Nicaragua offers Snowden asylum

[Carlybee]

Nicaragua Offers Snowden Asylum

Sounds like Edward Snowden has his first offer. The president of Nicaragua says he's willing to give Snowden asylum--the first acceptance from the 20 countries which the NSA leaker has applied to. Snowden is reportedly in the transit zone of the Moscow airport. Now, the only problem that remains is how Snowden would make his way to Nicaragua over international airspace.







http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/07/05/nicaragua-offers-snowden-asylum.html

[qh4dotcom]

Now, the only problem that remains is how Snowden would make his way to Nicaragua over international airspace.

He doesn't have to go through EU airspace....he can fly east across all of Russia, then all over the Pacific Ocean to arrive in Nicaragua.

[Carlybee]

I'm thinking that plane better be fast. What happens when it's over international airspace?

[Directive 10-289]

He doesn't have to go through EU airspace....he can fly east across all of Russia, then all over the Pacific Ocean to arrive in Nicaragua.

Which would involve going over US airspace (Alaska).

[Carlybee]

Live updates http://rt.com/usa/nsa-leak-snowden-live-updates-482/

[tangent4ronpaul]

Which would involve going over US airspace (Alaska).

Someone needs to look at a world map again:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=russia&ie=UTF-8&ei=t8fXUfeaEYq80QH9hYCwDg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg

-t

[daviddee]

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[tangent4ronpaul]

All flights from VVO connect somewhere in the USA.

There are no flights from Eastern Russia to South America that are direct.

Private jet would cost 100K and you need to fly over "friendly" nations to the USA.

The same applies to Caracus.

Safest flight is SVO -> HAV -> CCS

What was Spain's response again? I found this:

Iberia airline
DME -> MEX via MAD

or through MUC? (Germany)
DME05:50MEX20:1423h 24mVia MUC

I was just thinking something flying into MEX would be fairly easy. Noticed that Swiss Air services some airports in Russia, bouncing off Switzerland and headed through some "unfriendly" countries (to the US) in the middle east, northern Africa and central Africa to find a flight to South America. Would take a while, but could also be pretty safe.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

What makes people so sure he's even still in Russia?

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_01/Venezuelas-President-to-open-Chavez-Street-in-Moscow-2496/

Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro will take part in the gas forum which will take place in Moscow on July 1 and 2.

It is expected that Mr. Maduro will take part in a ceremony of opening a new street, which will be named after Venezuela's previous president Hugo Chavez, in Moscow, and also make a speech in the Russian parliament.

After the gas forum, Mr. Maduro will go to Belarus's capital Minsk, where he will meet with Belarus's President Alexander Lukashenko.

Earlier, an aid of Russia's President Vladimir Putin Yuri Ushakov said that during the gas summit, Mr. Putin will meet with President Maduro, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bolivia's President Evo Morales and Libya's Prime Minister Ali Zeidan.

Voice of Russia, Interfax
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_01/Venezuelas-President-to-open-Chavez-Street-in-Moscow-2496/

Would it be safer to make such a flight on a diplomatic aircraft or a commercial one?

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/9798

July 3rd:
Morales had been in Russia with Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro, attending the second summit of the Gas Exporting Countries Forum (GECF). Maduro and Jaua are now in Belarus for bilateral talks, while Morales tried to return to Bolivia.

OK, the Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro and his foreign minister are in the former Soviet satellite country of Belarus on the 3rd and between then and the 5th, when he offered Snowden asylum they flew home... unmolested.

(pssst: Moralis - we both know what the Americans are going to try and pull. We'll hold back a day with the "package" and attend some additional negotiations, then they won't dare to pull that BS again after the expected international, diplomatic shit storm should be hitting full force. Good luck decoy!)

My money said he's already in Venezuela.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323899704578588351612234478.html


It wasn't clear how Mr. Snowden could make it to either country, however. There are no direct commercial flights from Moscow to Caracas. And a recent analysis of his possible routes to Ecuador, a country that last week extended an asylum offer to him providing he could get to Ecuadorean territory, showed that all of his connecting flight routes to that country ran through countries that have extradition treaties with the U.S. Nonetheless, Mr. Snowden could board a plane from Moscow to Havana, and then go on to Caracas. Although Cuba has an extradition treaty with the U.S., it has largely been a dead letter.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/9797


The two countries signed five new agreements, for a total of 240 ongoing agreements, which fall into 14 strategic areas. One new agreement involves creating a joint venture for natural gas production between Venezuela’s PDVSA and Rosneft. The two presidents also discussed opening up a direct flight between Moscow and Caracas, in order to facilitate tourism and trade.

“When we take on the presidency of Mercosur on 12 July, we want the relationship between Russia and the other countries of Mercosur to be strengthened, and ...we’d like to make Venezuela a strategic point between Russia and Latin America and the Caribbean,” Maduro also said.

According to Putin, Russian companies are currently investing US$20 billion in Venezuela.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323899704578588351612234478.html


Heightened tensions with the U.S. could complicate Mr. Maduro's efforts to grapple with the country's growing economic crisis. Since coming to power, Mr. Maduro has been trying to deal with a sky-high inflation rate that analysts expect to his 40% this year, a currency whose value on the parallel market is plunging and widespread shortages of consumer products.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/9797


The GECF’s member countries combined control over 70% of the world’s natural gas reserves, 38% of pipeline trade, and 85% of liquefied natural gas production.

At the summit, Maduro proposed the creation of a financial fund or a bank between the gas exporting countries. He argued that the proposal wasn’t just “about building a gas bank, but rather so that our public companies and the most powerful companies of our countries can join together to increase the investments in projects that each country is carrying out”.

He argued that one of the main aims of the summit should be joint work, including exchange of experiences and policies that favour better management of gas. For that, he proposed creating a research institute between the member countries.

Maduro announced that “in approximately one year” Venezuela could be “certified as [having] the fifth [largest] gas reserve in the world”.

In 2009 the Venezuelan government estimated that there are 200 million cubic feet of natural gas along the Venezuelan coastline. Natural gas is heavily subsidised in Venezuela, and while the government has been developing projects to introduce gas run cars, they have yet to be implemented on a mass scale.

The Moscow Declaration coming out of yesterday’s summit, titled “Natural Gas: The answer to the 21st century sustainable development challenges”, declared the forum’s “determination” to strengthen the GECF as a platform for advancing member countries’ position on international gas market issues.

The declaration also wants countries to enhance coordination to protect each other in all areas, including interactions with regulatory authorities of gas consuming countries. Member countries pledged to continue to support gas pricing based on oil products indexation, and to promote the expansion of natural gas utilisation in different forms, including motor fuel and feedstock.

Now who needs who again?

-t

[Occam's Banana]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/07/05/nicaragua-offers-snowden-asylum.html

The OP item has been updated. Venezuela is offering asylum now, too:


Snowden Gets Two Asylum Offers

It appears that Edward Snowden now has some options. On Friday, the presidents of Venezuela and Nicaragua separately offered the NSA leaker asylum in their countries. Snowden had sought refuge from 20 nations after fleeing the United States, and these are the first to accept him. As of now, Snowden is still rumored to be cooped up in the transit zone of a Moscow airport. President Nicolas Maduro said he was offering asylum to Snowden so that Snowden could be free of "persecution from the empire."

From Russia Today (rt.com): http://rt.com/usa/nsa-leak-snowden-live-updates-482/

Venezuela's president Maduro says he has decided to offer asylum to US NSA-leaker Edward Snowden, Reuters reports.

"I have decided to offer humanitarian asylum to the young American, Edward Snowden, so that in the fatherland of (Simon) Bolivar and (Hugo) Chavez, he can come and live away from the imperial North American persecution," Maduro told a televised parade marking Venezuela's independence day.