Newt Gingrich Abandons Neocons, Joins Rand Paul In GOP Foreign Policy Civil War

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Newt Gingrich Abandons Neocons, Joins Rand Paul In GOP Foreign Policy Civil War

BY HAYES BROWN ON AUGUST 5, 2013 AT 11:15 AM

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has a new and unlikely ally in his fight against the neoconservative wing of the Republican Party that has long dominated its foreign policy: former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

“I am a neoconservative,” Gingrich told the Washington Times in an article published on Sunday. “But at some point, even if you are a neoconservative, you need to take a deep breath to ask if our strategies in the Middle East have succeeded.”

A decade ago, Gingrich as was the forefront of those calling for a broad interventionist policy, one that would spread democracy throughout the Middle East whether its inhabitants wanted America’s help in doing so or not. Just days after the 9/11 attacks, Gingrich was calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq after the U.S. finished ousting the Taliban in Afghanistan. In the time since, it would seem that Newt has had a change of heart.

“It may be that our capacity to export democracy is a lot more limited than we thought,” Gingrich told the Times, adding: “I think we really need a discussion on what is an effective policy against radical Islam, since it’s hard to argue that our policies of the last 12 years have effective.”

In case the change of allegiances wasn’t clear enough, though, Gingrich specifically cited Sen. Paul as an example of the future of the Republican Party. “I think it would be healthy to go back and war-game what alternative strategies would have been better, and I like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul because they are talking about this,” Gingrich said.

“The establishment will grow more and more hysterical the more powerful Rand Paul and Ted Cruz become,” Gingrich predicted. “They will gain strength as it’s obvious that they are among the few people willing to raise the right questions.” Those comments echo those he made last week on the Laura Inghram radio show, in which he called the Republican establishment’s hysteria over Paul “sad,” determining that “frankly, they’re hysterical because they have no answers.”

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http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/08/05/2410891/gingrich-neocon-flip/

[Kotin]

even though he is not to be trusted, this sort of talk is great for us.

[Brett85]

It's interesting that Gingrich actually calls himself a "neo-conservative." Most neo-conservatives don't actually describe themselves with that label.

[Karsten]

It's interesting that Gingrich actually calls himself a "neo-conservative." Most neo-conservatives don't actually describe themselves with that label.

Yeah. Most claim there is no such thing.

[ObiRandKenobi]

It's interesting that Gingrich actually calls himself a "neo-conservative." Most neo-conservatives don't actually describe themselves with that label.

lol yeah that's funny.

[AuH20]

This story is real big deal. A Gingrich defection is very telling.

[krugminator]

It's interesting that Gingrich actually calls himself a "neo-conservative." Most neo-conservatives don't actually describe themselves with that label.

It is funny. They are all too happy to slur people with neo-isolationist. But if you call them neoconservative, they call you a jew-hater.

[FrankRep]

Rand and Ted, don't let Newt into your administration.

[Paulistinian]

Rand and Ted, don't let Newt into your administration.

I don't know, Newt could be useful when placed in a powerless cabinet position.

[FrankRep]

I don't know, Newt could be useful when placed in a powerless cabinet position.

He's done enough damage already. No More.

[radiofriendly]

I don't know, Newt could be useful when placed in a powerless cabinet position.

I've got just the job. Inspector General of Homeland Zoos.
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Seriously, do you follow this guy on twitter?

[Christian Liberty]

Rand and Ted, don't let Newt into your administration.

Rand, don't let Ted into your administration.

[Paulistinian]

I've got just the job. Inspector General of Homeland Zoos.
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Seriously, do you follow this guy on twitter?

Get Rand on the phone! That's perfect!

[Anti-Neocon]

Rand, don't let Ted into your administration.
Don't Rand and Ted agree with each other on many issues? Why not give him a Cabinet position for something where both see eye to eye?

[Paulistinian]

Don't Rand and Ted agree with each other on many issues? Why not give him a Cabinet position for something where both see eye to eye?

Honestly we can only afford to lose one Liberty Senator... We would still need Cruz, Lee, etc. in the Senate to help President Paul achieve some of his goals.

[Occam's Banana]

Not sure how "Newt Gingrich saying 'I am a neoconservative'" = "Newt Gingrich Abandons Neocons" ... :confused:


It is funny. They are all too happy to slur people with neo-isolationist. But if you call them neoconservative, they call you a jew-hater.

FTA (emphasis added): http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/newt-gingrich-maybe-these-interventions-havent-worked/

Newt Gingrich: Maybe These Interventions Haven’t Worked (http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/newt-gingrich-maybe-these-interventions-havent-worked/)

Newt Gingrich now admits (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/4/newt-gingrich-rethinks-neoconservative-views/) that neoconservative foreign-policy interventionism has backfired. “It may be that our capacity to export democracy is a lot more limited than we thought,” the former Speaker said.

(Before I get to the significance of this, one quick point: Gingrich says expressly, “I am a neoconservative.” I got a chuckle out of this, because it called to mind all the times we’ve been told that there’s no such thing as a neoconservative, that the term was originated by anti-Semites who use it to demonize Jews, but that there really is no such thing. And here’s a guy who actually admits he is one. So they aren’t just figments of our imaginations after all!)

At this point in his life, Gingrich’s influence is not great. What matters about the concessions he makes to the Washington Times is that he depicts himself as someone who sympathizes with Rand Paul, who is on the less interventionist side of the GOP. He condemns the establishment for responding with hysteria to noninterventionist arguments, and says the hysteria conceals the fact that the interventionists are out of arguments.

Is Gingrich an opportunist? We know the answer. But his remarks, and his eagerness to be perceived as a maverick who rethinks neoconservative interventionism, is an indication of the way the wind is blowing.

[Christian Liberty]

Honestly we can only afford to lose one Liberty Senator... We would still need Cruz, Lee, etc. in the Senate to help President Paul achieve some of his goals.

At least don't make Ted the VP. Rand needs someone more radical than he is as the #2 or someone is going to go after him.

[brushfire]

Its a trap... They're trying to co-opt, and infect our movement. We've seen it before. These pigs dont just "turn a new leaf".

[jllundqu]

Newt just had this thought pop thru his head:

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[Brett85]

I'm still not exactly sure why so many people mention Rand and Cruz together when talking about foreign policy issues. Cruz might be better than the average Republican on foreign policy issues, but I don't really think he's where Rand is at.

[eleganz]

lol, I refuse to link to thinkprogress.

[CaptLouAlbano]

Don't Rand and Ted agree with each other on many issues? Why not give him a Cabinet position for something where both see eye to eye?

They do. Some folks here would prefer that Rand spit in Cruz's face rather than working side by side with him.

[Paulistinian]

They do. Some folks here would prefer that Rand spit in Cruz's face rather than working side by side with him.

People here forget that Ron endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in Texas.

[erowe1]

The thread title's deceptive.

He flat out says, "I am a neoconservative."

[Sola_Fide]

The next big terrorist attack will set him straight again... (cue Al CIAeda).

[PaleoPaul]

I'm still not exactly sure why so many people mention Rand and Cruz together when talking about foreign policy issues. Cruz might be better than the average Republican on foreign policy issues, but I don't really think he's where Rand is at.
Cruz seems to be like a Barry Goldwater on foreign policy. He's a bit on the hawkish side, but he's not a neo-con, either.

[Brett85]

Cruz seems to be like a Barry Goldwater on foreign policy. He's a bit on the hawkish side, but he's not a neo-con, either.

I agree. But I'm not sure why people like Gingrich mention Paul and Cruz together when discussing foreign policy, because Rand really isn't on the hawkish side.

[Christian Liberty]

I'm still not exactly sure why so many people mention Rand and Cruz together when talking about foreign policy issues. Cruz might be better than the average Republican on foreign policy issues, but I don't really think he's where Rand is at.

Exactly.

They do. Some folks here would prefer that Rand spit in Cruz's face rather than working side by side with him.

I don't so much have a problem with what Rand Paul is doing, although I seriously hope he knows what he's doing (He needs to be willing to betray Cruz before Cruz betrays him, if appropriate). I more have a problem with how everyone but Rand Paul and Mike Lee are reacting to Cruz than how Paul and Lee are reacting.

For instance, we, and Ron Paul, should stop pretending Cruz is an ally when we all know better. We should not LET people like Newt Gingrich try to connect Paul and Cruz without being condemned for it.

Rand Paul can play his game of chess, the rest of us need to set the neocons straight rather than playing their game. They'd like nothing more than to see Ted Cruz associated with the term "libertarian".




People here forget that Ron endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in Texas.

Nope. I simply disagree with Ron.


The next big terrorist attack will set him straight again... (cue Al CIAeda).

I'm ready for the next one. I already feel one coming. I'm not sure it will be mere "blowback" this time around.


I agree. But I'm not sure why people like Gingrich mention Paul and Cruz together when discussing foreign policy, because Rand really isn't on the hawkish side.

Sometimes he still is. Although, in Rand Paul's case, the signals are mixed enough that I can at least try to be optimistic. Ted Cruz just obviously puts Israel before the United States. Like everyone else.

[Pericles]

even though he is not to be trusted, this sort of talk is great for us.

When the people who are motivated by wanting to be on the winning side come your way ....

[Brett85]

Sometimes he still is. Although, in Rand Paul's case, the signals are mixed enough that I can at least try to be optimistic. Ted Cruz just obviously puts Israel before the United States. Like everyone else.

Rand isn't really "hawkish," but rather just a limited interventionist, as opposed to a complete non interventionist like Ron is.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Huh. Well, like anyone else, actions speak louder than words.

[NoOneButPaul]

Watching Newt during 2012 I always had a feeling Ron was getting to him more than the others. Just something I could sense...

I always sensed Newt was sitting there thinking to himself, "Here's a guy I tried my best to destroy in 1996 and here he is putting up a more impressive POTUS run than me... maybe there's something to what this kook is saying."

I always felt like Gingrich was coming around to us and now it appears, now that the dust has settled and the winds are shifting, he's finally admitting we were right.

Eventually I think he'll preach Ron's greatness and admit he was the best candidate for 2012. Perhaps i'm dreaming but we all know how this goes... i'm reminded of Friedman talking about how you don't need to convince everyone... just enough people to get the politicians moving in the right direction.

[TomtheTinker]

This is what we want to happen, the conversation is moving in our direction and the political shape shifters are the first to move. This will help us alot with talk radio "conservatives" who have preconceived notions about Rand.

[BlackTerrel]

Sometimes people have specific views on policies and when confronted with evidence that those policies are ineffective they change their views. I've done that multiple times in my life.

Could be Newt is doing that. Or he plots all day how to "co-opt the liberty movement".

[FrankRep]

Sometimes people have specific views on policies and when confronted with evidence that those policies are ineffective they change their views. I've done that multiple times in my life.

Could be Newt is doing that. Or he plots all day how to "co-opt the liberty movement".

Newt Gingrich still calls himself a Neoconservative. I just wanted to point that out.

[torchbearer]

Newt Gingrich still calls himself a Neoconservative. I just wanted to point that out.

true.
now that you mention that-
Newt is genius.
He is showing the other neocons how to defeat us.
Pretend to be us.

[Dary]

So does this mean that Newt doesn't think of us as indecent anymore?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plldT15rOMk

Fuck you Newt.

Until we get a full and complete apology and see you actually have a real change of heart, fuck you.

Newt Gingrich judging us. pffft

[FrankRep]

Every time Newt claims to have changed his ways, I'll be forced to post this video.


The Real Newt Gingrich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnwZ3CLPlnY)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnwZ3CLPlnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnwZ3CLPlnY


John F. McManus analyzes the voting record and actions of former Congressman Newt Gingrich, revealing that Gingrich is not the conservative he portrays himself to be.


Newt Gingrich: The Establishment’s Conservative (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/2810-newt-gingrich-the-establishments-conservative)

An Honest Look at Newt Gingrich (http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/6313-an-honest-look-at-newt-gingrich)

Conservatives Against Newt Gingrich (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/9365-conservatives-against-newt-gingrich)

[Shane Harris]

People here forget that Ron endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in Texas.

People here forget that Cruz endorsed Perry and Santorum over Ron.

[TaftFan]

People here forget that Cruz endorsed Perry and Santorum over Ron.

Not true.

[Brett85]

People here forget that Cruz endorsed Perry and Santorum over Ron.

I haven't read anything that states that Cruz endorsed Santorum. But Santorum actually did endorse Cruz, which makes it extremely odd that Santorum and Ron actually endorsed the same person in a political contest.

[Christian Liberty]

I haven't read anything that states that Cruz endorsed Santorum. But Santorum actually did endorse Cruz, which makes it extremely odd that Santorum and Ron actually endorsed the same person in a political contest.

It shows that, at best, he's a mixed bag.

Ron Paul has made plenty of stupid endorsements though. That was never his strong point.

[69360]

gingrich is a smart guy, he knows which way the winds are blowing. who knows what he really believes?