25 Facts About The Fall Of Detroit That Will Leave You Shaking Your Head

[DamianTV]

http://www.riseearth.com/2013/07/25-facts-about-fall-of-detroit-that.html#sthash.WVCCgIve.dpuf

Too many embedded links to copy and paste so just hit the link. I didnt break it cuz it isnt MSM.

[presence]

It is easy to point fingers and mock Detroit, but the truth is that the rest of America is going down the exact same path that Detroit has gone down.

Detroit just got there first.so true

[Dr.3D]

We were warned about that giant sucking sound.

[FSP-Rebel]

But hey, Go Tigers!!

[pcosmar]

so true

http://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/canary-in-the-coal-mine.jpg

[Deborah K]

"Everyone will say, 'Oh well, it's Detroit. I thought it was already in bankruptcy,' " said Michigan State University economist Eric Scorsone. "But Detroit is not unique. It's the same in Chicago and New York and San Diego and San Jose. It's a lot of major cities in this country. They may not be as extreme as Detroit, but a lot of them face the same problems."

San Diego
San Diego
San Diego

[Seraphim]

9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.

That's the % of people on food stamps in the USA.

I bet the numbers are nearly identical all over the country.

Department of Education. Thanks.

[Pericles]

NAFTA = No American Factories Taking Applications

[Anti Federalist]

NAFTA = No American Factories Taking Applications

Have some rep.

[DamianTV]

Anyone think it was all the Entitlements that bankrupted the city?

Or was it Institutionalized Racism? (This was referred to as the Redline)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh42TGld1HY

Or was it complete and total Government Corruption?

[Deborah K]

It was the failed experiment in socialism.

[phill4paul]

NAFTA = No American Factories Taking Applications


Have some rep.

And some more.

[helmuth_hubener]

NAFTA = No American Factories Taking Applications It's not because of NAFTA, man. It's because the US stinks. No one wants to do business here. It's a horrible jurisdiction. The factories moved to greener pastures. And good for them. Now it's true they're robbing our politicians of some money. But that, for us, is just another reason to say: good, good, good for them!

[Pericles]

It's not because of NAFTA, man. It's because the US stinks. No one wants to do business here. It's a horrible jurisdiction. The factories moved to greener pastures. And good for them. Now it's true they're robbing our politicians of some money. But that, for us, is just another reason to say: good, good, good for them!

You are correct, the factories did not go to Mexico, they went to the PRC because the labor is even cheaper than in Mexico.

[donnay]

It was the failed experiment in socialism.

I just hate being the guinea pig. :(

[Dr.3D]

You are correct, the factories did not go to Mexico, they went to the PRC because the labor is even cheaper than in Mexico.

I believe it was engineered to happen that way.

If our government hadn't been stealing via the hidden tax of inflation, our money would be worth enough that China wouldn't be able to compete.

[Pericles]

I believe it was engineered to happen that way.

Check out the stuff that is imported from the PRC to Mexico for assembly, then imported to the US under NAFTA. The real reason for the NAFTA superhiway is to flood the US with more crap from the PRC.

[Dr.3D]

Check out the stuff that is imported from the PRC to Mexico for assembly, then imported to the US under NAFTA. The real reason for the NAFTA superhiway is to flood the US with more crap from the PRC.

Our money became worth less and less and as it did so, the ability of other countries to compete with us increased.

[donnay]

You are correct, the factories did not go to Mexico, they went to the PRC because the labor is even cheaper than in Mexico.

Thank you Nixon and Kissinger. <s>

[helmuth_hubener]

You are correct, the factories did not go to Mexico, they went to the PRC because the labor is even cheaper than in Mexico.

Labor is only one part of it. Far, far more importantly, within the SEZs the PRC is a much, much, much better jurisdiction.

In China, you want to build something? You take a big piece of graph paper, draw your sketch, call 4 engineers into your office, and say "do it." A few months later, it's done.

In the US you want to build something? You call in the lawyers to do a study on precedents and whether your project may be allowed or not. If they say it's possible, you then do a focus group gauging public opinion. You then go before the city planning board to prostrate yourself and beg their grace. They then form a exploratory committee to consider the idea and it's impact on the valued citizens of "the community". An enviromental impact committee must also sign off. And the historical preservation society must OK it, of course. They will want assurance you care for the Great, Rich Historical Heritage of Cleveland or wherever. Deeply care. Your proposal will have to fit in with the existing Master Plan, of course. That goes without saying. This is a small sample of what you will deal with.

Once all this goes through, 5 years later, your project will still be subject to the oversight of various committees, bureaus, and busybodies. It will take another 5 years to actually complete. It you can complete it. The Powers that Be may change their mind halfway through and cancel your permission slips.

All in all: yes, obviously: Move to China! China has a lot of freedom! A lot more than here! If it were all just about labor costs, riddle me this: how come no factories have moved to Nepal? Nepal labor is way cheaper than Chinese.

[helmuth_hubener]

Check out the stuff that is imported from the PRC to Mexico for assembly, then imported to the US under NAFTA. The real reason for the NAFTA superhiway is to flood the US with more crap from the PRC. Good stuff comes from China. It is not junk. Is the iPhone junk?

In many cases this stuff is being build by the same machines, and by the same management, that used to build it back in the US. In those cases, obviously the products are the same or better quality. The machines were just packed up and slow-boated to Shenzhen.

[helmuth_hubener]

If our government hadn't been stealing via the hidden tax of inflation, our money would be worth enough that China wouldn't be able to compete. Wrong. China outcompetes the US on many fronts. It is the best location (or one of the best) for many business operations. Inflation or no inflation.

[mad cow]

How about all those businesses,factories and individuals that left Detroit for the greener pastures of New Hampshire,Texas and Virginia?

Traitors! There otta beya law!

[Nobexliberty]

Good stuff comes from China. It is not junk. Is the iPhone junk?

In many cases this stuff is being build by the same machines, and by the same management, that used to build it back in the US. In those cases, obviously the products are the same or better quality. The machines were just packed up and slow-boated to Shenzhen.The iPhone is overpriced and they can make it so expensive because it is overrated, for the money you have to pay for it it's junk. And of course Chinese workers do not strike every time they can not "afford" both ps3 and xbox while having an iPhone.

[mad cow]

The iPhone is overpriced and they can make it so expensive because it is overrated, for the money you have to pay for it it's junk. And of course Chinese workers do not strike every time they can not "afford" both ps3 and xbox while having an iPhone.


I bought an iPhone 5 two months ago and I love it.You think maybe I'm a moron who's too stupid to know over priced junk when I see it?Maybe the government should move in and make my buying decisions for me?

[AuH20]

9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.

That's the % of people on food stamps in the USA.

I bet the numbers are nearly identical all over the country.

Department of Education. Thanks.

So you're saying that a savvy individual could have them sign away organ rights and properties? ROFL

[FindLiberty]

... China outcompetes the US on many fronts. It is the best location (or one of the best) for many business operations. Inflation or no inflation.
Low Cost Energy + Low Cost Labor + Less Regulation = Mfr win!

[helmuth_hubener]

The iPhone...for the money you have to pay for it it's junk. The build quality is extremely good. The components are top-of-the-line. The quality control is good, the defect rate is very low. The overall quality is just top-notch. They are built to last and last forever -- the vast majority of original iPhone 1s are still in working order and being horded by their owners.

Now I have no iPhone, I want no iPhone, I have the dumbest of the dumb phones possible. You can't even get my phone any more, it's so dumb and so old. I'm no iPhone promoter. But I'm just saying, objectively speaking, the iPhone is of very high craftsmanship and attention to detail. It is not cheap plastic junk, as the stereotype is that all stuff Made in China must be. It is precision-engineered aluminum and glass. You can get no higher quality phone in the world, except perhaps multi-thousand-dollar ruggedized phones. And it's Made in China.

[gwax23]

Labor is only one part of it. Far, far more importantly, within the SEZs the PRC is a much, much, much better jurisdiction.

In China, you want to build something? You take a big piece of graph paper, draw your sketch, call 4 engineers into your office, and say "do it." A few months later, it's done.

In the US you want to build something? You call in the lawyers to do a study on precedents and whether your project may be allowed or not. If they say it's possible, you then do a focus group gauging public opinion. You then go before the city planning board to prostrate yourself and beg their grace. They then form a exploratory committee to consider the idea and it's impact on the valued citizens of "the community". An enviromental impact committee must also sign off. And the historical preservation society must OK it, of course. They will want assurance you care for the Great, Rich Historical Heritage of Cleveland or wherever. Deeply care. Your proposal will have to fit in with the existing Master Plan, of course. That goes without saying. This is a small sample of what you will deal with.

Once all this goes through, 5 years later, your project will still be subject to the oversight of various committees, bureaus, and busybodies. It will take another 5 years to actually complete. It you can complete it. The Powers that Be may change their mind halfway through and cancel your permission slips.

All in all: yes, obviously: Move to China! China has a lot of freedom! A lot more than here! If it were all just about labor costs, riddle me this: how come no factories have moved to Nepal? Nepal labor is way cheaper than Chinese.


I really want to positive rep you for all the posts in this thread. Sadly I cant.

[The Free Hornet]

You are correct, the factories did not go to Mexico, they went to the PRC because the labor is even cheaper than in Mexico.

And how much would you pay to higher the 47% who can't read in Detroit? You have no incentive to higher them and those lower rungs of the economic ladder won't be moved down for their sake.

Notable too is that you talk not about what labor can produce, but what it can be paid. Cart before horse...

[Anti Federalist]

And how much would you pay to higher the 47% who can't read in Detroit? You have no incentive to higher them and those lower rungs of the economic ladder won't be moved down for their sake.

Notable too is that you talk not about what labor can produce, but what it can be paid. Cart before horse...

Are you meaning to say "hire" in this post, or do you mean "higher" and "lower" rungs on a ladder?

[amy31416]

When capitalists turn into corporatists collaborating with the government for special favors, that tips things in one direction against the workers. When labor unions collaborating with the government for special favors, that tips things in the other direction against the corporations.

In the end, when both are constantly competing, it's a chaotic mess that is Detroit. And nobody wins.

Pay Canada to take Detroit, it's a cesspool.