George Zimmerman Verdict: NOT GUILTY!

[FrankRep]

July 13, 2013


George Zimmerman Verdict: Not Guilty
- Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/zimmerman-trial-jurors-request-clarification-on-manslaughter-instructions/2013/07/13/3a26dbbe-ec0c-11e2-aa9f-c03a72e2d342_story.html?hpid=z1)
- ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-verdict-guilty/story?id=19653300#.UeIJ4m14muA)
- USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-found-not-guilty/2514163/)




http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/c09fecc88d711e905111b32447ec4faa_M.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15981-zimmerman-not-guilty-unrest-and-calls-for-federal-charges-begin)

Zimmerman Not Guilty; Unrest and Calls for Federal Charges Begin (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15981-zimmerman-not-guilty-unrest-and-calls-for-federal-charges-begin)


The verdict in the Zimmerman case was hardly a surprise to those closely following the case. But despite the evidence supporting the jury's decision, unrest and calls for federal charges have already begun.




The Other Side:


NAACP Is 'Outraged And Heartbroken,' And Will Pursue 'Civil Rights Charges' Against George Zimmerman (http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-not-guilty-naacp-verdict-civil-rights-2013-7)


Al Sharpton: 'Slap in the Face to Those Who Believe in Justice in This Country' (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sharpton-slap-face-those-who-believe-justice-country_739351.html)

'The system has failed': Crowds react to Zimmerman verdict (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/zimmerman-jury-deliberations-draw-crowds/2514307/)

Zimmerman verdict sparks worry of riots (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/12/zimmerman-verdict-police-prep/2511995/)

Death Threats Against Zimmerman Have Begun (http://www.punditpress.com/2013/07/death-threats-against-zimmerman-have.html)



Self-Defense Declared Legal


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9x9Vgq3ca3Y/UL1uJKYtEaI/AAAAAAAAFDU/KrGAiv1Xfps/s1600/zimmerman_scene_photo.jpg

http://elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/elite-daily-george-zimmerman-head-injury.jpg

[Natural Citizen]

Ok. Well. When does the riot start?

[fisharmor]

Well, I'll definitely be carrying with one in the pipe for a while.

[CPUd]

Since they added manslaughter to the jury instructions, does double jeopardy apply for manslaughter?

[supermario21]

We need another Ron Paul Political Report Special Edition

[klamath]

Brave women.

[COpatriot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

[madengr]

Well, I'll definitely be carrying with one in the pipe for a while.

Should always carry with one in the pipe, or might as well carry a brick.

[ronpaulfollower999]

This state attorney is a moron, and leave it to NBC to ask a stupid question.

[FSP-Rebel]

:eek:

[JK/SEA]

Well, I'll definitely be carrying with one in the pipe for a while.

stay out of the cities for a few.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/viOeDjo.jpg

[daviddee]

...

[amy31416]

Any twitter folks seeing any reports of riots? I'm supposed to go into the city tomorrow and am wondering if I should be paranoid or not.

[FSP-Rebel]

http://i.imgur.com/viOeDjo.jpg
Ah yes, first impressions are everything dontchaknow. Tigers get their ass beat and now this, I'm glad I didn't go to the game tonight. I always park in the $30 parking next to the gate so we can just dip after the game and skip the gauntlet. At least they can afford lights being on in that section of town.

[Contumacious]

Not Guilty: George Zimmerman acquitted in the death of Trayvon Martin, jury finds.


July 13, 2013


George Zimmerman Verdict: Not Guilty (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-verdict-guilty/story?id=19653300#.UeIJ4m14muA)
ABC News

George Zimmerman found not guilty (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-found-not-guilty/2514163/)
USA Today


Zimmerman jury reaches a verdict (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
CNN



Self-Defense Declared Legal


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9x9Vgq3ca3Y/UL1uJKYtEaI/AAAAAAAAFDU/KrGAiv1Xfps/s1600/zimmerman_scene_photo.jpg

http://elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/elite-daily-george-zimmerman-head-injury.jpg

:);):D

[asurfaholic]

Good to know it is acceptable to shoot and kill someone who is bashing your head into a concrete surface after you noticed they were suspiciously out of place..

[oyarde]

Please keep in mind that this is 'merica (fuck yeah). Zimmerman just won the State of Florida case.

There are two more coming:

1. Civil case by the Martin family.
2. Civil rights case by Eric Holder

In 'merica, we will keep in suing and bringing charges on every level until you are broke and locked up in a rape cage.

-Fuck yeah

That is correct , he will have to disappear.

[gwax23]

Good.

[JK/SEA]

That is correct , he will have to disappear.

yep...lose weight, grow your hair, get some eye-glasses...

[LibertyEagle]

He should sue the hell out of whoever edited that 911 call and the media for portraying Trayvon as a 12 year old, instead of the 17 year old that he was.

[Carlybee]

Well the libs on my FB page are all butthurt and saying riots are justified

[daviddee]

...

[FrankRep]

Well the libs on my FB page are all butthurt and saying riots are justified
They are Liberals, they have no concept of private property or theft.

[gwax23]

Well the libs on my FB page are all butthurt and saying riots are justified

This. Idiots probably didnt even follow the case now they act like they are some sort of experts.

[FrankRep]

Al Sharpton: 'Slap in the Face to Those Who Believe in Justice in This Country' (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sharpton-slap-face-those-who-believe-justice-country_739351.html)

[madengr]

Scanner feeds:

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/?rl=rr

Seminole county, FL:

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/374

[COpatriot]

Al Sharpton: 'Slap in the Face to Those Who Believe in Justice in This Country' (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sharpton-slap-face-those-who-believe-justice-country_739351.html)

Or Al Charlatan as I refer to him.

[Root]

Well the libs on my FB page are all butthurt and saying riots are justified
I really enjoy the ones with the skittles and ice tea pics :toady:

[CPUd]

Ah yes, first impressions are everything dontchaknow. Tigers get their ass beat and now this, I'm glad I didn't go to the game tonight. I always park in the $30 parking next to the gate so we can just dip after the game and skip the gauntlet. At least they can afford lights being on in that section of town.

Good to know. I'll be in the area next week.

[Carlybee]

This. Idiots probably didnt even follow the case now they act like they are some sort of experts.

Yep and they are mostly all white too.

[AuH20]

Yep and they are mostly all white too.

And still believe that Obamacare will reduce their premiums. ;)

[supermario21]

Jeff Toobin on CNN was utterly entertaining to listen to...have MSNBC on now. MHP will be up after this defense presser FYI.

[AuH20]

What do the celebrity twitter accounts look like? I wonder if Hispanic and Latino celebrities are trashing Zimmerman the white?

[69360]

The state never had a case. He was only charged because of all the racial bs.

That said Martin and Zimmerman were both dumbasses and we are all stupider for even reading about this.

[seyferjm]

Yep and they are mostly all white too.

The white libs on my FB are whining like crazy.

[FrankRep]

Breaking:

NAACP Is 'Outraged And Heartbroken,' And Will Pursue 'Civil Rights Charges' Against George Zimmerman (http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-not-guilty-naacp-verdict-civil-rights-2013-7)


The NAACP said late Saturday that it was "outraged and heartbroken" over the not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, vowing to pursue "civil rights charges" with the Department of Justice.

"We are outraged and heartbroken over today’s verdict," said Ben Jealous, president and CEO of the NAACP. "We stand with Trayvon’s family and we are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed."

[krugminator]

Go on Twitter and do a search for Tweets with "George Zimmerman" in them. It seems as though a few people are mad about the outcome. LOL.

[Michigan11]

I'm damn glad he was found not guilty we don't need political correctness prevailing any further than it already is and has.

[liveandletlive]

The state never had a case. He was only charged because of all the racial bs.

That said Martin and Zimmerman were both dumbasses and we are all stupider for even reading about this.

Angela Corey's marbles really arent all there IMO

[nayjevin]

Self-Defense Declared Legal

get real... isn't there enough inciting already??

[liveandletlive]

I'm damn glad he was found not guilty we don't need political correctness prevailing any further than it already is and has.

When OJ was acquitted, black people celebrated. We really are a fucked up country, all thanks to slavery.

[COpatriot]

MHP: verdict says its ok to kill a young black person who has not committed a crime.

So assault is not a crime? I can just go out and punch someone and its ok? Good to know.

[satchelmcqueen]

all i can say is yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

i think it was self defense all the way. nothing to do with race. and also this doesnt set a bad precedence for self defense down the road for other people in said situation.

[squarepusher]

Since they added manslaughter to the jury instructions, does double jeopardy apply for manslaughter?
yes


This state attorney is a moron, and leave it to NBC to ask a stupid question.
Agree, state attorney failed pretty bad

[squarepusher]

Since they added manslaughter to the jury instructions, does double jeopardy apply for manslaughter?


This state attorney is a moron, and leave it to NBC to ask a stupid question.


all i can say is yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

i think it was self defense all the way. nothing to do with race. and also this doesnt set a bad precedence for self defense down the road for other people in said situation.

how is it self defense, if he stalked this kid in his car, with a gun, and come out at him? Seems like he picked a fight with a gun against an unarmed kid and lost, then pulled to shoot.

[ClydeCoulter]

Breaking:

NAACP Is 'Outraged And Heartbroken,' And Will Pursue 'Civil Rights Charges' Against George Zimmerman (http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-not-guilty-naacp-verdict-civil-rights-2013-7)


The NAACP said late Saturday that it was "outraged and heartbroken" over the not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, vowing to pursue "civil rights charges" with the Department of Justice.

"We are outraged and heartbroken over today’s verdict," said Ben Jealous, president and CEO of the NAACP. "We stand with Trayvon’s family and we are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed."

Really? How do these names keep showing up like this? Been Jealous long?

edit: And we wonder why the TV station posted names like they did about the Asiana flight.

[Contumacious]

yes


Agree, state attorney failed pretty bad

HUH?

Didn't they teach at the government school that 0+0=0?

.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Really? How do these names keep showing up like this? Been Jealous long?

Before he put on weight, he looked quite a bit like Vince Vaughn.

[Antischism]

Just saw this

http://i.imgur.com/gzyuFLH.gif?1?7246

[COpatriot]

http://s751.photobucket.com/user/ukrany1/media/birdmansidesightsnk9_zpse4a3b087.jpg.html

[RickyJ]

When OJ was acquitted, black people celebrated. We really are a fucked up country, all thanks to slavery.

All thanks to people allowing a certain cult to rule America. People practicing real Christianity would have not let the government ever get like this, or permit slavery ever to be legal. We are unfortunately only a Christian in name only nation, rather than a true Christian nation.

[Bastiat's The Law]

Imagine the liberals riots there would be without any Second Amendment protection.

[ronpaulfollower999]

how is it self defense, if he stalked this kid in his car, with a gun, and come out at him? Seems like he picked a fight with a gun against an unarmed kid and lost, then pulled to shoot.

Eyewitnesses said Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon doing "MMA style fighting" on top. Zimmerman ends up with bloody nose and bloody head. State ballistics expert said that the gun was only a few inches away from Trayvon's sweatshirt when he was shot.

[liveandletlive]

Imagine the liberals riots there would be without any Second Amendment protection.

where are those riots btw...i guess Alex Jones is wrong yet again.

[liveandletlive]

Eyewitnesses said Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon doing "MMA style fighting" on top. Zimmerman ends up with bloody nose and bloody head. State ballistics expert said that the gun was only a few inches away from Trayvon's sweatshirt when he was shot.

at the end of the day, we only know the account of ZIMMERMAN. the other witness is DEAD. We will never know what REALLY happened.

The correct verdict was reached based on the facts, and thats all there is to it. Theres no reason for anyone to celebrate, but hey thats human nature

[krugminator]

Imagine the liberals riots there would be without any Second Amendment protection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCiC6qTtjs

[FrankRep]

where are those riots btw...i guess Alex Jones is wrong yet again.

There were threats of Riots so Alex Jones is not wrong.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/944212_10201744838209817_1891460188_n.jpg

[AuH20]

MSNBC is melting down. Talking about gun owners being responsible for Trayvon's death for the implementation of your "Stand Your Ground" law in Florida.

[AuH20]

Progs need to be shipped and sent to Antarctica. I can't stand these people. Wackjobs.

[squarepusher]

Eyewitnesses said Zimmerman was on the ground with Trayvon doing "MMA style fighting" on top. Zimmerman ends up with bloody nose and bloody head. State ballistics expert said that the gun was only a few inches away from Trayvon's sweatshirt when he was shot.

Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

[green73]

Zimmerman's bro is destroying slimeball Piers.

[LibertyEagle]

Zimmerman's bro is destroying slimeball Piers.

Yes, he was very well-spoken. :)

[LibertyEagle]

Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

The evidence showed that Zimmerman was heading back to his car. Trayvon circled him and then attacked him and proceeded to beat the hell out of him. Trayvon was not the innocent child that the media tried their best to portray.

[Cutlerzzz]

Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

When you bang their head into the curb.

[Feeding the Abscess]

The evidence showed that Zimmerman was heading back to his car. Trayvon circled him and then pounced on him and proceeded to beat the hell out of him. Trayvon was not the innocent child that the media tried their best to portray.

Trayvon clearly punched him at least once, but he didn't beat the hell out of him. That's hyperbole in the extreme. Zimmerman would have several broken facial bones, several cuts, and clear facial swelling had he been beaten badly. Doesn't change that Martin was on top of him and struck him at least once, however. Plus the contact with the concrete.

[RickyJ]

Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

Since when is it OK to let someone beat the crap out of you and how long should you let them before defending yourself? Please try pushing circles, it is much easier.

[squarepusher]

The evidence showed that Zimmerman was heading back to his car. Trayvon circled him and then attacked him and proceeded to beat the hell out of him. Trayvon was not the innocent child that the media tried their best to portray.

What evidence shows Zimmerman heading back to his car? How did he get out of his car with his loaded gun?

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking and take the infraction for it. You're a f*cking idiot.


Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

[Don Lapre]

Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

If you research Florida's Stand-Your-Ground law, you'll find your answer.


The 2nd degree murder charge was ridiculous.

Oh well...

[squarepusher]

Since when is it OK to let someone beat the crap out of you and how long should you let them before defending yourself? Please try pushing circles, it is much easier.

Defending himself? So how come it isn't OK for Trayvon to kill Zimmerman with his fists in self defense? How did Zimmerman get out of his car when we was stalking Trayvon with a loaded weapon?



If you research Florida's Stand-Your-Ground law, you'll find your answer.


The 2nd degree murder charge was ridiculous.

Oh well...
ok, Trayvon is not allowed to stand his ground?

[amy31416]

What evidence shows Zimmerman heading back to his car? How did he get out of his car with his loaded gun?

I think it was GPS data. And I suspect it's easy to get out of a car with a loaded gun that's in a holster attached to your hip.

[LibertyEagle]

Defending himself? So how come it isn't OK for Trayvon to kill Zimmerman with his fists in self defense? How did Zimmerman get out of his car when we was stalking Trayvon with a loaded weapon?

ok, Trayvon is not allowed to stand his ground?

The gun was holstered.

Trayvon jumped Zimmerman; not the other way around.

He was getting his head bashed ON CONCRETE.

It is more than reasonable that he feared for his life.

It was self-defense.

[squarepusher]

I think it was GPS data. And I suspect it's easy to get out of a car with a loaded gun that's in a holster attached to your hip.

GPS data? I think you are wrong thats not even really plausible.


The gun was holstered.

Trayvon jumped Zimmerman; not the other way around.

He was getting his head bashed ON CONCRETE.

It is more than reasonable that he feared for his life.

It was self-defense.

how did Trayvon jump Zimmerman when he was in his SUV stalking Trayvon for several blocks?

[Don Lapre]

Defending himself? So how come it isn't OK for Trayvon to kill Zimmerman with his fists in self defense? How did Zimmerman get out of his car when we was stalking Trayvon with a loaded weapon?



ok, Trayvon is not allowed to stand his ground?

Is there any evidence at all that Trayvon legitimately felt an unlawful threat?

I'm aware of none.

[green73]

GPS data? I think you are wrong.

Cell phone data.They can't track you within a few feet.

[amy31416]

GPS data? I think you are wrong.

Okay.

I think you're wrong about Zimmerman riding around cowboy style on his six-shooter lookin' to gun down a negro boy.

[squarepusher]

Is there any evidence at all that Trayvon legitimately felt an unlawful threat?

I'm aware of none.

analyze what you just said. Evidence of someone feeling something, if that someone is dead. No, there can't be.

[amy31416]

Cell phone data.They can't track you within a foot or two.

That's what I meant. Thanks.

Oh yeah--can't forget that Trayvon's data for that day magically disappeared.

[squarepusher]

That's what I meant. Thanks.

Oh yeah--can't forget that Trayvon's data for that day magically disappeared.

so Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman now, it makes sense now.

I can't believe you people are siding with Zimmerman, he is just as bad as the bully cops out there that we fight against, who kill dogs/people/squirrel/anything that 'intimidates' them.

[amy31416]

so Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman now, it makes sense now.

There was mutual stalking, it seems. But only one attacked.

You haven't really followed the case, have you?

[ClydeCoulter]

so Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman now, it makes sense now.

Damn SP, it wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt of innocence, but of guilt.

[brushfire]

The captivation reminded me of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-0ha0NlRNk

[matt0611]

so Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman now, it makes sense now.

I can't believe you people are siding with Zimmerman, he is just as bad as the bully cops out there that we fight against, who kill dogs/people/squirrel/anything that 'intimidates' them.

Stalking has a legal definition. What GZ did was not considered "stalking" legally speaking.

[rockandrollsouls]

No, he hasn't. Just a troll. Nothing to see here.


There was mutual stalking, it seems. But only one attacked.

You haven't really followed the case, have you?

[FrankRep]

so Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman now, it makes sense now.

What actually happened:


The evidence showed that Zimmerman was heading back to his car. Trayvon circled him and then attacked him and proceeded to beat the hell out of him. Trayvon was not the innocent child that the media tried their best to portray.

[RickyJ]

Trayvon clearly punched him at least once, but he didn't beat the hell out of him. That's hyperbole in the extreme. Zimmerman would have several broken facial bones, several cuts, and clear facial swelling had he been beaten badly. Doesn't change that Martin was on top of him and struck him at least once, however. Plus the contact with the concrete.

It all depends on where Trayvon was hitting him. If he was hitting him in the chest then you obviously would see that on the face.

[Don Lapre]

analyze what you just said. Evidence of someone feeling something, if that someone is dead. No, there can't be.

Then what has you assuming that Trayvon did feel threatened?

[squarepusher]

There was mutual stalking, it seems. But only one attacked.

You haven't really followed the case, have you?

So from an objective perspective, if 2 parties were mutually stalking eachother (which for the record I think is a ridiculous claim), then wouldn't it be correct to say the person who exited their vehicle with a loaded weapon was the one who attacked? Or was Zimmerman just stepping out to do some pushups and sprints, and viciously attacked by ruthless hooligan Trayvon??

[green73]

Cnn attacking the defense. LOL

[amy31416]

No, he hasn't. Just a troll. Nothing to see here.

I don't think he's a troll, I just don't think he followed the case at all and has some bad 3rd hand info.

[ClydeCoulter]

Damn SP, it wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt of innocence, but of guilt.

this SquarePusher

[amy31416]

So from an objective perspective, if 2 parties were mutually stalking eachother (which for the record I think is a ridiculous claim), then wouldn't it be correct to say the person who exited their vehicle with a loaded weapon was the one who attacked? Or was Zimmerman just stepping out to do some pushups and sprints, and viciously attacked by ruthless hooligan Trayvon??

Man--I'm not going to write the Cliff's Notes version of this entire trial. All the info is out there, go with the facts as much as possible and stay away from any obviously left/right websites.

It seems you don't know much about it--not saying that to be rude, but it's just obvious, and I haven't followed it nearly as much as many here.

[matt0611]

So from an objective perspective, if 2 parties were mutually stalking eachother (which for the record I think is a ridiculous claim), then wouldn't it be correct to say the person who exited their vehicle with a loaded weapon was the one who attacked? Or was Zimmerman just stepping out to do some pushups and sprints, and viciously attacked by ruthless hooligan Trayvon??


Why do the people that side with TM always resort to ridiculous statements?

He got out of his car and he was armed. And????? That's not a crime to be armed!! Its not a crime to follow someone in a public street! And its NOT a crime to follow someone while armed in a public street.

If I see you on the street and decide to follow you I can legally do that while armed. That is NOT stalking. That is NOT a crime!

What don't you get? This has been rehashed over and over and over.

GZ got out of his car to find the street he was near (read the nearby street sign) so the police could get there.

[RickyJ]

Defending himself? So how come it isn't OK for Trayvon to kill Zimmerman with his fists in self defense? How did Zimmerman get out of his car when we was stalking Trayvon with a loaded weapon?



ok, Trayvon is not allowed to stand his ground?

How the heck is it self defense when he was the one on top hitting him while Zimmerman was the one of the ground screaming? You aren't going by the facts of this case at all. Why even post about it?

[satchelmcqueen]

ok ill tell you what. come to my place at night where you shouldnt be and see if i dont follow your ass until you leave or give me a damn good well mannered reason for being there. if you convince me ill go home. if not, ill stay right there until the cops come and ask you what the hell youre doing there. and if you punch me, ill try my best to whip your ass until the threat is done. am i supposed to just lay in wait until you have your way with me? come on man.,
how is it self defense, if he stalked this kid in his car, with a gun, and come out at him? Seems like he picked a fight with a gun against an unarmed kid and lost, then pulled to shoot.

[RickyJ]

I don't think he's a troll, I just don't think he followed the case at all and has some bad 3rd hand info.

That's worse than being a troll IMO. Trying to argue for a point you have little knowledge about is not too bright.

[squarepusher]

ok ill tell you what. come to my place at night where you shouldnt be and see if i dont follow your ass until you leave or give me a damn good well mannered reason for being there. if you convince me ill go home. if not, ill stay right there until the cops come and ask you what the hell youre doing there. and if you punch me, ill try my best to whip your ass until the threat is done. am i supposed to just lay in wait until you have your way with me? come on man.,
you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun


Man--I'm not going to write the Cliff's Notes version of this entire trial. All the info is out there, go with the facts as much as possible and stay away from any obviously left/right websites.

It seems you don't know much about it--not saying that to be rude, but it's just obvious, and I haven't followed it nearly as much as many here.

Amy you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to backup your claims, but you try to come off as all knowing but you are really lacking substance.

Just like when LE made the claim "he was going back to his car" and you said it was based off GPS data (which isn't true). So which cliff notes are you reading, Fox News version?

[Natural Citizen]

you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun

Heh. This guy....:rolleyes:

[satchelmcqueen]

video in pm please. i must go to bed. lol
Zimmerman's bro is destroying slimeball Piers.

[Ranger29860]

you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun



Amy you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to backup your claims, but you try to come off as all knowing but you are really lacking substance.

Just like when LE made the claim "he was going back to his car" and you said it was based off GPS data (which isn't true). So which cliff notes are you reading, Fox News version?

Internet tough guys, gotta love them lol.

[The Northbreather]

When you bang their head into the curb.

Exactly.

The moment that you feel your life is going to end if you don't end your attackers, and you remember that you have a reliable means for doing so.

That is the time

[rockandrollsouls]

Cute, college kid thinks he knows it all. Nice little fit. No knowledge on what you're speaking about, get presented facts, threaten the messenger. :rolleyes:

We don't have to present you with any evidence. You're not a child you don't need to be spoonfed. Go read about it. Is this what they teach in school nowadays? Get your information from whoever feeds it to you...damned the honest research?


you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun



Amy you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to backup your claims, but you try to come off as all knowing but you are really lacking substance.

Just like when LE made the claim "he was going back to his car" and you said it was based off GPS data (which isn't true). So which cliff notes are you reading, Fox News version?

[LibertyEagle]

Trayvon clearly punched him at least once, but he didn't beat the hell out of him. That's hyperbole in the extreme. Zimmerman would have several broken facial bones, several cuts, and clear facial swelling had he been beaten badly. Doesn't change that Martin was on top of him and struck him at least once, however. Plus the contact with the concrete.

He broke his nose and was bashing his head against the concrete. In my world, that equates to beating the hell out of him.

[green73]

Internet tough guys, gotta love them lol.

http://i.imgur.com/wEQh6WZ.jpg

[Weston White]

Zimmerman was the one stalking him, following him with his car, then he got OUT of his car with a loaded gun. Trayvon was walking home with food. Since when is losing a fight grounds to kill someone?

You error. Ultimately, Trayvon had lost that fight. And the reasons attributed to him losing that fight are because:

1. Clearly, this was not a case of mutual combat; it was an all out battery by aggressive restraint.
2. Trayvon exceeded the reasonable physical force required to yield whatever threat he perceived from Zimmerman's actions.
3. Trayvon failed to stop his battering upon Zimmerman after Zimmerman began screaming for his life.
4. Trayvon further failed to stop his battering upon Zimmerman even after two separate neighbors had yelled out to them to "Knock it off!" and the other "What's going on? I am calling 911." (paraphrased).

[satchelmcqueen]

you didnt answer my damn scenario at all. and thats the point. IF you punched me and i carried, youd better believe id fire on your ass. do you expect a cupcake party at that time of night?
you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun



Amy you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to backup your claims, but you try to come off as all knowing but you are really lacking substance.

Just like when LE made the claim "he was going back to his car" and you said it was based off GPS data (which isn't true). So which cliff notes are you reading, Fox News version?

[amy31416]

you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun



Amy you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to backup your claims, but you try to come off as all knowing but you are really lacking substance.

Just like when LE made the claim "he was going back to his car" and you said it was based off GPS data (which isn't true). So which cliff notes are you reading, Fox News version?

No. I read many of the zillions of articles posted here, from left, right and neutral sources. You ought to try it. I'm not going to go back through a thousand post thread and pick out which things I think you've missed--you do it if you care so much.

I was just trying to nicely tell you that you're coming off as extremely uninformed. And HOLY SHIT! I got something wrong, when I prefaced it with "I believe" it may have been--when it was actually cell data. I didn't take notes for you, I didn't make efforts to catalog it for you--go read it for god's sake, there's a huge number of posts/articles about it--and I had no opinion early on.

I'm not going to produce any evidence for you. It's 12:37 in the morning and I'm exhausted--you want to know, you read up on it. But I'm still trying to nicely tell you that you sound very uninformed, even from a vague viewpoint--other people are just calling you a fucking idiot.

[green73]

Any twitter folks seeing any reports of riots? I'm supposed to go into the city tomorrow and am wondering if I should be paranoid or not.

I think the media are severely disappoint.

CNN doing its best to still foment though.

[RickyJ]

you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun



Amy you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to backup your claims, but you try to come off as all knowing but you are really lacking substance.

Just like when LE made the claim "he was going back to his car" and you said it was based off GPS data (which isn't true). So which cliff notes are you reading, Fox News version?

You have no facts, just your emotions. The facts of the case show beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was on top of him. The closest eye witnesses said this and the evidence backs it up. That same witnesses also said it was the man on the bottom yelling for help. When no help was forthcoming and Trayvon saw his gun and started reaching for it he had no choice but to act and act fast.

[RickyJ]

I think the media are severely disappoint.

CNN doing its best to still foment though.

The only thing the media is disappointed about is the lack of instant riots.

[green73]

Sunshine on CNN just compared Zimmerman getting off to Vick going to prison for "dog fighting," saying there's no culpability. She's been priceless throughout. Oh and Vick hanged dogs to death.

[amy31416]

I think the media are severely disappoint.

CNN doing its best to still foment though.

Glad to see that they're relatively powerless, at least in this, for now.

[amy31416]

Sunshine on CNN just compared Zimmerman getting off to Vick going to prison for "dog fighting," saying there's no culpability. She's been priceless throughout. Oh and Vick hanged dogs to death.

I miss all the dumbest stuff when I go to the bathroom and brush my teeth.

[juleswin]

I am so glad this is over.

[green73]

OMG I cannot believe how lopsided the coverage is on CNN.

Who am I kidding? Of course I believe it.

[satchelmcqueen]

to squarepusher......

honestly im not trying to be a dick to you. i am having the same argument with my wife. but in a GATED community at that time of night after MULTIPLE break ins, how would YOU react seeing someone in there who shouldnt be?

see ive lived in the country for the first 35yrs of my life. i never got robbed, stolen from, or anything because everyone in the country knows that everyone else is armed and that trespassing is a damn serious thing. but public roads/streets are different, but you better believe we know about anyone walking around when most people are in bed.

now ive moved and lived in the city for about 2 years. already ive had my lawn mower stolen, chainsaw stolen, gas stolen.....ive had to spend $1000 on a fence and flood lights and STILL have to worry about a break in or something. i woke up a few nights ago and had to pee. on the way back to the bedroom i see out my window 2 people walking down the road at 3:30am. now since i had been stolen from i waited to see if they would keep going and just go on up the road. NOPE! they both ran into my neighbors yard and disappeared for about 1 minute, then came back on the road and frolicked on out of sight down the road. i called 911 and reported the tresspassing. cops drove around after and im not sure if they ever saw the 2 people.

so you see, i dont know where you live, but when people break in to your neighborhood homes, you tend to start watching for anything suspicious. zimmermans neighborhood HAD been broken into. hence the need for a watchman program. as a land surveyor i can tell you very fast like, that in a gated community, unless you live there, you had better keep your ass OUT of there. public roads usually dont exist inside the gates. the center line of the road is technically the property line as real property between opposing neighbors on each side of said road. in other words treyvon technically was trespassing depending on the title deeds.

[The Northbreather]

You have no facts, just your emotions. The facts of the case show beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was on top of him. The closest eye witnesses said this and the evidence backs it up. That same witnesses also said it was the man on the bottom yelling for help. When no help was forthcoming and Trayvon saw his gun and started reaching for it he had no choice but to act and act fast.

^^this

I'm not going to say that it isn't shitty or unfortunate that Travon, the only witness to his side (or his families version) of the story is dead.

It is unfortunate and I would probably feel wronged by the circumstance and even fate if it were my kin.

The jury did produce the correct verdict with the evidence available to them which is the best you can hope for in every trial, verdicts based on evidence instead of emotion.

[Kregisen]

you would go down like a sack of bricks if I punched you, and you would probably have to pull out your gun

The only people who brag about being tough on the internet, are the people who are actually not tough enough in real life, thus having to feel better about themselves via bragging on the internet. Good job kiddo.

[puppetmaster]

Zimmerman's brother just did an interview on CNN and nailed . his brother is well spoken and smart as hell. Peirs was a babbling fool and his guest put it to him

[brushfire]

I am so glad this is over.

I'm afraid that it may have just begun. The political/media propaganda has already convicted GZ in the eyes of many. There are swarms of intellectually lazy, impressionable people who will have it out for GZ, for the rest of his life.

[jonhowe]

Any twitter folks seeing any reports of riots? I'm supposed to go into the city tomorrow and am wondering if I should be paranoid or not.

I'm in harlem across the street from a major park.

Surprisingly quiet.

[Nobexliberty]

I'm in harlem across the street from a major park.

Surprisingly quiet. Rioters are worried they become the next trayvon if they keep acting like savages.

[Natural Citizen]

Rioters are worried they become the next trayvon if they keep acting like savages.

The black community is equally aware of processes regarding the militarized police state. Is actually a golden moment here if the romper room type narrative that is tried and true doesn't trump the terms. I'm just kind of observing.

[TER]

This is the risk involved with carrying a loaded weapon. It may get used. And when there exists the possibility that the assailant may overpower you and use the gun on you, it stirs you to act more quickly and sometimes, prematurely or irrationally.

Had Zimmerman not carried a gun, would he have got out of his car and pursued Martin? I'm not sure.

If he wasn't carrying a gun, would this just remained a slight ass beating and everyone would have went home that night?

Would it have even have occurred?

These are the risks involved in a citizenry which is armed. But these are the risks that must be faced in order to have a free society.

Justice has prevailed tonight, but no one is a winner. May all those affected find peace, especially the family of Martin who have lost him all over again tonight.

[RickyJ]

Rioters are worried they become the next trayvon if they keep acting like savages.

I hope so, otherwise there will be a lot of blood shed. Unfortunately I don't think these people think much, they just react.

[juleswin]

Rioters are worried they become the next trayvon if they keep acting like savages.

How exactly can you prove this? Its a win win for you cos if black savages rioted then you can say they riot when they don't get their way and if they do not riot then they were going to riot but failed to do so because of an armed population.

[James Madison]

This is how I'm responding to all the progs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbIR51_J_qY

[daviddee]

...

[Nobexliberty]

How exactly can you prove this? Its a win win for you cos if black savages rioted then you can say they riot when they don't get their way and if they do not riot then they were going to riot but failed to do so because of an armed population. Rioters take the advantedge of the lack of proper enforcement of laws to commit crimes against innocent people while they more way likely then not get away with their crimes. They are the scum of society and are savages. There is nothing wrong with thinking rioters are unfit for a civilised society and should be treated like criminals.

[Kregisen]

For all who are curious....I just found this: Zimmerman volunteered for a lie detector test the day after the shooting, and passed.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

[daviddee]

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[Ranger29860]

Florida Stand Your Ground Law is worth reading.

If you are at a gas station and see a pack of wild youths attacking someone... You can kill them all in defense of the victim.

Property? You can blow someone away to protect your property

It takes Castle Doctrine to a much higher level. No matter where you are... it is now your castle. Your car, your perimeter, your friend's house, etc etc.

Long story short. Left wing whackos go bat shit over the Stand Your Ground laws as it truly turns the tables and turns the aggressors into the victims. Additionally, it purposely wipes out civil cases... If you blow someone away and it is a justified killing... you can't be sued by the family.

I have a lot of problems living in Florida but the gun laws here are not one of them :)

[FrankRep]

Update:

NAACP Twitter: (https://twitter.com/NAACP/status/356276720766164993)


Over 100K signed the petition to the Dept of Justice on behalf of #TrayvonMartin - add your name: http://bit.ly/14PXbDI #JusticeForTrayvon

Open a Civil Rights Case Against George Zimmerman
http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition?source=GZnotguiltyshareTWT&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=GZnotguiltyshareTWT&utm_content=share

[Ranger29860]

Update:

NAACP Twitter: (https://twitter.com/NAACP/status/356276720766164993)


Over 100K signed the petition to the Dept of Justice on behalf of #TrayvonMartin - add your name: http://bit.ly/14PXbDI #JusticeForTrayvon

Open a Civil Rights Case Against George Zimmerman
http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition?source=GZnotguiltyshareTWT&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=GZnotguiltyshareTWT&utm_content=share

How in the holy hell are they saying this is a civil rights issue? What is there reasoning here?

[The Northbreather]

How exactly can you prove this? Its a win win for you cos if black savages rioted then you can say they riot when they don't get their way and if they do not riot then they were going to riot but failed to do so because of an armed population.

He said rioters and you say black savages?

[Ender]

What evidence shows Zimmerman heading back to his car? How did he get out of his car with his loaded gun?

There is no evidence- only Zimmerman's word.

[Ranger29860]

There is no evidence- only Zimmerman's word.

And that's the whole point. There is no evidence that contradicts his claim that he was heading back. He didn't have to prove the claim, the state had to prove the opposite and failed to do so. End of story.

[The Northbreather]

I bet Zimmerman gets a P.R. team and they recommend a live interview.

[Ender]

Stalking has a legal definition. What GZ did was not considered "stalking" legally speaking.

To be convicted of stalking in most states, the stalker must display a criminal intent to cause fear in the victim. Various statutes require the conduct of the stalker to be "willful," "purposeful," "intentional," or "knowing." Many states do not require proof that the defendant intended to cause fear as long as he intended to commit the act that resulted in fear. In these states, if the victim is reasonably frightened by the alleged perpetrator's conduct, the intent element of the crime has been met.

[FrankRep]

There is no evidence- only Zimmerman's word.
George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

[Nobexliberty]

He said rioters and you say black savages? Rioters no matter what race are savages, they commit crimes because they know the chance off any legal punishment happening is extremely low. If I were in a sitution where someone could easely steal something from me without any chance of the law stepping in someone who riot would steal from me. They do not care about simple morality but only themselfs and are uncivilised savages. Many if not most of them would commit 1st degree murder or rape if they believed the chances of getting caught were very low. How he percieved it as racist I do not know.

[daviddee]

...

[Ender]

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

So? Many people can pass a lie detector test- so they are not admissible.

[James Madison]

So? Many people can pass a lie detector test- so they are not admissible.

Face it. There wasn't a case against Zimmerman; the only reason we had a trial is because Barry and the DOJ took a break from gun-running and murdering Afghanis to stir-up what was an open-and-shut case. I rest easier knowing a guilty man went free than if an innocent man was convicted.

[daviddee]

...

[RickyJ]

Face it. There wasn't a case against Zimmerman; the only reason we had a trial is because Barry and the DOJ took a break from gun-running and murdering Afghanis to stir-up what was an open-and-shut case. I rest easier knowing a guilty man went free than if an innocent man was convicted.

Like the defense attorney said, the only thing he was guilty of was defending himself. From all the known evidence that is likely what happened. No evidence contradicts the self defense claim by Zimmerman.

[TER]

The burden of proof is on the prosecution. We have these things, although most ignored, called: LAWS.

Did the prosecution prove their case? No.

Case closed.

Like in other reasons in life, we only have the word of a person as proof. Though it may appear to us inaccurate, though in practice,
it is often in fact the best proof there is. This is true not only in faith and in one's spiritual life, but in the courts as well.

What should commence now is closure and healing. This case hyped by the media and made to be more then it was (for sinister and self-serving purposes) should be understood to be what it was: a tragedy.

This excessive and dangerous racialization of the public discourse has not been accidental, but deliberate, contrived by the same who have always benefited by sowing hatred amongst those they consider to be slaves and cattle, lower then them and of less value. The obsessive greed and malice glamorized by those who wield earthly power over others. Those who have chosen Mammon over God, and darkness over light.

[Ender]

Here is what I think happened:

Zimmerman confronted him - "What the fuck are you doing"
Trayvon retorted - "Anything I want to do fucking cracker" - Everything in his tweets suggests he was not the type to cower and tuck tail
Zimmerman (probably showing weakness at this point) - "What are you doing in my neighborhood"
Trayvon face to face with Zimmerman - "Anything I want to do"
At this point, I believe Trayvon probably dropped his shit and start pummeling Zimmerman - Got him to the ground and started pounding.
Zimmerman is in a daze, but was able to get to his gun and shot Trayvon in the heart.


This is exactly how things always go down. Regardless of State, regardless of other factors, but this fight was different as Trayvon did not calculate that Zimmerman had a gun. Zimmerman, from the eyes of a thug, was an easy target.

If Zimmerman did not have a gun, it would have been another Reginald Denny situation.

Do not be bamboozled by the 13 year old Trayvon images the news played 24 x 7.

This was the Trayvon that was killed (The big kid on the far right):

http://westorlandonews.com/wp-content/themes/city-desk/timthumb.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwestorlandonews.com% 2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2Ftrayvon-martin-family-photos-1_1.jpg&q=90&w=634&zc=1

http://blogs.lawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Trayvon-225.jpg

I know who Trayvon was- I have been following this story for a year. I have been surprised and appalled by many so-called libertarians who jumped immediately to the conclusion that Trayvon was at fault because he wore a hoodie. I have stated this elsewhere.

Zimmerman's story has never jelled- and his past is more questionable than Trayvon's. He already lied once to the judge about having no money. I am surprised at how many still believed his every word- even the stuff about having his head banged on the ground 25 times. which did not happen. Once, yes.

[Ender]

Face it. There wasn't a case against Zimmerman; the only reason we had a trial is because Barry and the DOJ took a break from gun-running and murdering Afghanis to stir-up what was an open-and-shut case. I rest easier knowing a guilty man went free than if an innocent man was convicted.

I agree with your last sentence, but disagree with the first. I'm no lawyer and I could have shown a better case than the prosecution.

Just sayin'.

[satchelmcqueen]

lol not going to happen for me. fuck that!
Update:

NAACP Twitter: (https://twitter.com/NAACP/status/356276720766164993)


Over 100K signed the petition to the Dept of Justice on behalf of #TrayvonMartin - add your name: http://bit.ly/14PXbDI #JusticeForTrayvon

Open a Civil Rights Case Against George Zimmerman
http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition?source=GZnotguiltyshareTWT&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=GZnotguiltyshareTWT&utm_content=share

[James Madison]

I know who Trayvon was- I have been following this story for a year. I have been surprised and appalled by many so-called libertarians who jumped immediately to the conclusion that Trayvon was at fault because he wore a hoodie. I have stated this elsewhere.

Zimmerman's story has never jelled- and his past is more questionable than Trayvon's. He already lied once to the judge about having no money. I am surprised at how many still believed his every word- even the stuff about having his head banged on the ground 25 times. which did not happen. Once, yes.

And that is enough to convict Martin of assault.

Bottom line is Martin had the opportunity to defuse the situation and chose not to. He could have kept walking, he could have called 911, he could have asked Zimmerman why he was being followed and explained that he was visiting a family member. He chose to escalate and inflame the situation. He saw Z as an easy target.

[Nobexliberty]

And that is enough to convict Martin of assault.

Bottom line is Martin had the opportunity to defuse the situation and chose not to. He could have kept walking, he could have called 911, he could have asked Zimmerman why he was being followed and explained that he was visiting a family member. He chose to escalate and inflame the situation. He saw Z as an easy target. And Z gave Martin what happens when you attack people but people screaming racism made the situation worse.

Edit: Zimmerman just used his right to self defence.

[RickyJ]

I agree with your last sentence, but disagree with the first. I'm no lawyer and I could have shown a better case than the prosecution.

Just sayin'.

No you couldn't have because there was no evidence that contradicted what Zimmerman said happened and there was eye-witnesses and physical evidence that corroborated what he said happened. Your entire argument is nothing but one of emotion, not facts.

[Anti Federalist]

Unless you are a cop.


Please keep in mind that this is 'merica (fuck yeah). Zimmerman just won the State of Florida case.

There are two more coming:

1. Civil case by the Martin family.
2. Civil rights case by Eric Holder

In 'merica, we will keep in suing and bringing charges on every level until you are broke and locked up in a rape cage.

-Fuck yeah

[Weston White]

To be convicted of stalking in most states, the stalker must display a criminal intent to cause fear in the victim. Various statutes require the conduct of the stalker to be "willful," "purposeful," "intentional," or "knowing." Many states do not require proof that the defendant intended to cause fear as long as he intended to commit the act that resulted in fear. In these states, if the victim is reasonably frightened by the alleged perpetrator's conduct, the intent element of the crime has been met.

Stalking pertains to an ongoing form of harassment or intimidation; it is not a one time occurrence, such as following or tailing somebody—especially when one is doing so because they find the actions of the other suspect. To be stalked, a history of such relatable intent must first be established.

[Weston White]

I know who Trayvon was- I have been following this story for a year. I have been surprised and appalled by many so-called libertarians who jumped immediately to the conclusion that Trayvon was at fault because he wore a hoodie. I have stated this elsewhere.

Zimmerman's story has never jelled- and his past is more questionable than Trayvon's. He already lied once to the judge about having no money. I am surprised at how many still believed his every word- even the stuff about having his head banged on the ground 25 times. which did not happen. Once, yes.

Why do you keep misrepresenting that this was all about a hooded sweater? That is like the third time I have seen you post that guff. This has nothing at all, whatsoever, to do with neither any article of clothing nor race, none, zip, zero, nada.

Well the prosecution lied as well, so what does that say about them? They can't be trusted either, right? Really, who cares what Zimmerman alleges, when you boil away all of the embellishments and boasting, the remaining facts speak for themselves; and the sum of those facts still favor Zimmerman’s version of events.

[Slutter McGee]

the whole situation is fucked up. two men. yes ...both were men...did something stupid. both of them. One lived. The other died. What more can you say.

Slutter McGee

[Ender]

Stalking pertains to an ongoing form of harassment or intimidation; it is not a one time occurrence, such as following or tailing somebody—especially when one is doing so because they find the actions of the other suspect. To be stalked, a history of such relatable intent must first be established.

Not necessarily true.

From Wikipedia:


Stalking is unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them. The word stalking is used, with some differing meanings, in psychology and psychiatry and also in some legal jurisdictions as a term for a criminal offense.

According to a 2002 report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking"[1] although in practice the legal standard is usually somewhat stricter.

According to law:

Florida


784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

(b) “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests.

(c) “Credible threat” means a verbal or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under this section.

Ohio


A "pattern of conduct" means two or more actions or incidents closely related in time. The Ohio statute does not define "actions or incidents" or "closely related in time." The courts have very liberally interpreted the term "pattern of conduct" to protect stalking victims

Most state laws are similar.

[Slutter McGee]

Here is what I think happened:

Zimmerman confronted him - "What the fuck are you doing"
Trayvon retorted - "Anything I want to do fucking cracker" - Everything in his tweets suggests he was not the type to cower and tuck tail
Zimmerman (probably showing weakness at this point) - "What are you doing in my neighborhood"
Trayvon face to face with Zimmerman - "Anything I want to do"
At this point, I believe Trayvon probably dropped his shit and start pummeling Zimmerman - Got him to the ground and started pounding.
Zimmerman is in a daze, but was able to get to his gun and shot Trayvon in the heart.


This is exactly how things always go down. Regardless of State, regardless of other factors, but this fight was different as Trayvon did not calculate that Zimmerman had a gun. Zimmerman, from the eyes of a thug, was an easy target.

If Zimmerman did not have a gun, it would have been another Reginald Denny situation.

Do not be bamboozled by the 13 year old Trayvon images the news played 24 x 7.

This was the Trayvon that was killed (The big kid on the far right):

http://westorlandonews.com/wp-content/themes/city-desk/timthumb.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwestorlandonews.com% 2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2Ftrayvon-martin-family-photos-1_1.jpg&q=90&w=634&zc=1

http://blogs.lawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Trayvon-225.jpg

I get so sick of this shit. It doesn't matter your opinion of the kid. good. bad. whatever. The whole fucking thing is tragic. Its too bad assholes on both sides...you are most definitely included, are trying to politicize this.

Slutter McGee

[Weston White]

However, from your own sources as quoted:

“although in practice the legal standard is usually somewhat stricter.”

“a series of acts over a period of time”

“means two or more actions or incidents”

[Ender]

Why do you keep misrepresenting that this was all about a hooded sweater? That is like the third time I have seen you post that guff. This has nothing at all, whatsoever, to do with neither any article of clothing nor race, none, zip, zero, nada.

Well the prosecution lied as well, so what does that say about them? They can't be trusted either, right? Really, who cares what Zimmerman alleges, when you boil away all of the embellishments and boasting, the remaining facts speak for themselves; and the sum of those facts still favor Zimmerman’s version of events.

I am not misrepresenting anything; I am telling you my experience a year ago. On other "conservative" forums, 99.9% of the members decided Trayvon asked for what he got because of how he was dressed. because of that nonsense, I looked heavily into the case and while most hold Zimmerman up as some kind of angel, who was only protecting his neighborhood, the facts about him and the incident do not add up.

Many witnesses had their statements changed by the police; many official stories did not compute- still don't. Zimmerman's past was more questionable than Trayvon's but people either didn't care or were too busy defending stand-your-ground to look at all the inaccuracies.

So, celebrate- your man is free but to me he was highly complicate in the whole tragedy.

Still, I'd rather see a 100 guilty men go free than an innocent man be jailed.

[Ender]

However, from your own sources as quoted:

“although in practice the legal standard is usually somewhat stricter.”

“a series of acts over a period of time”

“means two or more actions or incidents”

Over a period of time- HOWEVER SHORT.

[The Northbreather]

Rioters no matter what race are savages, they commit crimes because they know the chance off any legal punishment happening is extremely low. If I were in a sitution where someone could easely steal something from me without any chance of the law stepping in someone who riot would steal from me. They do not care about simple morality but only themselfs and are uncivilised savages. Many if not most of them would commit 1st degree murder or rape if they believed the chances of getting caught were very low. How he percieved it as racist I do not know.

thats what im pointing out

[Ranger29860]

Not necessarily true.

From Wikipedia:



Not a valid source :P

[Weston White]

Over a period of time- HOWEVER SHORT.

Ergo, one contact is never enough to establish stalking or for that matter ongoing harrassment.

[Weston White]

Still, I'd rather see a 100 guilty men go free than an innocent man be jailed.

Well I am glad that you're finally coming around. ;)

I haven’t seen that issue being raised on this forum, but do not know about other forums. RPF’ is of a higher caliber though I am sure. I don’t consider Zimmerman to be my man. Personally, I think he is an utter moron. However, he should not be punished for that alone, well really though he is going to be punished either way, just now it will not involve steel bars. This case is great because it is a major embarrassment to the prying hands of the DOJ and is further advances our immutable right to self-preservation, individualism, while advertising the right to carry firearms for public awareness and consideration.

[getch36]

Why do people not realize that that they both SUCKED.Two assholes that their paths crossed and one ended up dead

[Nobexliberty]

thats what im pointing out And I know that :)

[AngryCanadian]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/999036_10151699927854411_180812517_n.jpg
Some of Martin Supporters cant even spell out George Zimmerman in this picture from outside the court. From the picture it shows there are lots of people waiting to be on the welfare though.

[juleswin]

He said rioters and you say black savages?

Read the last word in his post. He has been worried shitless about blacks rioting when Zimmerman is acquitted and then he said "savages". I can read the tea leaves, he believes blacks are the only ones who has a reason to riot and the rioters are savages.

2 + 2 = ?

[rockandrollsouls]

So I'm guessing you're unaware of the fact Zimmerman took a lie detector test immediately following the incident and passed with flying colors?


I am not misrepresenting anything; I am telling you my experience a year ago. On other "conservative" forums, 99.9% of the members decided Trayvon asked for what he got because of how he was dressed. because of that nonsense, I looked heavily into the case and while most hold Zimmerman up as some kind of angel, who was only protecting his neighborhood, the facts about him and the incident do not add up.

Many witnesses had their statements changed by the police; many official stories did not compute- still don't. Zimmerman's past was more questionable than Trayvon's but people either didn't care or were too busy defending stand-your-ground to look at all the inaccuracies.

So, celebrate- your man is free but to me he was highly complicate in the whole tragedy.

Still, I'd rather see a 100 guilty men go free than an innocent man be jailed.

[rockandrollsouls]

It's sad it happened, but an individual has the basic human right to be free of physical harm from another. It's not politicizing it; Martin could have saved his life if he was not ignorant and didnt assault another human being by smashing his head into the concrete.

It's entirely on the kid and he paid the ultimate price. That's just how it is.


I get so sick of this shit. It doesn't matter your opinion of the kid. good. bad. whatever. The whole fucking thing is tragic. Its too bad assholes on both sides...you are most definitely included, are trying to politicize this.

Slutter McGee

[rockandrollsouls]

It amazes me how people like you could so fervently support Ron Paul yet lack all basic understanding of our laws and judicial system.


So? Many people can pass a lie detector test- so they are not admissible.

[helenpaul]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/999036_10151699927854411_180812517_n.jpg
Some of Martin Supporters cant even spell out George Zimmerman in this picture from outside the court. From the picture it shows there are lots of people waiting to be on the welfare though.

some people are just ignorant dumbasses like the guy in the picture. how was the system racist? the judge was a democrat, the jury all female and females vote mostly for democrats, the judge and prosecutor charged zimmerman with an additional charge after the defense rested to try and rig a guilty verdict.

[QuickZ06]

the whole situation is fucked up. two men. yes ...both were men...did something stupid. both of them. One lived. The other died. What more can you say.

Slutter McGee


I get so sick of this shit. It doesn't matter your opinion of the kid. good. bad. whatever. The whole fucking thing is tragic. Its too bad assholes on both sides...you are most definitely included, are trying to politicize this.

Slutter McGee

I guess whole other sentence and the opportunity to yell at a member. Cool story bro.

[helenpaul]

here is one thing we all forget. all of us here and the ignorant public got to see a bunch of biased pundits talk about the case 24/7, some of whom were bigots like sharpton. the 6 jurors saw none of that. all they saw was the evidence provided and the case the defense and prosecution presented. they said not guilty. there was little or no actual evidence of a crime. finally, the EASY vote for the jury would have been guilty. they did the right thing.

[juleswin]

here is one thing we all forget. all of us here and the ignorant public got to see a bunch of biased pundits talk about the case 24/7, some of whom were bigots like sharpton. the 6 jurors saw none of that. all they saw was the evidence provided and the case the defense and prosecution presented. they said not guilty. there was little or no actual evidence of a crime. finally, the EASY vote for the jury would have been guilty. they did the right thing.

I bet you would have been singing the opposite tune if he had been found guilty. This is what I heard all week on the talk radio, people were calling in and saying there is no way George will get a fair trial. They said the judge was a life long democrat, that female jurors were more likely to democrats therefore be anti second amendment and against Zimmerman.

Now when all that did not happen, they will use the same argument and switch the conclusion. I think what bothers most people about this was George Z coming out of his car when it seems like he didn,t have to. But considering what has been going on in the neighbourhood with black criminal, I think he had a good reason to investigate further and not just sit in his truck

[osan]

Apparently the New Black Panthers threatened to burn down white suburbia if there was an acquittal.

Let them. I dare them to try. It will not go well for them, which might benefit us in terms of population control if enough get into the fray.

That last bit was a joke... I think. :)

[osan]

I think what bothers most people about this was George Z coming out of his car when it seems like he didn,t have to.

Well, yes. That make Zimmerman a dope, but being a dope is not a crime, at least not last I checked but the day's still young.


But considering what has been going on in the neighbourhood with black criminal, I think he had a good reason to investigate further and not just sit in his truck

I was opining this point with a friend over BLTs last night. The good-for-nothing cops cannot/will not do anything to help, so what does one do, surrender to the brutes? At some point one must push back or capitulate. It's a shitty choice, but one much make it. I shot a deer the other night because it's been eating all my newly planted fruit trees and it's been vicious. I feel badly for it, but what was I to do? I want more fruit and I cannot have it if the deer are killing the trees. It is a simple, if lousy, choice.

[osan]

Well, I'll definitely be carrying with one in the pipe for a while.

In FL, eh? You have my sympathies. Governmentally speaking, FL is one of the most retarded states in the union. Seriously.

I would not carry without one in the snoot. The second and a half it takes to rack your slide is all a determined opponent may need to finish you.

I strongly recommend everyone who carries carry now because you never know what my happen in the wake.

[osan]

Brave women.

Agreed. I wonder how many of them will now have to move out of state in order to be safe from the animals who stand to throw a tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted.

What a world.

[osan]

Please keep in mind that this is 'merica (fuck yeah). Zimmerman just won the State of Florida case.

There are two more coming:

1. Civil case by the Martin family.
2. Civil rights case by Eric Holder

In 'merica, we will keep in suing and bringing charges on every level until you are broke and locked up in a rape cage.

-Fuck yeah

If Zimmerman has any brains, and at this point it looks doubtful, he should now be very aggressively divesting himself of all possessions of significant value, like a house. All in the wife's name. Wanna sue? Go right ahead. I'd move to Brazil... or Pluto.

As for Holder - how does he expect to win on such charges?

[belian78]

So what I learned about RPF throughout this case is that, If I have a badge on my chest and decide to follow someone just because I don't like the way they look, that's outrageous and unconstitutional and I should be fired. Take that badge off, and I can follow someone and harass them just because I don't like the way they look. Not only that, but I can even kill that person if I start to lose the fight that I allowed to happen and just claim self defense.

Not only that, but I've also learned that if the person I'm following around is black, I really don't have to try that hard to justify my actions. They're all ignorant beasts right?

[osan]

Any twitter folks seeing any reports of riots? I'm supposed to go into the city tomorrow and am wondering if I should be paranoid or not.

If you have a gun and can carry, I would strongly recommend you do so if you cannot avoid going to areas with significant black populations. It's sad that one needs to think this way, but let us not let the overbearing political correctness blind us to reality because in this case it could get you killed or worse. I triple this warning for women because there are those who would rape you because they are going to teach a white bitch a lesson. We're atop a powder keg and nobody knows whether someone is going to light one of the millions of fuzes. These situations can be so touchy - things are so sensitive that the least event may become catalyst for catastrophe. I think this nation has been teetering on the edge of a race war for years. It may be idiotic, but that does not make it any less real. And because of all the PC bullshit, people are all bottled up and that is never a good thing. But let's not yet panic, but exercise some real caution now. If we start getting reports of blacks attacking whites in places I will not be very surprised. We all know what the real score is, all words to the contrary notwithstanding.

[osan]

So what I learned about RPF throughout this case is that, If I have a badge on my chest and decide to follow someone just because I don't like the way they look, that's outrageous and unconstitutional and I should be fired. Take that badge off, and I can follow someone and harass them just because I don't like the way they look. Not only that, but I can even kill that person if I start to lose the fight that I allowed to happen and just claim self defense.

Not only that, but I've also learned that if the person I'm following around is black, I really don't have to try that hard to justify my actions. They're all ignorant beasts right?

Have you been sniffing glue? Please elaborate on the precise means by which you came to learn this from RPF. Let's hear it.

[kahless]

I see not much has changed here, it is still the same forum members relentless doing the police states bidding. Thanks to people like them simply following and observing suspicious individuals in our communities, self defense, neighborhood watch and private security will become a taboo of the past.

[Root]

So what I learned about RPF throughout this case is that, If I have a badge on my chest and decide to follow someone just because I don't like the way they look, that's outrageous and unconstitutional and I should be fired. Take that badge off, and I can follow someone and harass them just because I don't like the way they look. Not only that, but I can even kill that person if I start to lose the fight that I allowed to happen and just claim self defense.

Not only that, but I've also learned that if the person I'm following around is black, I really don't have to try that hard to justify my actions. They're all ignorant beasts right? One is an agent of the state. The other is an individual.

[belian78]

Have you been sniffing glue? Please elaborate on the precise means by which you came to learn this from RPF. Let's hear it.
These are the sentiments of the forums here over this case. It's a simple observation. Any anyone here that even tries to even hint that had Zimmerman not followed Martin around they'd both still be alive, is attacked and smeared and made fun of. I thought at first it was just some new or sleeper trolls that were just trying to push a narrative about the forums, but when longstanding members get in on the act it really has the effect of opening your eyes about what this place has degenerated into.

Yes, bring on the neg rep, I know it's comin. I'm not worried about it, it's not like you're following me home or anything.

[osan]

how is it self defense, if he stalked this kid in his car, with a gun, and come out at him?

Oh, so now Zimmy stalked Martin? Are you stoned? It happened in a GATED COMMUNITY, which is PRIVATE PROPERTY and little Tray-Von didn't live there as I recall. Given this and the fact that the neighborhood was experiencing lots of burglaries, seeing someone that seemed out of place prompted Dopey to follow Martin, who copped an attitude and attacked. I do not recall anything about him waving his gun around. Did I miss something?


Seems like he picked a fight with a gun against an unarmed kid and lost, then pulled to shoot.

Lay off the dope, it is clearly affecting your mind for the worse. First bold text implies gun was out, otherwise presence of the weapon is irrelevant. Second bolded implies gun was NOT out. Which shall it be? Call me crazy but I don't think the gun can be out and not out at the same time... or are you suggesting he had two guns, decided he didn't like the one that was out for the shootin' but only the threatenin' and pulled the other to commit his race-hatred murderin'?

Get fucking real.

[69360]

I bet Zimmerman gets a P.R. team and they recommend a live interview.


IF he is smart he will never talk to the press.

[torchbearer]

They are Liberals, they have no concept of private property or theft.

that is what i've been saying-
and the ideas of liberty cannot exist at the same time their ideas are being implemented, for this reason alone.
they don't respect property rights.
the two ideas can't co-exist. at least, not on their terms.

[dannno]

These are the sentiments of the forums here over this case. It's a simple observation. Any anyone here that even tries to even hint that had Zimmerman not followed Martin around they'd both still be alive, is attacked and smeared and made fun of. I thought at first it was just some new or sleeper trolls that were just trying to push a narrative about the forums, but when longstanding members get in on the act it really has the effect of opening your eyes about what this place has degenerated into.

Yes, bring on the neg rep, I know it's comin. I'm not worried about it, it's not like you're following me home or anything.

There is nothing wrong or illegal or immoral about following a suspicious person on public property, in fact Zimmerman did not even know for a fact that Trayvon was black so this racist angle is total bullshit. The media even snipped out that piece about Zimmerman not knowing he was black, the media is purposely anti-Zimmerman which is why I am pro-Zimmerman. The media is almost always wrong, I wouldn't take their side if I were you. Zimmerman had just as much right to be 'there' as Trayvon, this is public property once again. Trayvon came up to Zimmerman and asked him if he had a problem, Zimmerman said no. Trayvon then said, "well you do now!" and socked him, then took him to the ground and beat him in the head. Unless you have any evidence this isn't what happened, then you are wrong.

Watch this if you have any questions.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421122-VIDEO-The-Truth-About-George-Zimmerman-and-Trayvon-Martin-(Stefan-Molyneux)

[Bastiat's The Law]

Why do the people that side with TM always resort to ridiculous statements?

He got out of his car and he was armed. And????? That's not a crime to be armed!! Its not a crime to follow someone in a public street! And its NOT a crime to follow someone while armed in a public street.

Tell that to this guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBHqlfjPyu0

[Ender]

These are the sentiments of the forums here over this case. It's a simple observation. Any anyone here that even tries to even hint that had Zimmerman not followed Martin around they'd both still be alive, is attacked and smeared and made fun of. I thought at first it was just some new or sleeper trolls that were just trying to push a narrative about the forums, but when longstanding members get in on the act it really has the effect of opening your eyes about what this place has degenerated into.

Yes, bring on the neg rep, I know it's comin. I'm not worried about it, it's not like you're following me home or anything.

Yep- there is little room for dialog on this issue. According to the majority, Trayvon had no rights but Zimmerman did. And everything that Zimmerman has said is gospel.

[kahless]

Yep- there is little room for dialog on this issue. According to the majority, Trayvon had no rights but Zimmerman did. And everything that Zimmerman has said is gospel.

Continuing to spread lies about the forum members here to justify your statist propaganda. Tell your supervisor you need new material.

[AuH20]

90 percent of black crime is perpetuated upon black citizens, yet we haven't heard a peep about this stunning trend. Instead it's manifested into a concerted attack on 2nd amendment advocates.

[Ender]

Continuing to spread lies about the forum members here to justify your statist propaganda. Tell your supervisor you need new material.

All I have to do post all your answers, kahless, and my point will be proved.

And my "supervisor" is Yeshua- you can talk to Him anytime you like. :)

[Ender]

90 percent of black crime is perpetuated upon black citizens, yet we haven't heard a peep about this stunning trend. Instead it's manifested into a concerted attack on 2nd amendment advocates.

WoD

[Anti Federalist]

90 percent of black crime is perpetuated upon black citizens, yet we haven't heard a peep about this stunning trend.

Or how much violent crime committed against whites, is committed by blacks.

Oh boy...now you've gone and done it...

[Anti Federalist]

WoD

Big part of the problem right there.

[AuH20]

Or how much violent crime committed against whites, is committed by blacks.

Oh boy...now you've gone and done it...

Black-on-black crime is an epidemic but kept hush-hush. Yet somewhere we're supposed to believe that that community watch organizations around America are swallowing innocent blacks whole. It's bullshit and shrewd political misdirection.

[Kregisen]

Over a period of time- HOWEVER SHORT.

What you yourself quoted to us CLEARLY says a "series of acts". You are insane if you think any judge would label following someone for a few minutes in your neighborhood a "series of acts". This is also obviously why the state isn't prosecuting Zimmerman on this charge.....

I mean seriously....think.

[Anti Federalist]

Black-on-black crime is an epidemic but kept hush-hush. Yet somewhere we're supposed to believe that that community watch organizations around America are swallowing innocent blacks whole. It's bullshit and shrewd political misdirection.

Of course it is, comrade, but some things are just not talked about...

[juleswin]

Or how much violent crime committed against whites, is committed by blacks.

Oh boy...now you've gone and done it...

And those people are arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law as they should be. I bet you a million buck that no black person killing a white person is let go by the justice system. The ones that are caught are hit with everything plus the kitchen sink and they pay dearly for their crimes.

So why even bring it up? The same goes for black on black crimes, no black person is getting away scott free if the system gets in contact with them. Now I would agree that bit of information is relevant to this case if black on black attackers are given a pass by the justice system.

[Ender]

What you yourself quoted to us CLEARLY says a "series of acts". You are insane if you think any judge would label following someone for a few minutes in your neighborhood a "series of acts". This is also obviously why the state isn't prosecuting Zimmerman on this charge.....

I mean seriously....think.

Your turn to think.

The law is stated in such a way to protect people- especially women- from being stalked. Some stalking is a series of events over days or weeks- some stalking can take place in one evening. This means the "stalker" can follow someone and if they fear for their lives, it can be considered stalking.

[AuH20]

And those people are arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law as they should be. I bet you a million buck that no black person killing a white person is let go by the justice system. The ones that are caught are hit with everything plus the kitchen sink and they pay dearly for their crimes.

So why even bring it up? The same goes for black on black crimes, no black person is getting away scott free if the system gets in contact with them. Now I would agree that bit of information is relevant to this case if black on black attackers are given a pass by the justice system.

I think the greater question is? Why are blacks, especially those in urban areas, proportionally more predisposed to committing a criminal act than the general pop? And there are a myriad of factors. Single parent households. Generational Poverty. Lack of pride which ties into the bigotry of low expectations promoted by the government. Drugs being pumped into these urban areas by federales. Many of these cities are a breeding ground for criminals.

[Bastiat's The Law]

90 percent of black crime is perpetuated upon black citizens, yet we haven't heard a peep about this stunning trend. Instead it's manifested into a concerted attack on 2nd amendment advocates.

That way you don't get uppity when they shove their marxism down your throat.

[Sergeant Brother]

And those people are arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law as they should be. I bet you a million buck that no black person killing a white person is let go by the justice system. The ones that are caught are hit with everything plus the kitchen sink and they pay dearly for their crimes.

So why even bring it up? The same goes for black on black crimes, no black person is getting away scott free if the system gets in contact with them. Now I would agree that bit of information is relevant to this case if black on black attackers are given a pass by the justice system.

http://eurweb.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/OJ-Simpson-Acquittal-Suit-2.jpg

Would you like to send the $1,000,000 to my PayPal account or as a check?

[AuH20]

That way you don't get uppity when they shove their marxism down your throat.

Well, homey don't play that.

[HigherVision]

And those people are arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law as they should be. I bet you a million buck that no black person killing a white person is let go by the justice system. The ones that are caught are hit with everything plus the kitchen sink and they pay dearly for their crimes.

Not so much these days, at least not in Seattle where they have something called the "Race and Social Justice Initiative". It's basically a system where blacks and minorities are either given light sentences or not prosecuted for crimes in order to even out racial discrepancies in the crime rates.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqQsWracyfk

[AuH20]

That way you don't get uppity when they shove their marxism down your throat.

Also, how are they killing each other in predominantly anti-gun zones? I can't get my head around it.

[Bastiat's The Law]

I think the greater question is? Why are blacks, especially those in urban areas, proportionally more predisposed to committing a criminal act than the general pop? And there are a myriad of factors. Single parent households. Generational Poverty. Lack of pride which ties into the bigotry of low expectations promoted by the government. Drugs being pumped into these urban areas by federales. Many of these cities are a breeding ground for criminals.

I think the most significant factor was the breakdown of the family and the government taking over that role. Charles Murray writes extensively on this issue, check out his work. Adam Carrolla also hit on it when he took on Gavin Newsom and the Huffington Post.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NL6FMz3DHI

[Anti Federalist]

And those people are arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law as they should be. I bet you a million buck that no black person killing a white person is let go by the justice system. The ones that are caught are hit with everything plus the kitchen sink and they pay dearly for their crimes.

So why even bring it up? The same goes for black on black crimes, no black person is getting away scott free if the system gets in contact with them. Now I would agree that bit of information is relevant to this case if black on black attackers are given a pass by the justice system.

I'd suggest you go and look at rate of solved homicide cases in any major city.


National clearance rates for murder and manslaughter have fallen from about 90 percent in the 1960s to below 65 percent in recent years

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

There is something sinister going on behind the scenes here...

We are all presented, daily, with stories of heavily armed raiders, storming into the hovel of some "bad guy" to drag them off to "justice".

We assume that there is, in fact a vigorous, if over zealous police force, working around the clock, to "throw the book" at violent offenders.

But that's just not the case.

Thousands of violent crimes go unsolved every year.

Thousands more of innocent people go to jail as well. Most of them are black. Which, of course, adds to the compounding problem of crime in the black community.

The only people I see "getting the book thrown at them" are non violent drug offenders.

Oh, and of course, the politicals.

[kahless]

All I have to do post all your answers, kahless, and my point will be proved.

You will find my posts promote individual liberty over the statism you are promoting. I have been staying out of this debate and only spoke out because of you and several other posters spamming these threads with statist propaganda.

Here is a good example:

- Your disparaging the concept of a private individual observing his community for crime prevention purposes in favor of official law enforcement.

- Complaining that Zimmerman was not a member of an official "national neighborhood watch".

- Promoting violation of the non-aggression principle. Posts believing that if the above occurs that the person being followed has a right to attack the follower or observer.

- Stating that there is no risk of death or injury if a stranger is on top of your beating you MMA style. Promoting in this instance that individuals do not have right of self defense and must allow themselves to be beaten waiting for official law enforcement.

- Repeated posts complaining that Zimmerman did not follow the advice of a government dispatcher at a non-emergency number.

[dannno]

You will find my posts promote individual liberty over the statism you are promoting. I have been staying out of this debate and only spoke out because of you and several other posters spamming these threads with statist propaganda.

Here is a good example:

- Your disparaging the concept of a private individual observing his community for crime prevention purposes in favor of official law enforcement.

- Complaining that Zimmerman was not a member of an official "national neighborhood watch".

- Promoting violation of the non-aggression principle. Posts believing that if the above occurs that the person being followed has a right to attack the follower or observer.

- Stating that there is no risk of death or injury if a stranger is on top of your beating you MMA style. Promoting in this instance that individuals do not have right of self defense and must allow themselves to be beaten waiting for official law enforcement.

- Repeated posts complaining that Zimmerman did not follow the advice of a government dispatcher at a non-emergency number.

+rep

[juleswin]

http://eurweb.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/OJ-Simpson-Acquittal-Suit-2.jpg
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=5124613
Would you like to send the $1,000,000 to my PayPal account or as a check?

Good one, you got me on that and as a man of my words, I will have to pay up. But OJ Simpson's case is what we in the business call an exception to the rule. Its like seeing a legless lizard or a flightless bird or a hairless mammal etc etc, they are not supposed to happen but yet we see them in nature.

But technically, I did not say I will pay you in dollars so why not give me your address so I can send you 1 million monopoly bucks :)

[Anti Federalist]

I think the greater question is? Why are blacks, especially those in urban areas, proportionally more predisposed to committing a criminal act than the general pop? And there are a myriad of factors. Single parent households. Generational Poverty. Lack of pride which ties into the bigotry of low expectations promoted by the government. Drugs being pumped into these urban areas by federales. Many of these cities are a breeding ground for criminals.

A source, over 10 years old now, but these numbers remain fairly predictable.

Felony Sentences in State Courts, 2000

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/Fssc00.txt

* Drug offenders were 34.6% of felons convicted in State courts
in 2000. Property offenders made up 28.3%; violent offenders,
18.7%; and those convicted of weapon offenses and other
nonviolent crimes made up the rest (18.4%).

[Kregisen]

You will find my posts promote individual liberty over the statism you are promoting. I have been staying out of this debate and only spoke out because of you and several other posters spamming these threads with statist propaganda.

Here is a good example:

- Your disparaging the concept of a private individual observing his community for crime prevention purposes in favor of official law enforcement.

- Complaining that Zimmerman was not a member of an official "national neighborhood watch".

- Promoting violation of the non-aggression principle. Posts believing that if the above occurs that the person being followed has a right to attack the follower or observer.

- Stating that there is no risk of death or injury if a stranger is on top of your beating you MMA style. Promoting in this instance that individuals do not have right of self defense and must allow themselves to be beaten waiting for official law enforcement.

- Repeated posts complaining that Zimmerman did not follow the advice of a government dispatcher at a non-emergency number.



BOOM.

It was very hard to tell at first, but it's pretty obvious that Ender is trolling people here to waste our time for no reason at all. Obviously he knows the evidence points to Martin being the aggressor and Zimmerman fearing for his life. And obviously he knows that the only way Zimmerman can be found guilty in a court of law is if there is evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt", which does not come close to existing.

This is why this issue needs to be done with. Not worth wasting time over, no matter how many times Ender posts the same shit.

[Bastiat's The Law]

Also, how are they killing each other in predominantly anti-gun zones? I can't get my head around it.

Have you ever watched The Wire?

[juleswin]

I'd suggest you go and look at rate of solved homicide cases in any major city.



http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

There is something sinister going on behind the scenes here...

We are all presented, daily, with stories of heavily armed raiders, storming into the hovel of some "bad guy" to drag them off to "justice".

We assume that there is, in fact a vigorous, if over zealous police force, working around the clock, to "throw the book" at violent offenders.

But that's just not the case.

Thousands of violent crimes go unsolved every year.

Thousands more of innocent people go to jail as well. Most of them are black. Which, of course, adds to the compounding problem of crime in the black community.

The only people I see "getting the book thrown at them" are non violent drug offenders.

Oh, and of course, the politicals.

I cannot argue with that. What I had a problem with is this idea that there are black people who are caught after killing other black people and are let go by the justice system. Maybe they slacking off on their unsolved crime case files but when they have a situation like the one with Zimmerman, they go for this kill.

Just look at what they did to the lady who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to scare off what she thought was an aggressive ex, she was convicted of I think child endangerment and is serving 20 yrs behind bars. Nobody was injured but the prosecutors did not let her off and yes she was black, husband was black and the children being endangered were black.

[Contumacious]

All I have to do post all your answers, kahless, and my point will be proved.

And my "supervisor" is Yeshua- you can talk to Him anytime you like. :)

Do you REALLY believe in Yeshua ben Yosef? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If you do, then you know that he has the following qualities: omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent .

Since , from your standpoint, Zimmerman is his creation, and if he truly misbehaved , then he will face Yeshua ben Yosef on final judgment day.

So, why are you so uptight?

.

[UWDude]

Brave women.


White women.

As I predicted in the prediction thread. An all white (1 hispanic) female jury = not guilty.

[UWDude]

You error. Ultimately, Trayvon had lost that fight. And the reasons attributed to him losing that fight are because:

1. Clearly, this was not a case of mutual combat; it was an all out battery by aggressive restraint.
2. Trayvon exceeded the reasonable physical force required to yield whatever threat he perceived from Zimmerman's actions.


Obviously he didn't. Trayvon should have started knee-jumping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeu3ebclrNE) on Zimmerman's head. Had he done so, he would have got to tell his side of the story, and Zimmerman would have had his past used against him in a court of law with no recourse or the ability to tell his side of the story, because he would be dead.

Trayvon's biggest mistake was letting Zimmerman live.

[Fredom101]

I know who Trayvon was- I have been following this story for a year. I have been surprised and appalled by many so-called libertarians who jumped immediately to the conclusion that Trayvon was at fault because he wore a hoodie. I have stated this elsewhere.

Zimmerman's story has never jelled- and his past is more questionable than Trayvon's. He already lied once to the judge about having no money. I am surprised at how many still believed his every word- even the stuff about having his head banged on the ground 25 times. which did not happen. Once, yes.

This is the best video I have seen as a response here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc

[UWDude]

So, celebrate- your man is free but to me he was highly complicate in the whole tragedy.


Let's be honest. A lot of posters here don't see this as a tragedy. They love that Treyvon martin is dead, and are even happier Zimmerman is free, not even manslaughter charges.n They are the posters talking about Trayvon making purple drank, or smoking weed, which pictures of him were used by the media, or getting in fights at high school (fights with rounds, BTW, he was practicing mma), as if any of it is relevant.

I mean somebody posted a cool and the gang "celebration" video. It's bullshit, but it shows the mindset.

They watch Stephan Molyneaux's video (and I am sick of him and his statistic twisting BS he always pulls, and then says "this is just the facts", no, it is facts and statistics skewed to his perspective.) and think they now have it all figured out. I've seen a couple of his videos now, and they are not impressive. Sometimes his statistics get so outrageous that you have to question his connection to reality. And Molyneaux starts out his video by character assassinating Martin, with a weak disclaimer that it is not especially relevant.... but he spends 20 minutes doing it anyway.

Whatever... I'l post a "celebration" youtube on these forums when Molyneaux dies of cancer. :/

Stay classy, RPF.

[Philhelm]

Let's be honest. A lot of posters here don't see this as a tragedy. They love that Treyvon martin is dead, and are even happier Zimmerman is free, not even manslaughter charges.n They are the posters talking about Trayvon making purple drank, or smoking weed, which pictures of him were used by the media, or getting in fights at high school (fights with rounds, BTW, he was practicing mma), as if it is relevant.

They watch Stephan Molyneaux's video (and I am sick of him and his statistic twisting BS he always pulls, and then says "this is just the facts", no, it is fats and statistics skewed to his perspective.) and think they now have it all figured out.

Whatever.

I am glad that Zimmerman was found not guilty. The only question that is relevant is who had initiated physical violence. The evidence points toward Martin, but either way, it can not be proved beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman's act was not in self defense.

[Natural Citizen]

I think the greater question is? Why are blacks, especially those in urban areas, proportionally more predisposed to committing a criminal act than the general pop? And there are a myriad of factors. Single parent households. Generational Poverty. Lack of pride which ties into the bigotry of low expectations promoted by the government. Drugs being pumped into these urban areas by federales. Many of these cities are a breeding ground for criminals.

Yep. But there's more to it even. What we'll continue to see now are prominant blacks stepping in and further compounding this. Blacks aren't any different than the rest of general society in the fact that they are a shrinking middle class with the rest of the list that goes with it. Cloward/Piven Strategy 101.The old Hegelian dialect. Most perceptive post in the whole thread, Au.

[Natural Citizen]

I think the most significant factor was the breakdown of the family and the government taking over that role.


Another good observation.

[juleswin]

Let's be honest. A lot of posters here don't see this as a tragedy. They love that Treyvon martin is dead, and are even happier Zimmerman is free, not even manslaughter charges.n They are the posters talking about Trayvon making purple drank, or smoking weed, which pictures of him were used by the media, or getting in fights at high school (fights with rounds, BTW, he was practicing mma), as if any of it is relevant.

I mean somebody posted a cool and the gang "celebration" video. It's bullshit, but it shows the mindset.

They watch Stephan Molyneaux's video (and I am sick of him and his statistic twisting BS he always pulls, and then says "this is just the facts", no, it is facts and statistics skewed to his perspective.) and think they now have it all figured out. I've seen a couple of his videos now, and they are not impressive. Sometimes his statistics get so outrageous that you have to question his connection to reality. And Molyneaux starts out his video by character assassinating Martin, with a weak disclaimer that it is not especially relevant.... but he spends 20 minutes doing it anyway.

Whatever

.

Agreed and also this idea from Stephan that race had nothing to do with the case is just as stupid as those who think race was the main reason behind the shooting. The truth is that in spite of George having volunteered as mentor for blacks or having had black friends, he did racially profile Trayvon that fatal night. The neighbourhood have had a rash of break-in by black people and yet race played no role when he saw a strange black boy walking down the street? sorry but I cannot believe that and how Stephan believe it is mindboggling.

[Brian4Liberty]

The state never had a case. He was only charged because of all the racial bs.


Yep. And everyone in the system knew it. A huge waste of money and time.


Face it. There wasn't a case against Zimmerman; the only reason we had a trial is because Barry and the DOJ took a break from gun-running and murdering Afghanis to stir-up what was an open-and-shut case. I rest easier knowing a guilty man went free than if an innocent man was convicted.

And with the Snowden whistle-blowing and IRS scandals, this case turned out to be perfect as a great distraction. Worthy of non-stop coverage on CNN.


White women.

As I predicted in the prediction thread. An all white (1 hispanic) female jury = not guilty.

Jury selection is sometimes the whole trial. Everything after that is just a show. Same with the OJ case. In both cases, the defense won with the jury selection. Perhaps defense lawyers are more savvy.

[James Madison]

Agreed and also this idea from Stephan that race had nothing to do with the case is just as stupid as those who think race was the main reason behind the shooting. The truth is that in spite of George having volunteered as mentor for blacks or having had black friends, he did racially profile Trayvon that fatal night. The neighbourhood have had a rash of break-in by black people and yet race played no role when he saw a strange black boy walking down the street? sorry but I cannot believe that and how Stephan believe it is mindboggling.

It's the middle of the night. I doubt he ever got a look at Trayvon's face.

[juleswin]

It's the middle of the night. I doubt he ever got a look at Trayvon's face.

He was wearing shorts on that day and walking in an American street with street lights. In that light, it is enough to see what race Trayvon was and even if it was a poorly lit street, the moonlight and his truck headlights is enough light to tell. I have profiled other black people(not solely on their race) and I am a black person, so this denial that one cannot profile x because they have x friends is bunk and he should have known that.

[KrokHead]

stay out of the cities for a few.

It has been safe in NYC in areas very angry about this. Kinda crazy that Zimmerman was 'exonerated', though he deserved at least a manslaughter.

[Carlybee]

I cannot argue with that. What I had a problem with is this idea that there are black people who are caught after killing other black people and are let go by the justice system. Maybe they slacking off on their unsolved crime case files but when they have a situation like the one with Zimmerman, they go for this kill.

Just look at what they did to the lady who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to scare off what she thought was an aggressive ex, she was convicted of I think child endangerment and is serving 20 yrs behind bars. Nobody was injured but the prosecutors did not let her off and yes she was black, husband was black and the children being endangered were black.


Probably the difference between having a good lawyer or not I am guessing. Most people who cant afford one end up getting the shaft and probably regardless of race. A good lawyer can make a difference in jury selection. If she only had a trial judge instead of a jury that sounds like a roll of the dice.

[AuH20]

It has been safe in NYC in areas very angry about this. Kinda crazy that Zimmerman was 'exonerated', though he deserved at least a manslaughter.

But not a 15 year manslaughter charge, which was the particular Florida statute being discussed.

[FrankRep]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/c09fecc88d711e905111b32447ec4faa_M.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15981-zimmerman-not-guilty-unrest-and-calls-for-federal-charges-begin)

Zimmerman Not Guilty; Unrest and Calls for Federal Charges Begin (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15981-zimmerman-not-guilty-unrest-and-calls-for-federal-charges-begin)


The verdict in the Zimmerman case was hardly a surprise to those closely following the case. But despite the evidence supporting the jury's decision, unrest and calls for federal charges have already begun.

[osan]

These are the sentiments of the forums here over this case. It's a simple observation. Any anyone here that even tries to even hint that had Zimmerman not followed Martin around they'd both still be alive, is attacked and smeared and made fun of. I thought at first it was just some new or sleeper trolls that were just trying to push a narrative about the forums, but when longstanding members get in on the act it really has the effect of opening your eyes about what this place has degenerated into.

Funny, but I've implied precisely this in stating that Zimmerman may have been better served minding his own business, yet I have not been attacked save by one schlub who just -repped me for my sarcasm regarding population control. OH, I'm so butt hurt... right.

But let us look at the other side of your point: we will never know what was in the mind of Martin, though given his history and the fact that he was on private property (it was a GATED community and he was not a resident, therefore he can be said to have been trespassing as easily as argued otherwise) and there existed at the time a circumstance of frequent burglaries. What should the people of that community do, throw up their hands, open their doors and put up neon signs saying "please rob us"? But that isn't the real point, which is what if Martin had been intending on robbing a household? Should he be given carte blanche? These sorts of activities turn violent in a heartbeat - crook gets all scared, homeowner happens to be at home in bed rather than away as thought... now there is a witness and what shall I do... panic, and the next thing you know someone is murdered.

I do believe Zimmy is not the brightest bulb on the tree but he may well have had reasonable justification for having observed Martin, given the circumstances in the neighborhood at that time. What if by stopping him he saved someone else's life? We will never know, but one must at least acknowledge that this is a very real possibility. And what about that 4 minute gap where Zimmerman lost track of Martin - time enough for Martin to get home, yet he did not go there. What would YOU make of it? You cannot really say because you are not in the situation, but you should at least be honest with yourself if with nobody else and acknowledge that you might not be willing to allow your neighbors to be made victims of a predator.

Onus rests with us all to not act in ways that may reasonably arouse the suspicions of others. This can lead to a very broad gray area, but people are people and that should be taken into consideration when choosing to act. If you come snooping around my house at midnight, do not be surprised if you end up on the wrong end of my 12 ga., or worse. I really do not give a damn what your intentions are - I have no way of knowing whether you are an enemy or just some dufus without the sense of a boiled turnip. It is not my responsibility to know; it is, however, mine to defend myself, my family, and my property and I am well within my rights to defend the rights of my fellows should the need arise. I am sorry, but had I found Martin walking around my yard late at night he may have ended up the same way. I am in no way obliged to bear the risks of his stupid or criminal behavior. Were I poking around YOUR place like that, I would have to concede that I most likely would deserve any unpleasantness that would befall me. I am sorry Martin is dead, but let us not fool ourselves; his choices of behavior pretty well steered him to that fate. He was no babe in the woods.


Yes, bring on the neg rep, I know it's comin. I'm not worried about it, it's not like you're following me home or anything.

I will speak for nobody else, but really this is silly... as if "rep" is going to alter the quality of your life. Get a grip, man. :)

But your original diatribe on this was really silly - like some butt hurt liberal or something going on about the agony in which they find themselves in the wake of the evil that men do. No evil here, pal. The dufus Zimmerman defended his life against an opponent that had what... something like 100 pounds on him. I've been in the martial arts since I was 13 and in 42 years I learned one thing: there is no such thing as an innocuous fight. If a guy 100# heavier than me goes to take a swing at me, his ass is getting shot and that is the end of it and such a response is perfectly just. The fact that most people do not understand the first thing about the basic nature of all combat, it does not follow that there are situations where when one is attacked physically they are unjustified in using unequivocal force that may ultimately prove deadly. And here I speak of a real attack and not a two year old throwing a tantrum against my pant leg. ALL violence, no matter how innocuous it may seem on the surface, has the potential to devolve into death or grotesque injury. That is the most fundamental nature of physical violence and the mental intent that initiates it. It is always potentially deadly and that is PRECISELY the reason one is behooved to keep his mitts to himself. A punch in the nose is never "mere" or "only". It always carries with it the potential for death and maiming by one avenue or another. People generally are not aware of this or otherwise refuse to acknowledge it. This fact alone justifies the shooting in question. People need to learn to keep their hands to themselves.

[osan]

Tell that to this guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBHqlfjPyu0

I'm chuckling... the guy's so eager to show the world what a modern guy he is despite the notable absence of teeth and intelligence that he's ready to burst an artery for Tray-Von. Well, what's stopping you pops? Burst away, we could use the extra space. Liberals...

[osan]

Yep- there is little room for dialog on this issue. According to the majority, Trayvon had no rights but Zimmerman did. And everything that Zimmerman has said is gospel.

Please elaborate on this - how did he not have rights? Who has claimed this? Are you saying Martin was justified in attacking Zimmerman? We have no witnesses other than Zimmerman. The POLICE even refused to recommend charges be brought. They almost ALWAYS want to do that. Hello? They regarded Zimmerman's statements as truthful, what in hell more do you want? Given the truth of his account, how is it you feel that Martin's rights were violated? Are you meaning to imply he was not violating Zimmermans? Are you implying that Zimmerman held no right to defend himself? You're not at all clear on your meaning, but simply going off on some emotional diatribe like some butthurt child. Stop. Take a breath. Get a grip on yourself and collect your thoughts. Then try to restate what you mean in a calm and collected, rational manner because what you wrote above skirts the ragged fringe of coherency.

[Ender]

BOOM.

It was very hard to tell at first, but it's pretty obvious that Ender is trolling people here to waste our time for no reason at all. Obviously he knows the evidence points to Martin being the aggressor and Zimmerman fearing for his life. And obviously he knows that the only way Zimmerman can be found guilty in a court of law is if there is evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt", which does not come close to existing.

This is why this issue needs to be done with. Not worth wasting time over, no matter how many times Ender posts the same shit.

Ahhhh....but you and kahless NEVER post the same shit. Right.

Hope you're never in a situation where everyone thinks you're guilty and NO ONE will even entertain the thought that you might have been innocent.

Karma's a bitch.

[osan]

That way you don't get uppity when they shove their marxism down your throat.

Wanna bet? :)

[osan]

You will find my posts promote individual liberty over the statism you are promoting. I have been staying out of this debate and only spoke out because of you and several other posters spamming these threads with statist propaganda.

Here is a good example:

- Your disparaging the concept of a private individual observing his community for crime prevention purposes in favor of official law enforcement.

- Complaining that Zimmerman was not a member of an official "national neighborhood watch".

- Promoting violation of the non-aggression principle. Posts believing that if the above occurs that the person being followed has a right to attack the follower or observer.

- Stating that there is no risk of death or injury if a stranger is on top of your beating you MMA style. Promoting in this instance that individuals do not have right of self defense and must allow themselves to be beaten waiting for official law enforcement.

- Repeated posts complaining that Zimmerman did not follow the advice of a government dispatcher at a non-emergency number.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kahless again.


Can someone cover me, please?

Good job... well done.

[osan]

Good one, you got me on that and as a man of my words, I will have to pay up. But OJ Simpson's case is what we in the business call an exception to the rule.

Man of your word? That implies honesty and integrity, yet this little turd you toss out in a weak attempt to save face after having gotten your ass spanked good is no indicator of such qualities. Wanna be a man about it? Admit you were proven wrong and move on. This response serves only to embarrass and taint you.

[osan]

I cannot argue with that. What I had a problem with is this idea that there are black people who are caught after killing other black people and are let go by the justice system. Maybe they slacking off on their unsolved crime case files but when they have a situation like the one with Zimmerman, they go for this kill.

Just look at what they did to the lady who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to scare off what she thought was an aggressive ex, she was convicted of I think child endangerment and is serving 20 yrs behind bars. Nobody was injured but the prosecutors did not let her off and yes she was black, husband was black and the children being endangered were black.

She shot AT her husband, the children being right next to him. The bullet went through a wall, ricocheted, and went into the ceiling. I agree 20 years was grotesquely excessive - a couple years in a nuthouse with a good doctor should have been the result, but do not attempt to portray the woman as a po' victim.

[mac_hine]

Man commenting on Trayvon rally, "8 black men killed over the Christmas holiday by other black men, and these people didn't have one rally in their honor.... but, as soon as these negroes can blame a murder on a white person... oh here they come."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

[dannno]

Your turn to think.

The law is stated in such a way to protect people- especially women- from being stalked. Some stalking is a series of events over days or weeks- some stalking can take place in one evening. This means the "stalker" can follow someone and if they fear for their lives, it can be considered stalking.

Nice try.


They become illegal when they breach the legal definition of harassment e.g. an action such as sending a text is not usually illegal, but is illegal when frequently repeated to an unwilling recipient. In fact, United Kingdom law states the incident only has to happen twice when the stalker should be aware their behavior is unacceptable e.g. two phone calls to a stranger, two gifts following the victim then phoning them etc.

-Wikipedia


So following somebody because you think they are a criminal is not illegal - continuing to subsequently follow somebody after you have found out that they are NOT a criminal may be stalking.

Zimmerman did not stalk Trayvon, get over your shit. Trayvon was a thieving drug user - THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO ENJOYS DRUGS - there is nothing wrong with drug use in and of itself, but Trayvon was most likely getting skittles and iced tea to get high, I knew that from the beginning. He was a thug who liked to steal jewelry and he dressed like a thug in a gated neighborhood that had many recent burglaries by individuals matching his description. Zimmerman had every right to make sure this kid wasn't about to break into one of his neighbor's houses. Then Trayvon came up to him and attacked him. That's likely what happened, and there is no evidence that didn't happen.

[dannno]

Ahhhh....but you and kahless NEVER post the same shit. Right.

Hope you're never in a situation where everyone thinks you're guilty and NO ONE will even entertain the thought that you might have been innocent.

Karma's a bitch.

Trayvon is dead, why the hell would he care what anybody thinks? Zimmerman is still alive, that is the issue. Have you entertained the thought that Trayvon may have attacked Zimmerman for no reason?

I have entertained the thought that Trayvon was murdered and is innocent from the beginning, but the more bullshit I hear from the mainstream media the less I'm inclined to believe it.

Do you regularly agree with the mainstream media?

[Kregisen]

Ahhhh....but you and kahless NEVER post the same shit. Right.

Hope you're never in a situation where everyone thinks you're guilty and NO ONE will even entertain the thought that you might have been innocent.

Karma's a bitch.

Actually, after reading this story, it reminded me of a time when I was 17 or so at my first job biking home around midnight) and was biking through my subdivision. I decided to take a longer way around just to see what was around there since I always went a different way. I was going slowly taking my time not in a rush, and a few minutes later I casually turn around and see a ~30 year old man on a bicycle following me. I kept going and then he started calling out to me. I stopped and said "what do you want?" and he asked me what I was doing - this is very similar to the Zimmerman/Martin episode except I didn't bash his head into the concrete. I told him I was coming home from work and he explained that he had just gotten stuff stolen our of his yard the night before and was suspicious. Anyway he left and I went on my way.

However your post still makes no sense. YOU'RE the one here thinking Zimmerman is guilty even though there is no evidence of it.

[satchelmcqueen]

Actually, after reading this story, it reminded me of a time when I was 17 or so at my first job biking home around midnight) and was biking through my subdivision. I decided to take a longer way around just to see what was around there since I always went a different way. I was going slowly taking my time not in a rush, and a few minutes later I casually turn around and see a ~30 year old man on a bicycle following me. I kept going and then he started calling out to me. I stopped and said "what do you want?" and he asked me what I was doing - this is very similar to the Zimmerman/Martin episode except I didn't bash his head into the concrete. I told him I was coming home from work and he explained that he had just gotten stuff stolen our of his yard the night before and was suspicious. Anyway he left and I went on my way.

However your post still makes no sense. YOU'RE the one here thinking Zimmerman is guilty even though there is no evidence of it.


man i was just about to post my story and thoughts after the verdict. for some reason my wife now thinks Z had no right to follow martin and now thinks martin might have had a reason to be afraid. and we live in a crappy crime ridden neighborhood AND have been stolen from! there are people that walk our roads at all hours of the day and night. its always the same trashy white people and trashy black people. therye all the same. they dont work, they steal from people, yet theyve just not got caught yet.

SOOOOOO since we have been stolen from i have installed a fence, flood lights and am always keeping my eye out. its kinda funny and ironic but about 2 weeks ago i get up to pee around 3am and notice two teens walking up the road and acting all weird. they dance in the road and laugh, then they bolt over into my neighbors yard and dissapear behind his house. he is about 90yrs old and can barely walk. hes also been stolen from and even shot at people 5 years ago. so i start to put on my clothes so i can go and see what the hell they are doing and start calling 911. before i can get my boots on they re appear in the road and dance off into the dark down the street. i still made a report because i cant just be a pussy and hide inside my house while people might be robbing or bashing my neighbors head in. i have the right to look after my place and my neighborhood.

now my wife told me i shouldnt have even thought of going out there because i would have been the aggressor, yet when it happened a few weeks back she said i did the right thing.

so stopping short of threatening someone, punching, or anything physical or verbal threats,.....when is it ok in these eyes of people like my wife to EVER go out and just observe as a witness and good neighbor without going "over the line" so to speak in their minds? i just dont understand it people are always saying how we should protect our homes and our area and keep it clean and keep the trashy people out, yet, now all of a sudden it seems there is no room for anyone doing anything except hiding in their homes like a pussy and waiting on the cops to arrive and save them.

i want neighbors like zimmerman and that old guy from texas that shot the guys robbing his neighbor. i want those kind of people around me. and also this whole idea of zimmerman being the aggressor or being intimidating to a person who shouldnt even be in the area leaves no room for even a neighborhood watch program anymore if these people had things their way.

i dont get it. i really dont.

and just to restate one thing that is a good thing to remember about some of these gated communities is that most of them along with most subdivisions dont have a public road in the general sense. the road running through most of them is half owned by each opposing lot owner. the center line of road is the property line. now if this is true in Zs area, then no one can then make the public road claim.