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tangent4ronpaul
07-29-2013, 03:40 AM
I was torn as to if this should go directly to HT or start in Education. Let me just say that the author has a comments section on his blog...

-t


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2012/09/07/death-to-homeschooling/

http://www.alt-market.com/images/stories/no_homeschool1.jpg

Like many people who have their first child approaching kindergarten age, I have been thinking about all of our options for next year: neighborhood public school, public French immersion, charter school, private school, homeschool.

But it seems to me that if I am truly committed to living a missional life, then I must enroll my kids in the public school. That is, I am committed to living a life fully invested in what I might call the “Jesus Ethic” or the “Kingdom of God Ethic,” and also fully invested in the society — in fact, you might say that I live according to the Kingdom of God for the sake of society.

In his seminal work on education, Democracy and Education (1916), John Dewey made this point. In an increasingly industrial/technological society, Dewey argued, we learn in order that we may be able to learn. In earlier times, one could learn what it means to be a blacksmith, for instance, by apprenticing under a blacksmith; by the end of the apprenticeship, one had learned pretty much all there is to know about making the metal glow red hot, pounding it into a horseshoe, and sticking it into the water (remember seeing that on an elementary school field trip?).

But things change too fast now for that kind of result-oriented education. Now we must learn how to learn so that we can adapt to our ever-changing environment (ever tried to teach your parent or grandparent to use a computer or an iPod?).

Similarly, formal education was formerly for the societal elite. But in a democracy, education is for all, with the understanding that the more educated we all become, the more humane we will be toward one another (this, of course, is open to debate).

So it seems to me that to withdraw my children from public education is to not play my (God-given) role as a missional member of society — like I can’t just choose to withhold my taxes. We give our children all those vaccinations when they’re young not necessarily to protect themfrom polio (since the chances of any one of my children getting it is exceedingly small) but because we live in a society, and part of the contract within the society is that we will never again let polio gain a foothold.

So I can’t think, “I’ll just pull my kids out of the public schools — what difference will one less follower of Jesus make in a school full of hundreds of kids?” I don’t, as a Christian, have the option to “opt out” of the societal contract. Instead, I live under a mandate to be the most involved, missional societal participant that I can be.

And one more thing. Dewey argues strongly that it is in the social environment that a child learns to learn. Here are the brilliant words of one of Dewey’s successors, George Albert Coe,

“What education does is, in a word, to bring the child and society together. It increases one’s participation in the common life. It puts the child into possession of the tools of social intercourse, such as language and numbers; opens his eyes to treasures of literature, art, and science that society has gradually accumulated through generations; causes him to appreciate such social organizations as the state, and develops habits appropriate thereto; prepares him to be a producer in some socially valuable field of labor, and evokes an inner control whereby he may judge and guide himself in the interest of social well being.”

Christian Liberty
07-29-2013, 07:22 AM
But it seems to me that if I am truly committed to living a missional life, then I must enroll my kids in the public school. That is, I am committed to living a life fully invested in what I might call the “Jesus Ethic” or the “Kingdom of God Ethic,” and also fully invested in the society — in fact, you might say that I live according to the Kingdom of God for the sake of society.

This is a lot like saying that if you want to be fully involved in society, you should brainwash your children to think like society.

In fact, that's exactly what its saying.

Stupid Christian is stupid...

Christian Liberty
07-29-2013, 07:23 AM
So it seems to me that to withdraw my children from public education is to not play my (God-given) role as a missional member of society — like I can’t just choose to withhold my taxes. We give our children all those vaccinations when they’re young not necessarily to protect themfrom polio (since the chances of any one of my children getting it is exceedingly small) but because we live in a society, and part of the contract within the society is that we will never again let polio gain a foothold.


First of all, you absolutely can do that (Refuse to pay taxes) as far as I'm concerned, the fact that armed thieves will force you to do so being aside.

Statist Christian is statist.

So I can’t think, “I’ll just pull my kids out of the public schools — what difference will one less follower of Jesus make in a school full of hundreds of kids?” I don’t, as a Christian, have the option to “opt out” of the societal contract. Instead, I live under a mandate to be the most involved, missional societal participant that I can be.

Programs designed to steal and indoctrinate people to agree with it =/= education.

Henry Rogue
07-29-2013, 09:10 PM
I am committed to living a life fully invested in what I might call the “Jesus Ethic” or the “Kingdom of God Ethic,” and also fully invested in the societyHmm, sounds a lot like collective salvation.


also fully invested in the society — in fact, you might say that I live according to the Kingdom of God for the sake of society.Another fool who confuses state and society.

heavenlyboy34
07-29-2013, 09:44 PM
OP is full of fail. It's a conflation of "schooling" with "education". Plus, Dewey has been thoroughly discredited for some time now by John Gatto.

Matthew5
07-29-2013, 09:52 PM
The ignorance...it's so rampant. From the total misconception of homeschooling, to the state worship, to actually citing socialist and humanist John Dewey as an inspiration.

:rolleyes:

heavenlyboy34
07-29-2013, 10:01 PM
The ignorance...it's so rampant. From the total misconception of homeschooling, to the state worship, to actually citing socialist and humanist John Dewey as an inspiration.

:rolleyes:
Welcome to Amerika. Land of The Unfree, Home of The Slave (and the dumbed-down masses, of course). :(

Sola_Fide
07-29-2013, 10:03 PM
http://tonyj.net/about/

The author is a liberal nutcase. Nothing he writes should be taken seriously. Another emergent church failure...

Matthew5
07-29-2013, 10:59 PM
http://tonyj.net/about/

The author is a liberal nutcase. Nothing he writes should be taken seriously. Another emergent church failure...

Thanks for the link...watched the video series and I understand this article in context much better.

Anti Federalist
07-30-2013, 08:11 AM
“What education does is, in a word, to bring the child and society together. It increases one’s participation in the common life. It puts the child into possession of the tools of social intercourse, such as language and numbers; opens his eyes to treasures of literature, art, and science that society has gradually accumulated through generations; causes him to appreciate such social organizations as the state, and develops habits appropriate thereto; prepares him to be a producer in some socially valuable field of labor, and evokes an inner control whereby he may judge and guide himself in the interest of social well being.”

Precisely what modern "education" does not do.

I saw this article a while ago.

It was fail then, it is fail now.

angelatc
07-30-2013, 08:15 AM
OP is full of fail. It's a conflation of "schooling" with "education". Plus, Dewey has been thoroughly discredited for some time now by John Gatto.

I think the education aspect is secondary. He seems to want his little one to be a missionary.