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DamianTV
07-11-2013, 08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-55_4MoBYas

Anti Federalist
07-11-2013, 08:15 PM
Any day now, I reckon...

Tod
07-11-2013, 09:07 PM
Makes me think of the story of the three little pigs and how the wolf huffed and puffed but could not blow the door down on the third pig's house....

kcchiefs6465
07-11-2013, 09:12 PM
Makes me think of the story of the three little pigs and how the wolf huffed and puffed but could not blow the door down on the third pig's house....
The wolf didn't have a battering ram..

Tod
07-11-2013, 09:18 PM
The wolf didn't have a battering ram..

If I were to build a new house, I'd be inclined to take that into consideration and make things difficult for them. (a hidden escape tunnel would be fun too!)

DGambler
07-12-2013, 06:21 AM
What the fuck....what the fuck?!?!?!?!?

Context please.

tod evans
07-12-2013, 06:40 AM
The wolf didn't have a battering ram..

The three little pigs didn't have claymores...:eek:

WM_in_MO
07-12-2013, 07:09 AM
Any day now, I reckon...
The next time the cops come to my door I'd imagine.

belian78
07-12-2013, 07:21 AM
What the fuck....what the fuck?!?!?!?!?

Context please.
A dogooder neighbor had called the cops because they were supposedly having an argument in the backyard. Yes, this is all because of hearsay.

pcosmar
07-12-2013, 07:59 AM
A dogooder neighbor Stazi informer had called the cops because they were supposedly having an argument in the backyard. Yes, this is all because of hearsay.

FIFY :(

presence
07-12-2013, 08:02 AM
Fuck the police.

VoluntaryAmerican
07-12-2013, 09:17 AM
COTATI (KPIX 5) — A Sonoma County man’s video that shows police officers kicking in a door and using a stun gun on him has gone viral and is raising questions about the constitutionality of police tactics.

James Wood, 33, said he had a loud argument with his wife last Friday, but what he did not know was that a neighbor had called 911.

The call, and a subsequent call by a police officer for backup, started a chain of events which led to Wood getting zapped by a stun gun several times while his wife, Jennifer, is heard screaming in the background.

When officers showed up at his door, Wood said four officers all drew their pistols, pointed them at the couple and a family friend and demanded to go inside without explaining why.

“I asked several times, ‘What am I being accused of?’” Wood told KPIX 5. “And when they didn’t answer, I asked, ‘do you have a search warrant?’ And they said, ‘No, we don’t need one.’ And I was like, ‘you’re not getting in here. I am not opening that door.’”

Wood is heard on the video saying it is his constitutional right to refuse the officers entry.

Officers asked, “Why are you not coming out?”

Wood’s friend, James Helton responded, “Because we don’t live in a police state sir. Martial law has not been established in this country.”

“We had surrendered inside our house,” Wood said. “I was not going to surrender my door.”

In a press release, Cotati police said the officers’ actions were justified because it was a call for domestic violence, and as such, the officers could not leave without making sure everyone inside the apartment was safe.

“To do so would be a neglect of duty,” said the statement. “Due to the exigent circumstances, the officers were forced to kick the door open in order to enter the apartment. Constitutional law allows for officers to make entries under these types of circumstances without a warrant.”

Paul Henderson, a former prosecutor and KPIX 5 legal analyst, agreed the officers had the right to force entry into the home.

“In the case where you have a third party calling from outside of the house, the cops have to investigate,” said Henderson. “They’re not necessarily going to take or believe someone telling them from behind a locked door that everything is okay without doing an investigation.”

According to the police press release, Wood faces two charges: obstructing a peace officer and false imprisonment.

Jennifer Wood, James’ wife, showed KPIX 5 bruises on her arm and said an officer caused them. She was adamant that there was absolutely no domestic violence between her and her husband, just a loud disagreement about finances.

“The officer later tried to get me to say my husband abused me,” Jennifer Wood said. “But I told him, ‘the only one that hurt me was you.’”

The couple is angry that the situation escalated the way it did.

“If they had been polite and explained what was going on, we wouldn’t be here,” James Wood said.


http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/cotati-mans-video-shows-police-barging-into-home-using-stun-gun/

Pericles
07-12-2013, 09:20 AM
The problem in this country is not too much violence, but that there is not enough of the proper kind of violence. That would stop this shit, pronto.

SeanTX
07-12-2013, 09:47 AM
The problem in this country is not too much violence, but that there is not enough of the proper kind of violence. That would stop this shit, pronto.

Yes, then they would realize that one of the best ways to protect their oh-so-precious "officer safety" would be to stop being so pig-headly aggressive and to leave people alone as much as possible

69360
07-12-2013, 09:58 AM
The deal with domestic violence calls is that the cops are obligated to check if all parties are injured. If they refuse to come open the door it leads to situations like this. If they had opened the door, walked out and said everything was fine, nobody was hurt, the cops have to leave they can't enter your home.

The takeaway from this is don't live near other people and don't call the cops, ever.

Seraphim
07-12-2013, 10:16 AM
There was no domestic violence. They had a VERBAL argument.


The deal with domestic violence calls is that the cops are obligated to check if all parties are injured. If they refuse to come open the door it leads to situations like this. If they had opened the door, walked out and said everything was fine, nobody was hurt, the cops have to leave they can't enter your home.

The takeaway from this is don't live near other people and don't call the cops, ever.

KEEF
07-12-2013, 10:29 AM
WOW

Warrior_of_Freedom
07-12-2013, 10:29 AM
A dogooder neighbor had called the cops because they were supposedly having an argument in the backyard. Yes, this is all because of hearsay.

Gotta love those. Once I got in trouble at school and I mentioned I didn't want to go home because my dad would be pissed I got in trouble at school. Somehow they took that as he was going to beat me, teacher called child protective services, and they tried to kidnap me.

mczerone
07-12-2013, 10:31 AM
Yes, then they would realize that one of the best ways to protect their oh-so-precious "officer safety" would be to stop being so pig-headly aggressive and to leave people alone as much as possible

No. They don't rationalize incentives like that.

They'd simply handle every single mundane as an immediate threat, shooting everyone who didn't lay prone before them.

More violence is not the solution.

Pericles
07-12-2013, 05:01 PM
....................More violence is not the solution.

“Anyone who clings to the historically untrue—and thoroughly immoral—doctrine that, ‘violence never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedom.”
- Colonel DuBois, Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein -

TheTexan
07-12-2013, 05:10 PM
The deal with domestic violence calls is that the cops are obligated to check if all parties are injured. If they refuse to come open the door it leads to situations like this. If they had opened the door, walked out and said everything was fine, nobody was hurt, the cops have to leave they can't enter your home.

The takeaway from this is don't live near other people and don't call the cops, ever.

I don't think that's true. I remember reading about a case a while back where some departments have a policy where they are obligated to arrest at least one of the people involved in the domestic dispute. e.g., if you open that door, either you, or your wife (most likely you), is getting a free ride to the station

heavenlyboy34
07-12-2013, 05:11 PM
WTF? :mad: Get a rope for the cops and the nosy gnark.

TheTexan
07-12-2013, 05:14 PM
More violence is not the solution.

(Not that I advocate violence, but) violence in defense of self and family is just, moral, and necessary for a free country. Aggressive violence, as we have seen, does not respond well to "please do not do that to me."

Occam's Banana
07-12-2013, 07:42 PM
“In the case where you have a third party calling from outside of the house, the cops have to investigate,” said Henderson. “They’re not necessarily going to take or believe someone telling them from behind a locked door that everything is okay without doing an investigation.”

It used to be that the cops had to call a judge before they could force their way into someone's home.

Now the cops just have to get some random, anonymous person to call them.

Mr. Henderson thinks that is just dandy. Henderson is a "former prosecutor." Imagine that.

Occam's Banana
07-12-2013, 07:42 PM
Yes, then they would realize that one of the best ways to protect their oh-so-precious "officer safety" would be to stop being so pig-headly aggressive and to leave people alone as much as possible

Circular force continuum is circular.

69360
07-12-2013, 07:45 PM
There was no domestic violence. They had a VERBAL argument.

Verbal argument is a domestic violence call.


I don't think that's true. I remember reading about a case a while back where some departments have a policy where they are obligated to arrest at least one of the people involved in the domestic dispute. e.g., if you open that door, either you, or your wife (most likely you), is getting a free ride to the station

Only if one party has visible injuries or claims injury.

If both parties have no injuries and ask the police to leave, they leave.

Deborah K
07-12-2013, 08:05 PM
“To do so would be a neglect of duty,” said the statement. “Due to the exigent circumstances, the officers were forced to kick the door open in order to enter the apartment. Constitutional law allows for officers to make entries under these types of circumstances without a warrant."

Really? Really??? I'd like to see that 'Constitutional law'.

We are now all guilty until proven innocent and the police, rather than a court, get to decided which it is.