Neocon: Rand Paul Is Likely to Improve as a Warmonger (with practice)

[KEEF]

Ha Ha Rand, stand your ground and don't sway!

MONDAY, JULY 8, 2013

Neocon: Rand Paul Is Likely to Improve as a Warmonger (with practice)



Neocon Jennifer Rubin writes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/07/08/the-world-according-to-rand-paul/)in WaPo:
Watching Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) try to spin his foreign policy tales is like listening to a beginning violinist — it’s painful. But with practice and a teacher, the violinist can improve.
But she is certainly unhappy with recent comments Rand has made:
Sen. Rand Paul lashed out Monday against neoconservatives on Twitter for supporting the “military junta” in Egypt and arguing for continued monetary aid to the country, whose armed forces recently ousted the sitting president, Mohamed Morsi.[..]

I’d like to understand to whom he is referring. President Obama? Secretaries of State Hillary Clinton and John Kerry? They all supported aid to the Egyptian government. Both houses of Congress, maybe? Right now it is the president who is rebuffing calls to cut off aid. Mr. Obama is many things, but a neoconservative he is not. One suspects Paul doesn’t quite know what one is and likes to toss around the term as his father and other fringe characters do in lieu of intelligible criticism.
Her advice to Rand:
Paul surely wants to be taken seriously. To do that, however, he needs to stop name-calling and learn something about foreign policy. In that regard, he might find he has more in common with Obama (cut defense, withdraw troops, reject meaningful assistance to the Syrians) than he does with mainstream conservatives. But that really isn’t fair; even the president understands the need for such counterterrorism tactics as drones and NSA surveillance.

In any case, like the aspiring violinist trying to get to Carnegie Hall, Rand Paul needs to practice, practice, practice.





http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/07/neocon-rand-paul-is-likely-to-improve.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Kotin]

People like this usually elicit quite a crass response from me.


What a dumb fuck.


EDIT: but seriously.. I cannot stand people like this that just ooze the fact that they think they know so much more than anyone else and that others are incapable of understanding these issues like they are.

[cajuncocoa]

And so it begins....they are painting Rand as friendly to terrorists.

What will he do to assuage their fear(mongering)? Will he school voters as his father tried to do, or will he oh-so-gently move in Jennifer's direction?

Libertarian supporters of Ron await.

[Sola_Fide]

It just totally goes right over their head that they have the same insane foreign policy as the Democrats.

[enhanced_deficit]

Hopefully Rand would teach neecons a lesson in liberty.

[Bruehound]

And so it begins....they are painting Rand as friendly to terrorists.

What will he do to assuage their fear(mongering)? Will he school voters as his father tried to do, or will he oh-so-gently move in Jennifer's direction?

Libertarian supporters of Ron await.

His use of the pejorative "neoconservatives" indicates he is moving in the correct direction, doesn't it?

[Napolitanic Wars]

This reminds me of O'reilly and Donahue on Iraq. Where the intellectual midget O'reilly uses big words like "geo-politics" and clearly has no clue what it means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-XN5kuoKE

[Warlord]

Rand is not and never has been a warmonger. He's fought them and called them out. Just today for instance.

[cajuncocoa]

His use of the pejorative "neoconservatives" indicates he is moving in the correct direction, doesn't it?
Yes, for now. I just hope he doesn't cave when they start to really pressure him. It's going to get really tough for him to stand his ground with these bullies.

[Warlord]

And so it begins....they are painting Rand as friendly to terrorists.

What will he do to assuage their fear(mongering)? Will he school voters as his father tried to do, or will he oh-so-gently move in Jennifer's direction?

Libertarian supporters of Ron await.

He is antiwar and fought against Libya. He calls out neocons just today for instance. Look at his record.

[Warlord]

Rand does not support war unless attacked. He's said this numerous times. Do you not believe him or something? He fought against Libya. He is the most antiwar senator easily and calls out neocons by name. EPJ forgot that article today I guess. Rubin is irrelevant i'm not even going to read her words. He is not and never will move in her direction.

[vita3]

F* off Rubin.

Go Cheerlead some more for your favorite political party. Likud

[GregSarnowski]

That's fine with me if she thinks that. They can believe what they want as long as they support him.

[cajuncocoa]

He is antiwar and fought against Libya. He calls out neocons just today for instance. Look at his record.
In case you're having trouble with the English language, let me help: all of my questions were phrased as speculative of future actions, not the past.

[Cheimei]

And so it begins....they are painting Rand as friendly to terrorists.

What will he do to assuage their fear(mongering)? Will he school voters as his father tried to do, or will he oh-so-gently move in Jennifer's direction?

Libertarian supporters of Ron await.

I think he'll have an easier time convincing voters now. Syria is not popular, and Egypt is even less popular.

[Brett85]

Rand does not support war unless attacked. He's said this numerous times. Do you not believe him or something? He fought against Libya. He is the most antiwar senator easily and calls out neocons by name. EPJ forgot that article today I guess. Rubin is irrelevant i'm not even going to read her words. He is not and never will move in her direction.

Well, he's said that we should go to war when our allies get attacked as well. But, he's opposed all overseas military interventions since he's been a U.S Senator.

[Christian Liberty]

Well, he's said that we should go to war when our allies get attacked as well. But, he's opposed all overseas military interventions since he's been a U.S Senator.

He's been iffy on Iran. Not full blown "Charge in without thinking", but definitely iffy.

[compromise]

He's been iffy on Iran. Not full blown "Charge in without thinking", but definitely iffy.

He has to keep everything on the table. Rand could well become President, but I don't think that alone will make Iran friendly with the US. The Iranians are refusing to rule anything out, but aren't doing much either. Rand's using the same strategy.

[COpatriot]

Jennifer Rubin is one of the most repulsive figures in media. Pat Buchanan gave her the "infantile conservative" label which is just perfect.

[Warlord]

She's not even a conservative. Was a Democrat from California. Even Mark Levin has major issues with her because she bags Reagan.

[Scrapmo]

If he would just commit to the genocide of all brown people he would be a shoe in!

Frothy Santorum based half of his entire political campaign on it and look how far he got.

[PSYOP]

Rand is not and never has been a warmonger. He's fought them and called them out. Just today for instance.

Respectfully -- what about the Iran sanctions? This is one of my very few problems with Rand.

[Warlord]

Respectfully -- what about the Iran sanctions? This is one of my very few problems with Rand.

Sanctions are not a military intervention.

Don't wish to go over this again but Rand is the most antiwar senator there is. He has fought against Libya, Syria and now Egypt. He even says Israel should lose its foreign aid.

Name me another senator who does this...

[Peace Piper]

Sanctions are not a military intervention.

Ron Paul: Iran Sanctions = Act of War


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO-4v8qpYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO-4v8qpYc

It looks like Rand is trying to convert a few of the 24% that vote (R)
and writing off most of the 50% that don't vote at all. Doing the same thing over and over again.

Ron wasn't afraid to talk to those 50%. Now there's no one.

[PSYOP]

Sanctions are not a military intervention.

Don't wish to go over this again but Rand is the most antiwar senator there is. He has fought against Libya, Syria and now Egypt. He even says Israel should lose its foreign aid.

Name me another senator who does this...

Perhaps not military intervention in essence but they are nevertheless an act of economic warfare which most commonly = starvation

[Warlord]

PP, this gets thrown around a lot but I think he's wrong. There are dozens of countries under sanction and that have not led to a war also the sanctions themselves Rand had a hand in writing and they're not iraq type sanctions or Japan ones which led to PH. Iran will live and politicians get to posture.

[Warlord]

Perhaps not military intervention in essence but they are nevertheless an act of economic warfare which most commonly = starvation

Iran is not starving and the sanctions and what they apply to are quite weak despite what the politicians say. Rand actually watered them down i think.

Personally I dont agree with any sanctions but I can see why someone like Rand would vote for them in order to look tough to primary voters. If Afghanistan got sanctions in 2001 it would be a lot better than an actual war. This doesn't mean Rand wants a war with Iran or would vote for one unless they attacked the US I guess.

[messana]

Iran is not starving and the sanctions and what they apply to are quite weak despite what the politicians say. Rand actually watered them down i think.


SIX YEARS ago, when America and Europe were putting in place the first raft of measures to press Iran to come clean over its nuclear ambitions, the talk was of “smart” sanctions. The West, it was stressed, had no quarrel with the Iranian people—only with a regime that seemed bent on getting a nuclear bomb, or at least the capacity for making one. Yet, as sanctions have become increasingly punitive in the face of Iran’s intransigence, it is ordinary Iranians who are paying the price.

On October 1st and 2nd Iran’s rial lost more than 25% of its value against the dollar. Since the end of last year it has depreciated by over 80%, most of that in just the past month. Despite subsidies intended to help the poor, prices for staples, such as milk, bread, rice, yogurt and vegetables, have at least doubled since the beginning of the year. Chicken has become so scarce that when scant supplies become available they prompt riots. On October 3rd police in Tehran fired tear-gas at people demonstrating over the rial’s collapse. The city’s main bazaar closed because of the impossibility of quoting accurate prices.

Last month a petition with 10,000 names on it was presented to the country’s labour minister by trade unionists. It was a cry of pain. One passage read: “A staggering increase in prices has been biting in the past year, as worker’s wages in the same period have gone up by only 13%.” Unemployment is thought to be around three times higher than the official rate of 12%, and millions of unskilled factory workers are on wages well below the official poverty line of 10m rials (about $300) a month.
http://www.economist.com/node/21564229



As sanctions have started to take their toll, prices of fruit and sugar, among other staples, have soared – in some cases showing three- and four-fold increases. The latest controversy surrounds long queues for discounted poultry, an essential ingredient of Persian food, which has seen its price double since last year, causing what has been dubbed a "chicken crisis" and prompting demonstrations.

Iran's Haemophilia Society recently blamed the sanctions for risking thousands of children's lives due to a lack of proper drugs, the opposition website Rahesabz reported.

Sanctions, too, are compounding the country's economic woes, sending the national currency falling to a record low and making dollars hard to come by.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/10/sanctions-iran-ordinary-people-target

[Christian Liberty]

He has to keep everything on the table. Rand could well become President, but I don't think that alone will make Iran friendly with the US. The Iranians are refusing to rule anything out, but aren't doing much either. Rand's using the same strategy.

I don't think it will make them friendly, but that doesn't mean they will attack us...

You may be right about Rand's intent: but the thing is, nobody really knows. With Ron we knew.

I'm not opposing Rand, I just wish he'd be a full blown peace supporter rather than compromising his dad's ideology with that of the relatively moderate hawkish agenda...

[William R]

Another NeoCon Jew after Rand. Get used to it. IMHO, the Neocons would rather blowup the Republican Party than see Rand get the nomination.

[FSP-Rebel]

Another NeoCon Jew after Rand. Get used to it. IMHO, the Neocons would rather blowup the Republican Party than see Rand get the nomination.
Indeed, her use of the violinist routine is quite similar to the left's use of the "a broken clock is right twice a day" nonsense. Fact is, Carney is on defense in the recent press secretary and this shows the ineptitude of the Obama admin in regards to their stance on foreign aid here. By consequence, even McCain pulled a 180 yet Rubin doesn't mention that and no I didn't bother to read the full article. There has been nothing that Rand has been even close to neoconville on in terms of foreign policy and that really bugs her and her ilk since he's owning the debate and the people are agreeing with him. People have tried to make their case on Iran sanctions but Rand's vote on the watered down version actually subverted preemptive strike lingo that was instilled in the other resolution so it was a win overall. Of course, the tone of the foreign policy debate has come a long ways from back then and it's all thanks to Rand and the current policies backfiring on the idgits calling the shots. Rand has done more in the last 3 years as a Senator to defang the true neocons and turn many in the party against them than I ever expected -> Fact.

[cajuncocoa]

According to EPJ, Rubin also rushed out to tweet the link to the attack piece on Jack Hunter and tied it to Rand
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/07/hit-piece-on-rand-paul-aide-will-rand.html

They're showing their desperation.

[compromise]

Another NeoCon Jew after Rand. Get used to it. IMHO, the Neocons would rather blowup the Republican Party than see Rand get the nomination.

Why does it matter that she's a Jew?

[Philhelm]

Why does it matter that she's a Jew?

They're poisoning our wells.

[vita3]

Ron Paul wasn't even allowed to debate in the Jewish Neo-con 2012 Presidential event.

[muh_roads]

If the neocons want us to accept their foreign policy, they first need to come clean on why we're actually doing all this crap in the first place.

We do what we do to preserve the petrodollar and keep OPEC nations trading in US Dollars. But once that is lost, hyperinflation begins.

They will never come clean with that because the answer is to reduce foreign oil dependence. The elite have been making a killing and have been for decades.

[muh_roads]

Why does it matter that she's a Jew?

Follow the money. Our monetary system at almost every level is controlled by Jewish people. Very strange.

[PSYOP]

Iran is not starving and the sanctions and what they apply to are quite weak despite what the politicians say. Rand actually watered them down i think.

Personally I dont agree with any sanctions but I can see why someone like Rand would vote for them in order to look tough to primary voters. If Afghanistan got sanctions in 2001 it would be a lot better than an actual war. This doesn't mean Rand wants a war with Iran or would vote for one unless they attacked the US I guess.

How do you know? Do you have contacts in Iran? Do you visit quiet often?