(Video) Spin: Detriot, America's most "Llibertarian city".

[TomtheTinker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHI5rF_8NmI


These news people must have been payed well for their souls.

edit: mod please fix title. [mod-done]

[Scrapmo]

This is the new steaming pile of cow excrement that is going to be served in the trough of the masses. "Detroit went bankrupt because of its freedom loving small government ideals" "We need more government to protect us from libetarians and their dangerous philosophy of leaving everyone alone."

Yeah sure, dipshit. The street lights are out and the roads are reduced to rubble in Detroit because private enterprise couldnt figure out how to maintain its investment. Oh whats that? Those were all government owned? So its like the complete opposite of libertarian?

I have literally been facepalming for the last 5 minutes after watching that video.

[Cleaner44]

The shining capitol of marxism is a complete failure and now they want to deflect blame to anyone but themselves and their own policies. Pay the price suckers.

[Kodaddy]

FFS

[Cap]

It's up to us to control the narrative. Paging Ben Swann.

[jkr]

they OWN it
fucking commies

[IDefendThePlatform]

Detroit's taxes are the highest in Michigan:
http://www.freep.com/article/20110102/COL33/101020437/Detroit-must-jettison-its-losing-tax-scheme


The city's tax structure is, by sheer numbers, among its most glaring problems.Start with this number: 97 mills. That's the number you get for the city's tax burden if you add up all the different taxes levied on Detroiters -- including the city's income tax, property taxes, debts encumbered by the public school system and city government and the utility tax -- and convert them to mills, equal to what must be paid per thousand dollars of assessed property value.
That's for homestead properties.
For non-homestead, that rate jumps to 114 mills, thanks to extra taxes levied on business properties.
By contrast, the average homestead levy for other Michigan cities is 31 mills; it's 48 for non-homestead.
That means Detroit is at an automatic 3-1 financial disadvantage for a family considering the tax bill differences with other cities. And it puts Detroit at a more than a 2-1 comparative disadvantage for any business choosing between the city and another location.
That's before you consider the drawbacks related to the lack of quality services, or the extra costs related to insurance and security. Without huge abatements and incentives -- which do little to improve revenue and bolster services -- it's nearly impossible for the city to attract the middle-class families and small businesses it needs to rebound.
And because taxes are so high in Detroit, some of them have become self-defeating. The city's income tax, for example, is the highest in the state among municipal levies: 2.5% for residents and 1.25% for non-residents who work in Detroit.
In 1999-2000, that tax generated $378 million in revenue. But by the end of the 2010 fiscal year, it was expected to yield just $212 million.

[osan]

These news people must have been payed well for their souls.


You do them far too great the honor.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Who would want to see a Detroit exhibit at the Smithsonian?

[presence]

Who would want to see a Detroit exhibit at the Smithsonian?
http://craphound.com/images/detbeautifulhorrible.jpeg

[Root]

Great propaganda!

[AlexAmore]

I guess it's Libertarian in the way that people decided to stop getting ass-raped and moved out on their own free will thus starving Detroit of tax dollars.

[Henry Rogue]

Just saw a narrative on Detroit. Detroit's government is shutting down unlicensed businesses. I think it was twenty a day, doesn't seem possible, as I don't think there is enough business in Detroit to such down. I'll hunt around the web a bit and see if I can find a link.
Edit: No luck with the web. I wish news people would back up what they say on TV, with evidence on there web sites. I'm not wasting anymore time with this. Moving on now.

[juleswin]

Turning libertarian? maybe, but govt will make sure it doesn't happen. Libertarian forces naturally reclaims cities after damage from govt or mother nature, so to be clear about this, govt destroyed it but libertarian forces will try to repair it .

[ZENemy]

You can expect 20 times the lies and bullshit of this video if Rand Paul gains ANY ground in 2016 JUST LIKE Ron's 92 second debate times.

There is ZERO hope left in politics and voting, this video is proof right here, they are merely soft balling, wait till we get some actual support, MSM will have anyone "libertarian" or anyone even LEANING in that way looking like child molesters.

[LibertyEagle]

Just saw a narrative on Detroit. Detroit's government is shutting down unlicensed businesses. I think it was twenty a day, doesn't seem possible, as I don't think there is enough business in Detroit to such down. I'll hunt around the web a bit and see if I can find a link.
Edit: No luck with the web. I wish news people would back up what they say on TV, with evidence on there web sites. I'm not wasting anymore time with this. Moving on now.

There is this. http://www.detroitmi.gov/News/tabid/3196/ctl/ReadDefault/mid/4561/ArticleId/196/Default.aspx

[LibertyEagle]

You can expect 20 times the lies and bullshit of this video if Rand Paul gains ANY ground in 2016 JUST LIKE Ron's 92 second debate times.

There is ZERO hope left in politics and voting, this video is proof right here, they are merely soft balling, wait till we get some actual support, MSM will have anyone "libertarian" or anyone even LEANING in that way looking like child molesters.

Yeah, avoid the rush and throw in the towel now. Whoopee! :rolleyes:

[erowe1]

Detroit's taxes are the highest in Michigan:
http://www.freep.com/article/20110102/COL33/101020437/Detroit-must-jettison-its-losing-tax-scheme

The good news is, if you don't pay them, there's nobody to come after you.

I seriously do see Detroit as a great libertarian city of opportunity right now. It would make a good Free City Project.

[erowe1]

http://craphound.com/images/detbeautifulhorrible.jpeg

What is that? Is it real?

[ZENemy]

Yeah, avoid the rush and throw in the towel now. Whoopee! :rolleyes:

*yaaaaaaawn*

The cards are stacked against us, good god, they literally SHOT the last president that opened his mouth too wide.

[AuH20]

Between NAFTA and Union Corruption (UAW and Municipal), Detroit was submarined. No libertarians were involved in the very lengthy process.

[Bastiat's The Law]

It's up to us to control the narrative. Paging Ben Swann.

Good point. If this pisses you off consider making a donation to Ben Swann's truth in media project. He's taking donations over Paypal now.

[ZENemy]

Between NAFTA and Union Corruption (UAW and Municipal), Detroit was submarined. No libertarians were involved in the very lengthy process.

Of course not but in MSM land libertarians, along with veterans will be responsible for whatever they say from here on.

[ZENemy]

Good point. If this pisses you off consider making a donation to Ben Swann's truth in media project. He's taking donations over Paypal now.

I agree and have donated, IF we get total control of the narrative we will win hands down, the truth is sharp like that.

[Keith and stuff]

There is ZERO hope left in politics and voting, this video is proof right here, they are merely soft balling, wait till we get some actual support, MSM will have anyone "libertarian" or anyone even LEANING in that way looking like child molesters.
Zero hope left in voting? But the people are the government. There votes are the votes that matter must. They decide much of their biggest state and local tax bill by how they vote on the town and school budgets.

[juleswin]

Good point. If this pisses you off consider making a donation to Ben Swann's truth in media project. He's taking donations over Paypal now.

This

http://benswann.com/ is the page, and every penny counts since he has halved the original goal and I think its now being done on an episode to episode basis.

[ZENemy]

Zero hope left in voting? But the people are the government. There votes are the votes that matter must. They decide much of their biggest state and local tax bill by how they vote on the town and school budgets.

Here is just ONE of thousands of bits of information I can present to you. I have respect for you Keith, we just disagree with what works and what doesnt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FPuLNjvAc

[Keith and stuff]

Here is just ONE of thousands of bits of information I can present to you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FPuLNjvAc
Diebold electronic machines are used to count town meeting day voters where I live so that isn't related to my points.

[osan]

I agree and have donated, IF we get total control of the narrative we will win hands down, the truth is sharp like that.

Don't need TOTAL control. Just need enough.

[erowe1]

Zero hope left in voting? But the people are the government.

Sarcasm?

[Keith and stuff]

Sarcasm?
No. In towns in New Hampshire, the people are the government. They control spending and so on. What happens is a town has a deliberative session meeting where the voters decide what will go on a town ballot. Then, there is a town meeting where the voters vote. The voters decide to end spending, cut spending, increase spending, eliminate positions, add positions, and most everything else you can think of that a town is legally able to do. Since the people only act as the government 2 days a year, some minor things are decided by people the voters elected during the rest of the year. However, if the voters don't like an action that was decided by their elected representatives, they usually have the ability to add a measure that reverses that action at the deliberative session meeting and vote to reverse the action at the town meeting.

I don't know if it works the same way in every state, but at least in the 200+ towns in New Hampshire, the voters are the local government. Unfortunately, it would be too hard for all of the voters to go to the capitol to vote on state issues. So, there are 424 legislators that make a salary of $100 a year. Here is what an office for a state rep. looks like.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394388_434749719901613_1214118535_n.jpg

[FSP-Rebel]

You can expect 20 times the lies and bullshit of this video if Rand Paul gains ANY ground in 2016 JUST LIKE Ron's 92 second debate times.

There is ZERO hope left in politics and voting, this video is proof right here, they are merely soft balling, wait till we get some actual support, MSM will have anyone "libertarian" or anyone even LEANING in that way looking like child molesters.
Or you can look at it the way it actually is and realize that they are just spinning in such an egregious way. Any non-drone progressive can think to themselves and say, "libertarians run/ran Detroit? um, really?" Desperation is what they're running on here because this is just the first of bankruptcies to come and all these major cities for the most part have been put in their current circumstances by progressives whether thru corruption, insane public employee compensation, cultures that don't embrace education and people shelling out kids to get paid. Actually, voting does work and these parasites tend to show up at the polls to call for more of the same hence Detroit's situation is the result of all that coming to a head. Not saying there isn't some form of voter fraud going on but it is no where near as rampant as you're attempting to present. Sounds like an excuse to do nothing to me all the while projecting your defeatist attitude on others. We're on the verge of cutting off obamacare up here in liberal blue (according to some) Mich and it certainly isn't being accomplished by whining and doing nothing. Go on the offensive for a change as Rand and Amash have and it's being met with some measure of success. Ron certainly wouldn't be shelling out advice that the sky is falling so do nothing.:rolleyes:

[ZENemy]

Or you can look at it the way it actually is and realize that they are just spinning in such an egregious way. Any non-drone progressive can think to themselves and say, "libertarians run/ran Detroit? um, really?" Desperation is what they're running on here because this is just the first of bankruptcies to come and all these major cities for the most part have been put in their current circumstances by progressives whether thru corruption, insane public employee compensation, cultures that don't embrace education and people shelling out kids to get paid. Actually, voting does work and these parasites tend to show up at the polls to call for more of the same hence Detroit's situation is the result of all that coming to a head. Not saying there isn't some form of voter fraud going on but it is no where near as rampant as you're attempting to present. Sounds like an excuse to do nothing to me all the while projecting your defeatist attitude on others. We're on the verge of cutting off obamacare up here in liberal blue (according to some) Mich and it certainly isn't being accomplished by whining and doing nothing. Go on the offensive for a change as Rand and Amash have and it's being met with some measure of success. Ron certainly wouldn't be shelling out advice that the sky is falling so do nothing.:rolleyes:


Sorry man, you are not going to convince me there is remedy in this system. I do not in anyway want to "give up" I just feel that if all the energy and drama that was put into bullshit politics that we could have some real solutions on our hands. This "system" we have had has had over 200 years to keep us free, either the constitution has failed or it never worked in the first place, either way this system will NOT BE FIXED FROM WITHIN, just ask Ghandi or even Ron Paul himself.

Again, I'm not advocating violence or giving up, I just think we have all this balled up energy that gets expended on drama, who said this, who said that...instead we could take that energy and start something worth starting. All I see every single day is distraction after distraction, wasted energy on things that have failed.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Who would want to see a Detroit exhibit at the Smithsonian?I would love to see a display of Culture Marxism as shock therapy ... Ah, better yet, open a global tourist attraction, fly those tourists in from around the world to see "Socialism" and the decline of the Imperial American Empire at work. Probably need some of those discounted Afghanistan surplus MRAPs & HumVees to take tourists around Detroit in safety. Could make it entertaining... possibly interactive, and if tourist sign waivers. If you complete the tour, you receive a multi language t-shirt, "I Survived Detroit!" If business takes off... possibly expand to a 2nd location in South Chicago, but there, tourists will be mandated to dawn Kevlar helmets, bullet-proof vests, and stay behind bullet proof glass.

Announcing from the MRAPs, as you do the drive byes... "Democratic-Socialistic-Welfare president Lyndon Baines Johnson aka LBJ, here's your result of the 'Model Cities' program, Democrat parasitic oppression, and Washington DC slow destruction of America.

Sure would get attention, global attention, and a better use of military vehicles instead of militarizing the POLICE STATE across Soylent Green America.
http://www.designstuffdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/444382487_194221069f_z.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=h-b1pejBtXku-M&tbnid=ydzukg2lpWSOjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.taringa.net%2Fposts%2Fimagene s%2F14384164%2FEstacion-Central-de-Michigan-Abandonada.html&ei=gVHxUb_aAqOLiwL2rYGwBA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.cGE&psig=AFQjCNHILVV1CkpdOO9znaMQhVSdNebnnA&ust=1374855755774561)

[FSP-Rebel]

Sorry man, you are not going to convince me there is remedy in this system. I do not in anyway want to "give up" I just feel that if all the energy and drama that was put into bullshit politics that we could have some real solutions on our hands. This "system" we have had has had over 200 years to keep us free, either the constitution has failed or it never worked in the first place, either way this system will NOT BE FIXED FROM WITHIN, just ask Ghandi or even Ron Paul himself.

Again, I'm not advocating violence or giving up, I just think we have all this balled up energy that gets expended on drama, who said this, who said that...instead we could take that energy and start something worth starting. All I see every single day is distraction after distraction, wasted energy on things that have failed.
I really don't want to further derail this thread so I'll just add that politics and pressure are working. We almost nailed the NSA yesterday, that's never happened. Populism fueled by libertarian issues are rising to the top and it's up to us as the foot soldiers to keep applying the pressure. It's not wasted energy as it took me a few minutes to dial my congressman and tweet a few others on this particular instance. If I can't allocate a few minutes time every time a liberty issue is threatened them I'm not worth my salt as a liberty activist. Furthermore, getting 40%+ of House republicans to buck party leadership and stand with the people is a new and welcoming trend starting.

[ZENemy]

I really don't want to further derail this thread so I'll just add that politics and pressure are working. We almost nailed the NSA yesterday, that's never happened. Populism fueled by libertarian issues are rising to the top and it's up to us as the foot soldiers to keep applying the pressure. It's not wasted energy as it took me a few minutes to dial my congressman and tweet a few others on this particular instance. If I can't allocate a few minutes time every time a liberty issue is threatened them I'm not worth my salt as a liberty activist. Furthermore, getting 40%+ of House republicans to buck party leadership and stand with the people is a new and welcoming trend starting.


It would be back in a year and you know it. :p


I will also respect the thread. Im done.

[Henry Rogue]

There is this. http://www.detroitmi.gov/News/tabid/3196/ctl/ReadDefault/mid/4561/ArticleId/196/Default.aspx
That is it. Thanks for finding it. + rep. From article
1/23/2013 – Detroit Mayor Bing has announced the Jan. 24 launch of Operation Compliance, an initiative designed to legally close businesses that operate illegally and often add to blight and crime throughout the city of Detroit.

As part of the launch, six Detroit businesses operating without proper licenses and permits will be closed by a City enforcement team on Thursday, beginning at 10 a.m. The team, led by City of Detroit Buildings, Safety Engineering and Environmental Department (BSEED) and supported by the Detroit police and fire departments, will padlock and seal the entryways of illegal businesses across the city. If the business owner or any other individual breaches the sealed entrance of the closed businesses, that person will be subject to a $500 per day fine and/or imprisonment. The enforcement team expects to close an average of 20 illegal businesses in Detroit each week.

Doesn't sound very libertarian does it?

[Keith and stuff]

I really don't want to further derail this thread so I'll just add that politics and pressure are working. We almost nailed the NSA yesterday, that's never happened.
It would have failed badly in the Senate and Obama was against it. ZENemy has a decent point when talking about federal level activism. On a local level, none of his points make any sense. At least, if they are applied to New Hampshire towns. They do make sense when applied to Detroit.

[ctiger2]

If by libertarian they mean fascist then I agree.

[osan]

I really don't want to further derail this thread so I'll just add that politics and pressure are working.

WAY too premature to make such a declaration at the level to which I think you are speaking. Winning battles does not mean you will win the war. Be you assured that Theye are not mere pikers. Theye are generational, have been at it so very successfully for at least 200 years - probably a good deal more - and are not going to simply go away because we suddenly awaken and decide to stand tall. Things have gone as they have only because we have so very gently complied with their phony baloney "authority".

If and when we withdraw consent such that Theire agenda becomes threatened, then you will see just what the past 60 years of your tax dollars have been buying. I am not speculating here - I am speaking from first hand experience. The technologies that have been developed stand to overwhelm us completely in the mother of all shock and awe campaigns, if things come to that. I have worked on a project that, while utterly fascinating on the one hand, was completely terrifying on the other. It is real, and by now I can only imagine it is perfected, and it would drive machinery that would be capable of hunting YOU. Personally. And that is no lie. God only knows what vast myriads of other things Theye have developed over decades of opaque budgeting for the DoD.

I firmly suspect that if the American people push back hard enough, the gloves will come off for real and we will be set unequivocally straight as to who the fucking boss is and the real name of the game afoot. Hope I am wrong, but fear I am not.



We almost nailed the NSA yesterday, that's never happened.

"Almost" means squat in this game. The fact is, NSA came out unscathed. Nothing has changed, thus far, and until it does we got bupkis.


Populism fueled by libertarian issues are rising to the top and it's up to us as the foot soldiers to keep applying the pressure.

I fully agree with you, but keep your expectations realistic. In mass events such as these statistical reality rules the day and the stats are not looking very good at this time. That could change and I hope it does, but until it does we are nowhere.


If I can't allocate a few minutes time every time a liberty issue is threatened them I'm not worth my salt as a liberty activist.

Again we agree, but manage expectations with care. Overconfidence has submarined more than one cause. As Yogi Bera once quipped, "It ain't over til' it's over." That adage cuts in all directions.


Furthermore, getting 40%+ of House republicans to buck party leadership and stand with the people is a new and welcoming trend starting.

Perhaps. Or it could be that many of those voted as they did because they knew that it would not pass. Therefore, they get to put in a vote that looks good to a large subset of their party constituents without any of the unwanted side-effects such as increased rights for those same constituents.

Most of the douches in Congress may not be rocket surgeons, but they are VERY shrewd. The one's who have been there long are very definitely strategic thinkers and definitely NOT babes in the woods. Never forget this. They play a role any way they feel they must in order to get what they want. The problem for us is divining what it is, exactly, that they actually want and whether it comports itself well with the better interests of human rights. This brand of scheming goes on for them with breath itself. To assume it is not happening on so grand a scale is purest folly. The man you think to be your champion may well be the one to send you to the bottom when you least expect it. This is politics, man; you have to keep the real score in mind here.

[osan]

ZENemy has a decent point when talking about federal level activism. On a local level, none of his points make any sense. At least, if they are applied to New Hampshire towns. They do make sense when applied to Detroit.

In the end it is the federal government that poses the great threat and it is Theye who control the material instrumentality capable of laying the people of this nation to waste. The have vast destructive resources at their disposal. There are biologic weapons - those alone could kill us all and we have NO idea publicly speaking what vaccines, antitoxins, and other antidotes may have been developed that render Themme immune. To assume such does not exist is apey-stoopid. There are chemical agents such as VX, stockpiled in the thousands of tons. Theye have economic weapons - the the stroke of a keyboard they can give our economy a tweak that would send waves of terror throughout the nation. There are all manner of really weird weapons that get no press - sound-wave devices and those of an optical character that incapacitate people. Livermore Labs once developed a laser beacon that would blind enemy troops - I know this one to be true because one of my friend's father worked on the project until it was outed and they had to "shelve" it.

Theye have the weapons of statistical and psychological modeling whereby the predictive capabilities that tell Themme what buttons to push and when render Themme fabulously powerful over us.

It does us no whit of good to gain control of our towns when we have a cabal of deranged humanoid monsters running freely across the face of the globe with their hands on buttons not even saints should be touching.

Local activity convincingly appears to be the place to start, and perhaps it is, but I am not quite confident that this is so. Yes, state and local governments may pose grave threats to us as well, but in terms of scale I think they pale into insignificance when compared with the feds. The federal government is literally a monster and it must be decapitated. The means for doing this are ugly and so laden with risk, yet what else shall we do, other than capitulate?

[Pericles]

In the end, uncompromising men with guns will settle the matter.

[krugminator]

They hand out Obama money in the most libertarian place on Earth?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM

[Keith and stuff]

Local activity convincingly appears to be the place to start, and perhaps it is, but I am not quite confident that this is so. Yes, state and local governments may pose grave threats to us as well, but in terms of scale I think they pale into insignificance when compared with the feds. The federal government is literally a monster and it must be decapitated. The means for doing this are ugly and so laden with risk, yet what else shall we do, other than capitulate?

Since the local voters themselves are the legislative and executive branches of the local government, they control their town. Local votes have some restrictions, as enforced by the state government. The state government not only controls what the local government is allowed to do, it controls what the federal government is able to do inside that state. Federal reform isn't even needed.

[ZENemy]

Since the local voters themselves are the legislative and executive branches of the local government, they control their town. Local votes have some restrictions, as enforced by the state government. The state government not only controls what the local government is allowed to do, it controls what the federal government is able to do inside that state. Federal reform isn't even needed.

How are MJ LEGAL dispensaries working out? Ohhhh, they keep getting raided.

[Keith and stuff]

How are MJ LEGAL dispensaries working out? Ohhhh, they keep getting raided.

Because that's what the leaders of state governments want to happen. If a governor held a press conference with state police and said there will be no more raids in his state. And that play was verbally backed by the leader of the state house or state senate.

[Cleaner44]

I would love to see a display of Culture Marxism as shock therapy ... Ah, better yet, open a global tourist attraction, fly those tourists in from around the world to see "Socialism" and the decline of the Imperial American Empire at work. Probably need some of those discounted Afghanistan surplus MRAPs & HumVees to take tourists around Detroit in safety. Could make it entertaining... possibly interactive, and if tourist sign waivers. If you complete the tour, you receive a multi language t-shirt, "I Survived Detroit!" If business takes off... possibly expand to a 2nd location in South Chicago, but there, tourists will be mandated to dawn Kevlar helmets, bullet-proof vests, and stay behind bullet proof glass.

Announcing from the MRAPs, as you do the drive byes... "Democratic-Socialistic-Welfare president Lyndon Baines Johnson aka LBJ, here's your result of the 'Model Cities' program, Democrat parasitic oppression, and Washington DC slow destruction of America.

Sure would get attention, global attention, and a better use of military vehicles instead of militarizing the POLICE STATE across Soylent Green America.
http://www.designstuffdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/444382487_194221069f_z.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=h-b1pejBtXku-M&tbnid=ydzukg2lpWSOjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.taringa.net%2Fposts%2Fimagene s%2F14384164%2FEstacion-Central-de-Michigan-Abandonada.html&ei=gVHxUb_aAqOLiwL2rYGwBA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.cGE&psig=AFQjCNHILVV1CkpdOO9znaMQhVSdNebnnA&ust=1374855755774561)

Oh how I wish that Jim Rogers would buy the largest run down building in Detroit and make it into the museum of Marxism and turn it into a literal live mockery of their socialist failures.

[bolil]

Well, I also hear from Democrats that Detroits bankruptcy was caused by free trade policies which they don't seem to recognize are not free... libertarian city? Lol, what a dipshit. Id like to dance with him on libertarian/Austrian economics, since he looks like an easy take.

[osan]

Since the local voters themselves are the legislative and executive branches of the local government, they control their town. Local votes have some restrictions, as enforced by the state government. The state government not only controls what the local government is allowed to do, it controls what the federal government is able to do inside that state. Federal reform isn't even needed.

In theory you are correct, but let us not be blind to what really happens out there in positive reality. Feds pass laws, states now are beginning to say "no", and feds do their thing anyway. Seems the **** in WA are backing down, what with the cited request of their "regulators" to DC for "clarification". WHAT?! Why is clarification necessary? WA passed a law either to legalize (boo-hiss) or decriminalize (yay) marijuana. No "clarification" is needed because passage of the referendum says it will be legal in that state. What the state authorities should be doing is IDing the raiders, apprehending them, charging them with felonies, trying them, convicting, and putting them all in state prison for 20 years minimum for violations of the sovereignty of their citizens. Much as I hate this sort of thing, I would fund specially militarized fast-response units who would descend upon such raids in progress and kill every last federal agent that did not surrender immediately upon first demand. Those who did would be imprisoned not a day less than 20 years. The rest are killed outright. Once we'd decided enough was enough, we would raid federal offices, seize their assets, imprison their agents, and dare the feds to escalate. I would call up the Guard to full military alert and leave them like that until matters were settled, and I would be unequivocal about it. I would go on a massive campaign to call up militia and get them trained. Two can play the propaganda game. I would open up the economy such that the state would boom in the face of the creeping world economic collapse. In short, I would raise such hell, no doubt I would be hit by ghosts before long, but raise hell I would anyway because that's just the way I am.

The ONE local activity that SHOULD be happening is the dismantling and DESTRUCTION of fedgov agencies. Kill everyone who resists in the least measure down to a single ill-considered syllable because these people are in fact enemy combatants at war with the people of the United States, pose a clear and present danger to every last one of us, and will destroy us in one way or another if we allow them to operate much further.

Some will say what I propose here is too extreme. To them I say "bollocks!". Believe what you will, but the very survival of human freedom on the planet rests with Americans because the rest of the world is GONE. Europe: conquered. My proof? Consider "Brave New World". Recall when Jonathan destroyed the Soma kiosk? Recall what the gammas did? They FREAKED OUT. Now turn your broader vision to the Euros last year. The withdrawal of the soma of free stuff was merely suggested and the Greeks FREAKED OUT. A few years ago it was suggested in France that the soma of the retirement age be raised two years and the Frogs FREAKED OUT. And so it goes across the face of that nation. They are doomed. The same can be said for most of the rest of the world in these terms. So much as suggest taking away the smallest measure of the soma and people freak out. Just how important does one think freedom and REAL human rights are to those billions of souls?

Not important enough to give up the soma. Even America is largely the same. The single difference here is that there remains a small but strong population of people who actually do believe in the limitless value of freedom and we pose the greatest threat to Themme and Theye will see every last one of us neutralized by one means or another in the end because we CANNOT be tolerated in the least measure.

Survival. Literal survival. In most cases emotional and psychological. In many cases, physical. Every last stinking one of us at this very moment stands face to face with the threat to his survival at the hands of Theire willing agents who abound everywhere. Theye do not care how it happens - Theye almost certainly would prefer you simply laid down and complied - less work for Themme. But if necessary, Theye will see you a deep fathom down. THAT is what is at stake here and it is immediate. We are each of us in someone's cross-hairs right now, even as I type. How much more danger need one face before it becomes OK to speak of killing one's enemy?

We are literally in a do-or-die vignette. Die mentally or physically, but die we shall if we do not stop this runaway train. When the last vestiges of freedom are gone, the world shall stand before us as an alien landscape horrid. We who let it happen will live just long enough to gnash our teeth and wail in regret so acid-bitter that the stars themselves will shiver after it.

[J_White]

c'mon goddamit !!
r they going to spin everything ! :mad:

[nobody's_hero]

This is why we have to have a successful media campaign of our own. The MSM could spin Mother Theresa to be a mafia hitwoman.