you are having a bad day.:)

[Zippyjuan]

From the link:

Also, the presence of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, cannot be accounted for from February, 1961, the alleged month of her marriage to Obama, until three weeks after the birth of Obama II in August, 1961 when she allegedly applied for college courses at the University of Washington. Theories about her whereabouts have included that she participated in the Air Lift America project as an exchange student and traveled to Nairobi as one of many recent high school graduates (see AASF Report 1959-1961).

The 1961 flight to Africa was in September- one month AFTER Obama was born. http://www.airlifttoamerica.org/pdfs/AASF%20Report%20of%20Activities%201959-1961.pdf She could not have taken that flight and given birth to Barak in Kenya in August.

[Zippyjuan]

The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama [Sr.] are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled “Burack” and “Biraq”) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama [Sr.] is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives’ desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.

Note that it does not say where the birth took place.

[thoughtomator]

From the link:


The 1961 flight to Africa was in September- one month AFTER Obama was born. http://www.airlifttoamerica.org/pdfs/AASF%20Report%20of%20Activities%201959-1961.pdf She could not have taken that flight and given birth to Barak in Kenya in August.

Unless Obama's actual birth date is a bit later than the claimed one.

[thoughtomator]

Why should I give a f**k what "country" a baby landed on/in when he popped out of his mothers body?

Because putting someone in charge of the military when they are not loyal to our country is a recipe for ruin.

[Zippyjuan]

Unless Obama's actual birth date is a bit later than the claimed one.

Why would the Honolu newspapers have the announcement a month early? (they got their listings from the hospital- both papers had the exact same names in the exact same order). Was this some "plot" before he was even born to become President some day so they had to "fake" his birth?

[pcosmar]

From the link:


The 1961 flight to Africa was in September- one month AFTER Obama was born. http://www.airlifttoamerica.org/pdfs/AASF%20Report%20of%20Activities%201959-1961.pdf She could not have taken that flight and given birth to Barak in Kenya in August.


Theories about her whereabouts
perhaps you missed that,, as well a missing the "Official flight".. That does not account for any additional Unofficial flights.

Of course it is theory and does not prove nor disprove anything beyond "the presence of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, cannot be accounted for ".

[Zippyjuan]

The whole thing is full of theories. Nowhere (aside from the headline) does it offer any proof of Obama being born in Kenya. The records indicate a son born in 1961 but doen't saywhere the birth took place. It notes his marriage to Dunham but does not say where it took place.

[pcosmar]

The whole thing is full of theories. Nowhere (aside from the headline) does it offer any proof of Obama being born in Kenya. The records indicate a son born in 1961 but doen't saywhere the birth took place. It notes his marriage to Dunham but does not say where it took place.

So why attempt to debunk?

Most of the reality of Obama is obfuscated or manufactured. And it really does not make any difference.

I believe he is likely not eligible,, but the reality is.. he is there.

The Constitution is ignored on virtually every point now anyway,,
Even if proven. beyond doubt,, it won't change anything.

[69360]

Birthers will still be at it after he leaves office. Liberals will never care.

Mother was a citizen beyond any doubt, it doesn't matter where he was born. I won't reply to this post.

[enhanced_deficit]

Why should I give a f**k what "country" a baby landed on/in when he popped out of his mothers body?

Not just any baby abut one that grew up to be First SWC (Suspected War Criminal), it might be relevant for various current and historic reasons.

[Anti Federalist]

So why attempt to debunk?

Most of the reality of Obama is obfuscated or manufactured. And it really does not make any difference.

I believe he is likely not eligible,, but the reality is.. he is there.

The Constitution is ignored on virtually every point now anyway,,
Even if proven. beyond doubt,, it won't change anything.

Yeah that.

[Neil Desmond]

Birthers will still be at it after he leaves office. Liberals will never care.

Mother was a citizen beyond any doubt, it doesn't matter where he was born. I won't reply to this post.
Yes, his mother was a US citizen; but isn't the question that if he, himself, wasn't born in the US about whether or not he qualifies to be President?

Personally, I wonder if he was deliberately selected to be the candidate to purposely keep people distracted or occupied with debating his birth so they'll spend less time trying to stop things like Obamacare and many of the other things he's doing to damage or destroy the country.

[specsaregood]

Personally, I wonder if he was deliberately selected to be the candidate to purposely keep people distracted or occupied with debating his birth so they'll spend less time trying to stop things like Obamacare and many of the other things he's doing to damage or destroy the country.

Meh, I think he was selected because some rich and powerful guys wanted to see what would happen if neither the R nor the D candidate for president were actually eligible for the position. Probably bet a dollar on the results.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D1Mkfh4ZJD8/TVV2XLX3RbI/AAAAAAAACMQ/uG6OcpZwbQY/s1600/the_bet_is_paid.jpg

[Origanalist]

What comes next when a hollow,rasping sigh no longer suffices?

Whiskey.

[Neil Desmond]

Meh, I think he was selected because some rich and powerful guys wanted to see what would happen if neither the R nor the D candidate for president were actually eligible for the position. Probably bet a dollar on the results.
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I like Trading Places, good & funny movie.

The arguments over Obama's birth certificate or Hawaii newspaper birth announcements remind me of two other movies I like:

Wag The Dog, where Conrad Brean has that counterfeit music record planted in the Library of Congress.

A Few Good Men, where Col. Jessup makes an entire flight disappear from both the Andrews and Gitmo tower chiefs' logbooks.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Contact the NSA... I'm sure they have a file or two, on the Presidential Puppet and Propagandist

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[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Because putting someone in charge of the military when they are not loyal to our country is a recipe for ruin.


Ummm. Unfortunately, their birthplace has shown to be non-material in that respect.

[BlackTerrel]

To make people who called birthers 'crazy' for questioning where Obama was born look very foolish.

Remember, their argument was never, "who cares where Obama was born?", their argument was "Obama was born in Hawaii, you idiot."

People like that need their beliefs shaken up on occasion.

Unfortunately the beliefs of the crazy people are unshakable.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes, his mother was a US citizen; but isn't the question that if he, himself, wasn't born in the US about whether or not he qualifies to be President?

Personally, I wonder if he was deliberately selected to be the candidate to purposely keep people distracted or occupied with debating his birth so they'll spend less time trying to stop things like Obamacare and many of the other things he's doing to damage or destroy the country.
If that were so, John McCain wouldn't have been eligible either had he won.

[Marky]

Why would an American woman go to Kenya, a third world country, to give birth to her baby? Doesn’t make sense.

[ghengis86]

Meh, I think he was selected because some rich and powerful guys wanted to see what would happen if neither the R nor the D candidate for president were actually eligible for the position. Probably bet a dollar on the results.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D1Mkfh4ZJD8/TVV2XLX3RbI/AAAAAAAACMQ/uG6OcpZwbQY/s1600/the_bet_is_paid.jpg

I think that's closer to the truth.

In all seriousness, what difference does it make? They don't follow the constitution on anything else, what makes anyone think they'd adhere to the letter on the "natural born" portion?

We're f'd regardless.

[ghengis86]

Whiskey.

Yep. That's what I've myself resigned to

[Neil Desmond]

If that were so, John McCain wouldn't have been eligible either had he won.
Right, and that also makes me wonder something similar about McCain being deliberately selected to be the candidate as a distraction, etc.

We had two candidates for the dominant political parties who have issues regarding being born outside the US & their qualification to be President.

[paulbot24]

What comes next when a hollow,rasping sigh no longer suffices?

Whiskey.

Yep. That's what I've myself resigned to

What comes after that? Another whiskey rebellion? Wait, that didn't exactly end well.....well shit, drink if ya got it.

[RDM]

Right, and that also makes me wonder something similar about McCain being deliberately selected to be the candidate as a distraction, etc.

We had two candidates for the dominant political parties who have issues regarding being born outside the US & their qualification to be President.

The Founding Fathers warned us to preserve a government of laws, and not of men.


Arrogant, lawless and lusting for power, government officials have
abrogated their responsibility to the Constitution, the country and its
citizens.








It was a backroom deal among Congressional Democrats and Republicans, which created our current Constitutional crisis.


Congress and our political leadership always knew that Barack Obama
was not a natural born citizen and, therefore, he was never eligible for
the Presidency.


Over the last twenty to thirty years, members of Congress, for both
personal and partisan reasons, have unsuccessfully attempted to water
down the natural born citizen clause by offering potential Amendments to
the Constitution.


Political coup d’etat of the Constitution

In the Spring of 2008, however, politicians found an opportunity to
create a precedent, whereby they could change the eligibility
requirements for the Presidency without an Amendment.


At that time, John McCain’s eligibility according to the natural born
clause was being questioned. So, a deal was struck and the bogus and
non-binding Senate resolution 511 was passed, which provided cover for
both McCain and Obama.


It was a political coup d’etat of the Constitution. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37929
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[Reason]

Constitution matter to you?

Once you move past libertarianism into advocating for a stateless society you stop worshiping the idea of the government restraining itself as a plausible idea.

[Peace Piper]

Personally, I wonder if he was deliberately selected to be the candidate to purposely keep people distracted or occupied with debating his birth so they'll spend less time trying to stop things like Obamacare and many of the other things he's doing to damage or destroy the country.

Glenn Greenwald 15 may 2013:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/15/obama-civil-liberties-sea-change


Recall back in 2008 that the CIA prepared a secret report (PDF)(subsequently leaked to WikiLeaks) (http://file.wikileaks.org/file/cia-afghanistan.pdf) that presciently noted that the election of Barack Obama would be the most effective way to stem the tide of antiwar sentiment in western Europe, because it would put a pleasant, happy, progressive face on those wars and thus convert large numbers of Obama supporters from war opponents into war supporters.

That, of course, is exactly what happened: not just in the realm of militarism but civil liberties and a whole variety of other issues. That has had the effect of transforming what were, just a few years ago, symbols of highly contentious right-wing radicalism into harmonious bipartisan consensus.

That the most vocal defenders of this unprecedented government acquisition of journalists' phone records comes from government-loyal progressives - reciting the standard slogans of National Security and Keeping Us Safe and The Terrorists - is a potent symbol indeed of this transformation.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/15/obama-civil-liberties-sea-change
The war on WikiLeaks and why it matters Greenwald Mar 27, 2010
http://www.salon.com/2010/03/27/wikileaks/


In any event, Neither Bush, Romney or McCain could have done even a quarter of the things this grinning jug eared liar has done and not suffered riots in the streets. This Barry guy is dangerous.

I think Barry, His Mommy and his real and fake daddys have CIA blood

[J_White]

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/
Its getting better.

certainly interesting, but just adds to the confusion, without clearing anything !

[pcosmar]

Once you move past libertarianism into advocating for a stateless society you stop worshiping the idea of the government restraining itself as a plausible idea.
What about the idea of the people restraining the government?

Something like a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

That idea was lost somewhere. Both by complacency and laziness in the people, and by allowing(or electing) Authoritarians who wished to rule the people.