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rg123
06-24-2007, 01:20 PM
Really excellent video could possibly be the #1 priority the way things are developing as we speak Ron is the only candidate to speak against it. I have found it to be a good converter to inspire people to at least look at what is going on





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=847J99MkUdk

angrydragon
06-24-2007, 01:26 PM
I got the goosebumps watching that.

Thanks for posting.

mconder
06-24-2007, 01:40 PM
This video deserves to be another Ron Paul / YouTube hit. Powerful!

Patrick Henry
06-24-2007, 01:41 PM
Really excellent video could possibly be the #1 priority the way things are developing as we speak Ron is the only candidate to speak against it. I have found it to be a good converter to inspire people to at least look at what is going on





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=847J99MkUdk

Wow! Thanks for posting. I am with the poster above me, I to got chills. Good video.

guntherg16
06-24-2007, 01:51 PM
Excellent video.

RJB
06-24-2007, 01:58 PM
I got the goosebumps watching that.

Thanks for posting.

Me too. I was a Marine station just outside of Hiroshima. I toured the museum at ground zero.

There was one scene in that video where they showed a man sitting on a stone step and having a mark left where he sat after the blast. I saw that stone step in the museum.

It sickens me when these politicians "talk tough." while I know they couldn't bear to see first hand what they are ordering!

graystar
06-24-2007, 02:00 PM
Good work.

Bradley in DC
06-24-2007, 02:36 PM
Very distressing and powerful.

xcalybur
06-24-2007, 02:40 PM
I grieve for the people who have died and will die because of preemptive war especially any use of nuclear weapons EVER. Honestly I cried during this video. Knowing that there is a possibility that there is a people on this earth (Iranians) who do not want the government they have and are a peaceful people being wiped off the face of the earth.

A part of me died today.

angrydragon
06-24-2007, 02:43 PM
I'm not a Christian, but it's sad to see the followers of Jesus go against his teachings. They are following their leaders blindly.

Original_Intent
06-24-2007, 02:47 PM
Definitely one of the top ten Ron Pual Youtube videos. Favorited and will be linking to that!

graystar
06-24-2007, 02:49 PM
I agree. I am not religious, but it still moved me. I think it is time you start approaching the religous people in the US.

ButchHowdy
06-24-2007, 02:52 PM
Good video, music way to loud though

xcalybur
06-24-2007, 02:59 PM
I just looked up Iran and found that the oil fields of Iran are in the south, so I know that we wouldn't strike there. Tehran is in the north and is the center of the Iranian economy and the political structure.

THERE ARE 14 MILLION people living in and around Tehran.

If we strike with a nuclear weapon in Tehran it would be the largest massacre in human history, well eclipsing the holocaust.

Wyurm
06-24-2007, 02:59 PM
well, they aren't following Jesus, they are abusing Jesus' name to justify their immoral actions and desired actions. Just like they threaten us with "terrorism" if we don't give up our freedoms, even though they are the ones doing the most terrorism.

One of the key aspects of fascism is the excess of lies. The truth becomes so difficult to find that most of the population becomes jaded and just gives up fighting because they really don't know what to believe anymore. Ron's message is simple and totally based on the Constitution. Not to mention the fact that he just makes sense. We just have to do our best to make sure as many people as possible hear his message, then we wont have to worry about nukes being used in the name of God, and without provocation at that.

Mattsa
06-24-2007, 03:02 PM
I'm not a Christian but that video is excellent

Religion can be a powerful tool for goodness.....in the right hands

Thankyou for posting that

mikelovesgod
06-24-2007, 04:12 PM
The difference is this when it comes to Christianity... there are some Christians that are fideists who believe the only truth comes from the Bible and leaders and there are some that believe in faith and reason. The entire doctrine of the just war falls under the 2nd group, the 1st group just nods their heads and smiles whenever they are told to.

disciple
06-24-2007, 05:13 PM
Alas, if the men of lawlessness and the warmongers only knew; if they only knew.

mport1
06-24-2007, 06:13 PM
I'm an atheist, but this video is amazing. We need to spread it to Christians who do not yet back RP.

LibertyEagle
06-24-2007, 06:30 PM
Anyone know the specific speech that Ron was giving when he was listing the points of what would constitute a "just war"?

angrydragon
06-24-2007, 06:35 PM
Anyone know the specific speech that Ron was giving when he was listing the points of what would constitute a "just war"?

Why Are Americans So Angry?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2075686410728803039 video

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul331.html text

wecandoit
06-24-2007, 06:36 PM
The bible speaks a lot about "wolves in sheeps clothing" and those who will come in Christ's name but will be of satan. (aka.. antichrists, plural)

I've been saying that the good Christian people of this country, who have been fooled by the neocons, are really the ones we need to get on board.

I'm fixing to view this video, I hope it proves to be a good tool.

My hero list.

1. Jesus
2. Dad
3. Ron Paul
4. Ronnie Van Zant
5. Darren McFadden (running back for the Razorbacks)

LibertyEagle
06-24-2007, 06:40 PM
Hey, thanks AngryDragon!

JoshLowry
06-24-2007, 06:56 PM
My hero list.

1. Jesus
2. Dad
3. Ron Paul


This would make an awesome rally sign.

CJLauderdale4
06-24-2007, 07:02 PM
Me too. I was a Marine station just outside of Hiroshima. I toured the museum at ground zero.

There was one scene in that video where they showed a man sitting on a stone step and having a mark left where he sat after the blast. I saw that stone step in the museum.

It sickens me when these politicians "talk tough." while I know they couldn't bear to see first hand what they are ordering!


I am with you marine!!

Teddy Roosevelt said "Walk softly and carry a big stick."
The neocons are saying walk loud and proud, beating anyone in your way with that big stick.

Just as appalling as late-term abortion, I don't think anyone realizes what "tactical nuclear strike" truly entails. This video is a great reminder.

And just think - you were talking about Hiroshima. What we have today is 10 times larger than Hiroshima. Truly devastating, and can be nothing but a LAST RESORT.

Preemptive means by definition, FIRST, not last.

CJLauderdale4
06-24-2007, 07:03 PM
This would make an awesome rally sign.

Dude!!!
I love that!!
I'm going to make some of those for my children!!

I'll put that on the front, and the standard Ron Paul logo on the back.
Maybe have them wear it to the YRNC event on July 4th!!

thuja
06-24-2007, 07:07 PM
Josh, it WOULD make a good rally sign!

Original_Intent
06-24-2007, 07:25 PM
We are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents.
We are Aetheists, Christians, And who knows what else.
We are pro-lifers and pro-choicers.
Gay, Straight and whatever other choices there are :D
Drug Users and Teetotalers.
Red, Black, White, Yellow, and probably Little Green Men in Tin Foil Hats.
Conspiracy Theorists and Doubting Thomases.

Ron Paul said it best - Freedom is not divisive, it brings us together.
The truth sets us free, and truth is defeating lies and error.

95% of people, even if they currently support another candidate would support Ron Paul IF THEY ONLY KNEW.

Once someone "joins our family", what are the chances of them switching to another candidate? Near zero.

We are only gonna grow, and it is going to continue to be exponential!

Thank you all again for everything you are doing, and for being my brothers and sisters in arms! HOPE TO MEET YOU ALL AT THE BIG PARTY IN DC IN 18 MONTHS!

YEEEEEEEE- HAAAAAAAAW! (for all you ex-Deaniacs out there!:D

tnvoter
06-24-2007, 07:36 PM
Thanks for reminding me why I <3 you guys, and RP. Send this to every Christian you know. I'm one, and be sure to tell them Dr. Paul voted to go after the ones who committed 9/11, but voted against the undeclared Iraq war.

Shmuel Spade
06-24-2007, 08:34 PM
An excellent video. And even though I repudiate the Christian just war theory, I appreciated it.

wecandoit
06-24-2007, 08:35 PM
I just watched it, great video

angelatc
06-24-2007, 09:46 PM
That needs to be on his web page.

oldpaths1611
06-24-2007, 10:34 PM
Here are links to some excellent articles to give to Christians as well.
They are all written by a Christian man.

http://www.rightsourceonline.com/enews/issue1/christianeclipse.htm

http://www.rightsourceonline.com/enews/issue3/three.htm

http://www.vancepublications.com/articles%20by%20lmv%20lrc.htm

http://www.vancepublications.com/articles%20by%20lmv%20awc%20blog.htm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance-arch.html

http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2007_05/vance-christians.html


“If there be anything which this book denounces and counts the hugest of all crimes, it is the crime of war. Put up thy sword into thy sheath, for hath not he said, ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ and he meant not that it was a sin to kill one but a glory to kill a million, but he meant that bloodshed on the smallest or largest scale was sinful.” Charles Haddon Spurgeon - "The Prince of Preachers"

oldpaths1611
06-26-2007, 06:22 PM
Here is the transcript from a speech given by Dr. Laurence Vance at the recent Future of Freedom Foundation conference. Vance was followed up by the next speaker, Ron Paul.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance114.html