File under "get a rope": THIRD amendment violation....

[phill4paul]

https://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59061.htm


LAS VEGAS (CN) - Henderson police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court.

Anthony Mitchell and his parents Michael and Linda Mitchell sued the City of Henderson, its Police Chief Jutta Chambers, Officers Garret Poiner, Ronald Feola, Ramona Walls, Angela Walker, and Christopher Worley, and City of North Las Vegas and its Police Chief Joseph Chronister, in Federal Court.

Henderson, pop. 257,000, is a suburb of Las Vegas.

The Mitchell family's claim includes Third Amendment violations, a rare claim in the United States. The Third Amendment prohibits quartering soldiers in citizens' homes in times of peace without the consent of the owner.

"On the morning of July 10th, 2011, officers from the Henderson Police Department responded to a domestic violence call at a neighbor's residence," the Mitchells say in the complaint.

It continues: "At 10:45 a.m. defendant Officer Christopher Worley (HPD) contacted plaintiff Anthony Mitchell via his telephone. Worley told plaintiff that police needed to occupy his home in order to gain a 'tactical advantage' against the occupant of the neighboring house. Anthony Mitchell told the officer that he did not want to become involved and that he did not want police to enter his residence. Although Worley continued to insist that plaintiff should leave his residence, plaintiff clearly explained that he did not intend to leave his home or to allow police to occupy his home. Worley then ended the phone call.

Mitchell claims that defendant officers, including Cawthorn and Worley and Sgt. Michael Waller then "conspired among themselves to force Anthony Mitchell out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use." (Waller is identified as a defendant in the body of the complaint, but not in the heading of it.)

The complaint continues: "Defendant Officer David Cawthorn outlined the defendants' plan in his official report: 'It was determined to move to 367 Evening Side and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested.'"

At a few minutes before noon, at least five defendant officers "arrayed themselves in front of plaintiff Anthony Mitchell's house and prepared to execute their plan," the complaint states.

It continues: "The officers banged forcefully on the door and loudly commanded Anthony Mitchell to open the door to his residence.

"Surprised and perturbed, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell immediately called his mother (plaintiff Linda Mitchell) on the phone, exclaiming to her that the police were beating on his front door.

"Seconds later, officers, including Officer Rockwell, smashed open plaintiff Anthony Mitchell's front door with a metal ram as plaintiff stood in his living room.

"As plaintiff Anthony Mitchell stood in shock, the officers aimed their weapons at Anthony Mitchell and shouted obscenities at him and ordered him to lie down on the floor.

"Fearing for his life, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell dropped his phone and prostrated himself onto the floor of his living room, covering his face and hands.

"Addressing plaintiff as 'asshole', officers, including Officer Snyder, shouted conflicting orders at Anthony Mitchell, commanding him to both shut off his phone, which was on the floor in front of his head, and simultaneously commanding him to 'crawl' toward the officers.

"Confused and terrified, plaintiff Anthony Mitchell remained curled on the floor of his living room, with his hands over his face, and made no movement.

"Although plaintiff Anthony Mitchell was lying motionless on the ground and posed no threat, officers, including Officer David Cawthorn, then fired multiple 'pepperball' rounds at plaintiff as he lay defenseless on the floor of his living room. Anthony Mitchell was struck at least three times by shots fired from close range, injuring him and causing him severe pain." (Parentheses in complaint.)

Officers then arrested him for obstructing a police officer, searched the house and moved furniture without his permission and set up a place in his home for a lookout, Mitchell says in the complaint.

He says they also hurt his pet dog for no reason whatsoever: "Plaintiff Anthony Mitchell's pet, a female dog named 'Sam,' was cowering in the corner when officers smashed through the front door. Although the terrified animal posed no threat to officers, they gratuitously shot it with one or more pepperball rounds. The panicked animal howled in fear and pain and fled from the residence. Sam was subsequently left trapped outside in a fenced alcove without access to water, food, or shelter from the sun for much of the day, while temperatures outside soared to over 100 degrees Fahrenheit."

Anthony and his parents live in separate houses, close to one another on the same street. He claims that police treated his parents the same way.

"Meanwhile, starting at approximately 10:45 a.m., police officers entered the back yard of plaintiffs Michael Mitchell and Linda Mitchell's residence at 362 Eveningside Avenue. The officers asked plaintiff Michael Mitchell if he would be willing to vacate his residence and accompany them to their 'command center' under the guise that the officers wanted Michael Mitchell's assistance in negotiating the surrender of the neighboring suspect at 363 Eveningside Avenue. Plaintiff Michael Mitchell reluctantly agreed to follow the officers from his back yard to the HPD command center, which was approximately one quarter mile away," the complaint states.

"When plaintiff Michael Mitchell arrived at the HPD command center, he was informed that the suspect was 'not taking any calls' and that plaintiff Michael Mitchell would not be permitted to call the suspect neighbor from his own phone. At that time, Mr. Mitchell realized that the request to accompany officers to the HPD command center was a tactic to remove him from his house. He waited approximately ten minutes at the HPD command center and was told he could not return to his home.

"Plaintiff Michael Mitchell then left HPD command center and walked down Mauve Street toward the exit of the neighborhood. After walking for less than five minutes, an HPD car pulled up next to him. He was told that his wife, Linda Mitchell, had 'left the house' and would meet him at the HPD command center. Michael Mitchell then walked back up Mauve Street to the HPD command center. He called his son, James Mitchell, to pick him up at the HPD command center. When plaintiff Michael Mitchell attempted to leave the HPD command center to meet James, he was arrested, handcuffed and placed in the back of a marked police car.

"Officers had no reasonable grounds to detain plaintiff Michael Mitchell, nor probable
cause to suspect him of committing any crime.

"At approximately 1:45 p.m., a group of officers entered the backyard of plaintiffs Michael Mitchell and Linda Mitchell's residence at 362 Eveningside Avenue. They banged on the back door of the house and demanded that plaintiff Linda Mitchell open the door.

"Plaintiff Linda Mitchell complied and opened the door to her home. When she told officers that they could not enter her home without a warrant, the officers ignored her. One officer, defendant Doe 1, seized her by the arm, and other officers entered her home without permission.

"Defendant Doe 1 then forcibly pulled plaintiff Linda Mitchell out of her house.

"Another unidentified officer, defendant Doe 2, then seized plaintiff Linda Mitchell's purse and began rummaging through it, without permission, consent, or a warrant.

"Defendant Doe 1 then escorted Linda Mitchell at a brisk pace through her yard and
up the hill toward the 'Command Post' while maintaining a firm grip on her upper arm. Plaintiff Linda Mitchell is physically frail and had difficulty breathing due to the heat and the swift pace. However, Doe 1 ignored her pleas to be released or to at least slow down, and refused to provide any explanation for why she was being treated in such a manner.

"In the meantime, the officers searched and occupied plaintiffs Michael Mitchell and
Linda Mitchell's house. When plaintiff Linda Mitchell returned to her home, the cabinets and closet doors throughout the house had been left open and their contents moved about. Water had been consumed from their water dispenser. Even the refrigerator door had been left ajar and mustard and mayonnaise had been left on their kitchen floor."

Police took Anthony and Michael Mitchell to jail and booked them for obstructing an officer. They were jailed for at least nine hours before they bailed out, they say in the complaint. All criminals charged were dismissed with prejudice. They claim the defendants filed the baseless criminal charges "to provide cover for defendants' wrongful actions, to frustrate and impede plaintiffs' ability to seek relief for those actions, and to further intimidate and retaliate against plaintiffs."

None of the officers were ever subjected to official discipline or even inquiry, the complaint states.

The Mitchells seek punitive damages for violations of the third, fourth and 14th Amendments, assault and battery, conspiracy, defamation, abuse of process, malicious prosecution, negligence and emotional distress.
They are represented by Benjamin C. Durham, with Cofer, Geller & Durham, in Las Vegas

[tod evans]

"Just-Us"

http://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/hang.gif Get a rope! :mad:

[ghengis86]

Wow...I just pray to God I'm not put in this type of situation because I would not be curled up in the fetal position...

[Uriel999]

Fuck it, now I have seen EVERY right in the Bill of Rights raped.

[Red Green]

The pigs are far worse than the criminals without badges. At least we're not paying for their 'mistakes' (i.e. getting caught on video) and pensions.

[Brian4Liberty]

Once again, a case for firings all around.

[libertarianMoney]

Depressing.

Are police officers considered soldiers?
Even if they are, I'd bet my arm that the judge is going to ferret out some excuse saying it doesn't break the third amendment.

Hopefully the judge lets them get something from the case because its absolutely disgusting...

[aGameOfThrones]

Once again, a case for firings all around.

Only that? Not gonna say anything that might get me a similar fate like the kid in the video game thread.

[aGameOfThrones]

Depressing.

Are police officers considered soldiers?
Even if they are, I'd bet my arm that the judge is going to ferret out some excuse saying it doesn't break the third amendment.

Hopefully the judge lets them get something from the case because its absolutely disgusting...

You tell me...

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[Christian Liberty]

Only that? Not gonna say anything that might get me a similar fate like the kid in the video game thread.

TRIAL AND LEGAL EXECUTION....

I can't, and won't outright advocate for it, but I think if he had shot back that would have been justifiable homicide. Maybe not legally, but certainly morally...

[DGambler]

These guys give real pigs a bad name.

[Anti Federalist]

Fuck it, now I have seen EVERY right in the Bill of Rights raped.

I was wondering when they would get around to the Third.

Way to go, 10/10!

[Anti Federalist]

Police = Standing army of oppression.

[Anti Federalist]

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures

[Cleaner44]

Pay the man! Another case of cops thinking there is no limit to their power. Sue them and break their budgets! When they are broke this shit will end.

[aGameOfThrones]

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures

Today...

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures

[aGameOfThrones]

Pay the man! Another case of cops thinking there is no limit to their power. Sue them and break their budgets! When they are broke this shit will end.

And why should they? It's not like they get punished.

[Red Green]

TRIAL AND LEGAL EXECUTION....

I can't, and won't outright advocate for it, but I think if he had shot back that would have been justifiable homicide. Maybe not legally, but certainly morally...

If all these pigs had ended up shot dead, I wouldn't have shed a tear and in fact I might have been tempted to throw a going away party for them.

But yeah, I don't condone violence although defending oneself against agressors is always an exception.

[Red Green]

Pay the man! Another case of cops thinking there is no limit to their power. Sue them and break their budgets! When they are broke this shit will end.

They'll just end up taxing people more. Or borrowing more money. Hopefully one day all these cities will be bankrupt like Detroit and people will realize the emperor has no clothes.

[Christian Liberty]

If all these pigs had ended up shot dead, I wouldn't have shed a tear and in fact I might have been tempted to throw a going away party for them.

But yeah, I don't condone violence although defending oneself against agressors is always an exception.

Amen...

[Red Green]

These guys give real pigs a bad name.

Real pigs have personality. And they serve at least one useful function: bacon. I can't think of a single useful function for these pigs.

[Anti Federalist]

You tell me...

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Indeed...tell us, Clovers and skeptics out there...is this the face of freedom?

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[Christian Liberty]

All hail the troops that be fightin' for our freedoms!

/sarc.

[Anti Federalist]

All hail the troops that be fightin' for our freedoms!

/sarc.

'MuriKa товарищ!

*belch*

[aGameOfThrones]

Real pigs have personality. And they serve at least one useful function: bacon. I can't think of a single useful function for these pigs.

All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.

[phill4paul]

Indeed...tell us, Clovers and skeptics out there...is this the face of freedom?

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4bdadb177f8b9a2b31720100/bad-boys-bad-boys-obama-sending-swat-teams-to-inspect-gulf-oil-rigs.jpg

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Nothing says Independence like an increased police presence.....


Baltimore Fourth of July to feature heavy police presence
All officers ordered to report, state law enforcement agencies coming in
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-july-4-safety-20130702,0,7622786.story#ixzz2Y5yXVYJI

Authorities ensure safety for Fourth of July at Inner Harbor
Strong police presence to help prevent violence, officials say
Read more: http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/authorities-ensure-safety-for-fourth-of-july-at-inner-harbor/-/10131532/20823158/-/10d1vk6z/-/index.html#ixzz2Y5ysPhvm

Lansing police chief: Expect larger police presence at city's Fourth of July fireworks
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2013/07/lansing_police_chief_expect_la.html

Police announce huge presence, more cameras for July Fourth celebration on Esplanade
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/03/police-announce-huge-presence-more-cameras-for-the/CvgHGRVHMnUJFOBRwn2rrJ/story.html

Residents receive reminder letter from police about Fourth of July rules
http://m.tbrnews.com/news/hermosa_beach/residents-receive-reminder-letter-from-police-about-fourth-of-july/article_c599210c-ab98-11e2-9b51-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm

Law enforcement increasing presence for Fourth of July
http://www.uniondailytimes.com/view/full_story/23041854/article-Law-enforcement-increasing-presence-for-Fourth-of-July

[Anti Federalist]

Nothing says Independence like an increased police presence.....


Baltimore Fourth of July to feature heavy police presence
All officers ordered to report, state law enforcement agencies coming in
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-july-4-safety-20130702,0,7622786.story#ixzz2Y5yXVYJI

Authorities ensure safety for Fourth of July at Inner Harbor
Strong police presence to help prevent violence, officials say
Read more: http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/authorities-ensure-safety-for-fourth-of-july-at-inner-harbor/-/10131532/20823158/-/10d1vk6z/-/index.html#ixzz2Y5ysPhvm

Lansing police chief: Expect larger police presence at city's Fourth of July fireworks
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2013/07/lansing_police_chief_expect_la.html

Police announce huge presence, more cameras for July Fourth celebration on Esplanade
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/03/police-announce-huge-presence-more-cameras-for-the/CvgHGRVHMnUJFOBRwn2rrJ/story.html

Residents receive reminder letter from police about Fourth of July rules
http://m.tbrnews.com/news/hermosa_beach/residents-receive-reminder-letter-from-police-about-fourth-of-july/article_c599210c-ab98-11e2-9b51-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm

Law enforcement increasing presence for Fourth of July
http://www.uniondailytimes.com/view/full_story/23041854/article-Law-enforcement-increasing-presence-for-Fourth-of-July

'MuriKa!

Fuck yeah!

[aGameOfThrones]

Nothing says Independence like an increased police presence.....


Baltimore Fourth of July to feature heavy police presence
All officers ordered to report, state law enforcement agencies coming in
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-july-4-safety-20130702,0,7622786.story#ixzz2Y5yXVYJI

Authorities ensure safety for Fourth of July at Inner Harbor
Strong police presence to help prevent violence, officials say
Read more: http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/authorities-ensure-safety-for-fourth-of-july-at-inner-harbor/-/10131532/20823158/-/10d1vk6z/-/index.html#ixzz2Y5ysPhvm

Lansing police chief: Expect larger police presence at city's Fourth of July fireworks
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2013/07/lansing_police_chief_expect_la.html

Police announce huge presence, more cameras for July Fourth celebration on Esplanade
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/03/police-announce-huge-presence-more-cameras-for-the/CvgHGRVHMnUJFOBRwn2rrJ/story.html

Residents receive reminder letter from police about Fourth of July rules
http://m.tbrnews.com/news/hermosa_beach/residents-receive-reminder-letter-from-police-about-fourth-of-july/article_c599210c-ab98-11e2-9b51-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm

Law enforcement increasing presence for Fourth of July
http://www.uniondailytimes.com/view/full_story/23041854/article-Law-enforcement-increasing-presence-for-Fourth-of-July

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[Elias Graves]

I hate what my country has become.

[presence]

stoning, buried waist deep

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[Feelgood]

Emailed this to Jerry Doyle. He is in Nevada, and I know he will have no problems bringing this up on the air.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Not only has Las Vegas metro become a POLICE STATE... they are in cahoots with corporate media and censor all their illegal and rights violation operations. ZERO COVERAGE by your local "News Television Stations". The LV city council is a very corrupt klan of Communists too.

Serfs will comply or you will be arrested or shot or killed. Las Vegas et all metro Police departments are to enforce complete submission of residence to ensure the mundanes don't jeopardize the money train of tourism... regardless of how illegal.

[Warlord]

Not only has Las Vegas metro become a POLICE STATE... they are in cahoots with corporate media and censor all their illegal and rights violation operations. ZERO COVERAGE by your local "News Television Stations". The LV city council is a very corrupt klan of Communists too.

Serfs will comply or you will be arrested or shot or killed. Las Vegas et all metro Police departments are to enforce complete submission of residence to ensure the mundanes don't jeopardize the money train of tourism... regardless of how illegal.

Hollywood, it must hurt you to see what your state has become especially with PATHETIC "leaders" like Harry Reid ruining its name for DECADES...

Just go to Vegas and enjoy freedom fest and have a drink. Say hello to Rand. One of the good things is NV still has people who love freedom

[angelatc]

Lawyers commenting on the case. Note their version includes the cops shooting a dog.

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/04/a-real-live-third-amendment-case/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed (http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/04/a-real-live-third-amendment-case/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)

[Scrapmo]

Warrentless forced entry...check.
Assualt and battery against an innocent unarmed citizen...check.
Verbal abuse...check.
Homeowners dog killed... hmm, looks like these boys missed one. They need to have refreshment course.

Other than that damn fine police work.

[Scrapmo]

On a serious note this is one of the most depressing things I have read on these forums, and that is saying something.

[Mani]

After all the swat raids on mistaken homes and dog shooting threads....i thought i had read it all.

This one is way out in bizarro world. I think this goes down as some of the worst abuses of an armed government force ever. Thi is like Nazi shit. In China you have more rights than this.

I think the KGB were nicer. WTF.

Whenever you have to figure out if the cops are better or worse then the KGB....there's a problem...

[Philhelm]

While no fatalities were involved, in some ways this is one of the most egregious things that I have ever read concerning the standing army in black. At least with the plethora of cop shoots dog stories, there is the miniscule chance that the police had encountered Monty Python's man-eating chihuahua and were required to defend themselves. Even in the drug related cases, at least a crime was committed, technically speaking, even if it should be no crime at all. No, in this case, the victim did nothing wrong by any stretch of the imagination other than wanting to be left alone. The officers involved premeditatedly violated this man, knowing full well that he had committed no crime. What makes this even worse is that I will not be surprised if the outcome favors tyranny.

So much for the "I haven't done anything wrong" excuse.

[Philhelm]

The usurper, Jutta Chambers.
The usurper, Garret Poiner.
The usurper, Ronald Feola.
The usurper, Ramona Walls.
The usurper, Angela Walker.
The usurper, Chrisopher Worley.
The usurper, Joseph Chronister.

[lib3rtarian]

Lets stop for a moment and think back how brilliant our Founding Fathers were. They knew exactly the kind of oppressions an unchecked government would inflict upon the populace and wrote out in exact terms what we should be protected from, in the Bill of Rights. Let's tip our hats off to their brilliance and the continue to lament how far we have fallen.

[Anti Federalist]

Lets stop for a moment and think back how brilliant our Founding Fathers were. They knew exactly the kind of oppressions an unchecked government would inflict upon the populace and wrote out in exact terms what we should be protected from, in the Bill of Rights. Let's tip our hats off to their brilliance and the continue to lament how far we have fallen.

Some of them were...

They were called "Anti Federalists".

They predicted everything that would happen under the new federal government.

[Scrapmo]

Lets stop for a moment and think back how brilliant our Founding Fathers were. They knew exactly the kind of oppressions an unchecked government would inflict upon the populace and wrote out in exact terms what we should be protected from, in the Bill of Rights. Let's tip our hats off to their brilliance and the continue to lament how far we have fallen.

Some of the anti-federalists papers seem as if they were looking into a crystal ball.

[Scrapmo]

Some of them were...

They were called "Anti Federalists".

They predicted everything that would happen under the new federal government.

Beat me to it.

[squarepusher]

They should all be booted off the force, then arrested and charged with break and entering, forcible confinement, destruction of private property, uttering death threats, assault with a weapon, unlawful use of a weapon, false arrest, home invasion, causing a disturbance, kidnapping and extortion.

[GovBotDotNet]

Is judging an individual police officer on the basis of the actions of other police officers any different from any other form of prejudice?

[Scrapmo]

They should all be booted off the force, then arrested and charged with break and entering, forcible confinement, destruction of private property, uttering death threats, assault with a weapon, unlawful use of a weapon, false arrest, home invasion, causing a disturbance, kidnapping and extortion.

"We have held an internal investigation and after reviewing the case, have determined that the officers in question acted without wrong doing"

[jclay2]

Good lord, these pigs need to stop going to the movies and playing video games. Commandeering a house? They really must suffer from a god complex.

[heavenlyboy34]

Some of them were...

They were called "Anti Federalists".

They predicted everything that would happen under the new federal government.
Thread WINNAR. :cool:

[Philhelm]

They should all be booted off the force, then arrested and charged with break and entering, forcible confinement, destruction of private property, uttering death threats, assault with a weapon, unlawful use of a weapon, false arrest, home invasion, causing a disturbance, kidnapping and extortion.

And animal cruelty, battery, conversion, tresspassing, and conspiracy to commit a crime.

[Anti Federalist]

Is judging an individual police officer on the basis of the actions of other police officers any different from any other form of prejudice?

Yes.

A cop dons a uniform and swears to uphold the law of unjust and tyrannical regime.

I am not making "collectivist" statements.

They are.

[GovBotDotNet]

Yes.

A cop dons a uniform and swears to uphold the law of unjust and tyrannical regime.

I am not making "collectivist" statements.

They are.

Do you hold that laws are inherently unjust?

Would you support the wishes of those who would live within the law?

Do you believe that all people who become police officers are aware of the intricacies of justice?

Is it possible to become a police officer with nothing but pure intention?

Can we judge an individual fairly based solely on occupation?

What would bring the greatest justice: assuming any individual cop is bad, or assuming any individual cop may one day be a Sherriff Mack?

[Anti Federalist]

Do you hold that laws are inherently unjust?

What would bring the greatest justice: assuming any individual cop is bad, or assuming any individual cop may one day be a Sherriff Mack?

I'm not interested in justice at this point, any more than your average cop is.

There is no true justice to be had in this land anymore.

For the time being, I'm looking to keep myself, my family and pets alive in a police state.

Having any interface with the state's enforcers greatly reduces the likelihood that will continue for another day.

[TheTexan]

Can we judge an individual fairly based solely on occupation?

If the occupation, were for example, a hitman, then yes.

Similarly, the LEO occupation itself is immoral.


Is it possible to become a police officer with nothing but pure intention?

Some of the worst crimes are done with the best intentions

[GovBotDotNet]

I'm not interested in justice at this point, any more than your average cop is.

There is no true justice to be had in this land anymore.

For the time being, I'm looking to keep myself, my family and pets alive in a police state.

Having any interface with the state's enforcers greatly reduces the likelihood that will continue for another day.

If it is worth acting toward any individuals outside your family and pets, then I would assert it is worth seeking greater justice when possible.

[Anti Federalist]

If it is worth acting toward any individuals outside your family and pets, then I would assert it is worth seeking greater justice when possible.

I'll be sure to keep that in mind when I'm getting tased and beaten half to death.

[GovBotDotNet]

If the occupation, were for example, a hitman, then yes.

Similarly, the LEO occupation itself is immoral.

Do you believe letters of marque and reprisal to be just?

[TheTexan]

Do you believe letters of marque and reprisal to be just?

no

[TheTexan]

I'll be sure to keep that in mind when I'm getting tased and beaten half to death.

half to death? quite the optimist!

[Mani]

I'll be sure to keep that in mind when I'm getting tased and beaten half to death.


Actually tased, your family stunned with flash grenades, then you beaten, pepper sprayed, beaten again, then have your dog shot for barking, then beaten again. And then a water hose nozzle shoved into the hands of your lifeless body (because really that's all it takes for peace keepers to justify shooting someone these days). All the while peace officers randomly yelling, "Dont touch me! Stop resisting! Put the weapon down! Stop resisting!" Just to make sure your rights were not violated and the officers were ONLY defending their safety.

[J_White]

oh, c'mon now, it was just for their own good.

[Scrapmo]

half to death? quite the optimist!

STAY HOPEFUL


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[Henry Rogue]

The usurper, Jutta Chambers.
The usurper, Garret Poiner.
The usurper, Ronald Feola.
The usurper, Ramona Walls.
The usurper, Angela Walker.
The usurper, Chrisopher Worley.
The usurper, Joseph Chronister.
Would it be legal to post their addresses in their local newspaper?

[Henry Rogue]

Is judging an individual police officer on the basis of the actions of other police officers any different from any other form of prejudice? I use to think sadists and bullies gravitated to the institution. I'm sure they do, but now I am convinced the institution creates sadists and bullies. The institution is an army of oppression. The institution must be dismantled. That is the bottom line.


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[TruckinMike]

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[tod evans]

Pour 5 gallons of gas into a 10 gallon portable air tank, pressurized it to 100 PSI(after purging all air) with a propane tank from your bar-b-que grill, attached to hi pressure fan nozzles (home depot), install just off your front and back porch, and control with a 12 volt DC solenoid and battery.

Note: Keep pressurized tank in cool place (under house, buried, etc)

Fight on your terms - not theirs.

and no, I'm not a pacifist. ;)

PS- don't forget to add Pri-G or Sta-Bil to gas.

Xylene and polystyrene is pretty sticky.....;)

[EBounding]

This happened two years ago.....why are we only hearing about it now? That's almost as disturbing as the story.

[VBRonPaulFan]

cops aren't soldiers, they're a civilian force. does the 3rd A really apply to them?

i'm sure that question makes Pinkerton smile broadly from wherever that asshole is.

[osan]

Only that? Not gonna say anything that might get me a similar fate like the kid in the video game thread.

I will.

Hunt them.

[Henry Rogue]

cops aren't soldiers, they're a civilian force. does the 3rd A really apply to them?

i'm sure that question makes Pinkerton smile broadly from wherever that asshole is.
Rank, uniform, chain of command. Had a neighbor who joined a volunteer fire department, shortly after that he started to refer to the rest of us as civilian. I doubt LE view themselves as civilian, question is, what will the judges decide?

[VBRonPaulFan]

Rank, uniform, chain of command. Had a neighbor who joined a volunteer fire department, shortly after that he started to refer to the rest of us as civilian. I doubt LE view themselves as civilian, question is, what will the judges decide?

That's exactly my point. Cops have been trying to market themselves as soldiers for quite some time, but they're really just a civilian force.

[GunnyFreedom]

A rope? I'm starting to think it's time to build an ark.....

[WM_in_MO]

A rope? I'm starting to think it's time to build an ark.....

To the moon!

[tod evans]

Rank, uniform, chain of command. Had a neighbor who joined a volunteer fire department, shortly after that he started to refer to the rest of us as civilian. I doubt LE view themselves as civilian, question is, what will the judges decide?

Judges and prosecutors are just as much the problem...."Just-Us" includes "them".

[jllundqu]

Maybe Nevada needs to pass the law that Indiana did which stated homeowners may use lethal force to resist unlawful actions by Cops.

http://theweek.com/article/index/229167/the-indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops

The Indiana law that lets citizens shoot cops The Hoosier State now allows people to use deadly force to keep public servants from illegally entering their homes or cars. Police, of course, are not pleased

[GunnyFreedom]

Nevada Cops Commandeer Private Homes, Arrest Residents for Objecting (http://reason.com/24-7/2013/07/04/nevada-cops-commandeer-private-homes-arr)
July 4, 2013
Henderson police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court.

http://reason.com/24-7/2013/07/04/nevada-cops-commandeer-private-homes-arr

[kcchiefs6465]

Maybe Nevada needs to pass the law that Indiana did which stated homeowners may use lethal force to resist unlawful actions by Cops.

http://theweek.com/article/index/229167/the-indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops

The Indiana law that lets citizens shoot cops The Hoosier State now allows people to use deadly force to keep public servants from illegally entering their homes or cars. Police, of course, are not pleased
While that may be the case, you'd never see a court date.

And if by some divine miracle a lock was shot off the neighboring apartment, you escaped, and lived to see a court date, you'd be convicted still.

[Pericles]

While no fatalities were involved, in some ways this is one of the most egregious things that I have ever read concerning the standing army in black. At least with the plethora of cop shoots dog stories, there is the miniscule chance that the police had encountered Monty Python's man-eating chihuahua and were required to defend themselves. Even in the drug related cases, at least a crime was committed, technically speaking, even if it should be no crime at all. No, in this case, the victim did nothing wrong by any stretch of the imagination other than wanting to be left alone. The officers involved premeditatedly violated this man, knowing full well that he had committed no crime. What makes this even worse is that I will not be surprised if the outcome favors tyranny.

So much for the "I haven't done anything wrong" excuse.

It is a perfect illustration of the points we are trying to make.

(1) The neighbors had no interest in getting involved in a CPS dispute - they reasonably had the opportunity to observe the parenting and saw nothing amiss.

(2) An extreme violation of individual rights under color of law.

(3) Try as you might to avoid unpleasantness by not getting involved in anything, following all laws, etc., when tyranny comes to your door, you are involved.

[Anti Federalist]

half to death? quite the optimist!

People are always commenting on my sunny disposition.

[Pericles]

People are always commenting on my sunny disposition.
I think it is your best quality. :)

[GovBotDotNet]

I use to think sadists and bullies gravitated to the institution. I'm sure they do, but now I am convinced the institution creates sadists and bullies. The institution is an army of oppression. The institution must be dismantled. That is the bottom line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=760lwYmpXbc

Great post. We often blame the victims of brainwashing.

[green73]

Good to see this on Drudge


Family says police occupation violated the 3rd Amendment
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/dsp/search.htm?searchFor=Family+says+police+occupation +violated+the+3rd+Amendment

[Matt Collins]

Fuck it, now I have seen EVERY right in the Bill of Rights raped.Actually there aren't any really rights. It is misnamed and should be called "The Bill of Restrictions". It doesn't grant rights to anyone, it merely restricts the government (or is supposed to).

[qh4dotcom]

If you all think about it, the 3rd amendment is really unnecessary and probably should not have been included with the Bill of rights....any violations of the 3rd amendment are automatically violations of the Fourth amendment.

You can't quarter yourself in a house and not engage in unreasonable searches and unreasonable seizures.

Are you hungry? You have to do an unreasonable search of my fridge and an unreasonable seizure of my food..

Need to use the bathroom? You have to do an unreasonable seizure of my toilet paper...and an unreasonable search of where I store it.

Want to quarter yourself at my home? First you need to enter my home. You need a warrant to do so.

[TNforPaul45]

This is just horrible :(

[heavenlyboy34]

Actually there aren't any really rights. It is misnamed and should be called "The Bill of Restrictions". It doesn't grant rights to anyone, it merely restricts the government (or is supposed to).
That's the key phrase-and why Constitutionalism has yet to move from theoretical exercise to practical reality.