Urgent questions for folks with Leftist friends/connections

[BetterCallSaul]

Or rather, perhaps even more generally, for people with an ear to the hi-hop community and urban culture in general.


I will spare you the many boring details for now (though I am open to discussion if you have questions) but I was wondering if anyone here has such friends or networks.

I live in NJ, and am on the fringes of this and that artistic/performer community, is the background that is relevant. Also a fledgling member of some urban initiatives and organizations.

So since moving into these circles, I am bumping up against lots of shadiness- city-organized marches masquerading as grass-roots events, unnamed individuals editing and removing facebook content from multiple pages, and now most offensively...

...people that can't rhyme for shit, being paraded around with half-celebrities (Jay-Z nutsack hangers for example) in Obama's name, and in the name of vaguely Leftist/Democratic issues.

Does anyone with such connections see this trend in their own culture pockets?

It isn't news to me or anything that the architects of the Left use these cultures for this purpose- what is so alarming about it is the extent of the involvement of regular people from the neighborhood (all probably duped) and the direction in which they are moving. The winds whisper menacingly, in other words.

Any feedback?

[Petar]

blackstro-turf

[BetterCallSaul]

Yeah I should have realized that this forum is mostly feeble-minded half-assed racist shit-heels and that no such networks are shared by any members.

One example of a disturbing development is one group's president urging people affected by a not-really-at-all disaster (apartments losing their cooking gas) to "get to go to a facility" as proof that the State cares about them and their living conditions.

Then there's the flavor of Obama campaiging, despite him being, you know, not eligible for another term.

[mad cow]

Yeah I should have realized that this forum is mostly feeble-minded half-assed racist shit-heels and that no such networks are shared by any members.


Got a high opinion of us,don't you.

[Petar]

Yeah I should have realized that this forum is mostly feeble-minded half-assed racist shit-heels and that no such networks are shared by any members.

One example of a disturbing development is one group's president urging people affected by a not-really-at-all disaster (apartments losing their cooking gas) to "get to go to a facility" as proof that the State cares about them and their living conditions.

Then there's the flavor of Obama campaiging, despite him being, you know, not eligible for another term.

Dam dawg, why u trippin?

[Carlybee]

Yeah I should have realized that this forum is mostly feeble-minded half-assed racist shit-heels and that no such networks are shared by any members.




Maybe if you wrote it in such a manner that it was more comprehensible. I have no clue what you are asking...do I belong to a hip-hop group who wants to cut my gas off so I can get free housing and hang out with Jay-Z?

[BetterCallSaul]

If you have such networks, do you note a recent incursion of hidden interests and promotion of more overtly political, white house-aligned rhetoric?

[Carlybee]

If you have such networks, do you note a recent incursion of hidden interests and promotion of more overtly political, white house-aligned rhetoric?


I'm sure there is...elections are coming up so they are probably trying to gather the troops so to speak, through community activism.

[I<3Liberty]

Lefty celebrities are typically the most vocal about their political views as is any average everyday person. A lot of students at my university proudly stuck Obama Biden bumpter stickers on their laptops, but I never saw a Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, or Mitt Romney bumper sticker on a laptop.

Leftist ideology has been mainstreamed and is seen as hip, edgy, and progressive (even though we all know it isn't 100% of the time like these sheeple think it to be.)

We need to make libertarianism more mainstream, so it has the same hip connotations as leftist political beliefs and is no longer seen as a "nerd club."

[Carlybee]

The arts/literary world also leans very left/socialist

[eduardo89]

Anyone remember Mr Perfidy? This guy strikes me as a reincarnation.

[Sola_Fide]

Most of us here are the whitest nerds you ever met.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I am down with the hip-hop community. Hell, I can't wait for the next Vanilla Ice album to drop.

[Henry Rogue]

If you have such networks, do you note a recent incursion of hidden interests and promotion of more overtly political, white house-aligned rhetoric?
I haven't gone to a union meeting in twenty-two years, But they call and send junk in the mail a lot, around election time. Other than that, my wife pretty much has to drag me by my ankles to get me to go anywhere. So, not much of a chance for me to run into statist organizers.

[HigherVision]

I am down with the hip-hop community. Hell, I can't wait for the next Vanilla Ice album to drop.

Word to your mother.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

1954

[Carlybee]

I am down with the hip-hop community. Hell, I can't wait for the next Vanilla Ice album to drop.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTJ_n9Oqs0

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Word to your mother.

Same word back to yours my faux ghetto fellow.

[kcchiefs6465]

Haha.

To be clear, some here are the reason my posts become less and less frequent. A lot of closet quasi-racists and wannabe funny guys. (the internet is full of them) Not a good representation for those seeking change. Trolls aren't usually so blatant. (I'm not referring to the person who just joined) It being off season and all I probably should expect as much.

To answer the OP most all hip hop has leftist undertones. Even those who rap for freedom or justice lean more towards a Noam Chomskey point of view. Many fail to understand the problem being, in most all cases, government intervention and a lack of a free market. They truly don't understand liberty in my eyes, not that I don't listen to the music anyways. Some of the messages are good. Lowkey, Logic, Immortal Technique.. people like that. I can't listen to a lot of the other. It brings you down.

Main stream rap is promoted and pimped to the vulnerable, impressionable youth of the ghettos. You could look into those who own the record labels and their connections to private prisons for starters. A lot is to keep the people down. Antagonize their feelings of an unjust world and direct them towards their narrative. Their elite narrative, that is. You see eight year old kids rapping about being a coke boy and you start to realize the severity of the problem. People here, a general statement as I do respect many here, aren't worried. That is until that little quasi-gangbanger pistol whips them or burglarizes their house. Then I hear calls for everyone being armed and race wars inevitable (lol) while not addressing the underlying issues related to the needless violence and crime.

A fucking joke.

[BetterCallSaul]

Yes I know- what I am saying is, the tentacles of that tendency are surface-evident alongside connected emergent street movements.

[BetterCallSaul]

and wanted to know if others see this in their scenes/on their streets. I doubt that the effort is just local, as some big chief kinda names and faces are becoming part of it and will probably tour the states planting such seeds, leaving little colonies of confortmity culture across the map, staffed by the lackeys and networked with public-assembly bureaucrats and executive-branch pr teams.

[BetterCallSaul]

you should probably also know that the street kind of organizers rep rand paul, but generally hate on the word Republican and instinctively defend Democrats as "theirs."

[heavenlyboy34]

The arts/literary world also leans very left/socialist
Yeah, it tends generally statist in all sorts of ways (right, left, up, down...). :( The good thing is that you don't necessarily have to talk politics in the arts community. It generally distracts from rehearsals and such anyway. There are plenty of propagandists (including myself :cool: ), too...but they're usually most successful in pop art genres. His operas are great, but Wagner's stuff is very complex nationalist propaganda. /ramble

[brandon]

I was kind of in the artsy-hipster white 20-something urban culture back in 2007. I was already pretty skeptical of their pretentious attitudes but their reaction to my support for Ron Paul was all I needed to finally get out of that social circle. Those same people are now nearly 30 and most are still living on food stamps and monthly checks from their capitalist father. Yea, glad I left.

FWIW I am friends with a few leftists and won't let politics interfere with personal relationships, but that certain breed of obnoxious urban hipsters are just too much for me to handle.

[kcchiefs6465]

you should probably also know that the street kind of organizers rep rand paul, but generally hate on the word Republican and instinctively defend Democrats as "theirs."
Good to hear.

I get pissed if someone calls me a republican as well.

As to your other points no one is trying to popularize or groom Rand Paul. I hate raining on parades but come 2015 you will see what I mean. CRA racist implication bullshit and other misconceptions. He hates the poor, and gays, and Juice and what the hell else they can lie about. Probably a couple more pimps given exposés of their whores and support. Tucker Carlson.

It is what it is.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/MjRSHLv.gif

[Sola_Fide]

you should probably also know that the street kind of organizers rep rand paul, but generally hate on the word Republican and instinctively defend Democrats as "theirs."

I'm fairly certain that the "street teams" you are talking about view Rand Paul as a neo-confederate enemy.

[Sola_Fide]

http://i.imgur.com/MjRSHLv.gif

Is that a sloth? Cool!

[Petar]

Haha.

To be clear, some here are the reason my posts become less and less frequent. A lot of closet quasi-racists and wannabe funny guys. (the internet is full of them) Not a good representation for those seeking change. Trolls aren't usually so blatant. (I'm not referring to the person who just joined) It being off season and all I probably should expect as much.

To answer the OP most all hip hop has leftist undertones. Even those who rap for freedom or justice lean more towards a Noam Chomskey point of view. Many fail to understand the problem being, in most all cases, government intervention and a lack of a free market. They truly don't understand liberty in my eyes, not that I don't listen to the music anyways. Some of the messages are good. Lowkey, Logic, Immortal Technique.. people like that. I can't listen to a lot of the other. It brings you down.

Main stream rap is promoted and pimped to the vulnerable, impressionable youth of the ghettos. You could look into those who own the record labels and their connections to private prisons for starters. A lot is to keep the people down. Antagonize their feelings of an unjust world and direct them towards their narrative. Their elite narrative, that is. You see eight year old kids rapping about being a coke boy and you start to realize the severity of the problem. People here, a general statement as I do respect many here, aren't worried. That is until that little quasi-gangbanger pistol whips them or burglarizes their house. Then I hear calls for everyone being armed and race wars inevitable (lol) while not addressing the underlying issues related to the needless violence and crime.

A fucking joke.

Even though you neg-repped me for my "racism", I will have you know that I regularly speak out against the way that the Feds keep blacks under their thumb.

CIA shipping coke into the US, crack into black neighborhoods, targeting blacks in the "war on drugs", gangsta-raps ties to the the prison industrial complex, etc.

People who take themselves and their posts too seriously do deserve to be antagonized though, no matter what their "racial disposition" is supposed to reflect.

DAWG...

[kcchiefs6465]

Even though you neg-repped me for my "racism", I will have you know that I regularly speak out against the way that the Feds keep blacks under their thumb.

CIA shipping coke into the US, crack into black neighborhoods, targeting blacks in the "war on drugs", gangsta-raps ties to the the prison industrial complex, etc.

People who take themselves and their posts too seriously do deserve to be antagonized though, no matter what their "racial disposition" is supposed to reflect.

DAWG...
I didn't neg rep you for racism. Why didn't you quote the neg? (for those who care it said, "TFOH")

For what it's worth, should I remember this thread I owe you another, DAWG.

Not for "racism," an overused term which you yourself invoked but because your brand of unfunny, meaningless, trollish, "humor" I don't much care for. Is this a serious forum or reddit? You want to show our asses on who has the best jokes or what? Is this not Grassroots Central? That you feel comfortable posting your bullshit, especially first response, is a well deserved neg rep.

I mean, if this is "funny time" I might have some jokes I can share. Two "blackstro-turfs" are in a car, who's driving?

You're a funny guy right? We all appreciate humor. How about you take that shit to the appropriate venue? Let me know if you want me to start your very own "Petar's super-duper, originally, hilarious joke thread" in Hot Topics. You can rally the trolls, the funny guys, the ignorant, or whatever combination there between to it. As I figured, perhaps I am wrong, this subforum in which this thread lies was about rallying grassroots efforts and serious projects. Way to rally them, funny guy.

[Petar]

I mean, if this is "funny time" I might have some jokes I can share. Two "blackstro-turfs" are in a car, who's driving?

I dunno, Kunta Kinte?

[Carlybee]

Yeah, it tends generally statist in all sorts of ways (right, left, up, down...). :( The good thing is that you don't necessarily have to talk politics in the arts community. It generally distracts from rehearsals and such anyway. There are plenty of propagandists (including myself :cool: ), too...but they're usually most successful in pop art genres. His operas are great, but Wagner's stuff is very complex nationalist propaganda. /ramble

Yeah face to face you don't have to talk it but on social media it is there, if you use social media to promote yourself or to interact with others in the same field. I am a member of several online writing communities and sometimes I just have to take a break for days whenever there is some big political event in the news because everyone is suddenly an "activist"....whereas in reality...they are either parroting something they got off their email list from some group or they just find something that offends their agenda du jour...which can be anything from the Tar Sands issue to the Trayvon issue to the Texas sucks because of Rick Perry issue to everything in life should be free..well just because.

[Carlybee]

I didn't neg rep you for racism. Why didn't you quote the neg? (for those who care it said, "TFOH")

For what it's worth, should I remember this thread I owe you another, DAWG.

Not for "racism," an overused term which you yourself invoked but because your brand of unfunny, meaningless, trollish, "humor" I don't much care for. Is this a serious forum or reddit? You want to show our asses on who has the best jokes or what? Is this not Grassroots Central? That you feel comfortable posting your bullshit, especially first response, is a well deserved neg rep.

I mean, if this is "funny time" I might have some jokes I can share. Two "blackstro-turfs" are in a car, who's driving?

You're a funny guy right? We all appreciate humor. How about you take that shit to the appropriate venue? Let me know if you want me to start your very own "Petar's super-duper, originally, hilarious joke thread" in Hot Topics. You can rally the trolls, the funny guys, the ignorant, or whatever combination there between to it. As I figured, perhaps I am wrong, this subforum in which this thread lies was about rallying grassroots efforts and serious projects. Way to rally them, funny guy.


Lighten up. Sometimes we have to laugh at ourselves and others in order to maintain some level of sanity in this world.