PICTURE: Here's Edward Snowden....

[Warlord]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/7/12/1373634326552/Edward-Snowden-011.jpg


Follow live blog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51dfff25e4b080e8e94ca8e5

[Warlord]

Someone please follow it not sure if i can keep an eye on it... post anything interesting please

[Warlord]

Ellen Barry of the New York Times (https://twitter.com/EllenBarryNYT) reports that Tanya Lokshina of Human Rights Watch, who is in the meeting, says Snowden has said he has received offers from Venezuela, Russia, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Ecuador. He thanks them. He says he accepts all offers, present and future. The offer from Venezuela has been made formally. He wants help in guaranteeing his safe passage to Latin America, she says. He will submit an asylum claim to Russia today, but he plans to go to Latin America eventually, she says.

[Warlord]

hmm.. maybe he should just stay in Russia if they're offering. It's going to be hard to move to Latin America.

[Warlord]

As mentioned earlier, the Kremlin said (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-nsa-withdraws-asylum-russia-putin) previously that Snowden had withdrawn a previous request for asylum in Russia after Vladimir Putin said he would be welcome only if he stopped "his work aimed at bringing harm" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/putin-snowden-remain-russia-offer) to the United States (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/usa).

If Barry and Lokshina are right, Snowden has now reconsidered this. He seems to be saying that the only way he can guarantee his safety where he is now, before he heads to Latin America, is to gain temporary asylum in Russia.

[Warlord]

Big news is that #Snowden (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Snowden&src=hash) is applying for political asylum in Russia, despte Putin's condition that he stop publishing. from @TanyaLokshina (https://twitter.com/TanyaLokshina)

[presence]

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less than 1m ago (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51e008a8e4b07e1786aa0501)
It seems as though the meeting is over. There is now a massive media scrum at the airport again.


4m ago (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51e007f4e4b0d557cc000969)
According to Ellen Barry (https://twitter.com/EllenBarryNYT) and Tanya Lokshina, Snowden is saying he cannot appeal to international organisations because they require that you come to them.
He says he is recognised as an asylum seeker by the UN High Commission on Refugees – but the US, he says, does not recognise this, as the Morales plane affair showed.


7m ago (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51e0072ae4b019f8d7037ac8)
Ellen Barry of the New York Times (https://twitter.com/EllenBarryNYT) is in contact with Human Rights Watch's Tanya Lokshina, who is in the Snowden meeting.
She says that Snowden is saying he wants to remain in Russia and travel, and he wants international organisations to petition the US and EU not to interfere with that.
Referring to Putin's condition that he can only stay if he stops harming the US, Snowden apparently has said: "No actions I take or plan are meant to harm the US ... I want the US to succeed."


18m ago (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51e00480e4b07e1786aa04fc)
As mentioned earlier, the Kremlin said (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-nsa-withdraws-asylum-russia-putin) previously that Snowden had withdrawn a previous request for asylum in Russia after Vladimir Putin said he would be welcome only if he stopped "his work aimed at bringing harm" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/putin-snowden-remain-russia-offer) to the United States (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/usa).
If Barry and Lokshina are right, Snowden has now reconsidered this. He seems to be saying that the only way he can guarantee his safety where he is now, before he heads to Latin America, is to gain temporary asylum in Russia.

[Warlord]

thanks for posting.. not a whole lot more info but interesting stuff

good to see he is well anyway

[Warlord]

bump... any more news?

[Warlord]

Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said he is unaware of a formal asylum request from Snowden, according to Reuters. As mentioned earlier, he reiterated Putin's demand that Snowden stop harming the US before he is granted asylum.

[amy31416]

Big news is that #Snowden (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Snowden&src=hash) is applying for political asylum in Russia, despte Putin's condition that he stop publishing. from @TanyaLokshina (https://twitter.com/TanyaLokshina)

Snowden turned all the documents over to Greenwald, is my understanding, so he technically won't be publishing.

Clever if that's how it's going down.

[Warlord]

Another piccy of Snowden. He looks thin.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-tIviCYAAbFi9.jpg

[Warlord]

Snowden turned all the documents over to Greenwald, is my understanding, so he technically won't be publishing.

Clever if that's how it's going down.

I am not sure if he turned everything over... who knows. But GG seems confident he's publishing more stuff. Whether this changes or not who knows.

[JoshLowry]

I am not sure if he turned everything over... who knows. But GG seems confident he's publishing more stuff. Whether this changes or not who knows.

What source/article/video impliies GG is confident Snowden is publishing more?

I've only seen GG say that Snowden's work is done. That would be clever.

[tangent4ronpaul]

tubez anyone?

-t

[Warlord]

What source/article/video impliies GG is confident Snowden is publishing more?

I've only seen GG say that Snowden's work is done.

He said on FOX with Bolling more was coming and it would shock us Josh.

Whether Putin considers this to be Snowden or not remains to be seen but it might not come out as part of a deal to stay in Russia?

[KEEF]

bump

[amy31416]

Another piccy of Snowden. He looks thin.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-tIviCYAAbFi9.jpg

One of the Russian fellows commented on how thin he was as well, though he added that he "has a great haircut."

Get Snowden a big-ass bowl of borscht, stat!

[JoshLowry]

He said on FOX with Bolling more was coming and it would shock us Josh.

Whether Putin considers this to be Snowden or not remains to be seen but it might not come out as part of a deal to stay in Russia?

Thanks, was that interview today?

[Warlord]

Thanks, was that today?

No a week or so ago? Search for Greenwald more revelations coming or Greenwald eric bolling politico. I'm pretty sure I posted the article here...

[TonySutton]

there are several third parties who may have received the data and who could continue to release it. snowden continues to play the game very well. it looks like a new round of the shell game is beginning.

[Warlord]

Here you go Josh:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419313-Greenwald-More-quot-significant-quot-revelations-coming

He also said the same thing with Bolling on Fox and that was a week or so ago. so hrmm,...

[KEEF]

WikiLeaks has posted a long statement by Edward Snowden, dated today at 5pm Moscow time. Here it is in full:



Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone’s communications at any time. That is the power to change people’s fates.
It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice – that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.
I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."
Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.
That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.
Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement – the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president’s plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.
Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.
I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela’s President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.
This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.
If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.
Thank you.

[kathy88]

Edward Snowden is a valued, highly admired, cherished and much respected citizen of the whole damn planet.

Asylum in that sense is just a notional term at this point but give it to him anyway.

Back off, evil empire America with all your other little patsy governments. No one likes you.

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BillMorton spockdatadreamteam

12 July 2013 1:22pm
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You are a complete fool. I think that you need to see the latest James Bond movie. Though fictional, it is really not that far from reality about the world we live in today. Remember that the U.S., because of its current economic power, is the chief defender of democratic values in the world.
It has cooperative arrangements with various Western European governments. This decision to forbid airspace should not could come as a

[Root]

Another piccy of Snowden. He looks thin.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-tIviCYAAbFi9.jpg
But healthy/well. Shaven, groomed. Clean shirt. Looks alert in the first pic. Could all be smoke and mirrors...

[enhanced_deficit]

Babe magnet.

[Warlord]

Another small update about stopping leaks if he's to stay in Russia:

Both Nikonov and Genri Reznik, a lawyer who participated in the meeting, said Snowden was willing to stop leaks.

"He said he was informed of this condition and that he can easily accept it. He does not intend to damage the United States' interests given that he is a patriot of his country," Nikonov said.

[enhanced_deficit]

nvm

found source, thanks

[Warlord]

URL in the OP (guardian live blog)

[KEEF]

We better get more on the Gov.


Snowden said he "can easily accept" a condition that he stop leaking in order to gain temporary asylum in Russia, according to a Russian MP who attended the airport meeting, in comments reported by the Associated Press (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/amnesty-official-russia-plans-meet-snowden). A note of caution: No transcript has yet emerged of Snowden's statement and the parliamentarian's account could not be independently verified:
Dmitry Peskov, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, told Russian news agencies after the announcement Friday that Russia has not yet received a new bid for asylum from Snowden and that Putin would continue with his insistence that Snowden stop leaking information.
Both Nikonov and Genri Reznik, a lawyer who participated in the meeting, said Snowden was willing to stop leaks.
"He said he was informed of this condition and that he can easily accept it. He does not intend to damage the United States' interests given that he is a patriot of his country," Nikonov said.
Snowden did say, according to (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag#block-51e00a1ee4b0d557cc00096a) Tanya Lokshina of Human Rights Watch, that he has no intention of harming US interests but it was unclear whether by his thinking that rules out further leaks. Read the full piece here (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/amnesty-official-russia-plans-meet-snowden).

[Warlord]

Keef, I think his safety is the main concern... oh well... I wonder if this stops Greenwald though as noted earlier in the thread?

[KEEF]

less than 1m ago (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51e0317ce4b019f8d7037aee)
The short video from the Snowden meeting has been posted to YouTube. The video captures a light moment in which Snowden resumes reading from his statement, only to be interrupted by an airport announcement. He stops and smiles.
"I've heard this many times in the last week," he says.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=54qK_T6YmKQ

[KEEF]

Keef, I think his safety is the main concern... oh well... I wonder if this stops Greenwald though as noted earlier in the thread?
True about the safety of him, but at the same time what about the safety of American citizens from their own authoritarian government if this criminal network, we call the US Gov., is not exposed?

[presence]

less than 1m ago (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu#block-51e0317ce4b019f8d7037aee)
The short video from the Snowden meeting


Audio Video fail.

[KEEF]

Audio Video fail.
Try again


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=54qK_T6YmKQ

[HOLLYWOOD]

Thanks, was that interview today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAg5LMBl3J4

[Warlord]

Thanks for posting HOLLYWOOD, question is does Snowden if he's gagged stop GG and what he already has.