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donnay
08-04-2013, 08:01 AM
Saturday, August 3, 2013
Reversing The Edward Bernays Effect
How to end a century of lies and mass mind manipulation ushered in by one man

Bernie Suarez
Activist Post (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/reversing-edward-bernays-effect.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post %29&utm_content=FeedBurner)

America has been plagued by a powerful mind control tactic which was suggested, experimented with, and fully implemented over a century ago by a man named Edward Bernays. The time has come for Americans to come to grips with the content and theories that Bernays used to influence American history. It’s time to call out the legacy of deceit and manipulation that this man brought to American history; by doing this, only then can America begin to heal from the web of psychological damage inflicted on a nation.

This tactic of psychological manipulation, control and deceit has spawned into a world-wide media propaganda practice (which he personally developed for the CIA) that has proven venomous and destructive, and that has been directly and indirectly responsible for the death of tens of millions of people in the past century alone.

It was the deceptive Bernays who studied his uncle's work (Sigmund Freud) on psychoanalysis and thought through his own theories about human behavior and how to manipulate the masses. When speaking of Bernays we are talking about a man who seemed unattached to human suffering. Bernays seems to have walked through life proud of what he had discovered. There seems to be no indication that he ever actually realized the magnitude of the damage he inflicted on humanity by putting into practice his deceptive mind control theories, to be used for promoting ideas that were not necessarily true and ideas that would be used to control humans. Bernays’ pride seemed to have come from knowing that his predictions about human behavior were correct. There are no indications that he felt any remorse for what he had done.

Despite all of this, Bernays is respected and esteemed in a positive manner by Hollywood and constituents. He seemed to have walked through life under the radar of fame. He managed to manipulate the world, including showing politicians how to sell wars to the general public while millions of innocent people and troops from both sides of the world wars died in vain.

It’s time for America to come together to reverse the Edward Bernays effect. Let’s do what we can to expose the deceptive public persuasion techniques he implemented and let the world know there is a manual on how to lie to the public and manipulate the masses into believing propaganda lies.


3 Steps to take to solve the problem

As a nation we can begin to peel apart the lies and deception of Edward Bernays one by one and tell the public today what Bernays refused to tell them then. Three steps can be taken to trigger the reversal of the Edward Bernays effect:

First step is to educate those we come in contact with about exactly who Edward Bernays was. It is important to note that he was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, the most popular and influential figure in the American psychology books and literature. Understanding who Bernays was will likely shed a very different light on how many perceive Sigmund Freud and his work. It will make you wonder if Freud’s work would even be spoken about today had it not been for his nephew promoting his uncle’s work.

Second step is to realize that although humans CAN be influenced by getting them to respond to unconscious primitive urges, that doesn’t mean that we should be striving to do this. Just because something is possible doesn’t mean we should seek to do it. It is possible to skin a cat alive, it is however, a crime and an immoral, heartless and psychopathic thing to do. Bernays was apparently so manipulative and self-absorbed he managed to stop humanity at the first level of logic which I call the ‘Frankenstein experiment’ level; ‘since it is possible, then let’s do it and see how it works.’ In other words, Bernays agreed to be an instrument of deceit to destroy the lives of many just so he can observe the results and receive the glory of being the master manipulator or more officially the founding father of modern day public relations.

By all standards, humanity recognizes that if someone does something that causes the death and destruction of millions, then that action should be punishable and recognized as an evil or immoral deed. No such case when dealing with a historic master manipulator; Bernays died with more blood on his hands than possibly anyone else in American history, yet he was never tried for his crimes against humanity or was ever in jail for what he did.

Third, once you realize the damage implemented by Bernays’ lies and deceit it is up to you to work toward reversing these lies and deception. Let’s tell the world that truth is not determined by a billboard, a cleverly timed mass media article, a TV commercial, a movie trailer or any stage that feeds information to the masses. Truth is not determined by how you FEEL about it or how the messenger delivers the message. We have feelings and those feeling have NOTHING to do with what is true. Let’s admit that we are all vulnerable to manipulation by messages that are based on emotion and sensation. These emotions and sensations can be manipulated with sound and sight, music and emotional outbursts, powerful speeches and rhyming phrases.

Let’s equally realize that human intelligence, commonsense and reason is a special gift that though it doesn’t serve government much, it serves YOU the individual very much. Edward Bernays could have just as easily studied how the people can manipulate governments or how everyday people can promote themselves to corporations to live dynamic and successful lives. Instead he chose the dark side and gave all his work to government and the process of controlling the masses in such a way that it gave controlling governments all the power to kill and destroy.

Will you be someone perpetuating the Edward Bernays lies? Are you willing to look into this topic and see where this man pulled humanity and America in the wrong direction for over a century now? Think for a minute what this world would be like if we can pull together to reverse the evil etched into the consciousness of humanity by one man? I absolutely believe this reversal is possible and is already in progress. With every passing day more and more people are hearing and wondering a little more about just who this guy was and why do most American have no idea who he was.

Moving on

Enough of the dark theories which have plagued humanity for too long. It’s time to move on from the basic lessons learned. Marketing and public relations are based on lies; all politics and politicians live and die by public relations, lies and carefully timed talking points and sequential messages. The government NEEDS the press and all of its marketing tools to deceive the public into believing what it wants the public to believe. This persuasion IS the matrix of lies and deceit we live in, and this system of cognitive persuasion authored by Bernays IS the very lifeline of the establishment government. To believe anything different is to believe in fantasies and conspiracies.

The Edward Bernays work is a clear record of the cognitive manipulation of humanity. Don’t ignore it, instead confront the reality of it and join humanity as we work to REVERSE this effect for good.

Humanity is gifted with reason and highly intellectual cognitive skills that are far superior to the skills of other animals; yet even animals, many of which are incredibly resourceful, instinctual, intuitive and highly respectful of nature, won’t do some of the things humans do. Will you allow the work of one man erase these incredible skills you are equipped with? Often people speak about waking up, elevating consciousness or going down the rabbit hole of truth and it may just be that these terms refer to simply reversing the Edward Bernays effect. What do You think?

donnay
08-04-2013, 08:05 AM
Take the time to watch this...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rCR8r6vmg

donnay
08-04-2013, 10:10 AM
Much of what we have been told and taught is a LIE. We have to break ourselves from this mind control if there is ever a chance of gaining our liberty back.

I implore each and every one to watch the above video. Reawaken the sleep giant.

Original_Intent
08-04-2013, 10:16 AM
Another good documentary that is largely about Bernays is "The Century of the Self".

The Northbreather
08-04-2013, 10:35 AM
Take the time to watch this...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rCR8r6vmg

This is an excellent doc on the history of mind control

Son_of_Liberty90
10-11-2016, 11:00 AM
This is an excellent doc on the history of mind control

It no longer exists. Sometimes its helpful to title the video you are posting so when it gets taken down we can still track it down.

timosman
10-11-2016, 11:13 AM
It no longer exists. Sometimes its helpful to title the video you are posting so when it gets taken down we can still track it down.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2364198/

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTY4MTMzMDE0OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzI3MzQ0OA@@._ V1_.jpg

donnay
10-11-2016, 11:33 AM
It no longer exists. Sometimes its helpful to title the video you are posting so when it gets taken down we can still track it down.

Post #2 has the title.

Thanks, Timosman.

timosman
10-11-2016, 11:41 AM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/state-mind-psychology-control/



If you don't submit to control, if you're a radical, you're less likely to be loved. You're not fitting in with society; you're viewed as an outsider. There are a lot of social prohibitions about the outsider and the person who's going to upset things. From the time we're very young, we're taught to worship authority, basically, because that's our key to survival as young children. But as adults, we never go through the rights of passage that tell us how to methodically think for ourself, and thus we're always in a state of extended adolescence.

We take all this stuff, whether it's the television or it's the inculturation, the school yards, the teachers... we take this whole system, we put it into our unconscious mind, and it is the GIGO that comes out... Garbage In, Garbage Out. We simply have harnessed our own power by accepting all these beliefs as though they are factual, whether it's the flat earth of Columbus or it's the idea that I'm not good enough to be or to do something I've dreamed to do.

To the degree that the individual loses the sense of what freedom really means for him, mind control is working. Everybody's born into this control structure, everybody's born into authority. Everyone's born into the situation, but just because you have an authority making decisions for you at some point when you're very young, too young to take care of yourself, doesn't mean you should always cater to authority your whole life. We have established a framework which for the most part works pretty good. People enter into this contract with society. That contract allows them to follow certain rules and expect certain returns on their investment of working within the framework of the contract.

Human beings form habits. At some point in our lives, many of us realize that the lives we are living are not those which we have imagined, but rather lives reflecting others' imaginations, as if we have been unwitting actors in someone else's script. Can be the minds of individuals harnessed by systems of psychological control?

Are the habits reflected by human beings in direct conflict with their needs to survive and thrive in this world? The enormous implications deter many of us from asking these simple questions and finding answers relevant to our daily lives. If we don't resist all of the different information that comes our way and weigh it and use our own mind instead of what somebody else wants us to think, eventually society would become nothing more than automatons, robots. The establishment has protected itself. Unless you submit to the saturation indoctrination and adopt all its values, you can't get in. You can get the DVD at Amazon.com. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DZSWI4A/





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyXFxzTELM

wizardwatson
10-11-2016, 12:11 PM
Bernays' real success was creating a sophisticated intellectual jargon that is essentially a euphemism for "the art of lying".

So all those who "loveth and maketh a lie" can feel they've tapped into an higher power or have somehow evolved their "pschological understanding".

Sorry politicians and media devils. You're just a bunch of demonic liars, doing the same thing that's been going on since the Garden.

Your Nazi science is as old and dusty as Beelzebub's nut sac.

donnay
10-11-2016, 12:25 PM
The next issue that needs to be addressed is gas-lighting. Hilliary has a master degree in this.


Sociopaths and narcissists frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but typically are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.[7]

Some physically abusive spouses may gaslight their partners by flatly denying that they have been violent.[4]

Gaslighting may occur in parent–child relationships, with either parent, child, or both, lying to each other and attempting to undermine perceptions.[8]

Gaslighting describes a dynamic observed in some cases of marital infidelity: "Therapists may contribute to the victim's distress through mislabeling the woman's reactions. [...] The gaslighting behaviors of the spouse provide a recipe for the so-called 'nervous breakdown' for some women [and] suicide in some of the worst situations."[9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

donnay
10-11-2016, 06:01 PM
Examples of gas-lighting:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/09/with-nbcwsj-its-not-polling-its-gaslighting-media-manipulation-the-latest-version/
https://www.hotgas.net/2016/03/media-gaslighting-commenter-submission/

timosman
10-11-2016, 08:07 PM
Bernays' real success was creating a sophisticated intellectual jargon that is essentially a euphemism for "the art of lying".

So all those who "loveth and maketh a lie" can feel they've tapped into an higher power or have somehow evolved their "pschological understanding".

Sorry politicians and media devils. You're just a bunch of demonic liars, doing the same thing that's been going on since the Garden.

Your Nazi science is as old and dusty as Beelzebub's nut sac.

+rep

Son_of_Liberty90
10-12-2016, 11:46 PM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/state-mind-psychology-control/





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyXFxzTELM


Thanks I just watched it. You do realize though, this could be used as a counter argument against the 'rational consumer' and how easily we can be manipulated into making irrational consumer choices, which throws off the ideal free market balance. The documentary also argues how becoming a consumerist culture makes us weaker as a people, and destroys the whole concept of advertising as a psychological tool of deception and manipulation.

osan
10-13-2016, 05:39 AM
I am afraid that Bernays was a textbook case of the fear-riddled "trash-Jew". I grew up surrounded by such people - terrified of their own shadows, thereby wishing for nothing more fervently than that "government" make all good and merciless use of its force against the object of their shivering: the "public". Such people are convinced that the "mob" is vicious and mindless and will always make the wrong choices. The approach Bernays took to dealing with his own terror, which was and remains to manipulate the public out of said fear of mobs is precisely what turned the American people into a mob. Now there's a healthy dose of irony.

Such people infest places like Brooklyn and can be identified readily in the ways in which they eye you up and down with fear-driven suspicion and apprehension, which very naturally lead to the hatred. I've met countless examples of this and have found such people to be pathetic in their very fabric. Far more significantly, they are dangerous in the extreme. They are the sorts who would back a Stalin in order to get what they want, not just in spite of who gets hurt, but precisely because they get hurt.

Sadly, one of my best friend's mothers was very much like this and I never was able to develop any sort of relationship with her. His father and I are great friends, he being an example of the non-trash Jew: brave, kind, intelligent, rational, trustworthy. Mama wasn't vicious, mind you, but very fearful and suspicious - therefore not warm. But the typical member of this caste is also very hateful and covetous.

I go through all this descriptive rigamarole that one might understand the basic character of a man like Bernays and why they can never be trusted. Their bottomless dread drives them to violent abhorrence of that which they fear, which is pretty well anyone who is not them. They want those whom they fear and hate clamped down upon for what they so cleverly refer to as "the greater good" (very effective dodge). They are so deeply driven by fear and avarice that they care no whit of consequences to "the others". All that counts is that they get what they want, which is kindred with the so-called "progressive" and goes far toward explaining why so many of these people join those ranks.

Bernays was a devil, born of fear and the willingness to sacrifice anyone in any manner necessary to get what he wanted. He did his job well.

donnay
10-13-2016, 07:36 AM
I am afraid that Bernays was a textbook case of the fear-riddled "trash-Jew". I grew up surrounded by such people - terrified of their own shadows, thereby wishing for nothing more fervently than that "government" make all good and merciless use of its force against the object of their shivering: the "public". Such people are convinced that the "mob" is vicious and mindless and will always make the wrong choices. The approach Bernays took to dealing with his own terror, which was and remains to manipulate the public out of said fear of mobs is precisely what turned the American people into a mob. Now there's a healthy dose of irony.

Such people infest places like Brooklyn and can be identified readily in the ways in which they eye you up and down with fear-driven suspicion and apprehension, which very naturally lead to the hatred. I've met countless examples of this and have found such people to be pathetic in their very fabric. Far more significantly, they are dangerous in the extreme. They are the sorts who would back a Stalin in order to get what they want, not just in spite of who gets hurt, but precisely because they get hurt.

Sadly, one of my best friend's mothers was very much like this and I never was able to develop any sort of relationship with her. His father and I are great friends, he being an example of the non-trash Jew: brave, kind, intelligent, rational, trustworthy. Mama wasn't vicious, mind you, but very fearful and suspicious - therefore not warm. But the typical member of this caste is also very hateful and covetous.

I go through all this descriptive rigamarole that one might understand the basic character of a man like Bernays and why they can never be trusted. Their bottomless dread drives them to violent abhorrence of that which they fear, which is pretty well anyone who is not them. They want those whom they fear and hate clamped down upon for what they so cleverly refer to as "the greater good" (very effective dodge). They are so deeply driven by fear and avarice that they care no whit of consequences to "the others". All that counts is that they get what they want, which is kindred with the so-called "progressive" and goes far toward explaining why so many of these people join those ranks.

Bernays was a devil, born of fear and the willingness to sacrifice anyone in any manner necessary to get what he wanted. He did his job well.

Well said.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to osan again."

Son_of_Liberty90
10-13-2016, 09:23 AM
I am afraid that Bernays was a textbook case of the fear-riddled "trash-Jew". I grew up surrounded by such people - terrified of their own shadows, thereby wishing for nothing more fervently than that "government" make all good and merciless use of its force against the object of their shivering: the "public". Such people are convinced that the "mob" is vicious and mindless and will always make the wrong choices. The approach Bernays took to dealing with his own terror, which was and remains to manipulate the public out of said fear of mobs is precisely what turned the American people into a mob. Now there's a healthy dose of irony.

Such people infest places like Brooklyn and can be identified readily in the ways in which they eye you up and down with fear-driven suspicion and apprehension, which very naturally lead to the hatred. I've met countless examples of this and have found such people to be pathetic in their very fabric. Far more significantly, they are dangerous in the extreme. They are the sorts who would back a Stalin in order to get what they want, not just in spite of who gets hurt, but precisely because they get hurt.

Sadly, one of my best friend's mothers was very much like this and I never was able to develop any sort of relationship with her. His father and I are great friends, he being an example of the non-trash Jew: brave, kind, intelligent, rational, trustworthy. Mama wasn't vicious, mind you, but very fearful and suspicious - therefore not warm. But the typical member of this caste is also very hateful and covetous.

I go through all this descriptive rigamarole that one might understand the basic character of a man like Bernays and why they can never be trusted. Their bottomless dread drives them to violent abhorrence of that which they fear, which is pretty well anyone who is not them. They want those whom they fear and hate clamped down upon for what they so cleverly refer to as "the greater good" (very effective dodge). They are so deeply driven by fear and avarice that they care no whit of consequences to "the others". All that counts is that they get what they want, which is kindred with the so-called "progressive" and goes far toward explaining why so many of these people join those ranks.

Bernays was a devil, born of fear and the willingness to sacrifice anyone in any manner necessary to get what he wanted. He did his job well.

Except according to his writings, he did this out of enjoyment not fear.

Also, it wasnt just governments he was used by mega corporations.

You cant rest sole blame on governments for his influence. Did the government convince us to like smoking or be mindless consumers?

timosman
10-13-2016, 09:28 AM
Did the government convince us to like smoking or be mindless consumers?

Nope, it was something else - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?448000-Bestest-picture-thread-evaar!-(The-trilogy)&p=6332256&viewfull=1#post6332256

timosman
10-13-2016, 09:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z-uYMrWTCc

osan
10-13-2016, 10:34 AM
Except according to his writings, he did this out of enjoyment not fear.

Actions speak louder than words. And his position that the public cannot be trusted to make proper choices also bespeaks fear, his words to the contrary notwithstanding.

I would also point out that the alleviation of fear and be very pleasurable, and therefore enjoyable.


Also, it wasnt just governments he was used by mega corporations.

A form of government in themselves. And it makes all good sense as corporate interests often closely mirror those of government.


You cant rest sole blame on governments for his influence. Did the government convince us to like smoking or be mindless consumers?

Here, the distinction between "government" and "corporation" is wholly devoid of meaning. Look at it as groups of individuals sharing common outlooks and goals. All of a sudden the one becomes identical with the other in all essential respects. The trappings mean nothing.

P3ter_Griffin
10-13-2016, 05:25 PM
I am afraid that Bernays was a textbook case of the fear-riddled "trash-Jew". I grew up surrounded by such people - terrified of their own shadows, thereby wishing for nothing more fervently than that "government" make all good and merciless use of its force against the object of their shivering: the "public". Such people are convinced that the "mob" is vicious and mindless and will always make the wrong choices. The approach Bernays took to dealing with his own terror, which was and remains to manipulate the public out of said fear of mobs is precisely what turned the American people into a mob. Now there's a healthy dose of irony.

Such people infest places like Brooklyn and can be identified readily in the ways in which they eye you up and down with fear-driven suspicion and apprehension, which very naturally lead to the hatred. I've met countless examples of this and have found such people to be pathetic in their very fabric. Far more significantly, they are dangerous in the extreme. They are the sorts who would back a Stalin in order to get what they want, not just in spite of who gets hurt, but precisely because they get hurt.

Sadly, one of my best friend's mothers was very much like this and I never was able to develop any sort of relationship with her. His father and I are great friends, he being an example of the non-trash Jew: brave, kind, intelligent, rational, trustworthy. Mama wasn't vicious, mind you, but very fearful and suspicious - therefore not warm. But the typical member of this caste is also very hateful and covetous.

I go through all this descriptive rigamarole that one might understand the basic character of a man like Bernays and why they can never be trusted. Their bottomless dread drives them to violent abhorrence of that which they fear, which is pretty well anyone who is not them. They want those whom they fear and hate clamped down upon for what they so cleverly refer to as "the greater good" (very effective dodge). They are so deeply driven by fear and avarice that they care no whit of consequences to "the others". All that counts is that they get what they want, which is kindred with the so-called "progressive" and goes far toward explaining why so many of these people join those ranks.

Bernays was a devil, born of fear and the willingness to sacrifice anyone in any manner necessary to get what he wanted. He did his job well.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?500300-Forget-Immigration-It-s-Big-Government-Hispanic-Voters-Want&p=6328435&viewfull=1#post6328435

Son_of_Liberty90
10-17-2016, 07:09 AM
Actions speak louder than words. And his position that the public cannot be trusted to make proper choices also bespeaks fear, his words to the contrary notwithstanding.

I would also point out that the alleviation of fear and be very pleasurable, and therefore enjoyable.



A form of government in themselves. And it makes all good sense as corporate interests often closely mirror those of government.



Here, the distinction between "government" and "corporation" is wholly devoid of meaning. Look at it as groups of individuals sharing common outlooks and goals. All of a sudden the one becomes identical with the other in all essential respects. The trappings mean nothing.

"corporate interests often closely mirror those of government."

Are you saying corporations are anti-free market? I feel like many on RPF would disagree with you there.

Son_of_Liberty90
10-17-2016, 07:13 AM
Actions speak louder than words. And his position that the public cannot be trusted to make proper choices also bespeaks fear, his words to the contrary notwithstanding.

I would also point out that the alleviation of fear and be very pleasurable, and therefore enjoyable.



A form of government in themselves. And it makes all good sense as corporate interests often closely mirror those of government.



Here, the distinction between "government" and "corporation" is wholly devoid of meaning. Look at it as groups of individuals sharing common outlooks and goals. All of a sudden the one becomes identical with the other in all essential respects. The trappings mean nothing.

So like today where Google = government?

osan
10-17-2016, 08:04 AM
"corporate interests often closely mirror those of government."

Are you saying corporations are anti-free market? I feel like many on RPF would disagree with you there.

Read carefully. I wrote OFTEN. And yes, there are those companies that are decidedly anti-free market where any threats to their power and position are concerned. There are endless examples of corporate-sponsored legislation has been enacted in order to protect those interests, for instance. Things go a lot further than that, too.

But I was also speaking more generally in terms of habit. The object of all government is power, which is the end it typically seeks for its own sake, which is to say that of power. The same may be said of some corporate entities. And why should it not be so? There is no such thing as either "government" or "corporation", save that they are scripts that define plays in which certain people have parts and to which those people devote their performances.

That is all any of this political bullshit is: a giant play in which we have our parts. When we play them "properly" (i.e., according to the script authors' specifications), we are rewarded. When we do not, we are dismissed, punished, and our roles given to someone perhaps more deserving.

This entire clockwork of human political interaction is a humongous, steaming pile of feces; it is complete and utter nonsense and lies, backed with the force of men with guns to make sure all actors do as they are bid.

osan
10-17-2016, 08:06 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?500300-Forget-Immigration-It-s-Big-Government-Hispanic-Voters-Want&p=6328435&viewfull=1#post6328435

Your point?

P3ter_Griffin
10-17-2016, 01:51 PM
Your point?

I thought that linking to an example of the propaganda you were talking about might help the readers better understand what you're saying. Teamwork ya know, or something like that.

r3volution 3.0
10-17-2016, 02:30 PM
Bernays' real success was creating a sophisticated intellectual jargon that is essentially a euphemism for "the art of lying".

So all those who "loveth and maketh a lie" can feel they've tapped into an higher power or have somehow evolved their "pschological understanding".

Sorry politicians and media devils. You're just a bunch of demonic liars, doing the same thing that's been going on since the Garden.

Your Nazi science is as old and dusty as Beelzebub's nut sac.

Indeed, which is why it's naive to think we can "reverse the Bernays Effect."

Bernays didn't make the masses susceptible to Bernays' strategies; he didn't make them so easily manipulable.

He just refined somewhat age old methods of manipulation.

And if he hadn't, someone else would have.

And if all his work were magically vanished, somebody would rediscover it.

osan
10-17-2016, 03:41 PM
I thought that linking to an example of the propaganda you were talking about might help the readers better understand what you're saying. Teamwork ya know, or something like that.

Oh, OK... sorry, but I am often slow on the uptake. My failing.

Thanks.