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Schifference
07-29-2013, 02:11 PM
For many years anyone that went online knew that their searching/browsing history was being monitored. Go to any site and look up an item & the next thing you know there are many pop ups or ads for the items you were searching for. Why was it OK for all these search engines to sell our information to private industry? Was that not a violation of our privacy?

UWDude
07-29-2013, 02:14 PM
Because you agreed to it in the EULA.
You did not agree to give it to the government in the EULA.
Most companies will not try character assassination campaigns.
Most companies do not have actual access to your email content and phone calls.
And finally, most companies can not get you thrown in jail for saying they suck.
And while spam sucks, it sucks more to have cointelpro 2.0 interfering in your life, making it horrible, or infiltrating your action group and encouraging violence, or putting you on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists, becaus ethey read something in a private email they didn't like.

And I say most, because there are juggernauts that have the American judicial system by the balls, like Bank Of America.

Schifference
07-29-2013, 02:22 PM
Is it wrong to be a stooge, informant, or snitch? Is it about paying for the information rather than demanding that it get turned over to the government for free? What would be the difference if a stooge company was set up & gathered all this information that "you agreed to in the EULA" and then sold it or handed it over to the government?

UWDude
07-29-2013, 02:43 PM
Is it wrong to be a stooge, informant, or snitch? Is it about paying for the information rather than demanding that it get turned over to the government for free? What would be the difference if a stooge company was set up & gathered all this information that "you agreed to in the EULA" and then sold it or handed it over to the government?

That would be illegal, since it is not the government's place to set up fake corporations to trick people into handing them their information.

Schifference
07-29-2013, 03:25 PM
That would be illegal, since it is not the government's place to set up fake corporations to trick people into handing them their information.
What about a legitimate for profit corporation that is in the business of information choosing to sell said information to the government?

DamianTV
07-29-2013, 03:30 PM
For many years anyone that went online knew that their searching/browsing history was being monitored. Go to any site and look up an item & the next thing you know there are many pop ups or ads for the items you were searching for. Why was it OK for all these search engines to sell our information to private industry? Was that not a violation of our privacy?

I believe it was.

Nobody reads Privacy Policies, and I am one of the exceptional few that does on occasion take a look. What I find scary is just how many sites will not even allow you to view their Privacy Policy without accepting cookies. From a legal standpoint, what this means is that you must agree to their terms of service before even being allowed to know what they are. It would be no different than going to a car dealership and agreeing to buy a car before they tell you how much they want for that car.

It is nothing short of Legal Entrapment.

What I find very sad is that in the Information Age, information itself has more value than any goods we produce or services we provide. This means that instead of consumers purchasing products or services, the consumers are actually becoming the commodities being bought and sold. And for what? So the consumers can be told what to buy? Consumers are still broke, and arent buying shit. So it isnt all for advertising because the consumers are buying less than what they are being advertised. The number of Ads that a consumer is shown has exponentially increased, while the resultant sales from the Ads are decreasing. Basically more advertising means each individual Ad is less and less effective. But Data Mining is cheap. Consumers become the product, packaged and sold between ad agencies.

You are a Data Slave.

Information is always used to influence your decisions. Data Mining is also a form of censorship. Data Mining also does not consider in any way shape or form the tremendous risk that it puts the individual at. With all of this data, supposedly to fight terrorism, eventually, they are going to want MORE. They ALWAYS want more. The Data Mining will be turned against the people for profit. It will result in both people who oppose wars being domestic terrorists, and those that support war being labeled Anti Semitic, or what ever excuse they want. Either way, your damned if you do, and damned if you dont.

It isnt about keeping you Safe, it is about Control.

Data Mining gives others information on how to most effectively tell you what they want your opinion to be. They find out that you are a Ron Paul supporter, they have enough information that they can most likely make you dislike Ron Paul. But they always want MORE. Eventually, in the name of Safety, they will pass laws that prohibit you from bathing without full body armor, and if that body armor is not properly attached, you will be fined. Fines are another measure of Control, while bolstering their profits enabling even more Control. They may even calculate that it is cheaper and more effective for them to dispose of you than it would be to 're-educate' you if they can not control you.

There is a 21st Century Hollocaust coming.

In business, one of the most effective and least ethical ways to get ahead of your competition is to either prohibit competition (monopoloy) or eliminate your competition by force. Now lets just face it: Govt is the polar opposite of Ethics. So they will get rid of you either way, by making it illegal for you to speak out against them, or by elimination by labeling you a Domestic Terrorist and execute you without the Due Process of Law. If you oppose the Status Quo, then you are on their shit list. And you having privacy is a major obstacle to them being able to deal with you. And it applies to both Govt and Corporations. All this data is guaranteed to result in you being on someones shit list somewhere. If you like Pepsi, then Coke is going to at least attempt to deal with you in a way that benefits them the most. But if you oppose the Banksters that we all know damn well completely control the Govt, you will again be dealt with, by the most effective ways necessary.

Back to the original question.

People continue to think that Govt controls and restricts corporations. Bullshit. Welcome to USA Inc. There is no Govt in reality. It is a farce. It is an illusion meant to keep the masses in the dark of having any influence over the course of their lives. People have NO control over their Govts because Govts exist on paper only, and are all completely controlled by the Corporations, and the Banking Corporations will not give up their power to ANYONE, especially you or anyone else who would impose any form of restriction on their powers. That makes you and many others a threat to the Criminal Corporations that control the planet. And the elimination of ALL PRIVACY is a tool that will eliminate any resistance before it can even get started. They have no morals. They have no ethics. All they want is more from you and to keep it. All of it. All this data on you, rest assured that when the 21st Century Hollocaust comes, you probably will not even hear about it.

CPUd
07-29-2013, 03:32 PM
For many years anyone that went online knew that their searching/browsing history was being monitored. Go to any site and look up an item & the next thing you know there are many pop ups or ads for the items you were searching for. Why was it OK for all these search engines to sell our information to private industry? Was that not a violation of our privacy?

The search engines are private industry. They serve their own ads.

The ads you see on other sites that are related to your searches are coming from ad networks- either the ones owned by search companies like Google, or 3rd-party ones.

Much of the information they use to serve you relevant ads is stored locally by your own browser. If you don't like it, this should help:
http://www.ghostery.com/

CPUd
07-29-2013, 03:36 PM
What I find very sad is that in the Information Age, information itself has more value than any goods we produce or services we provide. This means that instead of consumers purchasing products or services, the consumers are actually becoming the commodities being bought and sold. And for what? So the consumers can be told what to buy? Consumers are still broke, and arent buying shit. So it isnt all for advertising because the consumers are buying less than what they are being advertised. The number of Ads that a consumer is shown has exponentially increased, while the resultant sales from the Ads are decreasing. Basically more advertising means each individual Ad is less and less effective. But Data Mining is cheap. Consumers become the product, packaged and sold between ad agencies.



^^ this is why Facebook is overvalued, and people who bought stock in it will lose their money.

Anti Federalist
07-29-2013, 03:44 PM
I can not rep that enough.

I have nothing at all to add, you are correct on every count.


I believe it was.

Nobody reads Privacy Policies, and I am one of the exceptional few that does on occasion take a look. What I find scary is just how many sites will not even allow you to view their Privacy Policy without accepting cookies. From a legal standpoint, what this means is that you must agree to their terms of service before even being allowed to know what they are. It would be no different than going to a car dealership and agreeing to buy a car before they tell you how much they want for that car.

It is nothing short of Legal Entrapment.

What I find very sad is that in the Information Age, information itself has more value than any goods we produce or services we provide. This means that instead of consumers purchasing products or services, the consumers are actually becoming the commodities being bought and sold. And for what? So the consumers can be told what to buy? Consumers are still broke, and arent buying shit. So it isnt all for advertising because the consumers are buying less than what they are being advertised. The number of Ads that a consumer is shown has exponentially increased, while the resultant sales from the Ads are decreasing. Basically more advertising means each individual Ad is less and less effective. But Data Mining is cheap. Consumers become the product, packaged and sold between ad agencies.

You are a Data Slave.

Information is always used to influence your decisions. Data Mining is also a form of censorship. Data Mining also does not consider in any way shape or form the tremendous risk that it puts the individual at. With all of this data, supposedly to fight terrorism, eventually, they are going to want MORE. They ALWAYS want more. The Data Mining will be turned against the people for profit. It will result in both people who oppose wars being domestic terrorists, and those that support war being labeled Anti Semitic, or what ever excuse they want. Either way, your damned if you do, and damned if you dont.

It isnt about keeping you Safe, it is about Control.

Data Mining gives others information on how to most effectively tell you what they want your opinion to be. They find out that you are a Ron Paul supporter, they have enough information that they can most likely make you dislike Ron Paul. But they always want MORE. Eventually, in the name of Safety, they will pass laws that prohibit you from bathing without full body armor, and if that body armor is not properly attached, you will be fined. Fines are another measure of Control, while bolstering their profits enabling even more Control. They may even calculate that it is cheaper and more effective for them to dispose of you than it would be to 're-educate' you if they can not control you.

There is a 21st Century Hollocaust coming.

In business, one of the most effective and least ethical ways to get ahead of your competition is to either prohibit competition (monopoloy) or eliminate your competition by force. Now lets just face it: Govt is the polar opposite of Ethics. So they will get rid of you either way, by making it illegal for you to speak out against them, or by elimination by labeling you a Domestic Terrorist and execute you without the Due Process of Law. If you oppose the Status Quo, then you are on their shit list. And you having privacy is a major obstacle to them being able to deal with you. And it applies to both Govt and Corporations. All this data is guaranteed to result in you being on someones shit list somewhere. If you like Pepsi, then Coke is going to at least attempt to deal with you in a way that benefits them the most. But if you oppose the Banksters that we all know damn well completely control the Govt, you will again be dealt with, by the most effective ways necessary.

Back to the original question.

People continue to think that Govt controls and restricts corporations. Bullshit. Welcome to USA Inc. There is no Govt in reality. It is a farce. It is an illusion meant to keep the masses in the dark of having any influence over the course of their lives. People have NO control over their Govts because Govts exist on paper only, and are all completely controlled by the Corporations, and the Banking Corporations will not give up their power to ANYONE, especially you or anyone else who would impose any form of restriction on their powers. That makes you and many others a threat to the Criminal Corporations that control the planet. And the elimination of ALL PRIVACY is a tool that will eliminate any resistance before it can even get started. They have no morals. They have no ethics. All they want is more from you and to keep it. All of it. All this data on you, rest assured that when the 21st Century Hollocaust comes, you probably will not even hear about it.

DamianTV
07-29-2013, 04:21 PM
Lets just say this: the NSA would be completely ineffective at any form of digital information gathering without the cooperation of ISPs, major websites (facebook, google) and companies that build web servers, like Microsoft, who allow back doors.

If you value Privacy, you are now a Terrorist, even if you were not one before.