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Anti Federalist
07-23-2013, 11:18 AM
The U.S. Is a Failed State: Dissolve It

By Michael S. Rozeff

July 23, 2013

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/07/michael-s-rozeff/the-us-is-a-failed-state/

America is a very sick patient with a curable cancer that, if left alone, will cause death. The cancer is the Union or the state known as the U.S.A. More commonly, the Union and the U.S.A. are referred to as the U.S. government, the federal government or simply the government. It is the body established by the Constitution that administers the powers described in that Constitution. Phasing out and dissolving the U.S. government, which can be done by constitutional means, will remove the cancer and restore a degree of health.

Ending the Union will certainly not cure all of America’s ills, because they trace back to wrong and false ideas. These are like bad habits, genetic and environmental factors that cause cancer. If they are not changed, the cancer will come back. The search for non-destructive politics is as never-ending as the search for health and longevity.

The main reason why Americans should dissolve the Union is that it is a failed state. For those who believe in the efficacy and goodness of states, their most essential, central and important task is to keep the peace within their domain. This goal entails protecting the lives and property of the citizens under its protection, the people of the United States.

Perfection of the government at keeping the peace is not to be expected. A certain amount of failure of a state to keep the peace is normal and tolerable, but at some point when war becomes the norm or becomes so extensive, permanent and destructive that keeping the peace is all but forgotten or impossible to attain, we can safely declare that the state has failed. This has happened with the U.S.

It diverts us too greatly to recount in detail the history of the repeated failures of the U.S. government to keep the peace. The Civil War (1861-1865) was a notable failure, the end result of which was a Union no longer operating under any pretense of consent but instead at the point of a gun.

The Spanish-American War followed by the Philippine-American War set the U.S. on a path of empire, which necessarily could not be peaceful because it would involve Americans in global conflicts.

The next step was to abandon neutrality altogether, and that occurred when the U.S. entered World War I. The U.S. even invaded Russia in 1918.

In the early twentieth century, the U.S. began operating under the deeply flawed idea that keeping the peace within America could be and had to be accomplished by violent interventions in other countries. Peace through war, anywhere and everywhere that it seemed necessary and feasible, became U.S. doctrine. Making the world safe for democracy became the doctrine, with the emphasis being on the word “making”.

The American empire rested on a firm belief that good results could arise from high-level and centralized control. This control mentality saw nothing wrong with using force to achieve and maintain that control. The erroneous belief, held deeply by the U.S. government, was that power and control could mold societies, peoples, economies and governments into peaceful forms.

World War I plus the U.S. push into the Pacific and the Pacific Rim were major factors leading to U.S. participation in World War II, a huge failure to keep the peace. The Korean War was closely related.

The American war machine, the military-industrial complex, that was built up required oil, and the U.S. began to intervene in the Middle East.

Eventually the U.S. began to invade countries outright, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Libya.. It began to have military, training, arms and support operations in dozens of trouble spots, like Yemen and Syria. Keeping the peace came to mean perpetual war.

One of the most signal failures of the U.S. to keep the peace by protecting the lives and property of its citizens was 9/11. The huge might of the U.S. military, police and intelligence agencies operating worldwide had led to a retaliation by terrorists that this same might failed to prevent.

The highest officials of the U.S. began forecasting that eventually a nuclear attack by terrorists would occur on American soil. They were mongering fear but in the same breath they were admitting that the U.S. government had failed at its most basic mission.

Consequently, the people now became subjected to disturbances of the peace instituted by the U.S. government. Far from keeping the peace, the government instituted unnecessary and intrusive invasions of lives and property in the name of protecting its citizens. What stronger marks of a failed state could there be than the DHS, the TSA, the growing brutality and militarization of police, and the wholesale surveillance of the NSA?

But there is more, far more.

I do not limit the term keeping the peace to consideration of needless foreign wars. Like most terms, the word “state” has changed meaning over time. The term “state” in the medieval tradition at one point referred to the state of the commonwealth, the state of the public thing. The Romans called it the public affair or res publica, which is the root of republic. Today, the government has drawn the economy into its sphere of influence. Whole sectors and industries have been made into a public affair or thing. Here too there is a signal failure to keep the peace. Peace in the economic realm means smoothly functioning free markets, not widespread unemployment, large social welfare programs, controlled health care, controlled education, cities going bankrupt, bubble markets, wealth transfers to an oligarchy, an unstable currency, and huge interventions in mortgage markets.

Keeping the peace in an economy cannot be done by expanding the mentality of control to economic regulations, controls, licensing, taxes and subsidies of industries. All of this is the very opposite of keeping the economic peace. All of it is the violent intervention so ably brought to our attention by Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard.

In the area of the Bill of Rights, the U.S. government is mounting attack after attack. These abridgements in rights are further evidence of a failed state. They are direct attacks on the peace. So are war crimes, the use of torture, the use of kidnappings, arbitrary imprisonments, and denials of rights.

Courageous individuals, such as Assange, Manning and Snowden, have been attempting to awaken the American people to the failure of their government to keep the peace. This is because other institutions that might possibly have held the government to some sort of account have utterly failed to do so, at least so far. Social institutions like the church and the media, have failed to pressure the U.S. to change. They have, in fact, largely supported the government. The lower courts have proven to be an inadequate barrier against government’s failures in keeping the peace. The two-party system has failed to produce a peace party with influence. Intellectuals, journalists and opinion-makers have failed to set peace as their objective and rally the public around a peace movement. Instead, we see success of warmongers, fear mongers, and those who benefit from war.

The major purpose of government, according to its supporters, is to keep the peace, which means protecting rights, freedoms, lives and property. It cannot be done by invasions of these. The U.S. government has failed so badly that today we wonder what bad thing it will do next. We wonder if there are any institutional limits to what laws the U.S.A. can enact. We wonder what powers the Executive will claim next. We wonder what the government will do next to its citizens. Since the Supreme Court, which is part of the U.S.A., claims the power to decide what is lawful and what is not, we wonder how there can be any legal limits to government usurpations and tyranny.

When there are failures in any activity, we look to find out their causes so that we can remedy them. This is not being done with respect to the failure of the U.S. government. There is failure in the feedback cycle, a break in it that prevents error correction. The system is not under proper control, not that it ever has been or can be. The government doesn’t even admit failure, even when it is far larger and worse than Watergate. Partisanship is not enough to produce feedback and correction as in the Watergate case, not when both parties are war parties. The utter failures to keep economic peace go uncorrected because both parties believe in and benefit from economic control.

The average person is thwarted. He or she can criticize the people occupying the positions of power and attempt to elect others, but it’s fruitless. Americans can change administrations, but if the laws remain intact, this is to no effect. The government operates under the theory that the laws it makes stem from the people via their representatives and their government. Hence, no matter what laws they pass, they are a-ok. Once elected, they are empowered to do as they please and feel it’s the will of the people. The people who believe in this system cannot recognize insidious usurpations and tyrannies. They cannot identify the seat and root of the usurpations and tyrannies, much less remove them. They are caught in the snares of their own democracy. If the government is not keeping the peace, they hardly see it, much less understand that the form of government – the system itself – is at fault.

The U.S. is a failed state. It doesn’t keep the peace. This has been the case for a long time, but the productivity of the American people papered it over. Each in his own way, Assange, Manning, Snowden and other whistleblowers are telling us that the U.S. has not been keeping the peace. Just the opposite.

The U.S. government has gone into denial mode, attempting to paint these messengers and men of conscience as enemies of the people, spies and traitors. What have they actually done except to reveal information that is a necessary but not sufficient condition for recognizing and correcting government failure? Under the dominant theory of government that now is widely held, no people can control its government unless they know what that government is doing. The traditional Fourth Estate has not been up to the task. That is why these men have come forward.

Dissolve the Union. Dissolve the U.S. government. Do it in steps, if need be, but do it. Do it constitutionally or by actions deemed constitutional by the individual states. America is one big pressure cooker and the U.S. government is keeping the lid on. There is no need for an explosion. Remove the U.S. control and the natural energies of a free people will be released productively.

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 11:25 AM
Hear, hear! :)

ZENemy
07-23-2013, 11:39 AM
How do we the people get this started?

AuH20
07-23-2013, 11:50 AM
To "defeat" the Soviet Union, we needed to become a pseudo-version of that failed state. I'm starting to think that was original plan.

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 11:56 AM
To "defeat" the Soviet Union, we needed to become a pseudo-version of that failed state. I'm starting to think that was original plan.
I reckon if the US regime had stayed out of WWII, the Soviets and Germans would have fought each other to oblivion and both would've collapsed under their own weight. The ugly truth most Americans don't want to admit is that "The Great War" kept the Soviet machine going for another half century and made the Cold War inevitable. You could well be right that the Sovietization of Amerika was part of the plan in all that. /end ramble

WM_in_MO
07-23-2013, 11:59 AM
THROW IT IN THE WOODS

AuH20
07-23-2013, 12:02 PM
I reckon if the US regime had stayed out of WWII, the Soviets and Germans would have fought each other to oblivion and both would've collapsed under their own weight. The ugly truth most Americans don't want to admit is that "The Great War" kept the Soviet machine going for another half century and made the Cold War inevitable. You could well be right that the Sovietization of Amerika was part of the plan in all that. /end ramble

"The best enemy money can buy."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/best_enemy_moneybuy.pdf

ZENemy
07-23-2013, 12:02 PM
Man, please tell me its time to start talking about some REAL ideas?



Did you know about the peaceful Icelandic revolution that took place over the last 5 years? If you didn’t, it is likely because it was never televised or talked about very much at all on mainstream news. One would have to be part of the right websites or Facebook pages to even find out that this has been going on. Why is this the case? Why keep something so monumental hidden from the public?

First let’s discuss what took place with this revolution, then it will become much more clear as to why this was never televised.

It was during a time of a lot of financial turmoil around the world and stories were popping up all over the news of how banks around the world had been crushing or minimizing rebellions by receiving massive bailouts to keep them alive. The Iceland story is different because there was no crushing or ending the rebellion, instead, the people rose up. This is why this was not seen on TV anywhere. If the rest of the world knew that the people won, it may give them some ideas.

During the financial turmoil of 2008 and 2009, the people of Iceland forced their government and banks to resign. How did they do this? Peacefully. The following is a summation of what steps they took over a process of several years, and it all began with each one of them realizing this couldn’t continue.

2008 – The main bank of Iceland is nationalized. The Krona, the currency of Iceland devaluates and the stock market halts. The country is in bankruptcy.

2008 – Citizens rise up at Parliament and succeed in forcing the resignation of both the prime minister and the effective government. New elections are held.
Yet, the country remains in a bad economic situation. A Parliament act is passed to pay back 3,500 million Euros to Great Britain and Holland by the people of Iceland monthly during the next 15 years, with 5.5% interest.

2010 – The people of Iceland again take to the streets to demand a referendum. In January of 2010, the President of Iceland denies approval, instead announcing a popular vote on the matter by the people.
In March, a referendum and denial of payment is approved by popular vote of 93%. Meanwhile, government officials initiate an investigation to bring to justice those responsible for the crisis. Many high level executives and bankers are arrested. Interpol dictates an order to force all implicated parties to leave Iceland.



http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/11/why-did-media-keep-the-recent-peaceful-icelandic-revolution-quiet/

AuH20
07-23-2013, 12:04 PM
I reckon if the US regime had stayed out of WWII, the Soviets and Germans would have fought each other to oblivion and both would've collapsed under their own weight. The ugly truth most Americans don't want to admit is that "The Great War" kept the Soviet machine going for another half century and made the Cold War inevitable. You could well be right that the Sovietization of Amerika was part of the plan in all that. /end ramble

Without the WW2 distraction, the U.S. may have eventually broken up into regional parts. Remember that the country was mired in years of economic stagnation and staggering debt, mostly related to the full statist takeover overseen by FDR and his goons.

enhanced_deficit
07-23-2013, 12:07 PM
Freedom is on the march and failure is not an option.
George Bush likes Obama and vice versa.

Philhelm
07-23-2013, 12:14 PM
I want revenge.

AuH20
07-23-2013, 12:31 PM
I want revenge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zDM8XakVpU

torchbearer
07-23-2013, 04:46 PM
I went off on some city employees today while fixing their equipment.
i went on to explain to them how they were immoral, and to prove the point- i pointed them to The Law by bastiat.
I juz don't give a fuck anymore.


The guy wanted to know if it was because of TV that everyone was so anti-government.
I told him that the TV is pro-government and has been covering their asses continuously, and the only reason people hate government is because of what the government is doing to them.

then went on to have a long rant and history lesson with the people at the shop, and it actually went over well as i explained the history of this country, its presidents, elections, cliques within party leadership, and why Rand would be the first 'outsider' elected since Grover Cleveland, and that reason alone was enough for them to support him. i gave them a history lesson on the bourbon democrats, wilson's betrayal. the importance of caucus.

Dude, I was on fire, born again, evangelical for liberty today. i couldn't help it. it just came out.

torchbearer
07-23-2013, 05:52 PM
maybe this is what the patriots felt, like they were on fire for liberty. it has now become an involuntary response.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2013, 06:18 PM
Bravo




I went off on some city employees today while fixing their equipment.
i went on the explain to them that they were immoral, and to prove the point- i pointed them to The Law by bastiat.
I juz don't give a fuck anymore.


The guy wanted to know if it was because of TV that everyone was so anti-government.
I told him that the TV is pro-government and has been covering their asses continuously, and the only reason people hate government is because of what the government is doing to them.

then went on the have a long rant and history lesson with the people at the shop, and it actually went over well as i explained the history of this country, its presidents, elections, cliques within party leadership, and why Rand would be the first 'outsider' elected since Grover Cleveland, and that reason alone was enough for them to support him. i gave them a history lesson on the bourbon democrats, wilson's betrayal. the importance of caucus.

Dude, I was on fire, born again, evangelical for liberty today. i couldn't help it. it just came out.

JustinTime
07-23-2013, 06:49 PM
Ive said this before and Ill say it again, the things that lets me KNOW (not think, but know) the USA is over isn't actually the government that rules the country, but the legions of idiots that populate it.

The very fact that Ed Snowden hasn't been fully pardoned due to a avalanche demands for it, and of outrage that the governments been spying on us all, tells me the few of us who love freedom cant continue to coexist here.

torchbearer
07-23-2013, 06:56 PM
Ive said this before and Ill say it again, the things that lets me KNOW (not think, but know) the USA is over isn't actually the government that rules the country, but the legions of idiots that populate it.

The very fact that Ed Snowden hasn't been fully pardoned due to a avalanche demands for it, and of outrage that the governments been spying on us all, tells me the few of us who love freedom cant continue to coexist here.


there is a saddening truth to what you say-
but this country is ruled by only a few, and it will only take 3% or less to remove the wardens of this prison.
but we can't speak of the remedy to a failed government.
rand is my outside hope, but even if he won it- you'd just see the mask slip as it will be denied.

mac_hine
07-23-2013, 07:07 PM
Very relevant Larken Rose video blog just released a few hours ago. You're about to witness 18 minutes of pure, unadulterated, dead-on-balls accurate truth. Why more of us here on RPF aren't unabashed anarchists at this point baffles me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJRTqOvCaAg&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=1

torchbearer
07-23-2013, 07:15 PM
Very relevant Larken Rose video blog just released a few hours ago. You're about to witness 18 minutes of pure, unadulterated, dead-on-balls accurate truth. Why more of us here on RPF aren't unabashed anarchists at this point baffles me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJRTqOvCaAg&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=1

well, that's just it- i'm a severe minarchist in jeffersonian extreme style.
i lived in such a community.
in one way, you could say it was anarch because there was no elected leader, but each person could join with coalition of other individuals and projects like a community water tower, or volunteer fire department.
there was no coercion, but at the same time, it was never anarch because higher crimes that weren't dealt with internally were eventualy handled by a parish court.
but it is the closest you can find to just being free and living.

Theocrat
07-23-2013, 07:17 PM
Ive said this before and Ill say it again, the things that lets me KNOW (not think, but know) the USA is over isn't actually the government that rules the country, but the legions of idiots that populate it.

The very fact that Ed Snowden hasn't been fully pardoned due to a avalanche demands for it, and of outrage that the governments been spying on us all, tells me the few of us who love freedom cant continue to coexist here.

The problem is not our system of government; it is the people. I've witnessed that time and time again. The average American just doesn't care about rights, legislation, or even reading that short document known as the Constitution. In turn, politicians feed off of that apathy, and they, themselves, become apathetic towards the rights of the citizens, using our American system of government to their advantage, to the ruin of all.

I always like this analogy to gain a perspective on how we should deal with the sins and errors of our political culture: guns don't kill people, though guns are a dangerous weapon. When a gun is used immorally, we punish the person who acted immorally with it, not the gun itself. It's the same with civil government. Government doesn't harm anyone; it is people in the seats of government who do that by poor and immoral policies. They should be "dissolved," not the institution itself.

torchbearer
07-23-2013, 07:21 PM
The problem is not our system of government; it is the people. I've witnessed that time and time again. The average American just doesn't care about rights, legislation, or even reading that short document known as the Constitution. In turn, politicians feed off of that apathy, and they, themselves, become apathetic towards the rights of the citizens, using our American system of government to their advantage, to the ruin of all.

I always like this analogy to gain a perspective on how we should deal with the sins and errors of our political culture: guns don't kill people, though guns are a dangerous weapon. When a gun is used immorally, we punish the person who acted immorally with it, not the gun itself. It's the same with civil government. Government doesn't harm anyone; it is people in the seats of government who do that by poor and immoral policies. They should be "dissolved," not the institution itself.

will you become an evangelical for liberty with me?

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 07:39 PM
Without the WW2 distraction, the U.S. may have eventually broken up into regional parts. Remember that the country was mired in years of economic stagnation and staggering debt, mostly related to the full statist takeover overseen by FDR and his goons.
I agree. :cool: :(

Fredom101
07-23-2013, 07:44 PM
Amen, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL! And while you're at it, the rest of the white house, the capital, and all the stupid monuments!

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 07:45 PM
The problem is not our system of government; it is the people. I've witnessed that time and time again. The average American just doesn't care about rights, legislation, or even reading that short document known as the Constitution. In turn, politicians feed off of that apathy, and they, themselves, become apathetic towards the rights of the citizens, using our American system of government to their advantage, to the ruin of all.

I always like this analogy to gain a perspective on how we should deal with the sins and errors of our political culture: guns don't kill people, though guns are a dangerous weapon. When a gun is used immorally, we punish the person who acted immorally with it, not the gun itself. It's the same with civil government. Government doesn't harm anyone; it is people in the seats of government who do that by poor and immoral policies. They should be "dissolved," not the institution itself.
I love ya man, but you're mistaken. The government is setting new records for unpopularity. If most people hadn't been made welfare/debt slaves over the past ~century, the revolt would have happened already. The government caste is not "us", nor does it represent "us". It is of, by, and for the political and crony classes. It has been this way a very long time (150-200 years, depending on how you reckon it) and will continue until a critical mass Shrugs or there is a dramatic overthrow of TPTB that completely changes the political landscape.

Rozeff is right-take the whole thing and throw it in the woods!

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 07:45 PM
Amen, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL! And while you're at it, the rest of the white house, the capital, and all the stupid monuments! :D

Dianne
07-23-2013, 07:50 PM
It wouldn't hurt my feelings for a moment, to hear the nightmare federal government is gone when I wake up tomorrow morning.

Actually, on a positive note... I believe there are several states that seem to be breaking away ... Some legalizing pot, in spite of Obama wanting to horde it all for himself.

Best news I will ever receive is that there is no longer a Federal Government in the United States... and the country is once again "FREE".

green73
07-23-2013, 08:15 PM
How do we the people get this started?

w4

torchbearer
07-23-2013, 08:16 PM
How do we the people get this started?

follow my example every day.

Philhelm
07-23-2013, 08:45 PM
Ive said this before and Ill say it again, the things that lets me KNOW (not think, but know) the USA is over isn't actually the government that rules the country, but the legions of idiots that populate it.

The very fact that Ed Snowden hasn't been fully pardoned due to a avalanche demands for it, and of outrage that the governments been spying on us all, tells me the few of us who love freedom cant continue to coexist here.

Farts are funny!

Origanalist
07-23-2013, 08:55 PM
Farts are funny!

I bet I could dissuade you of that notion.

Origanalist
07-23-2013, 08:57 PM
That's what I've been sayin......

Count me as a yea.

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 09:20 PM
I bet I could dissuade you of that notion.
I call BS...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXL6KZJnRtg

Origanalist
07-23-2013, 09:39 PM
I call BS...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXL6KZJnRtg

S'not funny.

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 09:51 PM
S'not funny.
Yes it is. I can tell you're laughing. :D

Origanalist
07-23-2013, 09:55 PM
Nuh uh.

heavenlyboy34
07-23-2013, 09:57 PM
Nuh uh.
yeah huh! :D