Anti drone protests peaceful, anti Zimmerman protests breaking windows - why ?

[enhanced_deficit]

Why one set of protests remained peaceful and other is starting to turn violent when drones killed many more children than Z-man?


http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=anti+drone+protest+windows


http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=anti+zimmerman+protest+windows

[enhanced_deficit]

At least Zimmerman shooting victim's family has had a day in court, not so for families of Obama drone victims.

Caution, photos:
http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/assets/images/content/pakistan-drone-victims.jpg

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=797&bih=378&q=drone+victims+children+obama&oq=drone+victims+children+obama&

[enhanced_deficit]

A difference between to cases.

anti drone hoodie:
http://ahprojects.com/wp-content/uploads/stealth-wear-hoodie-tate.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=anti+drone+hoodie&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=8N_TurZanW8JUM&tbnid=soC9uyoudq9SuM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fahprojects.com%2Fprojects%2Fsteal th-wear&ei=cwbmUazNLfig4AOvm4GYCg&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGgf4NlsnHHDb_wnNgAlKna4eUQAw&ust=1374115461919577)



anti Z-man hoodie:
http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ObamaTravonSonQuoteHoodies.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=anti+zimmerman+hoodie&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=IUuItjKFVoXM_M&tbnid=t0p_o4b_aB8nCM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tpnn.com%2Fdepartment-of-injustice-obama-government-organized-protests-against-george-zimmerman%2F&ei=WQbmUajEFePl4AOZ24G4BA&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNHpbBNULiyPuQwMRl71SMctWHLvxQ&ust=1374115504892554)

[UpperDecker]

I would say that the drone protesters are a more informed and educated crowd. The Martin protests seems to have a lot more ignorance (admittedly, I am basing this on Twitter posts).

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/HWuYsmj.gif

[enhanced_deficit]

I would say that the drone protesters are a more informed and educated crowd. The Martin protests seems to have a lot more ignorance (admittedly, I am basing this on Twitter posts).

I'm hoping to find additional explanation to avoid reaching that conclusion.

Also, another differenc is that controvercial neocons plant did not inject himself to fan flames of rarcial emotions and media did not give minute by minute coverage to drone strikes victims stories or non-existing trials as they did to Zimmerman strike victims trial.


Obama: 'If I Had A Son, He'd Look Like Trayvon' - Huffington Post (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=obama%20trayvon%20son&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2012%2F0 3%2F23%2Fobama-trayvon-martin_n_1375083.html&ei=MBHmUeKDGvjK4APr1oCACw&usg=AFQjCNHzxId4iEfJFhcAvqNYsPxu8SQxCg&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg)
Mar 23, 2012 - WASHINGTON, D.C. -- For the first time since the controversy erupted on the national scene, President Barack Obama weighed in on the killing ...







http://i.imgur.com/HWuYsmj.gif

Thanks for stopping by CPUd :)

[UpperDecker]

I'm hoping to find additional explanation to avoid reaching that conclusion.

Also, another differenc is that controvercial neocons plant did not inject himself to fan flames of rarcial emotions and media did not give minute by minute coverage to drone strikes victims stories or non-existing trials as they did to Zimmerman strike victims trial.







Thanks for stopping by CPUd :)

What I meant by my post was the fact that people protesting drones have a very firm knowledge of what they are protesting, while those protesting for Martin are protesting even though there is a HUGE piece of information missing (who started the fight?). A lot of the Martin protesters are acting like he was some angel when it was a tragic end to two idiots meeting at the wrong time. It also seems that there are more people with the Martin protests that just want to stir crap up in a bad way, where I haven't seen anybody like that with the drone protests.

[enhanced_deficit]

Ok good points UD, and I agree.

[Cleaner44]

Looks like the Zimmerman protesters will soon be declared terrorists and will earn a drone strike...


Oakland Anti-Zimmerman Protesters Burn American Flag
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Burnflag1.jpg
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Oakland-anti-Zimmerman-flag-burn

[Cleaner44]

Los Angeles domestic terrorist movement (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/16/19503222-lapd-chief-to-violent-zimmerman-protesters-you-come-here-again-tonight-you-will-go-to-jail)

[enhanced_deficit]

Looks like the Zimmerman protesters will soon be declared terrorists and will earn a drone strike...


Oakland Anti-Zimmerman Protesters Burn American Flag
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Burnflag1.jpg
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Oakland-anti-Zimmerman-flag-burn


All right, this would be interesting.

Don't know if anyone from plants neecon masters team has read above news, would be curious to see how they will respond.

[Cleaner44]

Houston domestic terrorist movement (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9174082)

[enhanced_deficit]

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=anti+zimmerman+protest+windows


This is bit weird when just clicked on above link again now, look at result # 4. And that wasn't 21 hrs ago, thread was posted couple of hours ago.



George Zimmerman verdict: Protesters break windows and start ... (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-verdict-protesters-break-windows-start-small-fires-oakland-article-1.1398356)www.nydailynews.com/.../zimmerman-verdict-protesters-break-windows-st...
3 days ago - An Oakland man throws a trash can at the window of a building during a protest following the George Zimmerman verdict.



Zimmerman Protesters Burning Flags, Busting Windows ... (http://freepatriot.org/2013/07/15/zimmerman-protesters-burning-flags-busting-windows-vandalizing-businesses-and-more/)freepatriot.org/.../zimmerman-protesters-burning-flags-busting-windows-...‎
2 days ago - ... Filmmaker Gets Beaten Up At Anti-Zimmerman Protests For Filming ... Sunday morning in which protesters smashed police car windows, ...




Post Zimmerman Verdict Protests Held on Both Sides of Bay | NBC ... (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Downtown-Oakland-Damaged-in-Zimmerman-Verdict-Protest-215435751.html)www.nbcbayarea.com › news (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news) › local (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/)‎
1 day ago - An anti-war and anti-racism activist group has called an emergencymarch in ... Store owners on Monday began to board up broken windows and clean up tagging ... Hundreds Gather in Oakland to Protest Zimmerman Verdict.



Anti drone protests peaceful, anti Zimmerman protests breaking ... (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421437-Anti-drone-protests-peaceful-anti-Zimmerman-protests-breaking-windows-why)www.ronpaulforums.com › ... › General Politics (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?23-General-Politics)
21 hours ago - 1 post - 1 author
Why one set of protests remained peaceful and other is starting to turn ... .google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=anti+zimmerman+protest+windows.

[daviddee]

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[enhanced_deficit]

Ok that sounds like a reasonable explanation david. Good point.

[Cleaner44]

Oakland domestic terrorist movement (http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/07/16/oakland-protests-trayvon-martin/)

[enhanced_deficit]

Looks like the Zimmerman protesters will soon be declared terrorists and will earn a drone strike...


Oakland Anti-Zimmerman Protesters Burn American Flag
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Burnflag1.jpg
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Oakland-anti-Zimmerman-flag-burn


Oakland domestic terrorist movement (http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/07/16/oakland-protests-trayvon-martin/)

To be fair, while anti drone protests in US/UK/Germany have been peaceful, there had been news reports of anti drone protesters burning flags and effigies in some other countries:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/drone-kids.jpg?w=468&h=468 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=drone%20children&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=TcWtj3VsQDfUEM&tbnid=8pK5pO6kTF7ozM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwillyloman.wordpress.com%2F2012%2 F12%2F22%2Fsandy-hook-shootings%2F&ei=UDjmUYfeIa_e4AOtlIGABQ&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNFlD7qyQNrugbHgbuxAiakwXlaZ-Q&ust=1374128411299069)



https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/23310/width668/2m8ct2wm-1367901076.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=drone%20protest%20obama%20effigy&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=IgQIDY3Hy9ptFM&tbnid=-WHg4ygJinm68M:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheconversation.com%2Fimran-khan-jewish-agent-welcome-to-the-wonderful-world-of-pakistani-politics-13975&ei=kTbmUeLnAbHG4AOnyYG4Bw&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNG9rIo5HNLhc1CVzfIXHv_N27dp7Q&ust=1374127583240629)



http://moonbattery.com/obama-hanged-in-effigy.jpg



In unrelated news , Bill Clnton wife Hillary is apparently offering prayers for Martin's as well as families of Obama drone srike victims:

Hillary Clinton offers prayers for Martin family (http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/16/3503411/hillary-clinton-offers-prayers.html)





WASHINGTON -- Former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is offering her prayers for the family of Trayvon Martin and, in her words, "every family who loves someone who is lost to violence.

[enhanced_deficit]

On semi related note, his trial is being pretty much ignored by TV media:

No jury trial for Beale AFB anti-drone protesters

Against a backdrop of furor – both at home and abroad – over the Obama administration's use of killer drones, five protesters who oppose the policy and who are charged with trespassing at Beale Air Force Base were told Thursday by a federal judge that they will not get a jury trial.
Defense lawyer Mark Reichel said when contacted after the hearing: "This is a political prosecution, and the defendants should not be judged by a branch of the federal government but by a jury of their peers."
The hearing was short, but not so sweet for the defense. In addition to denying the defendants a jury trial, U.S. Magistrate Judge Carolyn K. Delaney barred them from claiming that their actions were a benefit to society.
The U.S. attorney's office in Sacramento did not want the protesters to have a jury trial. After hauling the five into court on a charge of entering the base for an unlawful purpose – a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in prison, a year of supervised release and a $5,000 fine, or five years on probation – the office argued that the crime is not serious, and thus not legally worthy of a jury trial.


Defense lawyers, on the other hand, insist there is nothing to prevent a court from convening a jury trial in any criminal prosecution.
Article III, Section 2 of the U. S. Constitution states: "The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury. … "

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/06/28/5530481/no-jury-trial-for-beale-afb-anti.html

[BlackTerrel]

Why one set of protests remained peaceful and other is starting to turn violent when drones killed many more children than Z-man?

This is a false premise. The vast majority of Zimmerman protests have been peaceful.

[enhanced_deficit]

This is a false premise. The vast majority of Zimmerman protests have been peaceful.

Vast majorities of Iraqis were peaceful and yet that operation based on false premises still cost us over $1 Trillion.

Premise here is fine, you retort is based on fallacious reasoning I think. Point is relative comparison and not total condemnation of any group.

[KEEF]

A difference between to cases.

anti drone hoodie:
http://ahprojects.com/wp-content/uploads/stealth-wear-hoodie-tate.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=anti+drone+hoodie&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=8N_TurZanW8JUM&tbnid=soC9uyoudq9SuM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fahprojects.com%2Fprojects%2Fsteal th-wear&ei=cwbmUazNLfig4AOvm4GYCg&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGgf4NlsnHHDb_wnNgAlKna4eUQAw&ust=1374115461919577)



anti Z-man hoodie:
http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ObamaTravonSonQuoteHoodies.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=anti+zimmerman+hoodie&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=IUuItjKFVoXM_M&tbnid=t0p_o4b_aB8nCM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tpnn.com%2Fdepartment-of-injustice-obama-government-organized-protests-against-george-zimmerman%2F&ei=WQbmUajEFePl4AOZ24G4BA&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNHpbBNULiyPuQwMRl71SMctWHLvxQ&ust=1374115504892554)

Unfortunately the MSM's narrative makes our Drone hoodies look like this...http://mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/tinfoil_6.jpg

[KEEF]

Looks like the Zimmerman protesters will soon be declared terrorists and will earn a drone strike...


Oakland Anti-Zimmerman Protesters Burn American Flag
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Burnflag1.jpg
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Oakland-anti-Zimmerman-flag-burn
No, they don't look Muslim. If the administration droned them, then they would have to deal with NAACP. If they looked of Middle-eastern decent, then MSM would say they were Gihadist, and then no one would give it a second thought.

[BlackTerrel]

Vast majorities of Iraqis were peaceful and yet that operation based on false premises still cost us over $1 Trillion.

Premise here is fine, you retort is based on fallacious reasoning I think. Point is relative comparison and not total condemnation of any group.

What is the point you are trying to make? I get that you don't like the Iraq war. None of us do. But your comparisons make no sense.

Your initial point that Zimmerman protests weren't peaceful is wrong. 99% of them were peaceful.

[BlackTerrel]

...

[BlackTerrel]

Are Zimmerman protesters still rioting?

Oh yeah that's right. Most everyone is making their voice heard on the streets and on social media. 99.9% of us don't resort to violence.

[Tod]

I haven't read the whole thread, but maybe the Trayvon protestors doth protest too much? In other words, maybe they are just looking for an excuse to loot?

[BlackTerrel]

I haven't read the whole thread, but maybe the Trayvon protestors doth protest too much? In other words, maybe they are just looking for an excuse to loot?

99.9% of them are just having their voices heard. No violence or property damage.

[enhanced_deficit]

What is the point you are trying to make? I get that you don't like the Iraq war. None of us do. But your comparisons make no sense.

Your initial point that Zimmerman protests weren't peaceful is wrong. 99% of them were peaceful.

I thought it was self explanatory considering our prevalent American sensibilities and decision to invade Iraq with full knowledge that 99% of Iraqis were peaceful - before we invaded them. What do you mean I don't like Iraq war, is there anyone with functioning moral concience who likes it? It seemed like good example of universal truth.

Point I was trying to make is that if we were looking for grossly stereo typical pro-violence collectivists,we found them - it was us.

If 100% of drone protesters were peaceful, why 1% of Z-man protesters went violent?

I have yet to understand where you stand and what point you are trying to make by supporting the Z-man protesters without calling out bigger crimes under our noses.

[BlackTerrel]

I thought it was self explanatory considering our prevalent American sensibilities and decision to invade Iraq with full knowledge that 99% of Iraqis were peaceful - before we invaded them. What do you mean I don't like Iraq war, is there anyone with functioning moral concience who likes it? It seemed like good example of universal truth.

Point I was trying to make is that if we were looking for grossly stereo typical pro-violence collectivists,we found them - it was us.

If 100% of drone protesters were peaceful, why 1% of Z-man protesters went violent?

I have yet to understand where you stand and what point you are trying to make by supporting the Z-man protesters without calling out bigger crimes under our noses.

Are you asking why did a tiny minority of Zimmerman protesters broke a couple windows? Because a tiny minority of a group of 100,000 are idiots who just wanted to break windows.

Or are you asking why aren't drone protesters breaking windows?

By the way you must mean in this country right? Not in other countries where violence has been more significant than a couple windows broken.

[Ender]

I thought it was self explanatory considering our prevalent American sensibilities and decision to invade Iraq with full knowledge that 99% of Iraqis were peaceful - before we invaded them. What do you mean I don't like Iraq war, is there anyone with functioning moral concience who likes it? It seemed like good example of universal truth.

Point I was trying to make is that if we were looking for grossly stereo typical pro-violence collectivists,we found them - it was us.

If 100% of drone protesters were peaceful, why 1% of Z-man protesters went violent?

I have yet to understand where you stand and what point you are trying to make by supporting the Z-man protesters without calling out bigger crimes under our noses.

Drone protests in the US are peaceful because no one here has been hit by a drone- yet. Might change if Americans become targeted.

[amy31416]

Drone protests in the US are peaceful because no one here has been hit by a drone- yet. Might change if Americans become targeted.

I would hope so.

[enhanced_deficit]

Are you asking why did a tiny minority of Zimmerman protesters broke a couple windows? Because a tiny minority of a group of 100,000 are idiots who just wanted to break windows.

Or are you asking why aren't drone protesters breaking windows?

By the way you must mean in this country right? Not in other countries where violence has been more significant than a couple windows broken.

After thinking this through, I realized you could have easily shown that premise of this thread was false by stating that Boston Marathon bombing was "a very violent anti-drone protest". But you didn't. In any case I concede that this thread compiled in hurry was based on false premise.


Boston bombing suspect cites U.S. wars as motivation, officials say

The note -- scrawled with a marker on the interior wall of the cabin -- said the bombings were retribution for U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, and called the Boston victims "collateral damage" in the same way Muslims have been in the American-led wars.

Obama has made repairing U.S. relations with the Islamic world a foreign policy priority, even as he has expanded drone operations in Pakistan and other countries, which has inflamed Muslim public opinion.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/boston-bombing-suspect-cites-us-wars-as-motivation-officials-say/2013/04/23/324b9cea-ac29-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70e_story.html


On Sunday's NBC Meet the Press, special correspondent Tom Brokaw used a discussion on the Boston Marathon bombings to argue more broadly that the "roots" of anti-American terrorism across the Islamic world are U.S. drone attacks: "I think we also have to examine the use of drones that the United States is involved in and – and there are a lot of civilians who are innocently killed in a drone attack in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, and in Iraq."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2013/04/22/nbcs-brokaw-blames-us-drone-attacks-motivating-boston-bombers (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2013/04/22/nbcs-brokaw-blames-us-drone-attacks-motivating-boston-bombers#ixzz2TiSpsU00)