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JCDenton0451
08-08-2013, 08:51 AM
When a woman walked into a state-funded "crisis pregnancy center" in Manassas, Va., this summer and told the counselor she might be pregnant, she was told that condoms don't actually prevent STDs and that birth control frequently causes hair loss, memory loss, headaches, weight gain, fatal blood clots and breast cancer.


"The first three ingredients in the birth control pill are carcinogens," the CPC counselor said (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/74933/transcript-02.mp3), adding that she always tries to talk women out of taking it.
The counselor also told the woman that condoms are not effective at preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases because they are "naturally porous."


"Safe sex is a joke," she said. "There's no such thing."


NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia recorded the exchange, released Wednesday, as part of its undercover investigation into the 58 state-funded "crisis pregnancy centers" in Virginia. The organizations are part of a national network of about 2,500 Christian centers that advertise health and pregnancy services, but do not offer abortions, contraception or prenatal care. Instead, they are intended to talk women out of having abortions and to advocate abstinence until marriage.


These organizations receive state money [!!!] through the sale of "Choose Life" license plates (http://www.vachoose-life.org/about_us.php) at the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles. Ken Cuccinelli, Virginia's Republican gubernatorial candidate, sponsored the legislation that established that fundraising system during his time in the state senate.


NARAL sent undercover women into several crisis pregnancy centers throughout Virginia and recorded their interactions. The investigation revealed that 71 percent of the CPCs in Virginia (http://www.naralva.org/assets/bin/CPC%20Report%20Executive%20Summary.pdf) give out medically inaccurate information about the health consequences and effectiveness of birth control, condoms and abortion.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/crisis-pregnancy-centers_n_3721377.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Damn social conservatives. I can understand why they try to talk women out of having an abortion, but what's their beef with birth control? And why do they lie to people?

And how come they are getting government funding? How many casual pro-lifers know they're helping fund charlatans who deceive women? I bet many of them would be embarrased to learn this.

tod evans
08-08-2013, 09:08 AM
Why is this any different than "planned parenthood"?

There's a reason to get government out of ALL healthcare.

Personally I don't want my tax dollars funding either "clinic", let me control my own money and if I feel strongly enough to support either one I'll do so on my own..

moostraks
08-08-2013, 09:14 AM
Uh, birth control does cause the type of side effects they are reporting.

presence
08-08-2013, 09:14 AM
These organizations receive state money [!!!] through the sale of "Choose Life" license plates (http://www.vachoose-life.org/about_us.php) at the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles.


Actually, IMHO this is the perfect way for the governemt to take and give money. Its voluntary, and the funds go directly to the cause being donated to. Seems proper to me.



but what's their beef with birth control?

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/birth-control

erowe1
08-08-2013, 09:16 AM
That's not really state money. People choose to pay extra for those plates for that money to go to those purposes. The same thing goes for lots of other state license plates.

Does the state have too much involvement in the license plate process? I'm sure it must. If so, the solution is just to privatize it, and let those people continue buying "choose life" plates, and continue using them as a fund raising tool for those organizations, and just undercut any pretense of state funding.

JCDenton0451
08-08-2013, 09:28 AM
That's not really state money. People choose to pay extra for those plates for that money to go to those purposes. The same thing goes for lots of other state license plates.

Cooch devised an ingenious scheme for Virvinia, but in Ohio CPCs get their funding directly from the state budget.

Also most pro-life people are not extreme in their views: they support abortion in some circumstances and they don't mind birth control, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't condone CPC lying to women to discourage them from having abortions AND using birth control.

JCDenton0451
08-08-2013, 09:30 AM
Uh, birth control does cause the type of side effects they are reporting.

And the Earth was created 5000 years ago. Whatever.:rolleyes:

erowe1
08-08-2013, 09:31 AM
Also most pro-life people are not extreme in their views: they support abortion in some circumstances and they don't mind birth control, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't condone CPC lying to women to discourage them from having abortions AND using birth control.

That's up to them. Obviously some choose to fund these crisis pregnancy centers.

I like crisis pregnancy centers a lot. I think that anti-state pro-lifers should take private charities like those a lot more seriously than they do, myself included.

Thanks for this thread. You've pretty much talked me into making my next license plate a choose life one.

tod evans
08-08-2013, 09:31 AM
And the Earth was created 5000 years ago. Whatever.:rolleyes:

Arguing with a woman about the side effects of birth control...................

Smart...

JCDenton0451
08-08-2013, 09:41 AM
That's up to them. Obviously some choose to fund these crisis pregnancy centers.

I like crisis pregnancy centers a lot. I think that anti-state pro-lifers should take private charities like those a lot more seriously than they do, myself included.

These are no charities, because they aren't providing any valuable service. In fact CPCs hurt people by misinforming and deceiving them.

They also often receive state funding.

erowe1
08-08-2013, 09:45 AM
These are no charities, because they aren't providing any valuable service. In fact CPCs hurt people by misinforming and deceiving them.

They also often receive state funding.

Talking women out of having their babies killed is a very valuable service.

I don't know about everything said about birth control in the OP, but not using birth control never hurt anyone. Sex outside of marriage does all the time of course, and maybe some people try to blame that on not using birth control, but that's a self-evidently lame excuse.

moostraks
08-08-2013, 10:00 AM
Arguing with a woman about the side effects of birth control...................

Smart...
Lol!

fisharmor
08-08-2013, 10:02 AM
Uh, birth control does cause the type of side effects they are reporting.

I think the issue is with the word "frequently".


In fact CPCs hurt people by misinforming and deceiving them.

Well, the thing I find incredibly interesting is that if you're a man who works out regularly, any hormone use in pursuance thereof is universally and incorrectly derided, and the urban legends get trotted out almost immediately.

However, if you're a woman who wants to be the cum dumpster at the local gin joint, hormone use is not only encouraged but universally and incorrectly held to be completely normal and safe.

JCDenton0451
08-08-2013, 10:09 AM
Talking women out of having their babies killed is a very valuable service. A service to God - maybe, but not necessarily a service to a woman. Especially if you methods rely on lies and deception.



I don't know about everything said about birth control in the OP, but not using birth control never hurt anyone. Sex outside of marriage does all the time of course, and maybe some people try to blame that on not using birth control, but that's a self-evidently lame excuse.

Not using birth control can result in pregnancy, which may necessitate an abortion. Why is it so hard to understand?

erowe1
08-08-2013, 10:10 AM
Not using birth control can result in pregnancy, which may necessitate an abortion. Why is it so hard to understand?

It's not true.

VBRonPaulFan
08-08-2013, 10:11 AM
A service to God - maybe, but not necessarily a service to a woman. Especially if you methods rely on lies and deception.



Not using birth control can result in pregnancy, which may necessitate an abortion. Why is it so hard to understand?

No, sex results in pregnancy.

What you just said is the equivalent of saying "sailing a boat can result in drowning".

moostraks
08-08-2013, 10:15 AM
And the Earth was created 5000 years ago. Whatever.:rolleyes:

You have foot in mouth disease. Do some research.

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm257337.htm

http://www.drugs.com/pro/yaz.html

http://www.firstwordpharma.com/node/922167?tsid=17#axzz2bOXWuEG3

This will get you started if you care.

fisharmor
08-08-2013, 10:21 AM
You have foot in mouth disease. Do some research.

My wife's body chemistry got totally screwed up by the pill. She stopped taking it because it was screwing up our relationship - she was moody, frequently depressed, and liked to bicker.
And the best part of it all?
She was pretty much completely uninterested in having sex.

That's not really the prevention I was hoping for, personally.

moostraks
08-08-2013, 10:26 AM
My wife's body chemistry got totally screwed up by the pill. She stopped taking it because it was screwing up our relationship - she was moody, frequently depressed, and liked to bicker.
And the best part of it all?
She was pretty much completely uninterested in having sex.

That's not really the prevention I was hoping for, personally.

Yep I totally believe you. The TTC boards are littered with heartbreaking stories about the long term effects suffered by people who thought these pills and shots were completely safe and had no long term effects. I have been blessed with the knowledge that my family is predisposed to blood clots so I never got on them. My sister had blood clots when she was on them. They are dangerous drugs that should be respected for the type of damage they can inflict and instead are almost demanded by doctors to be taken after a pregnancy.

VBRonPaulFan
08-08-2013, 10:36 AM
Yep I totally believe you. The TTC boards are littered with heartbreaking stories about the long term effects suffered by people who thought these pills and shots were completely safe and had no long term effects. I have been blessed with the knowledge that my family is predisposed to blood clots so I never got on them. My sister had blood clots when she was on them. They are dangerous drugs that should be respected for the type of damage they can inflict and instead are almost demanded by doctors to be taken after a pregnancy.

TTC = 'trying to conceive' for those who don't know.

presence
08-08-2013, 11:13 AM
wow... I made 16 posts without flames :)


Actually, IMHO this is the perfect way for the governemt to take and give money.

The Free Hornet
08-08-2013, 11:18 AM
Actually, IMHO this is the perfect way for the governemt to take and give money. Its voluntary, and the funds go directly to the cause being donated to. Seems proper to me.

But, of course, license plates aren't voluntary. The vanity/charity plate portion may be. Also, this is possibly an example of how few organizations deserve support. Context might be lacking and I consider it very very odd that they rip on these people for not offering 'prenatal care' (a medical service they may not be licensed to provide, and thus ought not be criticized if not capable).


Things are likely worse on the 'other side':

http://virginiapregnancy.org/
(too much abortion and infanticide pill pushing)

Anyway, this was a year-long investigation of one non-profit by another - which makes an excellent argument for NEVER giving to charity (lol):

http://www.naralva.org/what-is-choice/cpc/revealed.shtml

This is their beef:


These CPCs do not provide or refer for abortion care or birth control.

http://www.naralva.org/assets/bin/CPC%20Report%20Executive%20Summary.pdf

This is the medical information with which they seem to take issue:


40 CPCs shared medically erroneous information that abortion causes long-term psychological damage, including suggesting thatwomen who have abortions can ‚get eating disorders, become alcoholic, or become drug addicts,‛ 3 and that ‚ the sound of a vacuum would always bring back flashbacks of the abortion.‛

CPCs shared medically inaccurate information that abortion causes breast cancer, including several that issued the following warning on their respective websites: ‚A number of reliable studies have demonstrated a connection between abortion and later development of breast cancer.‛

falsely reported a link between abortion, infertility, and later pregnancy complications. One in-person investigator reported: ‚The counselor said that if I was a certain blood type, an abortion could cause my body to create antibodies that would attack my baby the next time I got pregnant.‛


Perhaps this could be settled by lifespan. If motherhood increases lifespan, then possibly the reverse, will shorten it:


RESULTS:

Life span of fathers increased in linear fashion with increasing number of children (0.23 years per additional child; p =.01), while life span of mothers increased linearly up to 14 children (0.32 years per additional child; p =.004) but decreased with each additional child beyond 14 (p =.0004). Among women, but not men, a later age at last birth was associated with longer life span (p =.001).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16510865

Tracing the specific causes of death as it relates to motherhood or abortion would be tricky, so a bottom-line analysis would be nice to have (IMO).

presence
08-08-2013, 11:23 AM
But, of course, license plates aren't voluntary.

Indeed

KEEF
08-08-2013, 11:45 AM
I see the only real solution here is for the Federal Government to begin making it mandatory for all individuals who are not 'legally' married to wear this... http://www.armouronline.com/foto/produkty/titulni_401_chastity_belt.jpg

...I obviously am not serious.

erowe1
08-08-2013, 11:57 AM
I see the only real solution here is for the Federal Government to begin making it mandatory for all individuals who are not 'legally' married to wear this... http://www.armouronline.com/foto/produkty/titulni_401_chastity_belt.jpg

...I obviously am not serious.

Is poop supposed to go through that flower-shaped hole there in the back? Like one of those Play-doh extruding toys?

KEEF
08-08-2013, 12:05 PM
Is poop supposed to go through that flower-shaped hole there in the back? Like one of those Play-doh extruding toys?
Yes like this...
http://adventuresofaglutenfreemom.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/playdoh.jpg