Police serving search warrant at home of pro-gun activist Adam Kokesh

[muzzled dogg]

HERNDON, Va. -

FOX 5 has confirmed that U.S. Park Police along with Herndon Police are serving a search warrant at the home of Adam Kokesh, a pro-gun activist who was seen on a YouTube video posted on July 4th loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza.

Roads have been blocked off near the area of the 1500 block of Snow Flake Court in Herndon and residents have been told to stay indoors while police serve the warrant.

In the video, Kokesh, a former Marine, appears to load red shells into a pump-action shotgun while addressing the camera in Freedom Plaza, which is U.S. parkland.

Kokesh said, "We will not be silent. We will not obey. We will not allow our government to destroy our humanity."

Kokesh has threatened to lead an armed march from Virginia into D.C. on the Fourth of July, but later backed away from the plan. At the end of the video, Kokesh hints it may happen in the future. As Kokesh loads shells in to the shotgun, he tells the camera: “We are the final American revolution. See you next Independence Day."

D.C. Police Chief Lanier told us on July 4th, "You're allowed to have a rifle [or] shotgun registered for your home, if you're a D.C. resident and it's registered for the protection of your home. You can transport it through the District of Columbia as well. But there are rules for that transport. What [Kokesh] did [Thursday] morning, if in fact that was a real firearm [with] real ammunition, would be a violation of the law."

Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22799261/police-serving-warrant-for-arrest-of-pro-gun-activist-adam-kokesh#ixzz2YbftgD11
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[muzzled dogg]

"All Detained at the house currently
flash banged and and door rammed"

(https://www.facebook.com/adamcharleskokesh/posts/10100101809669534)

[Dr.3D]

He may have been loading it with popper rounds.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/gundog_2268_240996147

Since those don't actually fire anything from the barrel, I wonder if they would be an exception.

[muzzled dogg]

Adam Kokesh arrested at home with his crew. Shield Mutual rolling into action. (https://www.facebook.com/ShieldMutual/posts/633834089969248)


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[Reason]

There is NO WAY for the police to prove that he was putting live rounds in, "snap caps"

[kcchiefs6465]

Flash banged huh.

Fucking assholes.

[green73]

updates please...

[ClydeCoulter]

Flash banged huh.

Fucking assholes.

But, Kokesh has been so violent, so many cops hurt by him. Do you think you will find a cop that will brave going up to his front door and serving a warrant face to face? /sarc

+rep.

[mad cow]

I didn't know he lived in Herndon,I thought he was from Arizona.
Good luck,Adam!

[angelatc]

I hope they didn't shoot his dog.

[green73]

"All Detained at the house currently
flash banged and and door rammed"

(https://www.facebook.com/adamcharleskokesh/posts/10100101809669534)

I'm not on fedbook. cut and paste please.

[green73]

//

[Dr.3D]

Seems cops have forgotten how to knock on a door. Best they can do anymore is break them down.

[Keith and stuff]

Adam Kokesh arrested at home with his crew. Shield Mutual rolling into action. (https://www.facebook.com/ShieldMutual/posts/633834089969248)

It sounds like it isn't the first. For example, the Civil Disobedience Evolution Fund came before it. http://cdevolution.org/

[muzzled dogg]

http://isadamkokeshinjail.com/

[muzzled dogg]

I'm not on fedbook. cut and paste please.

that's all the post said

i just linked to the post itself

[muzzled dogg]

Breaking: Adam Kokesh Home Raided by Feds (http://therundownlive.com/?p=2697)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Bqssok0Ayc

[muzzled dogg]

Adam Kokesh Arrested, Home Raided Over Open Carry YouTube Video (http://intellihub.com/2013/07/09/adam-kokesh-arrested-home-raided-over-open-carry-youtube-video/)

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are you friends with https://www.facebook.com/adamcharleskokesh ?

[kathy88]

I hope they didn't shoot his dog.

I asked. Baloo is okay, surprisingly.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Seems cops have forgotten how to knock on a door. Best they can do anymore is break them down.

Seriously. Is this the new way of serving a search warrant?

[muzzled dogg]

video here: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Serving-Warrant-at-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html

[SeanTX]

Seriously. Is this the new way of serving a search warrant?

Yes, along with "ordering" the neighbors to stay inside their houses, as if they are prisoners.

[ObiRandKenobi]

Too bad he called off the March. Were they going to arrest everyone?

[fearthereaperx]

He mentioned on Alex Jones that it was a real gun.

[KEEF]

So when does David Gregory get the police flash banging him?

[muzzled dogg]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1000758_664638803563672_423046324_n.png

[kcchiefs6465]

What's with the Park Police and their hard on for AK?

I don't understand why they are partaking in the raid or even are the ones investigating AK.

[ghengis86]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1000758_664638803563672_423046324_n.png

Ah yes, the equal and impartial application of the law?

[Henry Rogue]

Maybe Adam will be our Gandhi, our Mandela.

[QuickZ06]

The government will bomb you, tax you to death, live above the laws they create. But you will not arm yourself in your own countries capital.

[Deborah K]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Serving-Warrant-at-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html

Video included.

[randpaul2016]

Free Adam Kokesh!!!

[angelatc]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Serving-Warrant-at-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html

Video included.


In the video, titled "Open Carry March on DC a Success," Kokesh looks directly into the camera as he loads bullets into a shotgun.

"Bullets in a shotgun?" I'm not a gun person, but.....is that phrased right? Shouldn't it say shells?

[Deborah K]

"Bullets in a shotgun?" I'm not a gun person, but.....is that phrased right? Shouldn't it say shells?


hehe, yep. it should. dummies.

[BuddyRey]

#FreeAdamKokesh !!!

[AuH20]

Looks like he got his wish. Sounds like 'the man' is hot on his trail. Stay tuned to this.

http://www.dailypaul.com/291954/adam-kokesh-raided-by-federal-police#comments

[AuH20]

His roommate just posted this on Kokesh's facebook:


HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! So police raided our house with dudes looking like call of duty... shit was fucked up!! Adam is in jail in Herndon, VA... This is fucked up... More info to come. - Lucas

[BuddyRey]

How do we get this put up on Drudge?

[AuH20]

Who else is personally conflicted by Adam Kokesh? I honestly don't know if he's friend or foe.

[kcchiefs6465]

Who else is personally conflicted by Adam Kokesh? I don't know if he's friend or foe.
What's his crime again?

[AuH20]

What's his crime again?

No crime. I'm questioning some of his stunts in that they are so over-the-top that doubt starts to creep in the back of your head. You don't beat the leviathan by beating your head against a concrete wall. That's my opinion. Like they say, the quiet guy at the end of the bar who keeps to himself is the one to worry about, so to speak.

[Deborah K]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Serving-Warrant-at-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html

Video included.

[kcchiefs6465]

No crime. I'm questioning some of his stunts in that they are so over-the-top that doubt starts to creep in the back of your head. You don't beat the leviathan by beating your head against a concrete wall. That's my opinion.
Maybe so.

I personally just don't understand much of the hate.

Here's a peaceful activist whose home was flash bang grenaded for the crime of what, supporting the Second Amendment?

It's clear the supposed "crime" he committed is bullshit. I just don't know why it seems many here would revel in his arrest or imprisonment.

[Deborah K]

"I was here, and I loaded a shotgun on Independence Day, but I didn't kill anybody. I didn't drone any children," he said Monday. "I didn't steal any children's future. I didn't sell this country into debt. I didn't do any of the crimes that the man two blocks over at the White House is responsible for."

from NBC website

[AuH20]

Maybe so.

I personally just don't understand much of the hate.

Here's a peaceful activist whose home was flash bang grenaded for the crime of what, supporting the Second Amendment?

It's clear the supposed "crime" he committed is bullshit. I just don't know why it seems many here would revel in his arrest or imprisonment.

I don't hate him. I actually donated money to his failed congressional campaign. I'm on the fence. I don't know what to think honestly. He could be an impatient, unstable patriot or a paid provocateur. I don't have enough info to formulate a solid hypothesis.

[kcchiefs6465]

Adam Kokesh makes some very good points.

[Brian4Liberty]

Adam Kokesh, Political Prisoner -Day 1.

[jclay2]

No crime. I'm questioning some of his stunts in that they are so over-the-top that doubt starts to creep in the back of your head. You don't beat the leviathan by beating your head against a concrete wall. That's my opinion. Like they say, the quiet guy at the end of the bar who keeps to himself is the one to worry about, so to speak.

Yes, very over the top carrying a fire arm in emerika!

[AuH20]

Yes, very over the top carrying a fire arm in emerika!

It's all his stunts as an entire portfolio. The Jefferson Memorial garbage, the alleged pot smoking in front of the White House fence. Why all the spectacle? Charles Dyer was fighting the beast in his own way and without all the fanfare. Needless to say the Feds made an example of him.

[James Madison]

Arrested for loading a gun on July 4th....

...in the military capital of the world.

Can we secede now?

[Right Wing]

Who else is personally conflicted by Adam Kokesh? I honestly don't know if he's friend or foe.

It seems sometimes he doesn't pick his battles wisely. For instance, the march on Washington was a good idea, but he got arrested twice within a month prior to the march which ended up getting cancelled. One arrest was in Philadelphia at the marijuana rally and the second time was for smoking a joint outside the whitehouse.

[anaconda]

I don't see any point of a search. How can anything confiscated be authenticated as the firearm in the video?

[JK/SEA]

Adams the guy that yells FIRE when everyone else is asleep.

[mad cow]

Who else is personally conflicted by Adam Kokesh? I honestly don't know if he's friend or foe.

We read about people here all the time victimized by the police state who we know absolutely nothing about.
It sounds like Adam Kokesh had his door busted in and he was arrested for a victimless crime for which he might serve five years in jail.

At this point,I don't care what his politics are,or his favorite football team or his zodiac sign,I'm his ally,just like I would be the ally of anybody else I knew nothing about who was arrested by the police-state for an Unconstitutional so-called crime involving a man exercising his God-given and Second Amendment recognized right to keep and bear arms.

[devil21]

Imagine if he had taken a 30 round magazine onto national tv!

Oh wait....

http://www.livenewschat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/NBC%E2%80%99s-David-Gregory-Displays-30-Round-Magazine-On-TV-Matter-Is-%E2%80%98Under-Investigation%E2%80%99-By-Police.jpg

[CPUd]

I don't see any point of a search. How can anything confiscated be authenticated as the firearm in the video?

It probably can't. I suspect they got the warrant based on the video and him having the same model registered. If they found it there, and he indeed has it registered, they will use it as evidence along with the video to try to make their case. Still a weak case, especially if they find unedited video and popper shells there too.

[QuickZ06]

Imagine if he had taken a 30 round magazine onto national tv!

Oh wait....

http://www.livenewschat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/NBC%E2%80%99s-David-Gregory-Displays-30-Round-Magazine-On-TV-Matter-Is-%E2%80%98Under-Investigation%E2%80%99-By-Police.jpg

DUDE that is clearly a clip......


*sarcasm*

[QuickZ06]

So where are all the folks at that said the video he made was stupid? Seems to be working pretty damn good right about now, I think they got the message quite clearly.

[mrsat_98]

Considering all the fake video we have had opportunity to watch, i.e. all of 911, Boston Bombing, Sandy Hook, etc. Maybe it would be fun to get upload multiple fake videos of armed people all over DC.

[kathy88]

Considering all the fake video we have had opportunity to watch, i.e. all of 911, Boston Bombing, Sandy Hook, etc. Maybe it would be fun to get upload multiple fake videos of armed people all over DC.THIS is an excellent idea. Clip them all together like the Lib celebrities in those awful anti gun videos. One person after another loading up in front of DC landmarks....

[luctor-et-emergo]

THIS is an excellent idea. Clip them all together like the Lib celebrities in those awful anti gun videos. One person after another loading up in front of DC landmarks....

Green screen ? Who would want to volunteer for that ?

[QuickZ06]

No matter what your opinion of him is, he was their on the 4th exercising the rights that are suppose to exists in a free country. So for anyone who sat around and ate BBQ or drank beer on the 4th, how about we stop the bashing and learn a thing or two.

[Working Poor]

I feel that Adam is not really helping anything at all.

[presence]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/07/10/gun-advocate-adam-kokesh-arrested-after-posting-video-loading-shotgun-in-d-c/
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/265733/373/Feds-Searching-Gun-Rights-Activist-Home
http://www.wtop.com/149/3384202/Adam-Kokesh-arrested-in-Herndon
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Serving-Warrant-at-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/us/dc-kokesh-search/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/police-search-home-gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/activist-adam-kokesh-reportedly-arrested-in-herndon/2013/07/10/73dbc8c2-e943-11e2-8f22-de4bd2a2bd39_story.html
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22799261/police-serving-warrant-for-arrest-of-pro-gun-activist-adam-kokesh
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/u-s-park-police-serving-seach-warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh-arrested
http://inthecapital.streetwise.co/2013/07/10/armed-march-on-dc-organizer-adam-kokesh-arrested/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/10/activist-who-loaded-shotgun-in-d-c-arrested-on-gun-and-drugs-charges/
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/265733/188/Feds-Searching-Gun-Rights-Activist-Home


Broke on: July 10th 2013
by: bmdub904
Filed under: Blog (http://adamvstheman.com/category/blog/)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
AVTM Official Press Release
RE: Raid on ADAM VS THE MAN Studios 10JUL13


(HERNDON, VA 10 JULY 2013)— On the evening of Tuesday, 09JUL13, at approximately 7:45 PM, a combination of US Parks Police (an arm of the DHS) raided Adam Kokesh’s residence. Local Herndon police assisted in the armed invasion. The officers used a battering ram to knock in the door after two knocks, and did not announce that they had a warrant.

Immediately after breaking down the door,
a flash bang grenade
was deployed in the foyer.

Numerous police vehicles, including a light armored vehicle and two low-flying helicopters barricaded Adam’s street. More than 20 armored SWAT team members surrounded the house, as well as a number of detectives, and plainclothes officers. Assault rifles were aimed on all members of the team as they were handcuffed without being told why they were detained. Masked and armored police in full “Storm Trooper” gear flooded in and ransacked the residence. The team was cordoned in a front room, while Adam was pulled aside for questioning.

Over the course of the next five hours, the police searched every corner of the house with canine units and blueprints to the house obtained prior to the search. All officers refused to speak to the crew while they we being detained. They confiscated cell phones and personal items with force. Throughout the ordeal, the police repeatedly showed a volatile desire to initiate aggressive, forceful conduct with detainees. At one point, Adam politely requested to use the restroom and was kicked by the officer forcing him to sit handcuffed on the floor. After hours of determined attempts, the safe was forced open and all items inside were confiscated. Adam was arrested and his crew were told he was being brought to the Herndon Police department overnight. Well after midnight, police officers cleared the house.

Fairfax County Adult Detention Center has stated that it has Adam in custody.
The ADAM VS THE MAN Team will be continuing production on the podcast and the Youtube channel as long as Adam remains imprisoned for an act of civil disobedience. We will continue to spread the message of liberty, self ownership, and the non-aggression principle regardless of the government’s relentless attacks on our operation. We will continue to combat its desperate attempts to crush a worldwide, revolutionary shift in the people’s understanding of the state’s illegitimacy—after all, good ideas don’t require force.
Media Contact: Lucas Jewell – lucas@adamvstheman.com



http://adamvstheman.com/


http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/july2013/100713raid1.jpg


Kokesh also appeared as a guest on Infowars Nightly News with Alex Jones just hours before the raid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a46u_yI3RoQ


What we are looking for is an evolution towards self government...
[]
...a voluntary peaceful society



http://www.infowars.com/adam-kokesh-raided-by-storm-trooper-cops/


http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/july2013/100713raid3.jpg

"media" (propaganda arm) on the scene during the raid seen in video at bottom:


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/10/activist-who-loaded-shotgun-in-d-c-arrested-on-gun-and-drugs-charges/

[better-dead-than-fed]

I feel that Adam is not really helping anything at all.

How are you helping anything at all?

[thoughtomator]

I live not far from where Kokesh is being held. If there's anything I can do to help, contact me.

[presence]

//

[Cap]

This can be used to our benefit. The state is over-reaching and most rational people will question their response. Adam just did the Constitution a favor.

[better-dead-than-fed]

a court official says that Kokesh refused to appear before a judge

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/u-s-park-police-serving-seach-warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html

This strikes me as odd, because when I was in U.S. Marshals custody, there was no option of refusing to appear before a judge. If they had to use pepper spray and restraints to get you into the court room, they were happy to.

[Cap]

Up on Drudge.

[green73]

How do we get this put up on Drudge?


http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/dsp/search.htm?searchFor=Gun-rights+activist+Adam+Kokesh+arrested

http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/dsp/search.htm?searchFor=REPORT%3A+Police+smash+into+r esidence+of+gun+activist%2C+deploy+flash+bang+gren ade

[IDefendThePlatform]

Kokesh's podcasts are thought provoking and well-thought out. I've got a lot of respect for him and for his willingness to put his beliefs in freedom and non-aggression into action.

Most of the general population who will be turned off by the "omg he loaded a gun and that's illegal" stuff still need to be woken up to the reality of what government really is (the iniation of force). This is one more way to point out that fact and also draw attention to the absurdity of govt edicts. My only critique of this video was the seeming aggressivness of his language (talking about revolution while loading a gun). But I will keep subscribing and donating to his podcast.

[presence]

//

[smithtg]

I have often wondered that if you had a good blue screen and video editing software and did something like he did with the capitol in the background (but were really in your living room) would the Feds raid you? I don't think I am going to try, but it would be an interesting experiment to show how stupid the LE are and how overzealous as well.

It seems like the cops have arrested a lot of people for "online" behavior whether it be a facebook post, youtube video, video game chat etc and nowadays even a 'fake' or 'joke' is going to get you put in the cage

[presence]

// consolidating info

[smithtg]

the WP article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/activist-adam-kokesh-reportedly-arrested-in-herndon/2013/07/10/73dbc8c2-e943-11e2-8f22-de4bd2a2bd39_story.html

make sure you make him a libertarian err I mean terrorist

Police searched the Northern Virginia home of libertarian activist Adam Kokesh

they put the word 'tyranny' in quotes too funny

He described the proposed event, in which he said participants would carry loaded guns across the Memorial Bridge from Arlington into Washington, as an act of civil disobedience against “tyranny.”

dont forget to link him to Ron Paul to:

In six years of headline-grabbing activism, Kokesh has embraced causes including peace in Iraq, free speech in the United States and the unsuccessful 2012 presidential candidacy of Ron Paul.

I suppose soon some of the neighbors will have filmed the raid and it will be on youtube. Start looking.

[presence]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RY_1puRj4E

[presence]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWVh5bbexks


Published on Jul 9, 2013

www.sovereigntactics.org
Educating these "statute" "police" enforcement officers on the REAL laws. No victim No crime. Shout out to copblock.org, ademo freedom, clyde freedom, Pete Eyre, and many others. Note, I should have said, "ALLEGED" crime, but forgive me, I was in court for 8 HOURS today with my brother arguing with cops, sheriffs, court clerks, give a guy a break. I know it was "alleged". but they understand my point!!!! Its been a long day. Regardless. NO VICTIM, NO CRIME. FREE KOKESH

Adam Kokesh's home was raided tonight by Herndon Police & US Parks Police, details are still fuzzy.

[Warlord]

Faces 2 years in prison? Sheesh. They will throw the book at him .

[QuickZ06]

Faces 2 years in prison? Sheesh. They will throw the book at him .

Why I thought you knew he was one of them.....change of heart?


This guy is a provocateur.

[presence]

Faces 2 years in prison? Sheesh. They will throw the book at him .

I hope 10 men fill his shoes.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Seriously. Is this the new way of serving a search warrant?



Yes, along with "ordering" the neighbors to stay inside their houses, as if they are prisoners.


That last part seems to be the new way. Breaking down doors by itself is old school.



No crime. I'm questioning some of his stunts in that they are so over-the-top that doubt starts to creep in the back of your head. You don't beat the leviathan by beating your head against a concrete wall. That's my opinion. Like they say, the quiet guy at the end of the bar who keeps to himself is the one to worry about, so to speak.


He can be him and I'll be me.

[AuH20]

Adam is right in terms of principle, but in my humble opinion his stategy and tactics are severely lacking.


BTW Did anyone else laugh out loud when reading this?

http://www.infowars.com/adam-kokesh-raided-by-storm-trooper-cops/


Kokesh’s supporters are urging people call the US Parks Police non-emergency number at (202) 619 7105 to demand Adam’s release “and that charges be placed on the individuals that committed a B&E, vandalism, destruction of property, theft, and kidnapped Adam at our home.”

ROFL First, Kokesh makes the video with the explicit threat of armed rebellion and now his supporters suddenly want their superfluous "rights" restored? Really? Don't they know that we are basically under occupation? I needed some levity to start off my day and I certainly got it.

[Warlord]

Why I thought you knew he was one of them.....change of heart?

Not sure... never 100% about these things.

[JK/SEA]

Adam is right in terms of principle, but in my humble opinion his stategy and tactics are severely lacking.


BTW Did anyone else laugh out loud when reading this?

http://www.infowars.com/adam-kokesh-raided-by-storm-trooper-cops/


ROFL First, Kokesh makes the video with the explicit threat of armed rebellion and now his supporters suddenly want their superfluous "rights" restored? Really? Don't they know that we are basically under occupation? I needed some levity to start off my day and I certainly got it.


i'm glad you're amused.

I'll bet you'd laugh your a$$ off if Ron Paul himself got blacked bagged wouldn't ya?..eh?

effin drool donkey day today in RPF. Fuck all you Kokesh bashers. Gutless POS. All keyboard warriors and zero balls.

[JK/SEA]

Not sure... never 100% about these things.

i'm sure. Whats your problem oh great and powerful warlord?

[QuickZ06]

Not sure... never 100% about these things.

Why you gotta neg rep me, I have gave you plenty of +rep throughout the past. That is just not cool. So how about you cut me some slack and don't be such a cry baby because you put your foot in your mouth and it now backfired on you.

[AuH20]

i'm glad you're amused.

I'll bet you'd laugh your a$$ off if Ron Paul himself got blacked bagged wouldn't ya?..eh?

effin drool donkey day today in RPF. Fuck all you Kokesh bashers. Gutless POS. All keyboard warriors and zero balls.

Start using your head and stop reacting emotionally. This has nothing do with illogical machisimo. Discretion is the better part of valor in some instances. Being locked up in a 7x7 cell does no one any good. There are many patriots on this site critical of Adam Kokesh willing to take the great dirt nap if the return is satisfactory. There is nothing satisfactory about fighting them when they essentially dictate the terms of engagement. Street activism and other stunts like this are pure theater, nothing more. I'm reminded of a few telling verse lines from the song Architecture of Aggression:


Born from the dark
In the black cloak of night
To envelop it's prey below
Deliver to the light

To eliminate your enemy
Hit then in their sleep
And when all is won and lost
The spoils of war are yours to keep

Ruminate on those words and calm down.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

local news always has the best coverage:
video at link. (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/u-s-park-police-serving-seach-warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html)


Adam Kokesh, the prominent libertarian activist and Internet show host, was due to appear in a Fairfax County courtroom Wednesday morning on drug and gun charges.

However, a court official says that Kokesh refused to appear before a judge, so authorities are trying to determine what their next step is. He may be arraigned in his cell or forced to appear in a courtroom on another date.

Kokesh's arrest came less than a week after he purportedly loaded and cocked a shotgun in Freedom Plaza. The July 4 incident was filmed and posted to YouTube.

Regardless of what happens Wednesday, Kokesh has an Oct. 2 preliminary hearing in a Fairfax County court.

The 31-year-old Iraq war veteran had his Herndon home searched by U.S. Park Police and Herndon Police officials on Tuesday night. He was then arrested on charges of drug possession and drug while possessing firearms.

He's being held at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.

Kokesh posted a video to YouTube last Thursday, in which he appears to load and cock a shotgun while standing blocks from the White House. The open carry of firearms in the District of Columbia is illegal.

The activist planned, then canceled, an armed, open-carry march on the District of Columbia for Independence Day. The 22-second video clip made several allusions to revolution in the United States.

"We will not be silent, we will not obey...we will not allow our government to destroy our humanity," Kokesh said in the video.

In a statement released early Wednesday morning, Lucas Jewell, Kokesh's manager, says that people inside the Snow Flake Court home were handcuffed while authorities searched the property.

[QuickZ06]

Not sure... never 100% about these things.

And if you are not 100% it might be best to not say anything on the subject matter in this case. But I am all for free speech and this time it just did not work out for ya.

[AuH20]

I wonder if they attempted to video the incident and all materials were confiscated?

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Looks like Adam is going away for a few years. This fucking sucks.

[MelissaCato]

:(

[Warlord]

And if you are not 100% it might be best to not say anything on the subject matter in this case. But I am all for free speech and this time it just did not work out for ya.

I agree. You certainly got me there hence why I wasn't happy. Don't take it too personally. Normal human reaction. Check PM

[AuH20]

Looks like Adam is going away for a few years. This fucking sucks.

which does no one any good. He's book smart but not disciplined.

[Warlord]

Looks like Adam is going away for a few years. This fucking sucks.

It sure does. I never know what to make of the guy but we can all agree this is harsh.

[angelatc]

After hours of determined attempts, the safe was forced open and all items inside were confiscated.

His roommate said they were expecting this. They would have been much better stashing the stuff in a storage unit or in the safe of a friend.

I wonder if they kicked down David Gregory's door when they searched his property and arrested him? Oh wait...

[tod evans]

Looks like Adam is going away for a few years. This fucking sucks.

Do you really think Adam is dumb enough to leave "evidence" just laying around for cops to find?

I don't know him at all but from what I've seen and heard him say he's well aware of police tactics.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Do you really think Adam is dumb enough to leave "evidence" just laying around for cops to find?

I don't know him at all but from what I've seen and heard him say he's well aware of police tactics.

So what the cops planted the drugs? Either way, looks like he's going to jail for a stretch.

Adam has openly used drugs on his YouTube show, so it's not really hard for me to believe he had drugs at his house. If he wasn't expecting a search warrant over that video, it is very likely he did have drugs at his home.

[JK/SEA]

which does no one any good. He's book smart but not disciplined.

Adam is no dummy. Perhaps you need to use your head and think about this. Adam is getting the powers that be, and the rest of the ignorant sheep a lesson in civil protest. I suppose many Kokesh bashers are relegated to just writing harshly worded letters, and phone calls to politicians who don't give a flying fuck about what you or i think, and will use the power of their office to put their boot down on your neck while laughing all the while as they spend your tax money, pass new draconian laws, to shred the Constitution, to work towards that New World Order that we so desperatly need to control people like me.

I don't neg rep people as a rule, but.....those days maybe coming to an end. Too many shills, too many traitors, too many blind sheep. Time to draw that line.

[AuH20]

BTW it's not very hard to identify the interdiction team they sent. All that information is available if given some clues.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

which does no one any good. He's book smart but not disciplined.

You can't really fault the man for living free. But I get what you're saying -- he took on the State so he would be wise to prepare accordingly.

[AuH20]

Adam is no dummy. Perhaps you need to use your head and think about this. Adam is getting the powers that be, and the rest of the ignorant sheep a lesson in civil protest. I suppose many Kokesh bashers are relegated to just writing harshly worded letters, and phone calls to politicians who don't give a flying fuck about what you or i think, and will use the power of their office to put their boot down on your neck while laughing all the while as they spend your tax money, pass new draconian laws, to shred the Constitution, to work towards that New World Order that we so desperatly need to control people like me.

I don't neg rep people as a rule, but.....those days maybe coming to an end. Too many shills, too many traitors, too many blind sheep. Time to draw that line.

I respectfully disagree. Showboat martyrs don't lessen the weight of the chains. The chains need to be cut and removed. I'll leave it at that.

[green73]

Why you gotta neg rep me, I have gave you plenty of +rep throughout the past. That is just not cool. So how about you cut me some slack and don't be such a cry baby because you put your foot in your mouth and it now backfired on you.

What a jerk. Here’s some rep to make up for it.

[presence]

I respectfully disagree. Showboat martyrs don't lessen the weight of the chains. The chains need to be cut and removed. I'll leave it at that.

No... but they do put the chains on display.

[angelatc]

Adam is no dummy. Perhaps you need to use your head and think about this. Adam is getting the powers that be, and the rest of the ignorant sheep a lesson in civil protest. I suppose many Kokesh bashers are relegated to just writing harshly worded letters, and phone calls to politicians who don't give a flying fuck about what you or i think, and will use the power of their office to put their boot down on your neck while laughing all the while as they spend your tax money, pass new draconian laws, to shred the Constitution, to work towards that New World Order that we so desperatly need to control people like me.

I don't neg rep people as a rule, but.....those days maybe coming to an end. Too many shills, too many traitors, too many blind sheep. Time to draw that line.


i agree. we need rebels more than we need principles at this point.

[Todd]

I personally just don't understand much of the hate.

Here's a peaceful activist whose home was flash bang grenaded for the crime of what, supporting the Second Amendment?

It's clear the supposed "crime" he committed is bullshit. I just don't know why it seems many here would revel in his arrest or imprisonment.


What people clearly don't understand is that average "I hate guns" American or those on the fence, doesn't see Adam as a peaceful guy. They see him loading a gun as an act of aggression and intimidation. We know differently, but it's not so difficult if you understand the mindset.

[JK/SEA]

I respectfully disagree. Showboat martyrs don't lessen the weight of the chains. The chains need to be cut and removed. I'll leave it at that.

Sure, you can disagree, but its clear to me, and most Patriots in RPF that you are on the wrong side of this issue.

Whats the definition of a true warrior and Patriot?.....

[AuH20]

Sure, you can disagree, but its clear to me, and most Patriots in RPF that you are on the wrong side of this issue.

Whats the definition of a true warrior and Patriot?.....


"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

George S. Patton

[angelatc]

What people clearly don't understand is that average "I hate guns" American or those on the fence, doesn't see Adam as a peaceful guy. They see him loading a gun as an act of aggression and intimidation. We know differently, but it's not so difficult if you understand the mindset.


And the average peace loving middle class liberal didn't like the factions that were blowing crap up and burning stuff down. Who got the power?

[pcosmar]

Sooner or later,, there is going to have to be a confrontation.

Nothing will change otherwise. Those that think that the Tyranny is going to go away peacefully are deluded.

[AuH20]

Sooner of later,, there is going to have to be a confrontation.

Nothing will change otherwise. Those that think that the Tyranny is going to go away peacefully are deluded.

Prepare accordingly. Tyranny doesn't sleep. Nor does it relent. It needs to be ruthlessly destroyed or it will destroy you & your loved ones.

[JK/SEA]

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

George S. Patton

out of context. Try again.

[AuH20]

out of context. Try again.

Martyrs don't contribute to the effort since they have been "removed." You understand?

[QuickZ06]

I agree. You certainly got me there hence why I wasn't happy. Don't take it too personally. Normal human reaction. Check PM

All good Warlord.

[Thor]

I feel that Adam is not really helping anything at all.


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/07/10/gun-advocate-adam-kokesh-arrested-after-posting-video-loading-shotgun-in-d-c/
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/265733/373/Feds-Searching-Gun-Rights-Activist-Home
http://www.wtop.com/149/3384202/Adam-Kokesh-arrested-in-Herndon
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Police-Serving-Warrant-at-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/us/dc-kokesh-search/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/police-search-home-gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/activist-adam-kokesh-reportedly-arrested-in-herndon/2013/07/10/73dbc8c2-e943-11e2-8f22-de4bd2a2bd39_story.html
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22799261/police-serving-warrant-for-arrest-of-pro-gun-activist-adam-kokesh
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/u-s-park-police-serving-seach-warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh-arrested
http://inthecapital.streetwise.co/2013/07/10/armed-march-on-dc-organizer-adam-kokesh-arrested/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/10/activist-who-loaded-shotgun-in-d-c-arrested-on-gun-and-drugs-charges/
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/265733/188/Feds-Searching-Gun-Rights-Activist-Home

Making people aware of the tyranny all around them is working... If you agree with the method, or disagree, is your right. But to get media coverage is making more people aware.



“All press is good press.”

“There is no such thing as
bad press.”

“Bad press is better than no
press.”

[pcosmar]

Has he been alleged to have committed some crime in Virginia?

Who signed a search warrant for an alleged violation of an out of State city ordinance?

And how can any here even attempt to justify this (regardless of who it is)?

[Deborah K]

Start using your head and stop reacting emotionally. This has nothing do with illogical machisimo. Discretion is the better part of valor in some instances. Being locked up in a 7x7 cell does no one any good. There are many patriots on this site critical of Adam Kokesh willing to take the great dirt nap if the return is satisfactory. There is nothing satisfactory about fighting them when they essentially dictate the terms of engagement. Street activism and other stunts like this are pure theater, nothing more. I'm reminded of a few telling verse lines from the song Architecture of Aggression:


Born from the dark
In the black cloak of night
To envelop it's prey below
Deliver to the light

To eliminate your enemy
Hit then in their sleep
And when all is won and lost
The spoils of war are yours to keep

Ruminate on those words and calm down.

Maybe this will lead to highly publicized lawsuits (Heller).

[AuH20]

Maybe this will lead to highly publicized lawsuits (Heller).

I doubt it. He's likely going to be squashed like a bug by the establishment, while the SPLC is going to have field day with this, especially the drug angle.

[Thor]

Considering all the fake video we have had opportunity to watch, i.e. all of 911, Boston Bombing, Sandy Hook, etc. Maybe it would be fun to get upload multiple fake videos of armed people all over DC.


THIS is an excellent idea. Clip them all together like the Lib celebrities in those awful anti gun videos. One person after another loading up in front of DC landmarks....


Green screen ? Who would want to volunteer for that ?


I have often wondered that if you had a good blue screen and video editing software and did something like he did with the capitol in the background (but were really in your living room) would the Feds raid you? I don't think I am going to try, but it would be an interesting experiment to show how stupid the LE are and how overzealous as well.

It seems like the cops have arrested a lot of people for "online" behavior whether it be a facebook post, youtube video, video game chat etc and nowadays even a 'fake' or 'joke' is going to get you put in the cage

I think this would be great. The MSM spreads lies and propaganda regularly, and have even been caught red handed in their lies.

Why don't we start a counter propaganda machine, showing people breaking laws like loading guns in DC, but it is all phoney. I mean, courts have ruled that the "news" is "entertainment" and does not have an obligation or requirement to tell the truth. So green screen laws being broken everywhere, and see what the reaction is (and video the actual green screen acts for court, when the time comes.

So then the question will become, will they prosecute you for portraying the breaking of a law? If so, Hollywood will be shut down.

Fun!

[tod evans]

I think this would be great. The MSM spreads lies and propaganda regularly, and have even been caught red handed in their lies.

Why don't we start a counter propaganda machine, showing people breaking laws like loading guns in DC, but it is all phoney. I mean, courts have ruled that the "news" is "entertainment" and does not have an obligation or requirement to tell the truth. So green screen laws being broken everywhere, and see what the reaction is (and video the actual green screen acts for court, when the time comes.

So then the question will become, will they prosecute you for portraying the breaking of a law? If so, Hollywood will be shut down.

Fun!

There's law on the books that could easily be twisted to apply..

[AuH20]

Has he been alleged to have committed some crime in Virginia?

Who signed a search warrant for an alleged violation of an out of State city ordinance?

And how can any here even attempt to justify this (regardless of who it is)?

I don't think anyone is justifying it per se. It's more akin to watching a man jump into the manmade Siberian Tiger exhibit at your local zoo with shell steaks taped to his back. Their response was highly predictable. We all know that this is a predatory, ruthless criminal enterprise that thrives on force multipliers and intimidation. Nothing new was gleaned from this.

[JK/SEA]

Martyrs don't contribute to the effort since they have been "removed." You understand?


'removed'?...

Yeah, MLK was removed as well. How did that work out?

[AuH20]

'removed'?...

Yeah, MLK was removed as well. How did that work out?

African-Americans transitioned to another form of slavery. Very little changed.

[Thor]

There's law on the books that could easily be twisted to apply..

Which law, and how? If the MSM can do it daily, and if Hollywood can do it....

[pcosmar]

Nothing new was gleaned from this.

Oh.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUC0LCi1VRk

Ok .

[JK/SEA]

African-Americans transitioned to another form of slavery. Very little changed.

So martyrs don't contribute anything...mmmkay...

[AuH20]

Oh.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUC0LCi1VRk

Ok .

Adam cowered on the floor while pleading for bathroom privileges. Not exactly William Wallace worthy. The question that needs to be asked? Did he think this through or does he secretly enjoy prison life?

[tod evans]

Which law, and how? If the MSM can do it daily, and if Hollywood can do it....

One specifically comes to mind, If you or I were to represent "fake" drugs to an undercover agent our sentence would be determined as if the fake drugs were real.

[angelatc]

Adam cowered on the floor while asking for bathroom privileges. Not exactly William Wallace worthy. The question that needs to be asked? Did he think this through or does he secretly enjoy prison life?


cowered on the floor? you don't know adam.

i think you're trolling now.

[AuH20]

cowered on the floor? you don't know adam.

i think you're trolling now.

Not trolling. Calling it for what it is as objectionable as it sounds.

[angelatc]

Not trolling. Calling it for what it is as objectionable as it sounds.


He was handcuffed and seated where they told him to sit.

You're trolling.

[AuH20]

He was handcuffed and seated where they told him to sit.

You're trolling.

And he proceeded to cry about not being able to use the toilet and then they kicked him. What did he think was going to happen when he made the video? A stretch limo was going to pick him up?

[Reason]

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If you are interested in participating in a "call flood" call 202 619 7105 (The phone number Herndon Police gave us) and demand the release of Adam Kokesh and that charges be placed on the individuals that committed a B&E, vandalizism, distruction of property, theft, and kidnapped Adam at our home. Thank you and as always I will be keeping everyone up to date on info and releasing an official statement soon. All posts on this page will be from me. - Lucas

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

AVTM Official Press Release
RE: Raid on ADAM VS THE MAN Studios 10JUL13

(HERNDON, VA 10 JULY 2013)--- On the evening of Tuesday, 09JUL13, at approximately 7:45 PM, a combination of US Parks Police (an arm of the DHS) raided Adam Kokesh's residence. Local Herndon police assisted in the armed invasion. The officers used a battering ram to knock in the door after two knocks, and did not announce that they had a warrant. Immediately after breaking down the door, a flash bang grenade was deployed in the foyer.

Numerous police vehicles, including a light armored vehicle and two low-flying helicopters barricaded Adam's street. More than 20 armored SWAT team members surrounded the house, as well as a number of detectives, and plainclothes officers. Assault rifles were aimed on all members of the team as they were handcuffed without being told why they were detained. Masked and armored police in full “Storm Trooper” gear flooded in and ransacked the residence. The team was cordoned in a front room, while Adam was pulled aside for questioning.

Over the course of the next five hours, the police searched every corner of the house with canine units and blueprints to the house obtained prior to the search. All officers refused to speak to the crew while they we being detained. They confiscated cell phones and personal items with force. Throughout the ordeal, the police repeatedly showed a volatile desire to initiate aggressive, forceful conduct with detainees. At one point, Adam politely requested to use the restroom and was kicked by the officer forcing him to sit handcuffed on the floor. After hours of determined attempts, the safe was forced open and all items inside were confiscated. Adam was arrested and his crew were told he was being brought to the Herndon Police department overnight. Well after midnight, police officers cleared the house.

Fairfax County Adult Detention Center has stated that it has Adam in custody.

The ADAM VS THE MAN Team will be continuing production on the podcast and the Youtube channel as long as Adam remains imprisoned for an act of civil disobedience. We will continue to spread the message of liberty, self ownership, and the non-aggression principle regardless of the government's relentless attacks on our operation. We will continue to combat its desperate attempts to crush a worldwide, revolutionary shift in the people's understanding of the state's illegitimacy—after all, good ideas don't require force.

Media Contact: Lucas Jewell – lucas@adamvstheman.com

[Thor]

One specifically comes to mind, If you or I were to represent "fake" drugs to an undercover agent our sentence would be determined as if the fake drugs were real.

But that is interacting and "fooling" an agent of the government, in person.

Green screening something you put on YouTube is not interacting in person with an agent of the government.

And Hollywood has drugs in their movies all the time.

[pcosmar]

One specifically comes to mind, If you or I were to represent "fake" drugs to an undercover agent our sentence would be determined as if the fake drugs were real.

Attempted sales of Imitation Controlled Substance

I know of a man convicted , for over 1600 years for such. (I typed up his records)

[tod evans]

But that is interacting and "fooling" an agent of the government, in person.

Green screening something you put on YouTube is not interacting in person with an agent of the government.

And Hollywood has drugs in their movies all the time.

Well go ahead I don't have the resources to fight an indictment just to poke sticks..

I know what these evil bastards are capable of, I won't tease them.

[tod evans]

Attempted sales of Imitation Controlled Substance

I know of a man convicted , for over 1600 years for such. (I typed up his records)

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

Somebody help me out please:o

[Deborah K]

And he proceeded to cry about not being able to use the toilet and then they kicked him. What did he think was going to happen? A stretch limo was going to pick him up?


You're not "personally conflicted" about anything. :rolleyes:


Who else is personally conflicted by Adam Kokesh? I honestly don't know if he's friend or foe.

[Brian4Liberty]

The blatant and utter abuse of power and resources in this case is appalling. This was a excessive show of force, to enforce a political agenda, and to intimidate and punish political activism. This is such a violation of the spirit, intent and letter of the law that it is mind-boggling.

[AuH20]

You're not "personally conflicted" about anything. :rolleyes:

You're not really creating a false paradigm of "You're either with us or against us?" Let's be serious here. I agree with a majority of what Kokesh has stated in the past, but this is largely a "Dog bites man" story. Openly threaten the order of authoritarians in the heart of empire and we're suddenly surprised by their reaction? And then have some supporters asking for a redress of grievances when Adam started the ball rolling? Not many have read Sun Tzu I take it.

[angelatc]

Sorry if i missed this earlier in the thread, but it appears Adam has been charged with posession of 'shrooms. http://cavnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/adam-kokesh-charged-with-possessing-hallucinogenic-mushrooms/

[Deborah K]

You're not really creating a false paradigm of "You're either with us or against us?" Let's be serious here. I agree with a majority of what Kokesh has stated in the past, but this is largely a "Dog bites man" story. Openly threaten the order of authoritarians in the heart of empire and we're suddenly surprised by their reaction? And then have some supporters asking for a redress of grievances when Adam started the ball rolling? Not many have read Sun Tzu I take it.

I'm not creating anything. I'm calling a spade a spade. You can have your opinion about Adam's methods until the cows come home, but don't pretend you're conflicted when clearly you're not.

[angelatc]

You're not really creating a false paradigm of "You're either with us or against us?" Let's be serious here. I agree with a majority of what Kokesh has stated in the past, but this is largely a "Dog bites man" story. Openly threaten the order of authoritarians in the heart of empire and we're suddenly surprised by their reaction? And then have some supporters asking for a redress of grievances when Adam started the ball rolling? Not many have read Sun Tzu I take it.


look, you and i get along. so take this in the spirit that it's intended. we get it - you don't agree with civil disobedience. we do, so that's just that. there's no point in arguing about who is right and wrong - history will be the judge.

you're not going to change anybody's mind, and neither are we. only time will do that.

but hanging out in this thread, ragging on him and his tactic doesn't help accomplish anything.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Adam Kokesh has said he made the video in an act of civil disobedience.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/10/adam-kokesh-libertarian-gun-rights-virginia-shotgun/2504911/

Gun rights activist Adam Kokesh, who was shown in a video illegally loading a shotgun in downtown Washington on July 4th in a self-described act of civil disobedience, has been arrested at his Virginia home on state drug and weapons charges.

U.S. Park Police spokeswoman Lt. Pamela Smith said the former Marine was served with a warrant and arrested at his home in Herndon, Va., on Tuesday night.

Kokesh, who has mounted high-profile protests in the past, initially announced his arrest on his website.

"We were expecting this. We were expecting the government to raid our house," Darrell Young, Kokesh's roommate, tells WRC-TV.

The Washington Post, citing charging documents, reports that officers took Kokesh into custody for alleged possession of hallucinogenic mushrooms while also having a gun, which carries a minimum sentence of two years in prison.

WRC also said Kokesh had refused to leave his cell Wednesday morning for his arraignment.

U.S. Park Police Lt. Pamela Smith tells USA TODAY that the agency executed a search warrant at Kokesh's home and arrested him on state weapons and drug charges.

Smith declined to discuss the specifics of the federal warrant. Officials at the U.S. Park Police, which oversees Freedom Plaza in Washington where the video was made last week, said earlier that they were investigating the video incident.

Lt. Jim Moore of the Herndon, Va., police confirmed Kokesh's arrest to USA TODAY but said it was a federal operation and that his officers were only there to "hold the perimeter" and keep the street blocked.

He confirmed that Kokesh was arrested on federal charges related to narcotics possession and weapons violations linked to the video.

In its account of the arrest, Kokesh's website statement claims that officers did not announce they had a warrant, used a battering ram to knock down his door and employed a flash bang grenade in the foyer of his house.

The website also claims that numerous police vehicle, including a light-armored vehicle and two helicopters, were used to block the streets while 20 armored SWAT team members surrounded his house.

"At one point, Adam politely requested to use the restroom and was kicked by the officer forcing him to sit handcuffed on the floor," the statement said.

Moore said he had no details on the circumstances of Kokesh's arrest because his officers were not directly involved in taking him into custody. Kokesh was being held at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.

In the video, entitled "Open Carry March on DC A Success," which was posted on YouTube, Kokesh speaks directly into the camera while loading the weapon.

"We will not obey, we will not allow our government to destroy our humanity," he says."We are the final American revolution. See you next Independence Day.""

Kokesh told NBC4 News on Monday that he had indeed loaded the weapon with live ammo in the morning of July 4th in downtown Washington.

He said it did not make sense that he could have a gun on one side of the Potomac river, in Virginia, and not the other.

"I was ready to stand by my word, and I was ready to commit the civil disobedience that I had committed to," he said.

Kokesh had planned to lead a group of activists armed with weapons across the bridge from Virginia into Washington on July 4 but canceled the event, urging supporters instead to demonstrate at the state capitols.

-t

[AuH20]

I'm not creating anything. I'm calling a spade a spade. You can have your opinion about Adam's methods until the cows come home, but don't pretend you're conflicted when clearly you're not.

Conflicted about his MOTIVES. The projected payoff doesn't pass the logic test.

[AuH20]

look, you and i get along. so take this in the spirit that it's intended. we get it - you don't agree with civil disobedience. we do, so that's just that. there's no point in arguing about who is right and wrong - history will be the judge.

you're not going to change anybody's mind, and neither are we. only time will do that.

but hanging out in this thread, ragging on him and his tactic doesn't help accomplish anything.

I'll stop ragging on him. I thought he had vast potential at one time.

[pcosmar]

Sorry if i missed this earlier in the thread, but it appears Adam has been charged with posession of 'shrooms. http://cavnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/adam-kokesh-charged-with-possessing-hallucinogenic-mushrooms/

I am expecting that even a novice halfwit lawyer could rip this to shreds in short order.

Will watch as it plays out.

[Dr.3D]

Sorry if i missed this earlier in the thread, but it appears Adam has been charged with posession of 'shrooms. http://cavnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/adam-kokesh-charged-with-possessing-hallucinogenic-mushrooms/

And having a gun at the same time. I guess the penalty is supposed to be worse if you have a weapon?

[tod evans]

And having a gun at the same time. I guess the penalty is supposed to be worse if you have a weapon?

Federal statute 924c applies for "using and/or carrying a firearm in the commission of a drug crime"....And believe me the interpretation of the statute is very loose depending on the prosecutor!

Anyway if convicted of 924c the mandatory minimum for a 1st offense is 60 months.

[Deborah K]

Conflicted about his MOTIVES. The projected payoff doesn't pass the logic test.

Your shit-slinging personal opinions would prove otherwise.

I've known Adam since he first contacted me to speak at RevMarch when he found out I was looking for a vet to speak out against the war. No one had ever heard of him before then. He is a complicated individual who marches to his own beat. I cringe at some of the things he says and does, but I respect his right to be who he is. I know a lot of people hate him, and he brought most of it on himself because he doesn't feel the need to justify his beliefs, actions, or "motives". You don't have to like him, I care not one way or the other. But don't pretend you're "conflicted" and then accuse him of cowardice.

[Brian4Liberty]

I am expecting that even a novice halfwit lawyer could rip this to shreds in short order.

Will watch as it plays out.

Hopefully there are expert Constitutional lawyers out there who want to take this to the Supreme Court. Is there a lawyer out there who would take this pro-bono? NRA or any other guns rights organization willing to help?

[pcosmar]

I can't help but wonder,,

He knew they were coming,, and was expecting it.

Is it possible he set them up and the substance is nothing but an inert substitute,,meant to be found?
just random thoughts (and giggles)

But I suppose that with such an operation,, they would not take a chance on there being no drugs present,, and may provide their own "crime scene enhancement".

[tod evans]

Hopefully there are expert Constitutional lawyers out there who want to take this to the Supreme Court. Is there a lawyer out there who would take this pro-bono? NRA or any other guns rights organization willing to help?

If "the court" granted certiorari it would take years..........Big "if".

[angelatc]

And having a gun at the same time. I guess the penalty is supposed to be worse if you have a weapon?

Oh you are probably right. We all knew he had guns, so I wondered why they mentioned that. Now it makes sense.

[angelatc]

Your shit-slinging personal opinions would prove otherwise.

I've known Adam since he first contacted me to speak at RevMarch when he found out I was looking for a vet to speak out against the war. No one had ever heard of him before then. He is a complicated individual who marches to his own beat. I cringe at some of the things he says and does, but I respect his right to be who he is. I know a lot of people hate him, and he brought most of it on himself because he doesn't feel the need to justify his beliefs, actions, or "motives". You don't have to like him, I care not one way or the other. But don't pretend you're "conflicted" and then accuse him of cowardice.

yes, exactly.

[Deborah K]

QFT


James Oliver Deckard: First they came for Adam Kokesh, and I didn't do anything because he was Adam Kokesh...

post from fascist book

[AuH20]

Your shit-slinging personal opinions would prove otherwise.

I've known Adam since he first contacted me to speak at RevMarch when he found out I was looking for a vet to speak out against the war. No one had ever heard of him before then. He is a complicated individual who marches to his own beat. I cringe at some of the things he says and does, but I respect his right to be who he is. I know a lot of people hate him, and he brought most of it on himself because he doesn't feel the need to justify his beliefs, actions, or "motives". You don't have to like him, I care not one way or the other. But don't pretend you're "conflicted" and then accuse him of cowardice.

I'm trying to put myself in his shoes and understand what he's trying to do. I have arrived at 4 possible scenarioes:

(1) He's mentally unstable and is spontaneously playing this out, since he's already "checked out" so to speak & wants to martyr himself. Hence the lack of any plan or preparations.
(2) In lieu of the Edward Snowden shockwaves, Adam wants to catapult himself to John Connor status as leader of the resistance, which would account for all the high profile stunts. He's always had a pretty big ego.
(3) He's fighting the best he can & the only way he knows how, albeit in a flawed manner
(4) he's a paid provacateur attempting to initiate a conflict at the government's time and choosing.

[pcosmar]

I have arrived at 4 possible scenarioes:


All based on your own negative views.

[Czolgosz]

I'm trying to put myself in his shoes and understand what he's trying to do. I have arrived at 4 possible scenarioes:

(1) He's mentally unstable and is spontaneously playing this out since he's mentally already thrown in the towel and wants to marty himself. Hence the lack of any plan or preparations.
(2) In lieu of the Edward Snowden shockwaves, Adam wants to catapult himself to John Connor status as leader of the resistance. He's always had a pretty big ego.
(3) He's fighting the best he can & the only way he knows how, albeit in a flawed manner
(4) he's a paid provacateur attempting to initiate a conflict at the government's time and choosing.


Probably not #4, but the other 3 seem quite viable.

Calling off the armed marched really dampened my impression of him. I thought he was the guy, but now I'm suspect.

[presence]

I'm trying to put myself in his shoes and understand what he's trying to do. I have arrived at 4 possible scenarioes:

(1) He's mentally unstable and is spontaneously playing this out since he's mentally already thrown in the towel and wants to marty himself. Hence the lack of any plan or preparations.
(2) In lieu of the Edward Snowden shockwaves, Adam wants to catapult himself to John Connor status as leader of the resistance. He's always had a pretty big ego.
(3) He's fighting the best he can & the only way he knows how, albeit in a flawed manner
(4) he's a paid provacateur attempting to initiate a conflict at the government's time and choosing.

(5) He's having a coming to Jesus moment w/ magic mushrooms
(6) He's angry and not going to take it any more
(7) Liberty Jihad

[Deborah K]

I'm trying to put myself in his shoes and understand what he's trying to do. I have arrived at 4 possible scenarioes:

(1) He's mentally unstable and is spontaneously playing this out since he's mentally already thrown in the towel and wants to marty himself. Hence the lack of any plan or preparations.
(2) In lieu of the Edward Snowden shockwaves, Adam wants to catapult himself to John Connor status as leader of the resistance. He's always had a pretty big ego.
(3) He's fighting the best he can & the only way he knows how, albeit in a flawed manner
(4) he's a paid provacateur attempting to initiate a conflict at the government's time and choosing.

How can he be a paid provocateur, etc. and a coward who shrivels up on the floor? Does not compute. If he's paid, why would he be afraid?

[better-dead-than-fed]

Calling off the armed marched really dampened my impression of him. I thought he was the guy, but now I'm suspect.

I do not understand. He did not stop anyone from open-carrying in D.C. on July 4.

[Occam's Banana]

It's all his stunts as an entire portfolio. The Jefferson Memorial garbage, the alleged pot smoking in front of the White House fence. Why all the spectacle? Charles Dyer was fighting the beast in his own way and without all the fanfare. Needless to say the Feds made an example of him.

I have never heard of Charles Dyer. Hence, I have not been inspired or motivated by him (assuming I should or would be - as noted, I have no idea who he is or whether he is worthy of my admiration).

However, I have heard of (and am inspired and motivated by) Adam Kokesh. THAT is "why all the spectacle" ...


which does no one any good. He's book smart but not disciplined.

By all means, please provide for us evidence of your superior acumen in "disciplined" socio-political activism.

I eagerly await the edification your example shall provide ... (N.B.: posting on Internet forums does not count)


Martyrs don't contribute to the effort since they have been "removed." You understand?

:rolleyes: It is you who appears not to understand. Even granting that Kokesh has "martyred" himself (an assessment I am not yet prepared to make) ...

Martyrs contribute to "the effort" (whatever it might be) precisely because they have been "removed" - thereby inspiring others to action.

That is, after all, the defining characteristic of martyrs & martyrdom.


[Adam Kokesh] strikes me as more of an anarchist.

I suspect he "strikes" you that way because he actually IS an anarchist.

[AuH20]

How can he be a paid provocateur, etc. and a coward who shrivels up on the floor? Does not compute. If he's paid, why would he be afraid?

Generate sympathy and empathy in the face of the great power?

[Occam's Banana]

Hopefully there are expert Constitutional lawyers out there who want to take this to the Supreme Court. Is there a lawyer out there who would take this pro-bono? NRA or any other guns rights organization willing to help?

The NRA would not touch Adam with a ten-foot pole. They haven't got sufficient spine, guts or principles ...

[Deborah K]

The NRA would not touch Adam with a ten-foot pole. They haven't got sufficient spine, guts or principles ...


If memory serves, Heller reached out to them as well. They did nothing.

[smithtg]

alex is interviewing adam's people right now infowars.com/listen

[Brian4Liberty]

I see this as a Constitutional test case on the 2nd Amendment. The Police brought in the drug charges to muddy the waters. Hopefully those charges can be separated.

[AuH20]

Does anyone think I would be criticizing Adam Kokesh if he boobytrapped his home and rid himself of these unwelcome transgressors? I'd be writing songs about the man.

[Brian4Liberty]

The NRA would not touch Adam with a ten-foot pole. They haven't got sufficient spine, guts or principles ...

Probably not. Who does?

[Deborah K]

Generate sympathy and empathy in the face of the great power?

The same "great power" who is supposedly paying him to be a provocateur??? What would be the point?

[CPUd]

The NRA would not touch Adam with a ten-foot pole. They haven't got sufficient spine, guts or principles ...

Particularly since he recently cut up his card on video.

[AuH20]

The same "great power" who is supposedly paying him to be a provocateur??? What would be the point?

The average human reaction is too cower and play the role when the stormtroopers come. He would be selling the effect of a violent breakin.

[Deborah K]

Does anyone think I would be criticizing Adam Kokesh if he boobytrapped his home and rid himself of these unwelcome transgressors? I'd be writing songs about the man.

My issue is not with your criticism, some of it is thought provoking.

[Czolgosz]

I do not understand. He did not stop anyone from open-carrying in D.C. on July 4.

Perhaps I'm missing some details. Did he, or did he not, back away from a march that he called for?

[AuH20]

Perhaps I'm missing some details. Did he, or did he not, back away from a march that he called for?

Nobody knows the exact details.

[Deborah K]

The average human reaction is too cower and play the role when stormtroopers come. He would be selling the effect of a violent breakin.

Selling it to whom? You stated before he'd be selling it to the very "power" he's working for. And I still don't see the point of "selling the effect of a violent break-in" to tptb who are supposedly paying him to be a provocateur.

[Occam's Banana]

Does anyone think I would be criticizing Adam Kokesh if he boobytrapped his home and rid himself of these unwelcome transgressors? I'd be writing songs about the man.

I thought you had no use for "martyrs" ... :confused:

[AuH20]

I thought you had no use for "martyrs" ... :confused:

Not in blatant self-defense situations like these. Battering ram. Drawn rifles. Flash-bang grenades. Who would shed a tear for any of them? Seriously. Kokesh pumped a shotgun in a square and they send a specialized SWAT Team?

[angelatc]

Does anyone think I would be criticizing Adam Kokesh if he boobytrapped his home and rid himself of these unwelcome transgressors? I'd be writing songs about the man.


But Adam will never be the guy drawing first blood, and that's a good thing.

[Brian4Liberty]

Does anyone think I would be criticizing Adam Kokesh if he boobytrapped his home and rid himself of these unwelcome transgressors? I'd be writing songs about the man.

WTF?! I'll be criticizing anyone doing that!

[pcosmar]

I have never heard of Charles Dyer. Hence, I have not been inspired or motivated by him (assuming I should or would be - as noted, I have no idea who he is or whether he is worthy of my admiration).




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zvAC-cSdFo


He wore the mask originally because he was still active duty,, to protect his identity.

He has several inspirational videos.

[AuH20]

WTF?! I'll be criticizing anyone doing that!

They broke into his PROPERTY locked and loaded with the INTENT TO KILL if necessary. There is no innocence when you come to apprehend the man for some mock trial and possibly kill him and the other occupants. Eff them! Let's take the Praetorian Guard worship out of the equation. Play with fire and you get burnt. In this country, you can't send a goon squad to destroy someone for exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

[Czolgosz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zvAC-cSdFo


He wore the mask originally because he was still active duty,, to protect his identity.

He has several inspirational videos.



^ one of the few who I believe will answer the call.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Openly threaten the order of authoritarians... And then have some supporters asking for a redress of grievances when Adam started the ball rolling?

Blaming the victim for exercising his constitutional rights, and further blaming supporters asking for a redress of grievances.


Not many have read Sun Tzu I take it.

Which section of "Sun Tzu" do you mean?

[AuH20]

^ one of the few who I believe will answer the call.

If he is ever released from prison sadly.

[tod evans]

I see this as a Constitutional test case on the 2nd Amendment. The Police brought in the drug charges to muddy the waters. Hopefully those charges can be separated.

Police work for prosecutors, the prosecutor in this case wanted drugs and guns in the same indictment....The likelihood of them being "separated" is slim to none.

I'd bet a cyber nickel that the indictment was written before the warrant was signed, but there's no way to prove that....

[better-dead-than-fed]

WTF?! I'll be criticizing anyone doing that!

why

[better-dead-than-fed]

Perhaps I'm missing some details. Did he, or did he not, back away from a march that he called for?

I do not know the details about his calling off the march; I did not keep up with the thread here about that. But here he is,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sAGGoPidEY&feature=youtu.be

doing it on his own, taking all the risk on himself. Taking on heightened risk, because he was not accompanied by thousands of others to diffuse the government's aggression. He did not stop anyone from joining him, as far as I know.

[Occam's Banana]

Not in blatant self-defense situations like these.

You have made little sense in this thread. Now you are making none at all.

You just told us that you would "be writing songs about the man" if the had aggressively resisted the stormtroopers (and likely getting himself aerated into a bloody red mist in the process). Yet you profess to have no use for martyrs "in blatant self-defense situations like these") ...

[AuH20]

why

I don't think he wants to be sued. In all sincerity, I apologize for being so frank and drawing too much attention for my comments. But I'm really tired of the doublespeak. SWAT teams can't just run roughshod over citizens with lethal force and not consider this a gross violation of our former compact.

[Occam's Banana]

SWAT teams can't just run roughshod over citizens with lethal force and not consider this a gross violation of our former compact.

They can and they do.

Bitching because someone (Adam Kokesh, in this instance) acknowledges this unfortunate fact of reality and seeks to engage in principled, high-profile civil disobedience (rather then getting himself uselessly "martyred" in a hail of bullets) is just ridiculous ...

[AuH20]

You have made little sense in this thread. Now you are making none at all.

You just told us that you would "be writing songs about the man" if the had aggressively resisted the stormtroopers (and likely getting himself aerated into a bloody red mist in the process). Yet you profess to have no use for martyrs "in blatant self-defense situations like these") ...

I can't really explain myself as much as I'd like in this public forum. Let's just say that the ratio would have to be ideal.

[pcosmar]

SWAT teams can't just run roughshod over citizens with lethal force and not consider this a gross violation of our former compact.

They consider it doing their job.
Just following orders.

The same way cops violate rights as everyday routine.

[Todd]

Sorry if i missed this earlier in the thread, but it appears Adam has been charged with posession of 'shrooms. http://cavnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/adam-kokesh-charged-with-possessing-hallucinogenic-mushrooms/

Hmm... So was that listed on the search warrant as what they were looking for?

[AuH20]

They consider it doing their job.
Just following orders.

The same way cops violate rights as everyday routine.

No SWAT teams for Jon Corzine for Grand Larceny squared by 2000. No SWAT teams for David Gregory. No SWAT Teams for Eric Holder. Is anyone starting to put 2+2 together?

[pcosmar]

Hmm... So was that listed on the search warrant as what they were looking for?

Most likely just the generic "drugs".

My point of curiosity is that "Park Police" from an out of state city,, got a warrant and served it.

This seems a violation of State Sovereignty.

[tod evans]

No SWAT teams for Jon Corzine for Grand Larceny squared by 2000. No SWAT teams for David Gregory. No SWAT Teams for Eric Holder. Is anyone starting to put 2+2 together?

"Just-Us"....:o

[Dr.3D]

Most likely just the generic "drugs".

My point of curiosity is that "Park Police" from an out of state city,, got a warrant and served it.

This seems a violation of State Sovereignty.
I don't know why, but every time I hear or see the words, "Park Police" I think of the "Church Police" in Monty Python.

[AuH20]

"Just-Us"....:o

They broke the social contract. It no longer has any legitimacy.

[Occam's Banana]

No SWAT teams for Jon Corzine for Grand Larceny squared by 2000. No SWAT teams for David Gregory. No SWAT Teams for Eric Holder. Is anyone starting to put 2+2 together?

Leviathan's enforcers serve the interests of the elites & their lackeys? No new news here.

But I fail to understand how deliberately setting oneself up to be murdered by the State's brute squad can be considered a productive form of resistance or activism ...

[tod evans]

They broke the social contract. It no longer has any legitimacy.

I was never party to any "social contract"....

The closest I came was swearing to defend the constitution in the 70's while in boot camp...

I couldn't stomach being one of "them" back then and I just worked in the ER...

[presence]

But I fail to understand how deliberately setting oneself up to be murdered by the State's brute squad can be considered a productive form of resistance or activism ...

Which is where I say Adam is all win.

Blatantly illegal but patently lawful.

[AuH20]

I was never party to any "social contract"....

The closest I came was swearing to defend the constitution in the 70's while in boot camp...

I couldn't stomach being one of "them" back then and I just worked in the ER...

But the entire citizen/government relationship model was built upon the concept of the social contract or at least it was many many many moons ago. There is no contract any longer. It's basically a rape sentence. I withdraw my consent due to gross violations of the contract.

[tod evans]

But the entire citizen/government relationship was built upon the concept of the social contract or at least it was many many many moons ago. There is no contract any longer. It's basically a rape sentence. I withdraw my consent due to gross violations of the contract.

Bend over and like it or it'll get worse...:o

[AuH20]

The bill of rights was the closest semblance to a contract and it's been perverted and outright nullified by sociopaths. Every amendment has been practically destroyed. I think many citizens are reasonable and don't expect ridiculous expressions of freedom which Robert Bork outlined, but the line has been crossed by MILES.

So why should anyone in their right mind kow-tow to these kevlar garbed brutes when they come for their pound of flesh? Sorry, bub but the contract has been annulled by your superiors. In other words, you're now an armed intruder in my house and I am within my inalienable rights to put you down like a rabid dog.

[Dr.3D]

Bend over and like it or it'll get worse...:o

Ehhh, isn't that 'Lean Forward' and like it or it'll get worse....?

[mczerone]

Well, this thread kept me somewhat up to date on Kokesh, and expanded my ignore list a little. Thanks guys.

And I also realized that I might be un-ignoring some hot-headed, sheltered, bigots just so that I can neg-rep them more. Why are so many of the people that are outspokenly racist, violent, or otherwise close-minded getting so many plus-reps?

[paulbot24]

Ehhh, isn't that 'Lean Forward' and like it or it'll get worse....?

I heard the trick was to lead the sheep to the edge of the cliff so the sheep has no choice but to push back while its being %#$@*&.

[tmg19103]

I have my opinion of Kokesh, but guess what - it's not important.

RP has always endorsed non-violent civil disobedience. RP supports those who choose not to pay taxes at risk of imprisonment.

As long as someone is not harming the equal rights of others, it is not my place to judge. I respect anyone standing up for the Constitution while risking - and most likely for Kokesh - losing their freedom to unjust and unconstitutional laws.

Unfortunately, this will not amount to a success for the freedom movement - as one poster indicated that the establishment will squash Kokesh like a bug, and the military assault on his home was meant to send a message to others not to stand up to unconstitutional laws.

Still, I have to respect his principles. Kokesh puts his freedom where his mouth is. Some may not agree with everything he says or does, but I have to respect non-violent civil disobedience against unconstitutional laws where you will probably end up in prison for years standing up not only for your principles, but those those country was founded on. The founders would be doing 360's in their graves if they knew holding a loaded shotgun in D.C. would get you years in prison.

Some may also say the time for violent rebellion is near since what Kokesh has done won't accomplish anything, but there are too many sheeple in this country. Will never happen.

I admit I don't have the courage of conviction to do what Kokesh did, though I fight the fight in my own way.

[MelissaCato]

Nice post tmg19103.

[Brian4Liberty]

why


I don't think he wants to be sued.

Lol. Getting sued is never good.


Leviathan's enforcers serve the interests of the elites & their lackeys? No new news here.

But I fail to understand how deliberately setting oneself up to be murdered by the State's brute squad can be considered a productive form of resistance or activism ...

Productive, that's a key concern. That wouldn't be productive, would it?

If Adam did things that resulted in injury or deaths of people, including himself, it would have been a worse outcome than what really happened (and illegal and immoral). No one was killed. No one was injured. In reality, Adam had as much reason to fear the Police as the Police had to fear him. Those levels of fear should be at a minimum level for both sides. The police over-reacted, abused their authority, and wasted taxpayer money and resources, there's no doubt about that. A single officer with a search warrant and no gun would have been perfectly safe going to the house. They knew exactly who Adam was, and that this was a non-violent political protest.

Non-violent protest can be productive. Violent protest brings about the exact opposite of the supposedly desired results. It turns the masses against your cause. It gives politicians reason to pass more laws. It gives bigger budgets to power-drunk bureaucrats and officials. It justifies their escalation of force. Nothing good comes from it.

[WM_in_MO]

The fuck RFP, the fuck.

-rep this whole debacle

[kcchiefs6465]

//

[angelatc]

Perhaps I'm missing some details. Did he, or did he not, back away from a march that he called for?


I didn't pay that much attention but iirc he said it had to get 10,000 facebook commitments, because that would give them about 1,000 actual attendees and they didn't get that number.

[Czolgosz]

I didn't pay that much attention but iirc he said it had to get 10,000 facebook commitments, because that would give them about 1,000 actual attendees and they didn't get that number.

I see. Thanks.

[kcchiefs6465]

As a side note, mushrooms have ridiculously long prison sentences behind them.

I've never understood it.

From what I've read, he is facing ten years for the mushrooms which truth be told could very well just be one cap or one stem, the laws are so damn ridiculous, or it very well may not have even been on his person or his. He is the one they were targeting, it was his home. If the mushrooms were on the table or even in someone else's pocket they would say they are his and charge him as if they were. A not too uncommon scenario is someone throwing drugs when the police come. Even if the mushrooms were near someone else, they very well probably would still charge him as if they were found in his pocket. Just something to consider.

I've also read that he is facing a mandatory two year addition to whatever time he's sentenced to because of a gun. To be clear on this though, he very well may not have been in possession of the gun. A gun simply ,ay have been there so they charged him. Consider too that they usually overcharge you so that they have leverage. Something like 90% of Federal charges don't make it to the jury. People plead out to avoid the near certainty of being convicted, the mandatory minimum sentences, and the football numbers they throw out. 60, 70, 100 years is no joke. Not many would want to risk that when they offer you 15. I can't particularly say I'd blame them.

Helicopters and APCs, a no knock raid and arrest with absurd sentencing possibilities (though the "crime" is absurd enough) and people can't support him? I'd hate to see if I'm ever targeted and thrown in a cage what the people from the woodwork would emerge to say. Or God forbid you are.

[Czolgosz]

Helicopters and APCs, a no knock raid and arrest with absurd sentencing possibilities (though the "crime" is absurd enough) and people can't support him? I'd hate to see if I'm ever targeted and thrown in a cage what the people from the woodwork would emerge to say. Or God forbid you are.


You'll get a thread on a few forums. Comforting, no?

[tod evans]

Ummm, KC,

60 months fed time for a gun w/drugs..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?420784-Police-serving-search-warrant-at-home-of-pro-gun-activist-Adam-Kokesh&p=5118204&viewfull=1#post5118204

[ZENemy]

As a side note, mushrooms have ridiculously long prison sentences behind them.

I've never understood it.

From what I've read, he is facing ten years for the mushrooms which truth be told could very well just be one cap or one stem, the laws are so damn ridiculous, or it very well may not have even been on his person or his. He is the one they were targeting, it was his home. If the mushrooms were on the table or even in someone else's pocket they would say they are his and charge him as if they were. A not too uncommon scenario is someone throwing drugs when the police come. Even if the mushrooms were near someone else, they very well probably would still charge him as if they were found in his pocket. Just something to consider.

I've also read that he is facing a mandatory two year addition to whatever time he's sentenced to because of a gun. To be clear on this though, he very well may not have been in possession of the gun. A gun simply ,ay have been there so they charged him. Consider too that they usually overcharge you so that they have leverage. Something like 90% of Federal charges don't make it to the jury. People plead out to avoid the near certainty of being convicted, the mandatory minimum sentences, and the football numbers they throw out. 60, 70, 100 years is no joke. Not many would want to risk that when they offer you 15. I can't particularly say I'd blame them.

Helicopters and APCs, a no knock raid and arrest with absurd sentencing possibilities (though the "crime" is absurd enough) and people can't support him? I'd hate to see if I'm ever targeted and thrown in a cage what the people from the woodwork would emerge to say. Or God forbid you are.

We cant have mundanes expanding their awareness and becoming one with themselves.

[kcchiefs6465]

You'll get a thread on a few forums. Comforting, no?
Yeah and probably be slandered an agent provocateur or have my past mistakes analyzed through someone else's lens.

It's a little concerning.

We are talking about a man who faces 10+ years for a by and large harmless fungi (whose only harm would be to him and no one else) and a gun yet people still find a reason not to support his case.

Flash banged his house? Helicopters and militarized thugs? Him being kicked when asking to use his bathroom? This is not the country I envision when people say America. I suppose I'm the fool, though. I should have known.

Lord have mercy when they come for you. (not you specifically, to the posters who have used this thread as a means to attempt to assassinate a man's character instead of actually realizing what we are discussing)

[jllundqu]

Adam screwed up. He had shrooms and a gun. Violation of 18 usc 922... he's gonna get a felony conviction unless they find some technicality.

I like Adam a lot and find what he did to be courageous, but he screwed up by mixing drugs and guns and getting caught with both by the feds. Checkmate for him.

[jct74]

split thread created:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?420874-Religion-discussion-in-Adam-Kokesh-thread-(split)

[kcchiefs6465]

Ummm, KC,

60 months fed time for a gun w/drugs..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?420784-Police-serving-search-warrant-at-home-of-pro-gun-activist-Adam-Kokesh&p=5118204&viewfull=1#post5118204
Ridiculous. (though I can hear some people here applauding that bullshit and preaching about responsibility)

My two years additional sentence to the ten years he faces was from an article a few pages back. I just took it at face value because I wasn't actually aware of the specific charge he was charged with and the time he faces.

[Dr.3D]

Adam screwed up. He had shrooms and a gun. Violation of 18 usc 922... he's gonna get a felony conviction unless they find some technicality.

I like Adam a lot and find what he did to be courageous, but he screwed up by mixing drugs and guns and getting caught with both by the feds. Checkmate for him.
Maybe his defense will be able to show how both the laws on guns and drugs are unconstitutional.

[kcchiefs6465]

Adam screwed up. He had shrooms and a gun. Violation of 18 usc 922... he's gonna get a felony conviction unless they find some technicality.

I like Adam a lot and find what he did to be courageous, but he screwed up by mixing drugs and guns and getting caught with both by the feds. Checkmate for him.
How do you know the mushrooms were his?

[better-dead-than-fed]

I did not see any mushrooms. Saw a shotgun, but no mushrooms.

[Dr.3D]

I did not see any mushrooms. Saw a shotgun, but no mushrooms.
They claim they found the shrooms when they searched his home.

[better-dead-than-fed]

They claim they found the shrooms when they searched his home.

I do not assume their claim is true. They also took an oath to uphold the constitution.

[tangent4ronpaul]

As a side note, mushrooms have ridiculously long prison sentences behind them.

I've never understood it.

From what I've read, he is facing ten years for the mushrooms which truth be told could very well just be one cap or one stem, the laws are so damn ridiculous, or it very well may not have even been on his person or his. He is the one they were targeting, it was his home. If the mushrooms were on the table or even in someone else's pocket they would say they are his and charge him as if they were. A not too uncommon scenario is someone throwing drugs when the police come. Even if the mushrooms were near someone else, they very well probably would still charge him as if they were found in his pocket. Just something to consider.

I've also read that he is facing a mandatory two year addition to whatever time he's sentenced to because of a gun. To be clear on this though, he very well may not have been in possession of the gun. A gun simply ,ay have been there so they charged him. Consider too that they usually overcharge you so that they have leverage. Something like 90% of Federal charges don't make it to the jury. People plead out to avoid the near certainty of being convicted, the mandatory minimum sentences, and the football numbers they throw out. 60, 70, 100 years is no joke. Not many would want to risk that when they offer you 15. I can't particularly say I'd blame them.

Helicopters and APCs, a no knock raid and arrest with absurd sentencing possibilities (though the "crime" is absurd enough) and people can't support him? I'd hate to see if I'm ever targeted and thrown in a cage what the people from the woodwork would emerge to say. Or God forbid you are.

Kokesh needs to find Jesus the earth spirits real quick!

back in HS, I was working in the schools greenhouse and we'd just brought in a ton of horse manure. Well, shortly after that we came in one day to find one bed in a shady spot, under a potting bench was showing a bumper crop of shrooms. Edible?, poisonous? hallucinogenic? We didn't know, so we didn't mess with them. Anyway, that is a viable defense: "Hay your honor, found it in the garden and we were going to take it to the AG extension service to find out what it was and if we should be concerned about it..."

-t

[JK/SEA]

yeah, not very likely some stormtrooper planted the shrooms...no pun.:rolleyes:

[kcchiefs6465]

I did not see any mushrooms. Saw a shotgun, but no mushrooms.
What are you referring to? In the video or you saw pictures of the evidence?

[better-dead-than-fed]

Violent protest brings about the exact opposite of the supposedly desired results. It turns the masses against your cause. It gives politicians reason to pass more laws. It gives bigger budgets to power-drunk bureaucrats and officials. It justifies their escalation of force.

Any act of forceful self-defense against a government employee could have those consequences.

[better-dead-than-fed]

What are you referring to? In the video or you saw pictures of the evidence?

I was referring to the video. Police plant drugs whenever they want to. Kokesh knew they were coming, so if he really got caught with mushrooms, then that is what he wanted. And if it is what he wanted, then it is strange that he did not post a video showing mushrooms too.

In the jail where I was, most prisoners are Mexicans who cross on foot smuggling drugs. When they get caught, the feds steal the drugs and just charge them with illegal immigration. This is normal fed behavior, not just a few bad apples. So I would have no problem believing the feds planted drugs on Kokesh.

[satchelmcqueen]

do they have proof what he loaded was real ammo? or is he just guilty automatically? and they once again order people to stay in their homes? so much irony here. fuck the system!!!

[tod evans]

If it matters to anyone...The 924c (18 USC) charge has been upheld for as little as one joint and with non-functional firearms...


Fair warning if it applies...:(


In Adams case the law is clear, if he "controlled" the property where guns and drugs were found not only is he subject to sentencing for the drugs and an additional 60 months on the 924c, his property is subject to confiscation..

[phill4paul]

Started reading this thread this morning when there were a few posts. Decided to let it go and see what was posted before responding. I got Kokesh bias. FUD slinging. Some really out of place athiest/Jews/Chatholic who-the-hell-knows what. SMFH.

Forget that it is Kokesh. What if some random guy had said "Enough." Threw his finger in the face of the Laviathan and said "Molon Labe." "Come and get me." He doesn't offer resistance. He doesn't hurt an individual. He goads the state to unleash an Army against him.

Well, fuck me. That person is someone that should be excoriated? FUD should be thrown out in his presence instead of discussing the issue itself and what should be done to help him?

This is just one of the reasons why I am tired of the interwebz. This shit is getting old and the moment is upon us.

[Czolgosz]

If you mess with government you're going to jail and or paying huge fines and/or paying officer of the court fee's.

Or you die fighting them.

There are no other options.

[Czolgosz]

Started reading this thread this morning when there were a few posts. Decided to let it go and see what was posted before responding. I got Kokesh bias. FUD slinging. Some really out of place athiest/Jews/Chatholic who-the-hell-knows what. SMFH.

Forget that it is Kokesh. What if some random guy had said "Enough." Threw his finger in the face of the Laviathan and said "Molon Labe." "Come and get me." He doesn't offer resistance. He doesn't hurt an individual. He goads the state to unleash an Army against him.

Well, fuck me. That person is someone that should be excoriated? FUD should be thrown out in his presence instead of discussing the issue itself and what should be done to help him?

This is just one of the reasons why I am tired of the interwebz. This shit is getting old and the moment is upon us.


Well said, brother.


Just need a few good Men.

[tod evans]

The federal leviathan has been singling out 1-4 men at a time for attacks like this for decades.

Legal challenges by some of the best minds on the planet have proved fruitless, 40+ years of campaigning and voting have got a few states laws somewhat more permissive.....

But there has been no change in federal legislation other than to increase surveillance and prosecution.

Unfortunately Adam is just one more life that's getting ready to be chewed up and spit out by "our" federal government...

The government that does not represent people like me:mad:

[Brian4Liberty]

Adam screwed up. He had shrooms and a gun. Violation of 18 usc 922... he's gonna get a felony conviction unless they find some technicality.

I like Adam a lot and find what he did to be courageous, but he screwed up by mixing drugs and guns and getting caught with both by the feds. Checkmate for him.

Damn. That brings up the possibility that they will charge him for things in his home, and never charge him for the actual act of protest, which was loading the gun in DC.

Wow, talk about a case of going on a fishing expedition just to charge someone.

[AuH20]

Damn. That brings up the possibility that they will charge him for things in his home, and never charge him for the actual act of protest, which was loading the gun in DC.

Wow, talk about a case of going on a fishing expedition just to charge someone.

What the hell was he thinking????????? Or was he thinking???? Kokesh could have played a critical role but he's likely to be sidelined for 20 years in federal prison.

[tod evans]

What the hell was he thinking????????? Or was he thinking???? Kokesh could have played a critical role but he's likely to be sidelined for 20 years in federal prison.

I'm betting he'll be presented with an 84 month "plea-deal" 7 years!

If he insists on a "jury" he'll do 20+..

The system is rigged and he's fucked.

There's nothing even 10,000 people could do to help him at this point other than make a lot of racket..

[better-dead-than-fed]

I did not personally see any shrooms. I only saw a newspaper report alleging that a government employee alleged something about shrooms.

Did anyone here personally witness any shrooms at Kokesh's house?

[tod evans]

I did not personally see any shrooms. I only saw a newspaper report alleging that a government employee alleged something about shrooms.

Did anyone here personally witness any shrooms at Kokesh's house?


You know better than that!

Cop said there was shrooms, he'll be convicted of shrooms...

[presence]

I hope he's able to play a legal trump card and the trigger group and firing pin in that DC gun protest were indeed removed.

[tod evans]

Has anyone posted a copy of the indictment yet or is all this just speculation?