The Occupy Movemement Failed Miserably

[fr33]

We are well into the summer. Towards the end of the summer actually and there has been no occupy presence. It's dead. It lived for 2 summers before this one.

What did they accomplish? The only thing I can come up with is maybe getting Obama re-elected and Elizabeth Warren elected.

It was useless. I haven't seen any news articles or blogs reading the occupy movement's obituary but it's long overdue.

[Carlybee]

Maybe they had to finally all go get jobs

[oyarde]

Maybe they had to finally all go get jobs

Nah , that is beneath them, they can have someone elses if the get a few more Obummers and Warrens....

[PaulConventionWV]

The occupy movement couldn't have been a failure because it was a joke to begin with. Either way, though, I'm glad it's over. I hated all the dancing people were doing here just to call it part of the liberty movement. What hogwash.

[Cleaner44]

I don't know that it failed because I have no idea what they attempted to do.

[Guitarzan]

They probably have relegated their lives to living out their ideological fantasies on various internet forums.

[fr33]

Half of them graduated and the other half decided they needed to take that internship...

[RonPaulFanInGA]

One of the stupidest "movements" I've ever seen. Kind of sad Ron Paul associated with them more closely than did the other GOP candidates.

[Carlybee]

http://occupywallstdotorg/

[AuH20]

They never got their student debt absolved nor were the oceans ever healed.

[Carlybee]

They probably started questioning where all the money donated to the organizers went.

[Antischism]

The disdain for the "occupy" movement here is sickening. They may not have had a very clear goal or the best organization, but I feel like it's a reflection of the general anger many Americans have nowadays, especially with the bail outs. You get all kinds of people within "occupy," and some are more well-informed than others, but it's a healthy dose of civil disobedience from Americans who know something's very wrong with our country.

In fact, you all sound like Herman Cain in this clip.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96lmfk6qHT0

[AuH20]

The disdain for the "occupy" movement here is sickening. They may not have had a very clear goal or the best organization, but I feel like it's a reflection of the general anger many Americans have nowadays, especially with the bail outs. You get all kinds of people within "occupy," and some are more well-informed than others, but it's a healthy dose of civil disobedience from Americans who know something's very wrong with our country.

In fact, you all sound like Herman Cain in this clip.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96lmfk6qHT0

Umm. You do realize that they were only complaining that their pet interests weren't bailed out as well? This was a glorified temper tantrum of "Daddy, stop ignoring me and hand over the greenbacks." I guess they could get some acclaim for the effort, but their goals were rotten.

[Sola_Fide]

The disdain for the "occupy" movement here is sickening. They may not have had a very clear goal or the best organization, but I feel like it's a reflection of the general anger many Americans have nowadays, especially with the bail outs. You get all kinds of people within "occupy," and some are more well-informed than others, but it's a healthy dose of civil disobedience from Americans who know something's very wrong with our country.

In fact, you all sound like Herman Cain in this clip.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96lmfk6qHT0

Everyone who loves freedom should disdain authoritarians.

[randpaul2016]

Because there was no clear leader

and no clear end game

[LibertyEagle]

Umm. You do realize that they were only complaining that their pet interests weren't bailed out as well? This was a glorified temper tantrum of "Daddy, stop ignoring me and hand over the greenbacks." I guess they could get some acclaim for the effort, but their goals were rotten.

Yes, a good lot of them. But, I also do remember hearing some pretty darned well-informed people speaking in Iowa at one of their meetings. They were talking about the Federal Reserve Bank, etc.

[69360]

they all took a shower and rejoined society

[Kodaddy]

I thought it was an excercise in 'urban camping'....

[KrokHead]

Maybe they had to finally all go get jobs

If they actually got jobs, that's good news for "this economy".

[UWDude]

Umm. You do realize....

Umm. You do realize this is an overused cliche for forum trolls, right?

[July]

Did it dissapear or did it just move off the streets? I don't know, since I didn't really know anyone who was involved with it... but all movements have a life cycle, so I wouldn't expect it to remain as it was. The camping/street protest stage would have only been the first phase of a potential movement, but if it failed to evolve from that, then it probably did die out, or was absorbed into the Democratic Party, and other bigger organizations.

[otherone]

They probably have relegated their lives to living out their ideological fantasies on various internet forums.

Wow. That sounds familiar....

[cajuncocoa]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/225/296/35kg0j.jpg

[donnay]

Because there was no clear leader

and no clear end game

Leaderless resistance is the only way to fight this tyranny. To organize such as this Occupied group did was an invitation for provocateurs which is what happened on many levels that was being reported by MSM.

The message to take away from this is the awareness of people tired of the cronyism that is being passed off as capitalism.

[torchbearer]

they failed the day they drenched ron paul activist in urine.

[Brett85]

The disdain for the "occupy" movement here is sickening. They may not have had a very clear goal or the best organization, but I feel like it's a reflection of the general anger many Americans have nowadays, especially with the bail outs. You get all kinds of people within "occupy," and some are more well-informed than others, but it's a healthy dose of civil disobedience from Americans who know something's very wrong with our country.

There was a poll that showed the majority of the Occupy Wall Street protesters supported the bailouts.

[PatriotOne]

It was useless.

OWS was a Soros funded "revolution". Maybe it wasn't meant to succeed.

[donnay]

they failed the day they drenched ron paul activist in urine.

Was that provocateurs? My point being it is hard to tell. The occupiers I talked to revered Dr. Paul. You would think most occupiers would have wanted the liberty movement on their side.

Provocateurs do their very best to divide and conquer--thus getting people here to think it was a futile attempt in civil disobedience.

[torchbearer]

Was that provocateurs? My point being it is hard to tell. The occupiers I talked to revered Dr. Paul. You would think most occupiers would have wanted the liberty movement on their side.

Provocateurs do their very best to divide and conquer--thus getting people here to think it was a futile attempt in civil disobedience.

For occupiers nationwide supposedly being "awake", they sure don't give Dr. Paul much credit or respect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKckS1WGHCU
Ron Paul being heckled by occupiers...This is the most EGREGIOUS act I have witnessed out of the occupy "movement"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VspMymeW590

[donnay]

For occupiers nationwide supposedly being "awake", they sure don't give Dr. Paul much credit or respect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKckS1WGHCU
Ron Paul being heckled by occupiers...This is the most EGREGIOUS act I have witnessed out of the occupy "movement"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VspMymeW590


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZaNXYSbLQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK3tMKz3PrM

[Carson]

Maybe it will all make more sense some day. I wouldn't call it a failure. It is definitely a piece of the puzzle. Another brick in the wall?

Pink Floyd-Another Brick In The Wall [HQ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxd3pZAVHI


Almost as if the ■■■ were alive and well and operating within the country.

[pcosmar]

Yes it failed.

It was co-opted,, and distorted. and yes,,it failed.

it started here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

It was taken over by by various socialist slanted groups,, and most folks had no idea of it's roots.

http://ampedstatus.com/the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america-part-i/


Yes, of course, we all have very strong differences of opinion on many issues. However, like our Founding Fathers before us, we must put aside our differences and unite to fight a common enemy.

It has now become evident to a critical mass that the Republican and Democratic parties, along with all three branches of our government, have been bought off by a well-organized Economic Elite who are tactically destroying our way of life. The harsh truth is that 99% of the US population no longer has political representation. The US economy, government and tax system is now blatantly rigged against us.

I would recommend reading that article in full. It is very good,, and was the basis for the original folks that started the movement.

[Carlybee]

There were some RP supporters within the movement trying to educate but the majority were socialists. They never got the difference between capitalism and corporatism. Most of the ones I saw on FB still believe that money should be abolished, that all entitlements are a right, and are willing to support any cause that advances that. I saw a post from one the other day and he was complaining that everyone has a right to be on food stamps. This guy doesnt work, is on disability for back pain and is only 30 yrs old. I told him I have lived with back pain since I was 23. He said his back was actually doing better but he now has panic attacks so he cant work, yet he manages to go to the local pub every day. I realize they are not all like that but thats an example of one I know. He manages to "overcome" his disability to go to Occupy events. (or did)

[Snew]

Yes it failed.


http://ampedstatus.com/the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america-part-i/

I would recommend reading that article in full. It is very good,, and was the basis for the original folks that started the movement.

very good article. I followed the movement closely from the beginning, and it is definitely a true statement that it was co-opted a few months in. Occupy really began as a united front against big business and government being so intertwined. Heck, remember all those "End the Fed" signs?
It's frustrating to see so many on these forums group such a wide-ranging spectrum of people into the "lazy socialist" stereotype.

[Carlybee]

very good article. I followed the movement closely from the beginning, and it is definitely a true statement that it was co-opted a few months in. Occupy really began as a united front against big business and government being so intertwined. Heck, remember all those "End the Fed" signs?
It's frustrating to see so many on these forums group such a wide-ranging spectrum of people into the "lazy socialist" stereotype.

I did say I realize they weren't all like that

[Snew]

I did say I realize they weren't all like that

You did; I wasn't necessarily directing that post at you.

[Cleaner44]

The thing I found odd was seeing occupy people bitching about the banks and then suggesting that we elect more socialist Democrat politician to provide more bailouts. I don't understand how an occupy person can support Obama, Ben Bernanke's biggest supporter, and then they pretend to stand in opposition to banks and their politician puppets. If they had some coherent message it sure didn't reach me and that is their failure.

[Carlybee]

From the OWS website:

Occupy Wall Street is a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.
The only solution is WorldRevolution.

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There are a bunch of Occupy websites so it's hard to tell if they splintered or are working together or what.

[thequietkid10]

It's ironic, the tea party movement, an ostensibly anti government movement, had a political message and a political goal and has been successful in getting into the government.

The Occupy movement had no central political focus and has fallen off the map.

[Dr.3D]

I don't know that it failed because I have no idea what they attempted to do.
I get the feeling they didn't know what their goal was either.

[PaulConventionWV]

They never got their student debt absolved nor were the oceans ever healed.

I bleed for the oceans. Sometimes you can still hear them crying out for justice... cooooo... coooooooo... COOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[Cleaner44]

Here is one simple example of a few occupy people complaining about the 1% owning our government and then promoting the delusional idea that the same government will turn against their 1% owners and do the bidding of the 99%. They need to come to terms with one fact of life... government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

[PaulConventionWV]

Was that provocateurs? My point being it is hard to tell. The occupiers I talked to revered Dr. Paul. You would think most occupiers would have wanted the liberty movement on their side.

Provocateurs do their very best to divide and conquer--thus getting people here to think it was a futile attempt in civil disobedience.

Some of the more hippy-minded people in the liberty movement came rushing in later with sign handy and started yelling slogans about liberty and the federal reserve, and that's where everyone became confused about what Occupy was ever about, but just the name Occupy should really make people question its origins. It has nothing to do with liberty, and it was done solely for the purpose of taking up space in a specific location. What kind of liberty activist would ever think of such a stupid idea?

[Ender]

It's ironic, the tea party movement, an ostensibly anti government movement, had a political message and a political goal and has been successful in getting into the government.

The Occupy movement had no central political focus and has fallen off the map.

That's nonsense.

The tea party movement, which began with Ron Paul supporters, was also co-opted and is now your basic neocon variety.

[PaulConventionWV]

Yes it failed.

It was co-opted,, and distorted. and yes,,it failed.

it started here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

It was taken over by by various socialist slanted groups,, and most folks had no idea of it's roots.

http://ampedstatus.com/the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america-part-i/



I would recommend reading that article in full. It is very good,, and was the basis for the original folks that started the movement.

I like how people still pretend to know who originated the movement. Even if it was Anonymous, I still don't think anonymous is liberty-oriented. For one thing, the video mentions tax evasion as a bad thing. There's a reason it was never a big thing while still in the planning stages around here, and something that big would certainly need a lot of planning, which we would have heard about a long time before it happened just like we did with the March on Washington. Anonymous doesn't stand for liberty, that much has become clear already.

[AuH20]

That's nonsense.

The tea party movement, which began with Ron Paul supporters, was also co-opted and is now your basic neocon variety.

Say what you want about the Tea Party, and there has been more than a few defections in Congress seduced by the trappings of personal gain, but without the 2010 wave in the House and state legislatures, an Obama led democratic congress would be passing a series of oppressive laws, from outright 2nd amendment nullification to comprehensive amnesty to EU style tax hikes. The Tea Party has actually held the statists back for a cycle or 2 but I don't know for how much longer. The House, while even being undermined by crooked leadership, is only thing standing between us and absolute tyranny. A good share who voted for the Amash amendment were candidates carried in by the 2010 wave.

[Snew]

Say what you want about the Tea Party, and there has been more than a few defections in Congress seduced by the trappings of personal gain, but without the 2010 wave in the House and state legislatures, an Obama led democratic congress would be passing a series of oppressive laws, from outright 2nd amendment nullification to comprehensive amnesty. The Tea Party has actually held the statists back for a cycle or 2 but I don't know for how much longer. The House, while even being undermined by crooked leadership, is only thing standing between us and absolute tyranny. A good share who voted for the Amash amendment were candidates carried in by the 2010 wave.

The best thing about the TP is that we got Amash during the 2010 wave... but I would say the vast majority of those elected in that same wave have been just as statist as the rest of Congress, just masquerading under a quasi-libertarian label.

[AuH20]

The best thing about the TP is that we got Amash during the 2010 wave... but I would say the vast majority of those elected in that same wave have been just as statist as the rest of Congress, just masquerading under a quasi-libertarian label.

Like it or not, the TP bought America some time. Now we have to decide what we want to do with it.

[AuH20]

The Glorious Leader is still smarting that 2010 robbed him of ABSOLUTE CONTROL:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obamas-states-of-despair-2010-losses-still-haunt-94775.html?hp=t1_3


“They weren’t in the same league as us, and that’s having lasting consequences,” added Reynolds, who represented the Buffalo, N.Y. area for five terms.

It might be the greatest opportunity cost of the Obama Era in terms of sheer damage to Democrats, a gift that keeps giving to the Republicans in the form of GOP-dominated redistricting and a barrage of state actions that challenge Obama’s core agenda on health care, civil rights and abortion.

“Huge pain in the ass, yeah, every day,” is how one senior Obama aide described the GOP’s creation of safe House seats — and the subsequent assaults on Obamacare, abortion rights, gun control, voting rights and municipal unions emanating from suddenly GOP-dominated states like North Carolina, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio.

[UWDude]

It's ironic, the tea party movement, an ostensibly anti government movement, had a political message and a political goal and has been successful in getting into the government.

The Occupy movement had no central political focus and has fallen off the map.

That's because the occupy movement was real opposition, while the Tea party was quickly co-opted and sold out to the old neo-con GOP.



The thing I found odd was seeing occupy people bitching about the banks and then suggesting that we elect more socialist Democrat politician to provide more bailouts. I don't understand how an occupy person can support Obama, Ben Bernanke's biggest supporter, and then they pretend to stand in opposition to banks and their politician puppets. If they had some coherent message it sure didn't reach me and that is their failure.

I guarantee you, in the occupy camp, there were far more "voting, yeah right", and "Republican-democrat are the same thing", than democrats. We protested Maria Cantwell for her vote of the NDAA when she was campaigning in Seattle. By then we only had a few dozen people left.

So, what did the Ron Paul movement do about, and what is the Ron Paul movement doing, about the banking bailouts... ...or is the Ron Paul movement a failure too?


Like it or not, the TP bought America some time. Now we have to decide what we want to do with it.

LoL!!

[AuH20]

LoL!!

You do realize who would control all 3 legislative branches of government right now passing everything imaginable? The 2nd amendment would be essentially gone. Tax rates would skyrocket. Who knows what 3 trillion dollar stimulus programs would emerge. We'd probably be in Syria as well. Gridlock is good.

[UWDude]

You do realize....

Umm. You do realize this is an overused cliche for forum trolls, right?


who would control all 3 legislative branches of government right now passing everything imaginable? The 2nd amendment would be essentially gone. Tax rates would skyrocket. Who knows what 3 trillion dollar stimulus programs would emerge. We'd probably be in Syria as well. Gridlock is good.

It's the old "if democrats were in control, it would be worse" argument. Both parties are EXACTLY the same, save some minor focal point re-direction issues like abortion and gay marriage. Why are you telling me gridlock is good as if that is relevant? WHAT GRIDLOCK? The vast majority of elected tea-partiers are terrifying to me, because they don't give a FLYING FUCK about civil liberties or undeclared aggressive warfare or even the bank bailouts. When it comes time for them to vote, they vote like the good little slaves of the banks, oil and defense companies, that they are. The list of names of all the politicians claiming to be tea partiers or supporting tea party goals is long and ludicrous, if labeled liberty. On the important stuff, the truly civilization risking ones, Washington DC is a streamlined anti-efficiency machine.

The situation in Syria has nothing to do with gridlock. The United States has no more options. What happened in Syria was beyond the control of US government and its crony overlords. It was Russia's counter-hegemonic chess move, with a little square neutralized in Turkey.

[UWDude]

I like how people still pretend to know who originated the movement. Even if it was Anonymous, I still don't think anonymous is liberty-oriented. For one thing, the video mentions tax evasion as a bad thing. There's a reason it was never a big thing while still in the planning stages around here, and something that big would certainly need a lot of planning, which we would have heard about a long time before it happened just like we did with the March on Washington. Anonymous doesn't stand for liberty, that much has become clear already.

You are doing it again. You are labeling a movement based on innuendo and press stories. Now anonymous is an enemy too? Anonymous is a clear ALLY in the battle for truth! TRUTH, first part of the American way! What gives you the right to speak for anonymous? Are you in anonymous? Who speaks for anonymous? Anonymous has a leader or funding of some sort? Or is anonymous what it claims to be... ...a completely leaderless movement. A "do it" movement, not a "other people need to be doing this" movement. So, the answers are "nothing", "no", and "B. Anonymous is what it claims to be."

[AuH20]

Umm. You do realize this is an overused cliche for forum trolls, right?



It's the old "if democrats were in control, it would be worse" argument. Both parties are EXACTLY the same, save some minor focal point re-direction issues like abortion and gay marriage. Why are you telling me gridlock is good? The vast majority of elected tea-partiers are terrifying to me, because they don't give a FLYING FUCK about civil liberties or undeclared aggressive warfare or even the bank bailouts. When it comes time for them to vote, they vote like the good little slaves of the banks, oil and defense companies, that they are. The list of names of all the politicians claiming to be tea partiers or supporting tea party goals is long and ludicrous, if labeled liberty.

The situation in Syria has nothing to do with gridlock. The United States has no more options. What happened in Syria was beyond the control of US government and its crony overlords. It was Russia's counter-hegemonic chess move, with a little square neutralized in Turkey.

Both parties are SAME at the leadership level and upper funding levels. Leadership assimilates new members with the lure of lucrative & prestigious committee posts. Besides this unfortunate reality of a strict top-to-bottom command structure, the parties are nothing alike.

[LibertyEagle]

UWDude, there is quite a bit of difference between the everyday Americans in the 2 parties. There actually are more than a few in the Republican Party who do want our politicians to adhere to the Constitution. Rand is working on unpropagandizing many in the Republican Party right now.

There are far fewer in the Democratic Party. Far few. As long as I can remember their goal has been for more government. That is what the everyday folks in the Democratic Party want. They can see nothing else as a solution.

[Czolgosz]

Pedal to the metal would be a helluva lot better.

[UWDude]

the parties are nothing alike.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[UWDude]

UWDude, there is quite a bit of difference between the everyday Americans in the 2 parties. There actually are more than a few in the Republican Party who do want our politicians to adhere to the Constitution. Rand is working on unpropagandizing many in the Republican Party right now.

There are far fewer in the Democratic Party. Far few. As long as I can remember their goal has been for more government. That is what the everyday folks in the Democratic Party want. They can see nothing else as a solution.
I remember when it was the Democratic party gave a fuck about the wars and civil liberties. It was about 2000, 2001-ish. Oh look, a Republican is president at that time! Is it coincidence?

So now, I see the republicans supposedly caring about wars and civil liberties, when I know most of them, including a vast majority of elected tea partiers, are only doing it because it is a democrat in the white house. As soon as a republican president is elected, they will all kowtow to the next great farce America will call its president.

I actually remember the 1994 rebellion and Contract with America. I remember Republicans chastising Clinton for being "the world's policeman" while cheering Bush in his new war in Iraq.

The parties are exactly the same.

[leverguy]

That's because the occupy movement was real opposition...

LOL!

[Lucille]

"Nobody cares about your fucking drum circles!"
--Doug Stanhope

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yep, The most corrupt, self indulgent government on planet earth and OWS thinks if you stop the 1%, you'll magically make all these criminals, sellouts, prostitutes, order takers, in 'the price is right' politics of Washington DC, follow the Constitution. YEAH... RIGHT... :rolleyes:

Washington DC serves themselves in a very scripted act to the ignorance of the public. It's the same government that passed the McCain-Feingold Act, aka 'keep incumbents in their office forever act with a well crafted bribery system' plus all the other garbage, NDAA, CISPA. Fascism, bought and paid for partnership of government, business, and especially the special interest groups, these 2 mafioso crime families, thrive for power grabs, living it up on the taxpayer's dime... on & on.

A nice example is Nancy Pelosi's life in Washington DC since the 1960s and recently her 'Air Force Fun' with mandatory-voluntary requests for chocolate covered strawberries and Cristal champagne on every flight. Wacko Pelosi who's so paranoid, she ordered USAF fighter escorts on some of her trips within the US! She moved into a new security bunker in San Francisco. It just goes on & on. Those that need the most security, are usually those that have committed the most criminal acts against the people. Every government, no matter the form, leads to corruption and abuse, linear with power/control. There's millenniums of evidence to back it up, but it's the idiots that buy into the 2 polar opposites of these scripted 'Silver-Tongued Devils' bullshit. American groups following the dialectic crafted nonsense, such fools.

PUBLIC SELF-SERVANTS... get back to work serfs


Here is one simple example of a few occupy people complaining about the 1% owning our government and then promoting the delusional idea that the same government will turn against their 1% owners and do the bidding of the 99%. They need to come to terms with one fact of life... government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

[jkob]

Occupy Wallstreet was a protest that was planned on the internet that was almost immediately co-opted by George Soros and various left wing causes. It never was a 'movement' nor did it ever have any coherent message or goal, that's probably why it was so easy for others to hijack the moniker for their own agenda, similar to Anonymous on the internet. The media loved narrative of a left wing populist protest movement as a counterweight to the Tea Party so it got a lot of attention but it was controlled opposition and no one likes hippies so it accomplished nothing and had no real impact.

[fr33]

The disdain for the "occupy" movement here is sickening. They may not have had a very clear goal or the best organization, but I feel like it's a reflection of the general anger many Americans have nowadays, especially with the bail outs. You get all kinds of people within "occupy," and some are more well-informed than others, but it's a healthy dose of civil disobedience from Americans who know something's very wrong with our country.

In fact, you all sound like Herman Cain in this clip.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96lmfk6qHT0

I used to feel the same way toward occupy back when it was occuring. It was a wishful hope based solely upon the "damn the man" spirit the movement was spouting.

But now we have the benefit of hindsight. And it was useless. What impact did it make? The news still talks about 'tea party' on a daily basis. They do NOT talk about occupy.

Leftists are lazy to the core. They want free healthcare, education, and everything else. They will shut up after given a few scraps because their principle is how much can we get away with...

[fr33]

OWS is similar to listening to CSPAN callers. Those callers are always pissed off but for many different reasons.

[BetterCallSaul]

It would have been way better if the generation that remembers it just yawned through more tv instead.

(sarcasm. People hating on Occupy should shut up. Divisive, square bastards)

[fr33]

It would have been way better if the generation that remembers it just yawned through more tv instead.

(sarcasm. People hating on Occupy should shut up. Divisive, square bastards)

Am I allowed to blame you for Obama's re-election? Even though I had nothing to do with his opponent.

[Pericles]

I don't know that it failed because I have no idea what they attempted to do.

Like the 1968 Tet offensive - a propaganda victory in US news outlets, which is what really mattered.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

It failed because they went after the wrong people.

[speciallyblend]

man this thread shows that rpf has turned into a bunch of collectivist, i think is the correct term. what rpf members are doing to the occupy folks is the samething the gop est did to ron paul and his supporters , bravo folks!

[jtstellar]

man this thread shows that rpf has turned into a bunch of collectivist, i think is the correct term. what rpf members are doing to the occupy folks is the samething the gop est did to ron paul and his supporters , bravo folks!

do people still genuinely think, after witnessing all the irs scandals and political agencies abused in various ways, nsa, etc, that problem is still limited to 'money' and wall street, like a 16 year old teen after watching his dozen of hollywood movies would characterize?

you don't just 'buy' a compound bigger than the pentagon out in the desert of nowhere because some corporation decides it wants info on 300 million americans. yes occupy movement died, because it was childish. some members will carry on, but they will mature, and protest will coalesce under a more grown up cause that better describes the problem

[WhistlinDave]

I mostly think the only concrete thing they really succeeded at was venting their anger and frustration. But I also think it's possible that maybe they planted some important seeds, making more people aware on a larger scale of the way the deck is inherently stacked against the "99%," with all the media coverage of their occupying. So maybe they didn't directly accomplish anything, but possibly their efforts might indirectly help bring things to some kind of critical mass eventually, and we'll probably never really know or attribute any of it to them. I do think a lot more people (sheeple?) have given more in depth thought to our monetary system, bank bailouts, government working for the benefit of the big bankers, etc., than they otherwise would've. For whatever that's worth.

[WhistlinDave]

do people still genuinely think, after witnessing all the irs scandals and political agencies abused in various ways, nsa, etc, that problem is still limited to 'money' and wall street, like a 16 year old teen after watching his dozen of hollywood movies would characterize?

you don't just 'buy' a compound bigger than the pentagon out in the desert of nowhere because some corporation decides it wants info on 300 million americans. yes occupy movement died, because it was childish. some members will carry on, but they will mature, and protest will coalesce under a more grown up cause that better describes the problem

I don't think most people have connected all the dots yet to realize that one problem is connected to the other problem is connected to the other problem and all of them are interconnected and part of the same one big problem.

[Weston White]

Nope they are alive and well here in Fresno, CA, all half-dozen of them; with their tents standing tall and proud, right alongside the courthouse in an auxiliary parking lot. The local progressive rag even permits them to post equipment requests from time to time.

[NewRightLibertarian]

man this thread shows that rpf has turned into a bunch of collectivist, i think is the correct term. what rpf members are doing to the occupy folks is the samething the gop est did to ron paul and his supporters , bravo folks!

They're being judged by their own behavior.

[pcosmar]

From the OWS website:


You do realize,, (don't you?) That the OWS website,, and even the Occupy Name was after it was co-opted.

It was after there was little support for the End The Fed,, or end the corruption/collusion that was the original focus and a group called adbusters joined in,,,and took it over.

Sadly,, the first try ,, called Empire State Rebellion only had 6 people show up. :(

[JustinTime]

The disdain for the "occupy" movement here is sickening. They may not have had a very clear goal or the best organization, but I feel like it's a reflection of the general anger many Americans have nowadays, especially with the bail outs.

That's a type of anger I can respect. Early on I was somewhat enamored with OWS because of that.

However, it didn't take me long to realize that the only thing most of these scumbags wanted was to get their very own gubmint cheese. A lot of them came from well-off families anyway, and were actually emulating their fathers behavior, albeit in a cleverly disguised way!

I tried many times to chat with their supporters online and get them to understand that the last thing this country needs is more moochers, but virtually all refused to listen. By the time of the admittedly brutal UC Davis pepper-spraying incident, I just couldn't give a fuck about yet another "revolution" that's was really more of the same.

[TheTexan]

One of the stupidest "movements" I've ever seen. Kind of sad Ron Paul associated with them more closely than did the other GOP candidates.

I had a movement this morning that kind of resembled it

[pcosmar]

That's a type of anger I can respect. Early on I was somewhat enamored with OWS because of that.

However, it didn't take me long to realize that the only thing most of these scumbags wanted was to get their very own gubmint cheese. A lot of them came from well-off families anyway, and were actually emulating their fathers behavior, albeit in a cleverly disguised way!

I tried many times to chat with their supporters online and get them to understand that the last thing this country needs is more moochers, but virtually all refused to listen. By the time of the admittedly brutal UC Davis pepper-spraying incident, I just couldn't give a fuck about yet another "revolution" that's was really more of the same.

That is my feeling when someone mentions "Tea Party".

I remember when it started (right here) and I saw what it became.

Co-opted. :(

[Carlybee]

You do realize,, (don't you?) That the OWS website,, and even the Occupy Name was after it was co-opted.

It was after there was little support for the End The Fed,, or end the corruption/collusion that was the original focus and a group called adbusters joined in,,,and took it over.

Sadly,, the first try ,, called Empire State Rebellion only had 6 people show up. :(

Nope, didn't know that. I do remember some End the Fed people involved but I thought that was after the OWS movement started, as a way to bring light to the Fed and to help educate some of the anti-capitalists.

[AuH20]

That is my feeling when someone mentions "Tea Party".

I remember when it started (right here) and I saw what it became.

Co-opted. :(

The Tea Party did some good things and some bad things. It got Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz elected. On the other hand, Kelly Ayotte, Michael Grimm and others members in the house ran under it's label and eventually succumbed to the power in Washington.

[Legend1104]

Well they did help sell a lot of Guy Fawkes masks.

[BetterCallSaul]

haha true!

The disdain for the OWS movement here demonstrates to me that nothing with the label "conservative" can hope to achieve any obserable positive change in the direction of the decaying (as in already dead and nothing left to conserve) american republic.

The most important criticism I think I have against this sentiment is that most of the people condeming the movement weren't on the street talking to anyone.

Instead of experience with real individuals who were truly disatisfied, frustrated, and engaged in some kind of actual demonstrative behavior in 3-dimensions with their real bodies, yous seem to be reacting emotionally to fox-news filtered, handpicked 16 second sound-bytes, or sarcastic teenager internet memes. Childish, cowardly, soft, declining, hateful, resentful, tight-assed, ruling-class cheer-leader mainstream bullshit.

[Carlybee]

Fine BetterCallSaul, but please explain how they have changed anything? What exactly have they done that has affected change and what is that change? I am open to hearing it. The minute they started espousing socialist rhetoric they lost my interest. I am always puzzled by people calling for change without having an actual plan for change or without even specifying what the change is. When they were screaming down with capitalism on their iPads is what got me. Then I found out the millions of dollars that were donated to them was used to buy a lot of computer and media equipment...presumably from ..capitalists. I just happen to think there are a lot of people out there who like to think they are "activists" but they don't really accomplish a whole lot.

[JustinTime]

haha true!

The disdain for the OWS movement here demonstrates to me that nothing with the label "conservative" can hope to achieve any obserable positive change in the direction of the decaying (as in already dead and nothing left to conserve) american republic.

The most important criticism I think I have against this sentiment is that most of the people condeming the movement weren't on the street talking to anyone.

Instead of experience with real individuals who were truly disatisfied, frustrated, and engaged in some kind of actual demonstrative behavior in 3-dimensions with their real bodies, yous seem to be reacting emotionally to fox-news filtered, handpicked 16 second sound-bytes, or sarcastic teenager internet memes. Childish, cowardly, soft, declining, hateful, resentful, tight-assed, ruling-class cheer-leader mainstream bullshit.

Why would you need to venture out onto the streets to understand OWS's ideas? Communicating online is just as good, better even because you can talk to people in many places, rather than on one street corner.

[angelatc]

very good article. I followed the movement closely from the beginning, and it is definitely a true statement that it was co-opted a few months in. Occupy really began as a united front against big business and government being so intertwined. Heck, remember all those "End the Fed" signs?
It's frustrating to see so many on these forums group such a wide-ranging spectrum of people into the "lazy socialist" stereotype.


They were the lazy socialist types. They didn't object to the bailouts, they objected to the fact that they didn't get one. Occupy worshiped the government. They wanted to separate money from power, but they might as well have been wishing for free unicorns.

[angelatc]

yous seem to be reacting emotionally to fox-news filtered, handpicked 16 second sound-bytes, or sarcastic teenager internet memes. Childish, cowardly, soft, declining, hateful, resentful, tight-assed, ruling-class cheer-leader mainstream bullshit.

You win today's irony prize!!!!

[BetterCallSaul]

doesn't "pitches tent in public thoroughfare and braves tear-gas grenades" =/= lazy...?

[BetterCallSaul]

Fine BetterCallSaul, but please explain how they have changed anything? What exactly have they done that has affected change and what is that change? I am open to hearing it. The minute they started espousing socialist rhetoric they lost my interest.

Really my objection is to the idea that there is this "They" OWS crowd with one idea of anything. Because the opponents of the OWS crowd were obviously not at any Occupations, they failed to notice that most of the people there in the throng were just curious what was going on, and generally, ambiguously enraged.

Any of the stereotypes cited in this threadby opponents were literally created as stereotypes by controlled media depictions.

[BetterCallSaul]

Of course though, having watched the Ron Paul movement decline since 2006 into a neo-con army of proto-fascists, a great many "liberty" people immediately, as prompted by their controlled-media handlers, rally to defend the interests of their corporatist feudal lords.

[fr33]

The liberty movement predates occupy by a few decades and will continue to slug on. Unlike occupy, you never heard much about it in the past from the media. The real shit doesn't get recognized.

[Carlybee]

Of course though, having watched the Ron Paul movement decline since 2006 into a neo-con army of proto-fascists, a great many "liberty" people immediately, as prompted by their controlled-media handlers, rally to defend the interests of their corporatist feudal lords.

The Ron Paul movement are neocons proto-fascists? Could you be more specific? Or are you just throwing that out there. Who are our corporatist feudal lords?

[fr33]

Really my objection is to the idea that there is this "They" OWS crowd with one idea of anything. Because the opponents of the OWS crowd were obviously not at any Occupations, they failed to notice that most of the people there in the throng were just curious what was going on, and generally, ambiguously enraged.

Any of the stereotypes cited in this threadby opponents were literally created as stereotypes by controlled media depictions.

Here's another stereotype to throw at ya. Those who identify as occupiers are more likely to get involved with "justice for trayvon" rallies instead of justice for the people killed in their own neighborhoods. For the most part it was a bunch of hipsters who thought it was cool, then immediately shut up or went for Trayvon after Obama was re-elected.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Really my objection is to the idea that there is this "They" OWS crowd with one idea of anything. Because the opponents of the OWS crowd were obviously not at any Occupations, they failed to notice that most of the people there in the throng were just curious what was going on, and generally, ambiguously enraged.

Any of the stereotypes cited in this threadby opponents were literally created as stereotypes by controlled media depictions.

It's not controlled media depictions. It is their own behavior we are judging them on. Their movement was one of the biggest disgraces in history and thankfully it vanished. They're trying to co-opt this world revolution that is going on right now, but I think they'll be just as successful as their initial movement.

[Ender]

OWS failed?

This guy didn't- made me proud- and woke up a lot of people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZWpPCxmWPc

[speciallyblend]

The Ron Paul movement are neocons proto-fascists? Could you be more specific? Or are you just throwing that out there. Who are our corporatist feudal lords?


He is doing nothing different then the op is doing to occupy. The op is basically being a collectivist by broad stroking folks in occupy. Occupy is a state to state movement just like the liberty movement and sometimes they have cross over issues. for the op to make such a blanket statement on state to state movements and to generalize the people involved in is just as wrong. one word explains the op and anyone trying to broad stroke any movement=collectivists!! everyone of them are individuals including folks in occupy. Many occupy in Colorado are liberty, ron paul and occupy so original op is 100% wrong unless he is a collectivist.

[speciallyblend]

the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

[speciallyblend]

there is a former mod on rpf who lies and says i voted for obama which i never did. This member once in awhile continues to lie and send me a message that i voted for obama. I did no such thing i voted baldwin 2008 and Gj 2012. so might as well blanket me and say i voted for obama. since some dumbass rpf members continue to say i voted for obama.

This thread is for collectivists who broad stroke individuals.

Whoever i support it will be 110%. I suspect i will be looking for a new forum in 2016 to organize for my candidate and colorado activism.

should i let one or 2 people bother me probably not, but i sure do not have to come here and have them accuse me of voting for obama which i never did. At that point i decided to do the same thing i do with msm turn it off. who needs enemies when you have rpf!

[Petar]

I went and hung out with the people at my local "occupy" and discovered that it was populated by true dumbasses with no sincere interest in restoring society.

If you tried to explain liberty to these people then they would completely cower as soon as you started talking about capitalism, or heaven forbid, actually getting involved in politics.

None of them were interested in philosophical consistency, they only really cared about being "in the right scene".

[angelatc]

the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

So much bullshit, so little time. Ron Paul told us to become the GOP establishment. But that's somehow a sin to some of us that would rather hang out with a bunch of dirty hippies with no real plan but some killer bongo skills.

And master the caps key already. Talk like a grown up.

[angelatc]

I went and hung out with the people at my local "occupy" and discovered that it was populated by true dumbasses with no sincere interest in restoring society.

If you tried to explain liberty to these people then they would completely cower as soon as you started talking about capitalism, or heaven forbid, actually getting involved in politics.

None of them were interested in philosophical consistency, they only really cared about being "in the right scene".

The Detroit people wanted to take away other people's property. Note that you can buy a house in that city for $1. But they were not interested in that. They wanted to take away the buildings that still had value left.

The people here singing the imaginary praises of OWS are the same losers that want nothing to do with politics except to get pot legalized. Perhaps the best part of that eventuality will be seeing them disappear.

[AuH20]

If I remember correctly a contingent of Ron Paul people were literally driven out of Zucotti Park. I think they defaced their tent and spread feces in it. So much for trying to illuminate the minds of crap throwing simians. "Banker bad! We want more banana like banker!! Hoo hoo hoo <grunt>"

[Ender]

The Detroit people wanted to take away other people's property. Note that you can buy a house in that city for $1. But they were not interested in that. They wanted to take away the buildings that still had value left.

The people here singing the imaginary praises of OWS are the same losers that want nothing to do with politics except to get pot legalized. Perhaps the best part of that eventuality will be seeing them disappear.

The OWS in Utah were pretty cool- and I don't smoke pot. ;)

[AuH20]

The OWS in Utah were pretty cool- and I don't smoke pot. ;)

From my understanding, the Western version of the OWS was generally more tolerent than the wackos on the East Coast.

[Carlybee]

the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

That's the problem though. I support peaceful gathering to protest preferably with a clear objective but what exactly did OWS accomplish? The majority of them camped out for months, costing tax dollars for the cities, complained about Apple while using Apple products (as an example). It wasn't the American Spring. It had zero effect on legislation as far as I know. They got some of the grievances half right but negated them with the issues they got wrong. If they really wanted to do something they should have been protesting policy that allows for corporate cronyism not capitalism itself. They should have been pushing free market ideals instead of giving the impression they just wanted entitlements.

[Peace&Freedom]

do people still genuinely think, after witnessing all the irs scandals and political agencies abused in various ways, nsa, etc, that problem is still limited to 'money' and wall street, like a 16 year old teen after watching his dozen of hollywood movies would characterize?

you don't just 'buy' a compound bigger than the pentagon out in the desert of nowhere because some corporation decides it wants info on 300 million americans. yes occupy movement died, because it was childish. some members will carry on, but they will mature, and protest will coalesce under a more grown up cause that better describes the problem

Yes, the problem was and is an elite establishment, in this case the Banksters/Wall Street face of it, that through corporate welfare, control of the bureuacracies and the pols, gets away with just about everything, and makes Main St pay for it. The Occupy movement began as a populist left (in sentiment) expression, much as the Tea Party began as a populist right expression of the same sense of injustice at the entire establishment, not just the left or right. Their lament was not so much that of protestors as it was of crime victims, who know the white shoe guys got away with the loot, and are still on the lam. I know many Libertarians in NYC who participated in the main Occupy encampment, who can confirm it was originally non-partisan and not hack-left in nature.

What happened is (like the Tea Party), it got co-opted from within, and marginalized from without wherever it did not assent to being co-opted. 'Professional liberals' afraid of an independent movement during an election cycle, got in and steered the message to a "tax the rich" rant against the GOP, not the 1%. The Occupy protests that were focused around the original goals were shut down by liberal politicians from Obama on down. Just like how the original TP was co-opted by neocons, while demonized as 'racist' or extremist by the media.

The arrests of OWS were meant to scare away the right from joining it, just as the racist smears were meant to scare away the Democrats who were involved with the TP early on, in order to send everybody back to the safe two-party paradigm. The OWS movement was NOT childish any more than the TP was. It was yet another victim of the power elite's co-opt-or-marginalize system for squashing alternative movements. As the Matrix's Architect says: "This will be the sixth time we will have destroyed Zion, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it."

[Carlybee]

Speaking of:

http://www.naturalnews.com/041399_Oakland_hammers_weapons_ban.html

[JustinTime]

That is my feeling when someone mentions "Tea Party".

I think the Tea Party is very different.

The Tea Party (parties, actually) had excellent and clear goals, I mean the whole "freedom" thing seems vague and befuddles some people but to me its crystal clear. Their problem was and is that they just keep electing liars. If I could sum the average Tea Partier up in one word it would be "naive".

OWS's only common thread was "money for this, money for that, money for me", which wasn't a very good goal. If I could sum them up in one word it would be "evil". My second choice would be "clever".


I remember when it started (right here) and I saw what it became.

Co-opted. :(

The name is trashed, the spirit lives on.

[JustinTime]

So much bullshit, so little time. Ron Paul told us to become the GOP establishment.

All of our movements end up co-opted, we need to wise up and co-opt them for a change.

[fr33]

the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

The people defending occupy never want to face the fact that occupy closed up shop immediately after Obama was re-elected. Mission accomplished.

[Peace&Freedom]

The people defending occupy never want to face the fact that occupy closed up shop immediately after Obama was re-elected. Mission accomplished.

You mean, Obama shut down the once independent movement with aggressive arrest actions and anti-encampment regulation enforcement, IN ORDER to get re-elected. Mission accomplished.

[BetterCallSaul]

You mean, Obama shut down the once independent movement with aggressive arrest actions and anti-encampment regulation enforcement, IN ORDER to get re-elected. Mission accomplished

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-camp/anti-occupy-law-passes-nea_b_1343728.html

(that article is from march of 2012)

[randpaul2016]

Leaderless resistance is the only way to fight this tyranny. To organize such as this Occupied group did was an invitation for provocateurs which is what happened on many levels that was being reported by MSM.

The message to take away from this is the awareness of people tired of the cronyism that is being passed off as capitalism.

We discussed why OWS failed in my Sociology class. Not having a leader was just 1 of the reasons

[Ender]

OWS failed?

This guy didn't- made me proud- and woke up a lot of people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZWpPCxmWPc

So, nobody remembers this kid?

We watched him in one of my classes and he totally turned the students on to the Constitution and real capitalism.

[Dr.3D]

All of our movements end up co-opted, we need to wise up and co-opt them for a change.
You would need a powerfully big media outlet to do that.

[fr33]

You mean, Obama shut down the once independent movement with aggressive arrest actions and anti-encampment regulation enforcement, IN ORDER to get re-elected. Mission accomplished.

But there are still protests and other mayhem. Justice for Trayvon and the recent Huntington Beach riot come to mind. No I don't think most people quit occupying because of fear of police. I think the majority of them quit because it wasn't cool anymore and democrats won.

[fr33]

So, nobody remembers this kid?

We watched him in one of my classes and he totally turned the students on to the Constitution and real capitalism.
I remember watching it when it was first posted and several times afterwards. I now think that for the most part he was preaching to the choir on the internet and had no major effect on the occupy movement. That might be one of our favorite occupy moments but I doubt most occupiers would rank it very high.

[otherone]

The op is basically being a collectivist by broad stroking folks in occupy. one word explains the op and anyone trying to broad stroke any movement=collectivists!! everyone of them are individuals including folks in occupy. Many occupy in Colorado are liberty, ron paul and occupy so original op is 100% wrong unless he is a collectivist.

SIGH
"Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group (to "society," to the tribe, the state, the nation) and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force -- and statism has always been the poltical corollary of collectivism." -- Ayn Rand,

[BetterCallSaul]

Here's another stereotype to throw at ya. Those who identify as occupiers are more likely to get involved with "justice for trayvon" rallies instead of justice for the people killed in their own neighborhoods.

Again you are talking about a complex and varied phenomennon from the very narrow window perspective of some conservative controlled media depictions.

At the actual rallies, on the streets and such, among the people just there, and not the hucksters trying to get paid, the actual conditions of the actual neighborhoods and such was the topic of discussion and focus, because a lot of people in the crowd knew kids that got murdered, and understood the connections.

But again, knowing that would require actually venturing beyond your controlled media sanctioned personality profile comfort zone.

[jtstellar]

i'm sure some liberty guys infiltrated ows and were preaching coded monetary reform messages there..

it's not news, in fact many on dailypaul openly issued rally call to infiltrate the ows.. it is zero surprise you find some liberty "individuals" in ows.. WE SENT THEM THERE.. jeez.. many actually tried to infiltrate and were sharing their experience on dailypaul after. i am all for it if ex-ows are now behind the force to nudge democratic congressmen to vote to rein in spying agencies, but if they're now mainly the popcorn crowd just watching rand fighting the neocons with glee, thanks but nah

[NewRightLibertarian]

Again you are talking about a complex and varied phenomennon from the very narrow window perspective of some conservative controlled media depictions.

At the actual rallies, on the streets and such, among the people just there, and not the hucksters trying to get paid, the actual conditions of the actual neighborhoods and such was the topic of discussion and focus, because a lot of people in the crowd knew kids that got murdered, and understood the connections.

But again, knowing that would require actually venturing beyond your controlled media sanctioned personality profile comfort zone.

Newsflash, buddy: The liberty movement isn't going to become an atheistic, liberal national disgrace like the Occupiers no matter how many words you misuse and spell incorrectly.

[Peace&Freedom]

But there are still protests and other mayhem. Justice for Trayvon and the recent Huntington Beach riot come to mind. No I don't think most people quit occupying because of fear of police. I think the majority of them quit because it wasn't cool anymore and democrats won.

Trayvon was not an authentic OWS issue, that's a Obama administration stoked cause (see the FIOA disclosures gotten via Judicial Watch). The co-opted OWS were allowed to pursue Democratic-agenda causes, that were safe from police. The OWS activity that sought to remain independent of major party control got the pepper spray.

[BetterCallSaul]

Newsflash, buddy: The liberty movement isn't going to become an atheistic, liberal national disgrace like the Occupiers no matter how many words you misuse and spell incorrectly.


Can you show me how one disgraces the nation? Humiliating consensual partners excites me greatly.

[UWDude]

The people defending occupy never want to face the fact that occupy closed up shop immediately after Obama was re-elected. Mission accomplished.

Occupy ended ca Dec 2011
Obama was elected in Nov 2012, a year later.

Fact fail 1.



I think the majority of them quit because it wasn't cool anymore and democrats won.

See above, get your facts and assumptions straight....


No I don't think most people quit occupying because of fear of police.

YOu think wrong.

The police took our tents, and it was FUCKING cold.
We were arrested if we tried to sleep or put cardboard on the ground or lay down.
and it was FUCKING COLD.
We were pepper sprayed all the time, and that was not fun.
Most of us were arrested at least once, and that is not a fun experience. Especially when you see the legal bills and bail coming in. Not to mention the trumped up charges that many times were threatening with 20 years in prison.

So, in short, fuck your assumptions. All of them, from the "OWS is a Soros funded communist cnspiracy" to "I think they quit because they democrats won", (a year after OWS disappeared, dumb-ass) to "Nah, I dont think the police taking all the signs, and tents, and allowing nobody to sleep had anything at all to do with the failure of OWS.. nah, can't be" So where was I? Oh yeah, fuck your stupid assumptions.

[UWDude]

Newsflash, buddy: The liberty movement isn't going to become an atheistic, liberal national disgrace like the Occupiers no matter how many words you misuse and spell incorrectly.


Occupy wasn't atheistic. Another stupid assumption and mainstream media pundit assumption. The churches were helping us all the time. Because we were doing the same thing they did... ..help the homeless. They gave us tons of food and we always got our hot water from one of the churches down the street from Westlake park before we moved to Seattle Central and had to find another source.

Yup, I was there, obviously you weren't. Sucks to only have media assumptions when debating someone who was there, doesn't it?

And the state of America is a national disgrace. The bailouts were a million times more disgraceful than the occupy movement. In fact, most of the world was mildly impressed by seeing americans have a modicum of backbone before the police state crushed them.

[eduardo89]

The occupy movement was a failure because the people in it are naïve leftists who think that living in a park and not showering for a month will make the banker controlled government forgive their loans.

[UWDude]

The occupy movement was a failure because the people in it are naïve leftists who think that living in a park and not showering for a month will make the banker controlled government forgive their loans.

The tea party failed because it thought holding a few well funded rallies for fox news and voting republican would make a difference.

It hasn't.

[AuH20]

The tea party failed because it thought holding a few well funded rallies for fox news and voting republican would make a difference.

It hasn't.

The Tea Party is the only reason why we have a 2nd amendment and no amnesty at the moment. If Soetero had the house, this forum may as well shut down. That fucker lost 60 house seats and 1000s of state legislature seats, which capitalized on redistricting.

[eduardo89]

The Tea Party is the only reason why we have a 2nd amendment and no amnesty at the moment.

And Rand, Lee, Cruz, Amash, Massie, Schweikert, Huelskamp, and others in Congress.

[AuH20]

And Rand, Lee, Cruz, Amash, Massie, Schweikert, Huelskamp, and others in Congress.

Tea Party isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but what it did in 2010 is frankly amazing, considering the many enemies it was pitted against.

[eduardo89]

Tea Party isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but what it did in 2010 is frankly amazing, considering the many enemies it was pitted against.

The biggest difference between the Tea Party and OWS is the Tea Party has over 80 people in Congress writing law and influencing policy while OWS had a library made of cardboard.

[compromise]

The biggest difference between the Tea Party and OWS is the Tea Party has over 80 people in Congress writing law and influencing policy while OWS had a library made of cardboard.

They have Elizabeth Warren: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/24/elizabeth-warren-i-created-occupy-wall-street.html

[jkob]

They have Elizabeth Warren: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/24/elizabeth-warren-i-created-occupy-wall-street.html


totally not a communist

[compromise]

totally not a communist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8dE0di30oEM

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The biggest difference between the Tea Party and OWS is the Tea Party has over 80 people in Congress writing law and influencing policy while OWS had a library made of cardboard.

Republicans in congress elected by a bunch of republicans, existed way before the Tea party. The Tea party changed nothing.

And the only policies being "influenced", (such a vague word that doesn't really require facts to back up, nice), are the ones that would have been "influenced" anyway. More defense spending, more money for the war on drugs, more open borders and amnesty, more foreign aid. Nothing, NOTHING has changed. Not one iota. Not because of the Tea Party, and not because of OWS.

The United States is still hurtling on the disastrous path it has been on for decades.