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green73
08-03-2013, 11:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etw_QSvC2ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etw_QSvC2ag

angelatc
08-03-2013, 11:08 PM
http://shot97.com/2013/08/foster-mother-kills-daughter/

This link has two print versions of the story.

Origanalist
08-03-2013, 11:15 PM
I wish I didn't enter this thread. That is heartbreaking.

heavenlyboy34
08-03-2013, 11:44 PM
:( ~cries a little~ I too rather wish I hadn't come in here. Thanks for the monster story, green. :( :(

Cabal
08-04-2013, 12:18 AM
Another innocent life taken by the State's War on Drugs. Disgusting.

69360
08-04-2013, 04:14 AM
Never let the state have your kids.

I see no difference at all between a parent who has a drink after their kid goes to bed and one who smokes some pot. I don't do either, but I can't see the issue in moderation. One is acceptable and one gets your kid taken?

I would have taken the kid and run and started over somewhere else.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 06:19 AM
rand paul supports this right of states. Rand believes marijuana is dangerous and states have a right to arrest these criminals and prosecute and take their kids away. Rand Paul supports a federal drug war. I DO NOT STAND WITH RAND AND WILL NOT. Under Rands own policy and statements. This will still occur since rand believes in the federal drug war and states having the right to ignore individual rights under rands policy of state rights. f rand over his crap.

anyone trying to say otherwise are just lying to themselves. Rand clearly would support these state actions under his own advocating state and federal drug war policy.

presence
08-04-2013, 06:19 AM
I wish I didn't enter this thread. That is heartbreaking.

ditto I want my country back

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 06:21 AM
ditto I want my country back

what is even more heart breaking is Rand Paul would support this under state rights.

presence
08-04-2013, 06:22 AM
what is even more heart breaking is Rand Paul would support this under state rights.

Drug use isn't a state's rights issue its a religious freedom issue. Rand is wrong.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 06:24 AM
Never let the state have your kids.

I see no difference at all between a parent who has a drink after their kid goes to bed and one who smokes some pot. I don't do either, but I can't see the issue in moderation. One is acceptable and one gets your kid taken?

I would have taken the kid and run and started over somewhere else.

by rand pauls own statements and policy. Rand Paul would support this under state law. It is their right understate law to treat them like criminals as well as federal.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 06:25 AM
Drug use isn't a state's rights issue its a religious freedom issue. Rand is wrong.

rand has lost me as a delegate on this. I wasn't arguing with you i was pointing it out. I WILL NOT STAND WITH RAND. I am sure a pro drug war right winger gop republican will step up and replace my delegate spot and support rand paul.


rand has chosen his side and i have mine. Rand cannot backtrack on this now unless he pulls a obamney(romney) and he loses me there to.

Rand talks out both sides of his ass! i spent 9 years in the gop a delegate 2 times to be let down by rand. the apple fell a lil far for me on this issue and rand is rotten on the drug war.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 06:30 AM
RANDSTANDSWITHTHESTATE!!

Occam's Banana
08-04-2013, 06:37 AM
Good intentions are the only things that really matter.
What happened here was done "for the children."
Results and outcomes don't mean anything.
Move along. Nothing else to see here ...

tod evans
08-04-2013, 06:52 AM
"The Newz" shows the foster parent and tries to lay the blame at her feet.

Equally to blame are each and every government employee involved including department supervisors.

The "Just-Us" department and their CPS arm will throw their sub-contractor, (the foster parent), under the bus in an attempt to alleviate themselves of guilt.

Another case worthy of justice that can never be achieved through the "Just-Us" system...:mad:

Occam's Banana
08-04-2013, 06:53 AM
RANDSTANDSWITHTHESTATE!!

The "pot smoking" aspect of this story is entirely incidental.
If it had not been for that, it could just as easily have been for one of any number of other excuses the State cared to concoct.
You are being obnoxious. Would you please go troll some other thread? Warping this into some kind of opportunity for Rand-baiting is kind of low ...

69360
08-04-2013, 07:10 AM
by rand pauls own statements and policy. Rand Paul would support this under state law. It is their right understate law to treat them like criminals as well as federal.

Really? Take your Rand hate baiting elsewhere.

ronpaulfollower999
08-04-2013, 07:39 AM
I'm pretty sure Ron and Rand both agree that it's a state issue.

Henry Rogue
08-04-2013, 08:13 AM
So it takes a village to raise a child, huh hillary? More like it takes a state to destroy a child.

jkob
08-04-2013, 08:29 AM
From what I know about CPS, they wouldn't take a kid because of parents using marijuana. Maybe it's different in Texas.

torchbearer
08-04-2013, 08:37 AM
Good intentions are the only things that really matter.
What happened here was done "for the children."
Results and outcomes don't mean anything.
Move along. Nothing else to see here ...


thank you. i was going to view the video, but your assurances have left me wanting to google bieber.

Anti Federalist
08-04-2013, 08:39 AM
From what I know about CPS, they wouldn't take a kid because of parents using marijuana. Maybe it's different in Texas.

They called it "neglectful supervision", a handy catch all phrase that can mean anything the state's enforcers want it to mean.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 08:44 AM
I'm pretty sure Ron and Rand both agree that it's a state issue.

Then they would be wrong. It is an authoritarian issue. It is Nation wide and is a national disgrace.

There have been several threads on this,, covering several states,,but all the same problem regardless of the name of the agency.

And several trolls showed up to argue in the "Oathkeeper Baby" thread. and never posted again since.

This is a humanity issue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TcDTJlPWbE

Anti Federalist
08-04-2013, 08:44 AM
http://i.imgur.com/t3e7ibe.jpg

The foster mother and alleged murderer.

Nahh, ain't gonna do it.

I had something all typed up, in an oblique fashion, describing what would happen if the state took my children away to turn them over to a sweetheart like that.

But it really doesn't need to be said, does it now?

Would be a quick news blurb when it happened, and then back to the ball game and AmeriKan Idol.

Nothing to see here, move along...

klamath
08-04-2013, 08:48 AM
From what I know about CPS, they wouldn't take a kid because of parents using marijuana. Maybe it's different in Texas.Sure isn't the case around here. Great deal of the parents around here grow and sell it as well as using it. Not even an issue at all with CPS. Kids pretty well have to be starving and wandering around on the street because the parents are laying on the rat roach infested coach stoned and high on hard drugs before CPS will act.

donnay
08-04-2013, 08:48 AM
Never let the state have your kids.

I see no difference at all between a parent who has a drink after their kid goes to bed and one who smokes some pot. I don't do either, but I can't see the issue in moderation. One is acceptable and one gets your kid taken?

I would have taken the kid and run and started over somewhere else.



On nation under surveillance. Easier said then done.

This is just one of hundreds of cases. The state is not a parent nor should it act like one. We need to divorce it!

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 08:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36rozABiZk

jkob
08-04-2013, 08:52 AM
They called it "neglectful supervision", a handy catch all phrase that can mean anything the state's enforcers want it to mean.


There does seem to be a lot of discretion when it comes to individual CPS agents and their supervisors, you only need one person to have a bug up their ass or them having some other sort of agenda for there to be trouble. The ones that I know seem like good people and wouldn't remove a child unless necessary.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 09:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv42L1XkCBY

Occam's Banana
08-04-2013, 09:30 AM
thank you. i was going to view the video, but your assurances have left me wanting to google bieber.

You're welcome, citizen! Google away - and don't neglect the Kardashians! (My work here is done ...)

Anti-Neocon
08-04-2013, 09:47 AM
rand paul supports this right of states. Rand believes marijuana is dangerous and states have a right to arrest these criminals and prosecute and take their kids away. Rand Paul supports a federal drug war. I DO NOT STAND WITH RAND AND WILL NOT. Under Rands own policy and statements. This will still occur since rand believes in the federal drug war and states having the right to ignore individual rights under rands policy of state rights. f rand over his crap.

anyone trying to say otherwise are just lying to themselves. Rand clearly would support these state actions under his own advocating state and federal drug war policy.
Rand supports getting elected and not being marginalized by the same demagoguery which brought down his father's campaigns.

If Rand took a line that was any more anti-drug war, the neocons would be able to feed him to the wolves.

I definitely don't support his position on the War on Drugs, but I'm thankful he took the position because 2016 is going to be a tough battle, and he can't give his opposition any more ammo at this point.

Warrior_of_Freedom
08-04-2013, 09:50 AM
they charged the foster mother with murder eh??? What about the CPS agents? What about the cops? They gave the kid to them. Their 401ks should pay for his next kid's diapers and college.

tod evans
08-04-2013, 09:51 AM
Why in the Sam Hell is this thread turning into a discussion about the war on drugs?

There's a dead child for Petes sake!

tod evans
08-04-2013, 09:52 AM
they charged the foster mother with murder eh??? What about the CPS agents? What about the cops? They gave the kid to them. Their 401ks should pay for his next kid's diapers and college.

Personally I could abide by their entrails being strung across the entrance to the CPS offices...:mad:

Anti-Neocon
08-04-2013, 09:59 AM
Why in the Sam Hell is this thread turning into a discussion about the war on drugs?

There's a dead child for Petes sake!
If there wasn't a War on Drugs, there would most likely not be a dead child.

So if we really care about the dead children, it is in the best interest of the children that we end the brutality of the system before it claims more similar victims.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 10:03 AM
Sure isn't the case around here. Great deal of the parents around here grow and sell it as well as using it. Not even an issue at all with CPS. Kids pretty well have to be starving and wandering around on the street because the parents are laying on the rat roach infested coach stoned and high on hard drugs before CPS will act.

Tell that to Wilbur GASTON.

CPS made a Kiddy porn video,, and tried to frame him..

Cabal
08-04-2013, 10:05 AM
Why in the Sam Hell is this thread turning into a discussion about the war on drugs?

There's a dead child for Petes sake!

Probably because it was the War on Drugs agenda which lead to the circumstances behind the death of said child.

tod evans
08-04-2013, 10:06 AM
If there wasn't a War on Drugs, there would most likely not be a dead child.

So if we really care about the dead children, it is in the best interest of the children that we end the brutality of the system before it claims more similar victims.

I'm one of the biggest advocates of ending the WOD and publicly punishing its participants but this thread is about how CPS took a child and was complicit in the childs murder.

The WOD was the excuse this time.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 10:06 AM
If there wasn't a War on Drugs, there would most likely not be a dead child.

So if we really care about the dead children, it is in the best interest of the children that we end the brutality of the system before it claims more similar victims.

Actually,, Yes there would. Drugs are just one of many possible excuses that are used.

These children are being SOLD.

69360
08-04-2013, 10:09 AM
On nation under surveillance. Easier said then done.

This is just one of hundreds of cases. The state is not a parent nor should it act like one. We need to divorce it!

Nothing against these people, they probably didn't know any better. But the state would never touch my children. I would do whatever it took to keep them. This is not negotiable in any way, if anyone touches my kids, I don't care what uniform they wear or what title they hold, it would not end well for them.

I'd have no problem dropping completely off grid and starting over.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 10:13 AM
If you have never seen this.. it is worth the time.
Conspiracy of Silence


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck1cj68xiCA

donnay
08-04-2013, 10:17 AM
Nothing against these people, they probably didn't know any better. But the state would never touch my children. I would do whatever it took to keep them. This is not negotiable in any way, if anyone touches my kids, I don't care what uniform they wear or what title they hold, it would not end well for them.

I'd have no problem dropping completely off grid and starting over.


Then on all media outlets will be a WANTED poster for all the do-gooders to keep an eye out for you and yours. See Something - Say Something. Amber Alerts will be activated.

The Propaganda will be told that you kidnapped a child and on the hard drive of your computer (that the officials will confiscate) is all kinds of child porn. Doesn't matter if they planted it. Because this has happened countless times. So many people say they have nothing to hide--yeah, right.

torchbearer
08-04-2013, 10:18 AM
If you have never seen this.. it is worth the time.
Conspiracy of Silence


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck1cj68xiCA

I wrote a piece called A conspiracy of Silence regarding the cover-up of congressmen involved in underage homosexual relationship scandal.

http://righthandthief.blogspot.com/2006/10/brent-sanders-charges-conspiracy-of.html


While Louisiana Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, Libertarian candidate Brent Sanders (http://theponderingamerican.blogspot.com/2006/08/closer-look-at-brent-sanders.html)shows voters how any candidate (or person!) with a backbone and an unshattered moral compass should respond to Alexander's role in Foleygate. Here's a portion of a press release Sanders' campaign emailed me:



For Immediate Release
October 8, 2006

Congressional Candidate Brent Sanders Responds to Page-Gate: "A Conspiracy of Silence."

Earlier today, District Five Congressional Candidate Brent Sanders responded to the ongoing investigation of Congressman Mark Foley (R- FL) regarding his inappropriate contact and vulgar comments to young male Congressional pages. "Representative Foley abused his position of authority. These young boys went to Washington, D.C. to work for their role models and mentors. Instead, they were betrayed by the very people that write the laws to protect them."

Sanders contends that Foley is not the only culpable party. "Silence is an accomplice to abuse," he said. "Our laws mandate that certain individuals are required to report any suspicion of abuse or neglect. These laws include any person who provides training and supervision of a child."

Sanders further stated, "Where is the accountability? These Congressmen had not only a moral obligation, but possibly a legal requirement to report these offenses. Instead of reporting to the proper authorities, who have trained investigators, their first action was political damage control. That is reprehensible."

Although Sanders did not single out his opponent, Rodney Alexander, he believes it is still necessary to investigate the chain of communication that took place between Alexander's office and other members of Congress, including Representative Tom Reynolds, head of the NRCC. "They both have questions to answer."
This is exactly the sort of response we should be seeing from every candidate, and every politician, in Louisiana. Questions indeed "need to be answered". (Though I cannot see a plausible "good answer".) Yet, all we have thus far is a hideous and alarming defense of Alexander by most LA Republicans, and utter silence from the Dems. YRHT salutes Brent Sanders for handling this issue correctly. We hope Sanders becomes an even bigger political "surprise" than Libertarian Zaitoon (http://thethirdbattleofneworleans.blogspot.com/2006/09/zaitoon.html)was in the Insurance Commissioner's race.

Again, for those of you who haven't read the "original" Foley emails that were reported to Alexander, READ THEM HERE (http://citizensforethics.org/filelibrary/FoleyEmailExchangeUpdated.pdf) (.pdf). I've written a condensed version of exactly what happened, only moved from the halls of Congress to Anyhighschool, USA. This scenario might help some people get their minds around what happened.


Student #1: Mr. Alexander, I'm "freaked out" because Mr. Foley emailed me and wanted a picture of me. I think it's sick, sick, sick.... Mr. Foley also commented on my classmate Will's "great" physique, and my friend Kerianna says that she knows of a teacher who is "hitting on students". I wanted you to know about this, because you're a teacher that I trust. Here are copies of the emails that troubled me.

Teacher Alexander: Student #1, I will tell the Principal about Mr. Foley's contact with you but will not show him any of these emails you forwarded to me, because your parents won't want that. I will make sure the Prinicpal tells Foley not to email you again.

Alexander does exactly that, and then other sexually explicit emails from Foley are revealed. There is outrage at the Principal's handling of the matter but remarkably little towards Teacher Alexander. Other Teachers at the school rally to Teacher Alexander's defense. They say they are "proud" of him and that he handled it the best he could.

As a parent, how does that sit with you? What's your reaction to that?

LibertyEagle
08-04-2013, 10:20 AM
SB, you haven't supported Rand for a very long time. You weren't going to be a delegate for him, so quit acting like there was ever the chance of you doing so.

You care about only 2 issues; drug legalization and free healthcare. Everything else can go out the window, as far as you are concerned. Yeah, we got it.

Warrior_of_Freedom
08-04-2013, 10:20 AM
Then on all media outlets will be a WANTED poster for all the do-gooders to keep an eye out for you and yours. See Something - Say Something. Amber Alerts will be activated.

The Propaganda will be told that you kidnapped a child and on the hard drive of your computer (that the officials will confiscate) is all kinds of child porn. Doesn't matter if they planted it. Because this has happened countless times. So many people say they have nothing to hide--yeah, right.
ah yes the good old "He kidnapped his own child" trick

angelatc
08-04-2013, 10:21 AM
rand has lost me as a delegate on this..

We get it already. Go find a strain that makes you sleepy.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 10:24 AM
I wrote a piece called A conspiracy of Silence regarding the cover-up of congressmen involved in underage homosexual relationship scandal.

Oh Yeah,, Foley. That's another one. And add in Penn State too.
In the news and then forgotten.

These are not isolated incidents.. It is wide spread,,systemic and ongoing.

torchbearer
08-04-2013, 10:25 AM
Oh Yeah,, Foley. That's another one. And add in Penn State too.
In the news and then forgotten.

These are not isolated incidents.. It is wide spread,,systemic and ongoing.


It goes down the memory hole so quickly.

69360
08-04-2013, 10:29 AM
Then on all media outlets will be a WANTED poster for all the do-gooders to keep an eye out for you and yours. See Something - Say Something. Amber Alerts will be activated.

The Propaganda will be told that you kidnapped a child and on the hard drive of your computer (that the officials will confiscate) is all kinds of child porn. Doesn't matter if they planted it. Because this has happened countless times. So many people say they have nothing to hide--yeah, right.

Of course it has but I'm not stupid like that.

I know enough to destroy the computers, burn the house and car, change appearance, pay cash for everything, don't talk to anyone, travel at night, avoid travel choke points and big cities, etc.

I'm not your average boobus, I'd have at least a fighting chance.

kcchiefs6465
08-04-2013, 10:59 AM
Sure isn't the case around here. Great deal of the parents around here grow and sell it as well as using it. Not even an issue at all with CPS. Kids pretty well have to be starving and wandering around on the street because the parents are laying on the rat roach infested coach stoned and high on hard drugs before CPS will act.
Colorado?

I know here, where medical marijuana is legal but highly regulated, a grandmother's grandson was taken from her.

His mom was in jail for some drug crime and his grandma wanted to adopt him. They gave her the final drug test and denied her because she tested positive for marijuana. They took the kid and placed him in another foster home.

It's more common than you would think.

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 11:21 AM
Colorado?



Every state ( and other countries). If you don't think so, you are NOT paying attention.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 03:42 PM
Really? Take your Rand hate baiting elsewhere.

i state the truth under rands policy. He would approve of thisstates actions, marijuana is dangerous! i am not hating i am repeating rands policy of state rights! so rpf members go f off, sorry your feelings are hurt and if stating what rands postions offends you so much so f'in what, bottom line i respond to mulptiple posts in a thread and i am donwvoted so what but i am no troll for responding and calling out a position which rand paul supports and has made sure he clarified repeatly in the last few months, marijuana is dangerous and it is a state right issue. There fore he would allow this BS to happen under hispolicy. ENOUGH SAID . by standing with rand you stand for this so stop your bitching and do something about it .I am I WILL NOT STAND WITH RAND! i will not respond to anymore posts onthis since if i repsond to 1-5 people i become a troll for repsoonding to these folks or making several posts in between my front desk duties. either way i am a troll now on rpf for calling out rands support on a state rights issue! He would allow this to happen hiding on a fence of state rights, sounds like he learned alot from romney.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 03:45 PM
We get it already. Go find a strain that makes you sleepy.

i get it, you would support rand on this, marijuana is dangerous and states should have a right to do exactly what they did by taking the kid for parents using something safer then alclohol. i get it. I am only stating the obvious and calling out the fence sitter rand "romney" paul. oops i responded to 2 posts now i am a troll for saying truth.

there is a reason why i haven't posted in awhile on rpf or as often. My activism is better spent in Colorado and not wasting my time on rpf and with rand paul or the failed gop. sadly rands positions on this has made me decide to stop wasting my 9 plus years 8 of them being a republican delegate.

speciallyblend
08-04-2013, 03:49 PM
Rand supports getting elected and not being marginalized by the same demagoguery which brought down his father's campaigns.

If Rand took a line that was any more anti-drug war, the neocons would be able to feed him to the wolves.

I definitely don't support his position on the War on Drugs, but I'm thankful he took the position because 2016 is going to be a tough battle, and he can't give his opposition any more ammo at this point.

I hear ya but i do look forward to rand paul back tracking. I bet on it!

klamath
08-04-2013, 06:08 PM
Colorado?

I know here, where medical marijuana is legal but highly regulated, a grandmother's grandson was taken from her.

His mom was in jail for some drug crime and his grandma wanted to adopt him. They gave her the final drug test and denied her because she tested positive for marijuana. They took the kid and placed him in another foster home.

It's more common than you would think.California.

catfeathers
08-04-2013, 06:20 PM
My granddaughter was taken by CPS from my son and his wife(her stepmother) because they said the place they lived was filthy. I hadn't been there yet so I don't know how bad it was really. The worker even said they shouldn't have the microwave on the counter because she might pull it off on her head.

They were living in "R" county. The mother who had never taken care of her and I lived in "F" county. F county investigated both of us and recommended that I get my granddaughter instead of her mother. My son and his wife made plans right away to move back to F county so they would be close to her.

R county held a hearing that my son wasn't notified of. The judge in R county made it clear that he didn't think little girls should be living with the father even though the mother rarely wanted to see her. He gave her custody even after she refused a drug test.

My son finally has his daughter back after several years of neglect and possible SA. For several years he could only see her twice a week and every other weekend while her mother left her with relatives and partied. She was finally caught with drugs in her daughters presence. After not working the plan CPS gave her and getting evicted (again) they finally turned her over to her father. The permanency hearing is next month and I hope it goes well, from what I hear the mother is still homeless and may be in jail.

Two different counties in the same state. One removed right away over a dirty house and the other gave a second chance with drugs in the child's presence.

presence
08-04-2013, 06:36 PM
Fuck the drug war.

bolil
08-04-2013, 07:52 PM
MOTHER FUCKERS, MOTHER FUCKING STATE COCK SUCKERS. Nice, the STATE is an accessory to this MURDER of a CHILD. God help them, all of them, be very quiet less justice finds you mother fuckers. This womans... excuse me... things life is forfeit. You kill a child you forfeit your own life. Have the balls of vag to take it yourself.

AFPVet
08-04-2013, 08:03 PM
They called it "neglectful supervision", a handy catch all phrase that can mean anything the state's enforcers want it to mean.

You're right. In many states, neglect is extraordinarily vague and is interpreted by the enforcers.

angelatc
08-04-2013, 08:36 PM
there is a reason why i haven't posted in awhile on rpf or as often. .

Don't feel obligated to catch up in this thread.

Sola_Fide
08-04-2013, 08:39 PM
We get it already. Go find a strain that makes you sleepy.

Haha!

pcosmar
08-04-2013, 09:40 PM
California.

Ah,, I thought Oregon and posted one from there..
California has stacks of cases.

presence
08-05-2013, 06:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RY5vTcLBnNkWAR WITHIN A BREATH Every official that comes in
Cripples us leaves us maimed
Silent and tamed