Riots Justify My Owning "Assault" Weapons

[PierzStyx]

Want to know why I need an "assault" weapon? Because the police can't stop, much less protect me from, large violent riots such as those happening in LA and Oakland over the Zimmerman decision. The police state cannot protect you. Only you can protect you and those you love and then only if you have the proper tools to do so. Events like these are the reason why assault weapons should not be banned. Banning weapons only cripples our ability to protect ourselves and the safety of the populace.

[WM_in_MO]

Yessir, but try explaining that to the control freaks.

[asurfaholic]

Common sense is a foreign language to the delusional idiots who support these gun restrictions.

[AuH20]

You may not want war, but war has a a way of finding you.

[oyarde]

I agree , I need a 50 cal , just in case.

[Czolgosz]

Natural right to protect oneself justifies your owning what you want. Nothing else need be said.

[juleswin]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.

[AuH20]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.

But would they able to operate it properly, in terms of hold-offs and what not? LOL We're talking about some low IQ individuals.

[kahless]

Want to know why I need an "assault" weapon? Because the police can't stop, much less protect me from, large violent riots such as those happening in LA and Oakland over the Zimmerman decision. The police state cannot protect you. Only you can protect you and those you love and then only if you have the proper tools to do so. Events like these are the reason why assault weapons should not be banned. Banning weapons only cripples our ability to protect ourselves and the safety of the populace.

Amen brother.

[CaptUSA]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.But how much easier would it have been to take him out if he was cowering in the corner?

[chudrockz]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.

I'd venture a guess that the vast majority of people inclined to riot have extremely unsteady hands, and are a VERY poor shot. Not that they couldn't get lucky.

[Pericles]

I agree , I need a 50 cal , just in case.

As do I.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Want to know why I need an "assault" weapon? Because the police can't stop, much less protect me from, large violent riots such as those happening in LA and Oakland over the Zimmerman decision. The police state cannot protect you. Only you can protect you and those you love and then only if you have the proper tools to do so. Events like these are the reason why assault weapons should not be banned. Banning weapons only cripples our ability to protect ourselves and the safety of the populace.AND to backup your justifications why we all need the 2nd amendment and arms.

This is all you need to know:

2005: SCOTUS Justices Rule 'Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone'.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

[Pericles]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.

I'm willing to face that risk. That is the price of liberty.

[jllundqu]

I agree , I need a 50 cal , just in case.

Aw man... I would love to have the ole Ma duece. (M2 .50 cal)

Great thread

[AFPVet]

I don't need a select fire assault weapon. Instead, give me a semi-auto battle rifle like the AR-10 or M1A. Sure, a M60 will lay them all out real quick, but that's not an assault weapon, that's a machine gun :)

To address the what if rioters had rifles question, most of these types of rioters lack the kind of military/marksmanship skill to be a problem for a well trained defender with a rifle. Of course, as aforementioned, a '60 would make real quick work of them :)

[jllundqu]

I don't need an assault weapon since fully automatic fire from a 30 round mag is wasting ammo. Instead, give me a semi-auto rifle like an AR-10 or AK variant. Sure, a M60 will lay them all out real quick, but that's not an assault weapon, that's a machine gun :)

To address the what if rioters had rifles question, most of these types of rioters lack the kind of military/marksmanship skill to be a problem for a well trained defender with a rifle. Of course, as aforementioned, a '60 would make real quick work of them :)

And I'd bet a a trained shooter defending his castle would fend off the hordes quite easily if push came to shove. Once a mob takes a few casualties, they would move on.

[AuH20]

And I'd bet a a trained shooter defending his castle would fend off the hordes quite easily if push came to shove. Once a mob takes a few casualties, they would move on.

I wonder if they would carry away their wounded? I'm guessing no.

[Pericles]

And I'd bet a a trained shooter defending his castle would fend off the hordes quite easily if push came to shove. Once a mob takes a few casualties, they would move on.

Maybe not that easy, but that is the behavior I would expect from Land Pirates.

[KingNothing]

Want to know why I need an "assault" weapon? Because the police can't stop, much less protect me from, large violent riots such as those happening in LA and Oakland over the Zimmerman decision. The police state cannot protect you. Only you can protect you and those you love and then only if you have the proper tools to do so. Events like these are the reason why assault weapons should not be banned. Banning weapons only cripples our ability to protect ourselves and the safety of the populace.


Large violent riots aren't actually happening anywhere, but you should still be allowed to own assault weapons.

[Pericles]

I don't need an assault weapon since fully automatic fire from a 30 round mag is wasting ammo. ...............

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[juleswin]

But would they able to operate it properly, in terms of hold-offs and what not? LOL We're talking about some low IQ individuals.

Why not, from what I've heard, AR15 and AK 47 are pretty easy guns to operate. Low IQ individuals :)

[juleswin]

But how much easier would it have been to take him out if he was cowering in the corner?

I dunno, but I know it wouldn't be that hard to snipe him off the top of that building. Look at the clip of the incident and you'll see just vulnerable he was to anyone who had their own rifle. I would advice against going what he did, at least use your car to create a barrier and cover and from there shoot your gun to scare the rioters.

[oyarde]

I'm willing to face that risk. That is the price of liberty.

That is correct.

[oyarde]

And I'd bet a a trained shooter defending his castle would fend off the hordes quite easily if push came to shove. Once a mob takes a few casualties, they would move on.

Yep, looking for easy pickings , you do not want to be the easy pickings.

[juleswin]

I'm willing to face that risk. That is the price of liberty.

There is no shame in retreating, re organizing and coming back to face a large group of enemy. Don't be that guy in the zombie movies that comes out shooting his gun at a horde of zombies just to end up dying a painful death. Suicide missions are for suckers, don't be that guy

Your life is worth more than it.

[VBRonPaulFan]

Why not, from what I've heard, AR15 and AK 47 are pretty easy guns to operate. Low IQ individuals :)

Have you ever shot an AR-15 or AK-47?

Have you ever shot one for accuracy at distance?

Have you ever shot one for accuracy at distance while under fire?

[Pericles]

There is no shame in retreating, re organizing and coming back to face a large group of enemy. Don't be that guy in the zombie movies that comes out shooting his gun at a horde of zombies just to end up dying a painful death. Suicide missions are for suckers, don't be that guy

Your life is worth more than it.

You have to know when to accept decisive engagement. The goal is always to be able to maneuver, but limitations on you due to the family or supplies you need to protect, restrict your ability to do that.

[juleswin]

Have you ever shot an AR-15 or AK-47?

Have you ever shot one for accuracy at distance?

Have you ever shot one for accuracy at distance while under fire?

Of course, you can clearly see me making that claim from the one post of mine you quoted. Geeze, people and their comprehension skills :)

[oyarde]

Have you ever shot an AR-15 or AK-47?

Have you ever shot one for accuracy at distance?

Have you ever shot one for accuracy at distance while under fire?

I have , but prefer a steak and beer.

[juleswin]

You have to know when to accept decisive engagement. The goal is always to be able to maneuver, but limitations on you due to the family or supplies you need to protect, restrict your ability to do that.

So you agree that preserving liberty includes a possible retreat maneuver? Cos the way I understood your previous post, it sounded like you will take whatever risk necessary to defend/protect your castle.

[AuH20]

Imagine if the developers of Call of Duty or Battlefield actually factored in windage, ballistic coefficients and gravity impacted holdovers into their game? No one would kill each other in the game aside from the close encounters. These games really dumb down the skill that's involved in mastering a rifle.

[Pericles]

So you agree that preserving liberty includes a possible retreat maneuver? Cos the way I understood your previous post, it sounded like you will take whatever risk necessary to defend/protect your castle.

If you are "surrounded by a mob of rioters" you are already in a position where you have lost freedom of maneuver, and you are now decisively engaged. Superior skill and firepower will rule the day.

[oyarde]

So you agree that preserving liberty includes a possible retreat maneuver? Cos the way I understood your previous post, it sounded like you will take whatever risk necessary to defend/protect your castle.

Retreat , maybe , surrender , Never.

[juleswin]

Retreat , maybe , surrender , Never.

Hmm, I still would surrender if my condition becomes completely hopeless that I will die if I continue shooting ala scenario Pericles used. There is a reason why soldiers sometimes surrender instead of going out in a blaze of glory when cornered. Surrender and they may take you and spare your family. Surrendering just like retreating still gives a chance albeit a tiny one to fight another day.

I used to wonder why any Syria soldier would surrender to the Syria rebel when they most likely will be tortured and then killed but now I am beginning to think that there is something in the human psyche that always opts for the option that preserves his life(even for an extra hour) over the sure death choice.

[Antischism]

"Large, violent riots" really wouldn't be how I'd describe them. I think a lot of people are disappointed that we aren't getting the huge race riots everywhere that were being pushed and predicted by the "conservative" media. Those "angry, savage blacks" aren't burning down cities or killing whites everywhere. Those threats on Twitter and Facebook aren't materializing. Being able to mow down hoards of angry black mobs with an assault weapon like zombies in Hollywood films may be a wet dream for some, but it's simply that; a dream.

I'm not singling you out OP or saying you want to do any of that, it's just a general observation and thought I had nowhere else to place at the moment.

I really don't make up these scenarios in my head where I have to plan out how I'm going to shoot a bunch of people or justify the right to bear arms over some protests. I understand the importance of 2A, but killing other people is usually the last thing on my mind. I don't have any fantasies of shooting a gun at other people and I hope I never have to use one on a fellow citizen. I simply don't think it looks good to speak of the perks of having an assault weapon based on some people protesting, but that's just me.

[Dr.3D]

Seems like hand grenades would be a great addition when in a riot situation.

[Pericles]

Hmm, I still would surrender if my condition becomes completely hopeless that I will die if I continue shooting ala scenario Pericles used. There is a reason why soldiers sometimes surrender instead of going out in a blaze of glory when cornered. Surrender and they may take you and spare your family. Surrendering just like retreating still gives a chance albeit a tiny one to fight another day.

I used to wonder why any Syria soldier would surrender to the Syria rebel when they most likely will be tortured and then killed but now I am beginning to think that there is something in the human psyche that always opts for the option that preserves his life(even for an extra hour) over the sure death choice.
Ironically, the soldiers who accept death are the ones most likely to make it out alive. It makes it easier to function effectively, manage one's fear, and therefore survive.

A combatant that is willing to accept death has an advantage over an opponent who is not willing to risk death. Extrapolate that to politics. Socialist and communist truly believe in what they are doing, and will make any sacrifice to realize their objectives. As for their opponents ......

And some people wonder why the western world is going to hell..... If you have nothing for which you are willing to fight and die for, you probably will end up with little to live for -

[AFPVet]

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/burst.jpg (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/Pericles-photo/media/burst.jpg.html)

I remember burst... fun stuff lol. That's a good compromise between semi and auto, but unnecessary if you have a full powered round :)

[juleswin]

Ironically, the soldiers who accept death are the ones most likely to make it out alive. It makes it easier to function effectively, manage one's fear, and therefore survive.

A combatant that is willing to accept death has an advantage over an opponent who is not willing to risk death. Extrapolate that to politics. Socialist and communist truly believe in what they are doing, and will make any sacrifice to realize their objectives. As for their opponents ......

And some people wonder why the western world is going to hell..... If you have nothing for which you are willing to fight and die for, you probably will end up with little to live for -

Hmm, you make a very good point, but who really knows what they are going do when faced with such a hopeless situation? One thing I know for sure after this chat is that I would now consider standing my ground and fighting but I still wouldn't stand on the roof of my house shooting off my assault rifle :)

[AFPVet]

Hmm, you make a very good point, but who really knows what they are going do when faced with such a hopeless situation? One thing I know for sure after this chat is that I would now consider standing my ground and fighting but I still wouldn't stand on the roof of my house shooting off my assault rifle :)

Yeah... talk about saying "hey everybody, look at me... glaze me with your Mac 10s" lol. Use cover and concealment... move! Be a hard target... not a softy :)

[BlackTerrel]

Want to know why I need an "assault" weapon? Because the police can't stop, much less protect me from, large violent riots such as those happening in LA and Oakland over the Zimmerman decision. The police state cannot protect you. Only you can protect you and those you love and then only if you have the proper tools to do so. Events like these are the reason why assault weapons should not be banned. Banning weapons only cripples our ability to protect ourselves and the safety of the populace.

There were not large violent riots and if there were one gun wouldn't save you.

That said arming and training yourself is just common sense.

[oyarde]

Hmm, I still would surrender if my condition becomes completely hopeless that I will die if I continue shooting ala scenario Pericles used. There is a reason why soldiers sometimes surrender instead of going out in a blaze of glory when cornered. Surrender and they may take you and spare your family. Surrendering just like retreating still gives a chance albeit a tiny one to fight another day.

I used to wonder why any Syria soldier would surrender to the Syria rebel when they most likely will be tortured and then killed but now I am beginning to think that there is something in the human psyche that always opts for the option that preserves his life(even for an extra hour) over the sure death choice.

The avg human psyche may be weak, that is why there are people like me.I would never surrender , none of my people would as well.Not only did I teach them what may happen to them if they did , I taught them why they must not.

[alucard13mm]

Having 1 assault rifle vs 50 assault rifles is better than having 0 assault rifle vs 50 assault rifles... =)

[oyarde]

Ironically, the soldiers who accept death are the ones most likely to make it out alive. It makes it easier to function effectively, manage one's fear, and therefore survive.

A combatant that is willing to accept death has an advantage over an opponent who is not willing to risk death. Extrapolate that to politics. Socialist and communist truly believe in what they are doing, and will make any sacrifice to realize their objectives. As for their opponents ......

And some people wonder why the western world is going to hell..... If you have nothing for which you are willing to fight and die for, you probably will end up with little to live for -

John Stuart Mill , 1862 . " A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for , nothing he cares about more than his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free , unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself " .

[oyarde]

" On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who at the dawn of victory lay down to rest, and in resting died "

[oyarde]

You say mob , I see an oppurtunity for victory, lol

[ClydeCoulter]

I am a newcomer to arms in defense. I used to be a "turn the other cheek" kind of person, I was a Jesus Christian, as opposed to a Paulinian Christian.

But, I had always learned how to use the sling, like David. Archery and gunnery as well as any other things I set my hand to was to be observed and attended to with utmost accuracy and diligence. I used to practice with BB and pellet guns as well as bow. A hundred yard shot in the ass with a co2 bb pistol to teach a dog to stop bothering my girls. I find it to be an art, of sorts, and perhaps now a necessity.

[nobody's_hero]

I am a newcomer to arms in defense. I used to be a "turn the other cheek" kind of person, I was a Jesus Christian, as opposed to a Paulinian Christian.

But, I had always learned how to use the sling, like David. Archery and gunnery as well as any other things I set my hand to was to be observed and attended to with utmost accuracy and diligence. I used to practice with BB and pellet guns as well as bow. A hundred yard shot in the ass with a co2 bb pistol to teach a dog to stop bothering my girls. I find it to be an art, of sorts, and perhaps now a necessity.

I want to take up archery. Seems it would be a useful and re-usable tool to have as survival gear (maybe not for riots, but hunting). My plan is to not be anywhere near the cities when the riots hit.

[otherone]

Want to know why I need an "assault" weapon? Because the police can't stop, much less protect me from, large violent riots such as those happening in LA and Oakland over the Zimmerman decision.

In bold is why we can't have assault weapons. It's not about YOUR safety, mundane.

[PierzStyx]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.

And how much easier is it when I am completely disarmed? Then all the mob needs is more numbers, which it my definition already has. I would rather be armed and have a chance to fight than definitely be a subject to mob violence.

[PierzStyx]

There were not large violent riots and if there were one gun wouldn't save you.

That said arming and training yourself is just common sense.

Assault weapons are ideal weapons to use against mobs. And people react very differently when you start firing rounds so fast you can kill twenty of them before they reach you. Suddenly they rediscover their sense of self-preservation.

[PierzStyx]

There is no shame in retreating, re organizing and coming back to face a large group of enemy. Don't be that guy in the zombie movies that comes out shooting his gun at a horde of zombies just to end up dying a painful death. Suicide missions are for suckers, don't be that guy

Your life is worth more than it.

Rioters aren't zombies. I don't have to shoot them in teh head to kill them. Gut shots work nicely.

[PierzStyx]

"Large, violent riots" really wouldn't be how I'd describe them. I think a lot of people are disappointed that we aren't getting the huge race riots everywhere that were being pushed and predicted by the "conservative" media. Those "angry, savage blacks" aren't burning down cities or killing whites everywhere. Those threats on Twitter and Facebook aren't materializing. Being able to mow down hoards of angry black mobs with an assault weapon like zombies in Hollywood films may be a wet dream for some, but it's simply that; a dream.

I'm not singling you out OP or saying you want to do any of that, it's just a general observation and thought I had nowhere else to place at the moment.

I really don't make up these scenarios in my head where I have to plan out how I'm going to shoot a bunch of people or justify the right to bear arms over some protests. I understand the importance of 2A, but killing other people is usually the last thing on my mind. I don't have any fantasies of shooting a gun at other people and I hope I never have to use one on a fellow citizen. I simply don't think it looks good to speak of the perks of having an assault weapon based on some people protesting, but that's just me.

I could care less the race of the mob. And I don't want to kill anyone. But these riots just serve as an example of the need for assault weapons. They have turned violent on occasion and I know property damage in Oakland alone is in the tens of thousands at least. The inability of the police to contain even these "peaceful" protests gives proof that their assertion that I don't need assault weapons to protect myself because the police do is a lie. When violent riots do begin, say on the level of the Rodney King riots, assault weapons will be very effective self-defense against the mob that the police cannot protect me against.

[osan]

Remember, rioters could also be wielding their own Assault rifles. So in a way they cancel each other out. When your house is surrounded by a mob of rioters with all assortment of weapons, what good is that assault rifle? I just try to imagine how vulnerable the Korea fella was when he stood on top of his shop firing his assault rifle. All it would have taken was one, rioter with a scope and steady hands to take him out.

Testament to how little you know about several items.

Firstly, were those conditions prevailing the owner would have taken cover.

Secondly, being on the roof, the owner was in an advantageous position compared with those on the streets.

Thirdly, given such conditions, once forced into firing upon the approaching mob the owner would be shooting to kill. After having dropped two or three rioters the mob would run away. We are talking about an untrained, undisciplined, incoherent mob with no command structure, no clear objectives, and a high rate of bald-faced cowardice. A single man, well holed up in a store, would be able to turn away such a mob with little trouble.

You appear to think that things happen quite so easily under circumstances of open combat. I assure you that they do not and when the people involved are not trained and are simply out to vent their idiot's rage, things come even less easily. And the focus should be on "idiot's rage" because such people are looking for freebies in terms of license to act within the context of the fog of chaos that exists within a roiling mob. Such are not even cause-oriented persons, but rather mere pimps and looters looking to get away with something at little to no cost to themselves. When bullets start flying in their general direction, the only thing remaining on their minds is getting away as quickly as possible and not in storming the Bastille.

Get a grip. Buy a clue.

[osan]

I could care less the race of the mob. And I don't want to kill anyone. But these riots just serve as an example of the need for assault weapons.

Why do you insist on using this non-term? There is no such thing. Do you mean "assault rifle​"?

[AFPVet]

Why do you insist on using this non-term? There is no such thing. Do you mean "assault rifle​"?

Libtards came up with the term 'assault weapon'; however, this term already existed. An assault weapon is any rifle, carbine, or submachine gun that is select fire. These are the same people who refer to mags as clips lol.

Just because your rifle or carbine has scary looking furniture or a full capacity magazine doesn't make it select fire lol.

[Root]

I agree. Riots justify my "need" for owning arms. What's an effective way of explaining that to convince others?

[osan]

I agree. Riots justify my "need" for owning arms. What's an effective way of explaining that to convince others?

My possession of an assault rifle requires no justification. I am a free man. I am, therefore, entitled to possess and assault rifle simply because I will it and have the means of acquiring one non-criminally. By "non-criminally" I do not mean in a manner consistent with law, but rather with fundamental moral principle. I am in no way required to demonstrate "need". My will to possess and my morally correct means of acquiring are all that are required.

[oyarde]

The entire assault weapon thing is a ridiculous myth.There are weapons , tools and weapons , tools. Every man should have some , to defend his home , family , livestock etc. That is the choice , you have them and are capable , competent to do so , or, you rely on someone else to do it for you, most likely , after the fact .Which of these seems wise and prudent ? there is only one correct answer.That is all I have to say on this matter.if someone here needs help to learn to help themselves , I will do my best for you .

[PierzStyx]

Why do you insist on using this non-term? There is no such thing. Do you mean "assault rifle​"?

Mostly for purposes of communication with those who do not know better.