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Origanalist
07-17-2013, 07:27 AM
Rand Paul's Paleo Problem Jonah Goldberg | Jul 17, 2013

Rand Paul is the most interesting contender for the Republican nomination. And when I say interesting, I mean that in the broadest sense.

A case in point: Last week, the Kentucky senator hit some turbulence when the Washington Free Beacon reported that Jack Hunter, Paul's aide and the coauthor of his book, "The Tea Party Goes to Washington," was once the Southern Avenger.

Who's that? Starting in the 1990s, as a radio shock jock, Hunter would wear a wrestling mask made from a Confederate flag, while making jokes about the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and having the South re-secede.

"Although Lincoln's assassin, John Wilkes Booth's heart was in the right place, the Southern Avenger does regret that Lincoln's murder ... turned him into a martyr," Turner said in 2004. Maybe the humor is all in the delivery?

Hunter's defenders, including my Fox News colleague, Andrew Napolitano, think the reaction against Hunter has been cranked up by neocon "hawks, whose ideology is ... being discredited every day." According to Napolitano, "Jack's sin in their eyes was having spoken favorably of states' rights, and negatively of Lincoln."

"Negatively of Lincoln" is a curious understatement, given that Hunter -- who admits to giving a "personal toast" to Booth on his birthday -- once suggested Lincoln would have had an amorous relationship with Adolf Hitler.

Meanwhile, Hunter says he has matured and is embarrassed by much of what he said in the past. Moreover, he says that for all the theatrics and bombast, he's never said, believed or done anything racist. "I abhor racism," he wrote at his site, Southernavenger.com, "and have always treated everyone I've met with dignity and respect."

Such controversies are hardly new to Paulworld. Most famously, Rand's father, former Rep. Ron Paul, the three-time presidential candidate (for whom Hunter worked in 2012) published newsletters bearing his name that brimmed with bigoted bile. When his writing became controversial, the elder Paul insisted he hadn't known what was in his own newsletters (though in 1996 he took responsibility for them).

Both controversies stem from the same sinful strategy adopted by so-called paleolibertarians in the 1980s. The idea was that libertarians needed to attract followers from outside the ranks of both the mainstream GOP and the libertarian movement -- by trying to fuse the struggle for individual liberty with nostalgia for white supremacy. Thinkers such as Murray Rothbard hated the cultural liberalism of libertarians like the Koch brothers (yes, you read that right) and sought to build a movement fueled by white resentment. This sect of libertarianism played into the left-wing view of conservatism as racist. The newsletters, probably ghostwritten by Rothbard and former Ron Paul Chief of Staff Lew Rockwell, were the main organ for this effort.

"The paleo strategy was a horrific mistake ...," libertarian economist Steve Horwitz wrote in 2011, "though it apparently made some folks (such as Rockwell and Paul) pretty rich selling newsletters predicting the collapse of Western civilization at the hands of the blacks, gays and multiculturalists."

By no means do all Ron Paul supporters subscribe to this dreck. Some are ignorant about this history, while others dismiss the controversies as a distraction from Paul's real message. Most take great offense at any suggestion that Paul or Paulism has anything to do with racism.

Rand Paul literally and figuratively grew up in the shadow of all this, but while he's always circumspect when talking about his dad, in private and in public he has given no hint of subscribing to the Rockwell-Rothbard thesis. Indeed, he is sincerely eager to reach out to African-American voters on issues like the drug war.

Rand Paul shares his father's ambition to be president. Color me skeptical. Even though he's a vastly better politician -- morally and strategically -- than his father, in a climate where politicians like Mitt Romney and John McCain can be demonized as bigots, should Rand Paul ever be nominated, one can only imagine what his opponents, in and out of the media, would do. Unfairly or not, his task of clearing the air would be Augean.

Hence another irony. Defenders like Napolitano think Paul's critics subscribe to a "dying ideology," but Paul's only shot at the White House hinges on thoroughly interring an ideology far more deserving of death. He's got a lot more work ahead of him.

Recommend this article HAH!
http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2013/07/17/rand-pauls-paleo-problem-n1641826/page/full

Origanalist
07-17-2013, 07:27 AM
He's getting slammed pretty good in the comments.

JCDenton0451
07-17-2013, 08:10 AM
It is always the same people, the same small group of people involved.:mad:

Friggin neocons!

WD-NY
07-17-2013, 09:08 AM
He's getting slammed pretty good in the comments.

So slam back.

matt0611
07-17-2013, 09:13 AM
So slam back.

No, he means Goldberg is getting slammed.

ClydeCoulter
07-17-2013, 09:31 AM
He's getting slammed pretty good in the comments.

Yeah, sometimes I wish a really good comment could be promoted to the level of a forward for the article. :)

juleswin
07-17-2013, 09:35 AM
Yea, these articles get the same dismissive reaction from Yahoo posters too. Good propaganda websites like BBC know too well and remove the comment section from their website, so as to prevent the public from calling em out on the BS.

juleswin
07-17-2013, 09:39 AM
Also this Paleo smear is just laughable. How does a paleolibertarian go about attracting supporters with nostalgia for white supremacy when he also go around wooing black and Hispanic voters? Wouldn't the latter action be cancelling out the former gains?

Origanalist
07-17-2013, 09:45 AM
Also this Paleo smear is just laughable. How does a paleolibertarian go about attracting supporters with nostalgia for white supremacy when he also go around wooing black and Hispanic voters? Wouldn't the latter action be cancelling out the former gains?

Jonah's just scared of anybody that isn't a dedicated interventionist. The attacks will continue.

ctiger2
07-17-2013, 09:55 AM
Goldberg
Rubin

Henry Rogue
07-17-2013, 10:00 AM
Never heard of paleolibertatian. did this guy just make it up. What is it supposed to mean? People who want freedom are races? It's just New-speak propaganda from paleopravda.

Origanalist
07-17-2013, 10:18 AM
Never heard of paleolibertatian. did this guy just make it up. What is it supposed to mean? People who want freedom are races? It's just New-speak propaganda from paleopravda.

Paleopravda, that's pretty good....:)

FSP-Rebel
07-17-2013, 10:25 AM
To me, the article didn't seem as sassy and vitriolic as what Ron had faced. I'm seeing desperation on the neocons' behalf as they scurry around to present some coherent answer to the conservative masses fleeing their ideology on behalf of the perceived realism spoken by Rand and his growing legions of allies. Single-handedly, Rand has gotten the talk hosts, talking points and conservative base feeding from his foreign policy spoon thanks to his craft of flipping the script on his terms. In the shadows, the neocons are freaking out and trying to present an adult response to Rand's notoriety amid their sinking ship of conservative mutiny. Even the puritans have to admit that the debate has changed and the neoncons are on the defensive after all this time that they enjoyed the limelight in the republican ranks.

Origanalist
07-17-2013, 10:32 AM
To me, the article didn't seem as sassy and vitriolic as what Ron had faced. I'm seeing desperation on the neocons' behalf as they scurry around to present some coherent answer to the conservative masses fleeing their ideology on behalf of the perceived realism spoken by Rand and his growing legions of allies. Single-handedly, Rand has gotten the talk hosts, talking points and conservative base feeding from his foreign policy spoon thanks to his craft of flipping the script on his terms. In the shadows, the neocons are freaking out and trying to present an adult response to Rand's notoriety amid their sinking ship of conservative mutiny. Even the puritans have to admit that the debate has changed and the neoncons are on the defensive after all this time that they enjoyed the limelight in the republican ranks.

Yes, they're freaking out. And when campaign season gets under way the trolls and paid rabble rousers will be hitting the threads with a vengeance.

juleswin
07-17-2013, 10:39 AM
The video below is among the anti Lincoln video that got the ire of these so called conservatives. Watch and judge for yourself, it just about the most excellent anti civil war, Lincoln, pro state rights video you will ever see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuiLht2eOs

juleswin
07-17-2013, 10:42 AM
Money quote from Lincoln in support of succession. You can use this all day against anyone liberal or otherwise you thinks succession is kooky.


Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Abraham Lincoln

Brett85
07-17-2013, 11:14 AM
I didn't think that Goldberg was really all that bad. He's definitely no Kristol or Rubin. And this article didn't really seem that unfair to me. I don't agree with everything he said, but it definitely wasn't a pure attack piece like Rubin has been doing literally every day.

JCDenton0451
07-17-2013, 01:38 PM
I didn't think that Goldberg was really all that bad. He's definitely no Kristol or Rubin. And this article didn't really seem that unfair to me. I don't agree with everything he said, but it definitely wasn't a pure attack piece like Rubin has been doing literally every day.

All neocons are alike. Also, I would add David Frum to this list.

spladle
07-17-2013, 02:24 PM
All neocons are alike.

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/06/kling_on_the_th.html

JCDenton0451
07-17-2013, 02:45 PM
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/06/kling_on_the_th.html

This doesn't change the fact that all neocons are lying and deceitful. They have to. They have no other choice. Most Americans would never willingly sign up to their agenda. So they're saying they care about the US military, when really they just want to use US military as a tool to secure Israeli interests in the Middle East.

spladle
07-17-2013, 06:18 PM
This doesn't change the fact that all neocons are lying and deceitful. They have to. They have no other choice. Most Americans would never willingly sign up to their agenda. So they're saying they care about the US military, when really they just want to use US military as a tool to secure Israeli interests in the Middle East.

This doesn't change the fact that all non-interventionists are lying and deceitful. They have to. They have no other choice. Most Americans would never willingly sign up to their agenda. So they're saying they care about the US military, when really they just want to harm Israeli interests in the Middle East.