Rand Paul oped on HuffPost

[radiofriendly]

School Choice: Part of the Solution to Our Broken Education System

By Senators Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Tim Scott, Mitch McConnell and Lamar Alexander

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-rand-paul/school-choice_b_3660408.html


Despite its overwhelming success -- and basic justice -- many bureaucrats defend their broken status quo, and see school choice not as an opportunity, but as a threat. Our children deserve better than a system that puts bureaucrats' wants before students' needs. Parents deserve better than being forced to pay for policies that trap their own children in failing schools, while denying them the equal educational opportunities that better paid politicians and bureaucrats enjoy.

[compromise]

Lamar Alexander?

[ClydeCoulter]

A high school graduate who goes on to earn a bachelor's degree will earn nearly 100 percent more, on average, then a high-school dropout.

This, from an article on education? THAN damnit!

edit: Doesn't anyone proof read stuff for articles?

[JCDenton0451]

A high school graduate who goes on to earn a bachelor's degree will earn nearly 100 percent more, on average, then a high-school dropout.

He is also 50% less likely to vote Republican lol

Fun, but true: educated people don't vote Republican.

[roho76]

He is also 50% less likely to vote Republican lol

Fun, but true: educated people don't vote Republican.


I think the word your looking for is "schooled" not educated. Educated means you, at some point, analyzed data and derived a conclusion based on facts for whatever subject it is your studying. "Schooled" means you did what you were told and you except the information being passed onto you as fact without further research or analysis, which is the basis of public education. That's why "schooled" children grow up to be democrats, because they are incapable of making critical decisions and only repeat what they've been told. Good doggy.

[jbauer]

Lamar Alexander?

I'm not sure there's enough money in the world to get Lamar out here in TN. He's got a big shinny R by his name and that's all that is needed to win here.

[CaptUSA]

I'm not a fan of vouchers. But not for the typical reasons you hear.

I think vouchers introduce government money into private schools. With that government money comes government rules and regulations. If vouchers were ever to become a full-fledged education system, you would see all kinds of restrictions set on which schools could receive their "voucher funding" and then instead of helping education, you'd be, in effect, turning all of the private schools into public ones. Not a good idea.

School choice is great. Just keep it at that. Instead of vouchers, if you send your kid to a private school, you should get a rebate of the taxes you pay to fund government schools. You'd get the same effect, but without more government involvement. I don't worry about vouchers ruining public education, I worry about them ruining private education.

[neoreactionary]

Fun, but true: educated people don't vote Republican.

This is completely wrong. College graduates are more likely to vote Republican than Democrat. Persons without college degrees are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.

[ctiger2]

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/07/disgusting-rand-paul-co-writes-school.html


As I said before, this is just another step taken by Rand to dilute the libertarian message and tie it in with government operations that has nothing to do with true liberty.

[neoreactionary]

As I said before, this is just another step taken by Rand to dilute the libertarian message and tie it in with government operations that has nothing to do with true liberty.

Please don't link to anything Bob Wenzel writes. The man is a fraud, fool, and intellectual coward of the worst sort. He does not deserve the pageviews or the time of anyone who browses here.

[jtstellar]

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/07/disgusting-rand-paul-co-writes-school.html

pop a joint and you will find your libertarian utopia. it's as little as you're contributing to its realization anyway

wenzel is such a childish collectivist.. i have no idea why he constantly feels rand all the way over there behind a wall of infinity is somehow hurting wenzel's little mojo because wenzel would like to have worded things differently behind the soap screen

[anaconda]

Check out the socialist comments.

[Working Poor]

Check out the socialist comments.

zOMG if you dare

[eduardo89]

Please don't link to anything Bob Wenzel writes. The man is a fraud, fool, and intellectual coward of the worst sort. He does not deserve the pageviews or the time of anyone who browses here.

Yup. He pretended to give a speech at the Fed, when really it was just to two people.

[KurtBoyer25L]

The comments are sad, but remember the Huffpo crowd is tribalist above all else. If Rand Paul wrote an article saying that Bob Dylan wrote better lyrics than some Nazi hate rock band, they would all laugh and talk about how wrong he is & probably accuse him of being friends with the Nazi band.

[anaconda]

The comments are sad, but remember the Huffpo crowd is tribalist above all else. If Rand Paul wrote an article saying that Bob Dylan wrote better lyrics than some Nazi hate rock band, they would all laugh and talk about how wrong he is & probably accuse him of being friends with the Nazi band.

That would be far too sophisticated for the HuffPo commentors.They would limit themselves to : "There's a squirrel on top of his head!" OR "Teabagger!" OR "Racist!"

[green73]

Please don't link to anything Bob Wenzel writes. The man is a fraud, fool, and intellectual coward of the worst sort. He does not deserve the pageviews or the time of anyone who browses here.

Yes, a true austro-libertarian willing to get it on directly with anybody, a real coward that guy. You'd think after 22 million pageviews people would have cottoned on to this "fraud and fool." Welcome to RPF, look forward to more laughs.


pop a joint and you will find your libertarian utopia. it's as little as you're contributing to its realization anyway

wenzel is such a childish collectivist.. i have no idea why he constantly feels rand all the way over there behind a wall of infinity is somehow hurting wenzel's little mojo because wenzel would like to have worded things differently behind the soap screen

That's just so full of brilliance I think I'll just tip my king now. Btw, are you masturbating as you type?


Yup. He pretended to give a speech at the Fed, when really it was just to two people.

An unsubstantiated rumor, that quickly died in libertarian circles. But very interesting that you know about it.


But seriously, the true libertarian position is to oppose school vouchers and charter schools. That's what Wenzel points out. The detractors here don't care about that. They attack Wenzel, which shows the rigors of their intellect.

[neoreactionary]

Yes, a true austro-libertarian willing to get it on directly with anybody, a real coward that guy.

Sure, if by "get it on directly" you mean "spout nonsense and embarrass himself." Listen to his "debate" with Stephan Kinsella on intellectual property. Bob Wenzel is a top-tier candidate for Worst Person In The World.


You'd think after 22 million pageviews people would have cottoned on to this "fraud and fool." Welcome to RPF, look forward to more laughs.

The majority of those pageviews come from people like you - not exactly the cream of the intellectual crop, to say the least.


But seriously, the true libertarian position is to oppose school vouchers and charter schools. That's what Wenzel points out.

Who is the arbiter of what constitutes "the true libertarian position" on an issue? I wasn't aware that libertarians had a king or pope - my understanding was that libertarians were free to make up their own minds and think or believe whatever they thought was right.

Let us suppose that I support school vouchers and charter schools. Why should I not?


The detractors here don't care about that. They attack Wenzel, which shows the rigors of their intellect.

Would you debate a five-year-old over the issue of whether broccoli should be banned?

Would you debate a neo-Nazi/JCDenton0451 over the issue of whether we should exterminate the Jews?

Dismissing a person who lacks intellectual rigor does not show a lack of intellectual rigor; it shows the opposite. Engaging a person who lacks intellectual rigor does not show intellectual rigor; it shows the opposite.

[green73]

The majority of those pageviews come from people like you - not exactly the cream of the intellectual crop, to say the least.

That makes sense. it is funny that the top libertarian website in the world, LRC, continually links to him. Dumbasses, eh?


Who is the arbiter of what constitutes "the true libertarian position" on an issue? I wasn't aware that libertarians had a king or pope - my understanding was that libertarians were free to make up their own minds and think or believe whatever they thought was right.

Anyone who possesses a firm grasp of logic and morality.


Let us suppose that I support school vouchers and charter schools. Why should I not?

That you have to ask says a lot.




Would you debate a five-year-old over the issue of whether broccoli should be banned?

Would you debate a neo-Nazi/JCDenton0451 over the issue of whether we should exterminate the Jews?

Dismissing a person who lacks intellectual rigor does not show a lack of intellectual rigor; it shows the opposite. Engaging a person who lacks intellectual rigor does not show intellectual rigor; it shows the opposite.

Oh yeah, you're logically sound. Again, welcome to the site and thanks for the laughs.

[eduardo89]

That makes sense. it is funny that the top libertarian website in the world, LRC, continually links to him. Dumbasses, eh?

I wouldn't expect anything else from the bearded buffoon.

Braces for neg rep from green....

[neoreactionary]

That makes sense. it is funny that the top libertarian website in the world, LRC, continually links to him. Dumbasses, eh?

Yes, the majority of people - and the majority of libertarians - are dumbasses. That which is popular may also be dumb. This is twice that you have referenced a person or website's popularity as if it bolstered their credibility. Do you really need a lesson in why that line of argumentation is flawed?


Anyone who possesses a firm grasp of logic and morality.

This is a senseless non-answer. I say: "I have a firm grasp of logic and morality and you do not." Then what?


That you have to ask says a lot.

Nobody is born knowing anything. To learn things, one must ask questions. To spread enlightenment, one must answer them. In response to a request for information, you have opted not for sharing or honest and open discussion, but instead for mockery and ridicule. You have no interest in bettering the world - your interest lies in bolstering your ego by imbibing bullshit that allows you to believe that you have insight into the nature of things that others lack. You are a disgrace.


Oh yeah, you're logically sound. Again, welcome to the site and thanks for the laughs.

I am indeed logically sound; it is you who makes use of argumentum ad populum. You are so lacking in even a basic understanding of how to think well that you have engaged someone several standard deviations to the right of you on the bell curve and walked away ignorant of it.

Good riddance.

[Henry Rogue]

I'm not a fan of vouchers. But not for the typical reasons you hear.

I think vouchers introduce government money into private schools. With that government money comes government rules and regulations. If vouchers were ever to become a full-fledged education system, you would see all kinds of restrictions set on which schools could receive their "voucher funding" and then instead of helping education, you'd be, in effect, turning all of the private schools into public ones. Not a good idea.Good point and not only that, you would see manipulation in pricing. Look what easy credit did to the prices of colleges.


School choice is great. Just keep it at that. Instead of vouchers, if you send your kid to a private school, you should get a rebate of the taxes you pay to fund government schools. You'd get the same effect, but without more government involvement. I don't worry about vouchers ruining public education, I worry about them ruining private education.What about people who have no kids? They get stuck paying no matter what.

[green73]

Yes, the majority of people - and the majority of libertarians - are dumbasses.

http://www.marfdrat.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Chuck_Norris-thumbs-up.jpg

[nobody's_hero]

What about people who have no kids? They get stuck paying no matter what.

That kind of sucks.

[JCDenton0451]

This is completely wrong. College graduates are more likely to vote Republican than Democrat. Persons without college degrees are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.

Ok, I should have said college educated whites are less likely to vote Republican.

Minorities do tend to be overrepresented among high-school dropouts.

[JCDenton0451]

Would you debate a neo-Nazi/JCDenton0451 over the issue of whether we should exterminate the Jews?

Arghhhhh! I see spladle is back with vengeance.

He was banned twice already, how much is too much?

[neoreactionary]

Ok, I should have said college educated whites are less likely to vote Republican.

No, you shouldn't have said that either, because it would have been misleading. College educated whites are still a solid Republican constituency.

http://themonkeycage.org/2012/03/23/voting-patterns-of-americas-whites-from-the-masses-to-the-elites/

How is it possible that someone so clearly possessed of above-average intelligence can believe so many absurdly and obviously incorrect things? Religion and memes sure are powerful, I guess.

[neoreactionary]

Arghhhhh! I see spladle is back with vengeance.

He was banned twice already, how much is too much?

It literally takes about five minutes to make a new account. You can either keep complaining about it like the little bitch you are, or try to live in peaceful co-existence with me. Of course, neo-Nazis aren't exactly well-known for their ability to live in peaceful co-existence with people different from themselves, so . . .

[JCDenton0451]

It literally takes about five minutes to make a new account. You can either keep complaining about it like the little bitch you are, or try to live in peaceful co-existence with me. Of course, neo-Nazis aren't exactly well-known for their ability to live in peaceful co-existence with people different from themselves, so . . .

Can't say about neo-nazis(I have never met one), but the Zionist trolls sure as hell have a problem with coexistence. You proved it twice already. It's a only matter of days before you get yourself banned again.

[neoreactionary]

Can't say about neo-nazis(I have never met one), but the Zionist trolls sure as hell have a problem with coexistence. You proved it twice already. It's a only matter of days before you get yourself banned again.

How are you distinguishable from a neo-Nazi? In what way am I a Zionist? What problem do Zionists have with coexistence?

Why would it matter if I get banned or not? I've already explained that it only takes about five minutes to make a new account. In fact - I'll go ahead and make a new one right now, just for fun.

[neoreactionary]

Okay, so I was wrong about it taking five minutes. It actually only takes three.

[QWDC]

I'm glad both my senators support school choice. It's actually growing as an issue in Kentucky, which is probably why Mitch signed on to this article.

Not only do we not have private school choice, we don't even have public school choice. Want to go to a top-10 school 3 miles down the road instead of the bottom-10 school you live next to? Not unless you want to pay full tuition to a public high school, lol.