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tsai3904
07-22-2013, 03:56 PM
GOP insurrection heats up over surveillance

Rep. Justin Amash wants to deprive the NSA of funds for spying. Now, his angry House leadership is fighting back

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In an attempt to prevent Washington lawmakers from having to publicly declare their position on the National Security Administration’s mass surveillance, will congressional leaders formally snuff out one of the last embers of democracy in the U.S. House? This is one of the big questions this week in Washington, as the Republicans who control the House are resorting to brass knuckled tactics in an effort to thwart one of their own.

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Now, let’s stop for a moment because I can sense you wondering: Why would a lawmaker from the House’s majority party like Amash ever use the Amendment Hack? It’s a good question because normally, lawmakers from the House’s majority party don’t have to — or want to — resort to the Amendment Hack. Usually, because they ideologically agree with the Speaker, they can convince the Speaker to embed their priorities in legislation at the committee level so that their priorities never face real scrutiny when the larger bill comes up for a final-passage vote. And in the rare instance when they diverge from the Speaker on a given issue, majority-party legislators often just back down and avoid the Amendment Hack, for fear of punishment for disloyalty. Indeed, a majority-party legislator using the Amendment Hack against his own leadership is seen as the ultimate form of apostasy.

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Yes, in reaction to Amash’s amendment, Republican leaders are considering a set of radical procedural moves to limit the total number of amendments on the defense spending bill — all while National Journal reports those leaders somehow insist “they are not abandoning the open amendment process they promised when they took the majority in 2011.” Obviously, they are abandoning that promise — and they are abandoning it out of sheer fear that Permanent Washington is losing control of the national security debate. More specifically, they are apparently so afraid that public outrage over NSA surveillance will result in the amendment passing that they are trying to prevent it from even being voted on in the first place.

More:
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/22/gop_civil_war_leaders_target_rising_star/

Warlord
07-22-2013, 04:01 PM
does he have the 20-30 or so to force it on them?

tsai3904
07-22-2013, 05:23 PM
Amash is testifying right now at the Committee on Rules to make his amendment in order:

http://rules.house.gov/video/next-live-webcast-hearing-july-22-2013-500pm

Root
07-22-2013, 05:38 PM
Good read, thanks and shared.

ClydeCoulter
07-22-2013, 05:45 PM
Amash is testifying right now at the Committee on Rules to make his amendment in order:

http://rules.house.gov/video/next-live-webcast-hearing-july-22-2013-500pm

Thanks, caught the tail end of Amash's statements.

The committee seemed to want to debate it for the next 30 or 40 years first. (yeah, exaggerated somewhat).

Spoa
07-22-2013, 07:08 PM
Update: Rep. Amash's amendment was made in order!!! There will be a debate on his amendment either tomorrow or Wednesday.

Amash's post:


Justin Amash
I want to thank Speaker Boehner for working diligently toward resolving significant concerns over the amendment process with respect to ‪#‎NSA‬.

He's a class act as usual (Amash)! :)

Brian4Liberty
07-22-2013, 09:44 PM
Update: Rep. Amash's amendment was made in order!!! There will be a debate on his amendment either tomorrow or Wednesday.
Amash's post:

He's a class act as usual (Amash)! :)

Saw that on Twitter. What should we call it when we phone our Reps? The Amash NSA Amendment?

presence
07-23-2013, 07:23 AM
BUMP. #1 Hottest Liberty Issue in the US.



Amash’s amendment would [] simply barring funds in the bill from going to the NSA for the purpose of

“collecting telephone and other records from anyone who is not the subject of an investigation.”




Amash's amendment is absolutely boss.

presence
07-23-2013, 09:12 AM
bump again

Spoa
07-23-2013, 09:13 AM
Follow this week's live coverage here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421937-This-Week-House-DoD-Appropriations-Senate-THUD-Appropriations!&p=5136003#post5136003

I'll be updating it with tweets, notes, debate, etc.