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RonPaulFanInGA
07-03-2013, 02:18 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/world/middleeast/egypt.html


Egypt’s military on Wednesday deposed Mohamed Morsi, the nation’s first freely elected president, suspending the constitution, installing an interim government and insisting it was responding to the millions of Egyptians who had opposed Mr. Morsi’s Islamist agenda and his allies in the Muslim Brotherhood.

FrancisMarion
07-03-2013, 02:27 PM
Somebody in Washington is staying very, very busy.

shane77m
07-03-2013, 02:28 PM
http://media.townhall.com/_townhall/uploads/2013/7/3/9.jpg

Elias Graves
07-03-2013, 02:36 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5op8TlIJLbY/TJPzCcP5_kI/AAAAAAAAD7o/qDRBPPrkyiY/s1600/Arte+Johnson-Laugh+In.jpg

Keith and stuff
07-03-2013, 02:38 PM
We need more threads on this. The military of Egypt gets billions in subsidies from the US, yet rejects the US puppet in charge of Egypt, 2 times in 2 years.

RickyJ
07-03-2013, 02:42 PM
If he was really elected in a fair election than the Egyptian military are the tyrannical ones here, not Morsi.

RickyJ
07-03-2013, 02:43 PM
We need more threads on this. The military of Egypt gets billions in subsidies from the US, yet rejects the US puppet in charge of Egypt, 2 times in 2 years.

Who says Morsi is a puppet? What has he done to indicate that?

Brian4Liberty
07-03-2013, 02:49 PM
CAIRO, Egypt — More than 22 million Egyptians have signed a petition calling for the country’s Islamist president to step down, the youth group leading the signature campaign said Saturday on the eve of planned mass protests aimed at forcing Mohammed Morsi from office.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/29/opposition-group-claims-anti-morsi-petition-has-22-million-signatures-as-feeling-of-doom-hangs-over-egypt/

So a petition of 22 million Egyptians out of 83 million is enough for removal of the President. That's about 26%.

So should they write into their Constitution that a President can be recalled with a petition of the people of more than 25%? Maybe we should have that. God knows that our Congress won't impeach for violations of the Constitution by the President (or themselves).

What is the due process?

jbauer
07-03-2013, 02:55 PM
We need more threads on this. The military of Egypt gets billions in subsidies from the US, yet rejects the US puppet in charge of Egypt, 2 times in 2 years.

What wait? 2 in 2 years????!!!??

First off most people can't remember 2 years let alone put together 2 events that happened in 2 years. Second at least 45% are only going to listen to what boobus tells them. 3rd The Egyptians enslaved the Israelites we should just nuke 'em either way.

Brian4Liberty
07-03-2013, 03:00 PM
The word is that Morsi has been cracking down on free speech and many other freedoms. Perhaps the people should have been more involved in the writing and ratification of their Constitution... the loopholes for excessive use (and abuse) of power are obviously built right in.


Article 2, makes “the principles of Islamic law the main source of legislation,[10]” a statement defining the relationship between Islam and Egyptian law, essentially unchanged from Egypt's old constitution.[11] At the urging of Islamists, another article was added to the constitution strengthening the relationship, defining the “principles of Shariah” in the terms of Muslim Sunni jurisprudence[8] i.e. "evidence, rules, jurisprudence and sources" accepted by Sunni Islam.[12] Liberals fear "Islamic punishments for things like theft, adultery, and blasphemy are not far behind".
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Protection of rights

Article 81 states that no law may limit the essence of the rights and freedoms set out in the constitution but goes on to say that, "These rights and freedoms shall be exercised insofar as they do not contradict the principles set out in the Chapter on State and Society in this constitution." The provisions in that chapter include article 10, which states that, "The state and society shall commit to preserving the true nature of the Egyptian family," and article 11, which states that, "The state shall protect ethics and morals and public order."[9]
Freedom of expression

Article 45 protects freedom of expression without stating what legitimate limitations are permissible and how to balance this right against article 31, which states that, "The individual person may not be insulted," and article 44 prohibiting "the insulting of prophets."[9]

Freedom of religion

Believers in any of the three Abrahamic religions—Islam, Christianity and Judaism—are guaranteed the freedom of worship, but only those three.[8] More specifically Article 43 on freedom of religion grants the right to practice religion and to establish places of worship to Muslims, Christians, and Jews, but excludes followers of other religions, including Egyptian Bahais, as well as irreligious individuals.[9]

Defense of religion

Article 44 forbids insulting any Abrahamic prophets, but the constitution offers no guidance about how to balance this article with Article 45 guarantees freedom of expression.[8][11]

Article 48, which regulates freedom of the press, requires that the press not "contradict the principles on which the state and society are based" — a reference to the principles of Shariah.[10]

Family

The constitution obligates the state to "preserve" traditional family values based on Islam.[12] Article nine states that "family is the basis of society and is founded on religion, ethics and patriotism. The State and the society have to maintain the authentic character of the Egyptian family, and to work on its cohesion, stability and protection of its traditions and moral values.[15]"

Military trials of civilians

According to the draft the military would retain the ability to try civilians in military courts if they are accused of damaging the armed forces.[8] Article 198 provides that, "Civilians may not be tried before the military justice system except for crimes that harm the armed forces, and this shall be defined by law." This leaves intact the military's discretion to try civilians under the Code of Military Justice.[9]

Freedom from discrimination and women's rights

The new constitution no longer specifically forbids discrimination on the basis of gender[12] but calls for freedom from discrimination by declaring, under article 30,[16] "Citizens are equal before the law and are equal in general rights and duties without discrimination between them based on gender, origin, language, religion, belief, opinion, social status or disability." It also explicitly states in article 68 that "The State is committed to taking all measures to establish equality between women and men in political, cultural, economic and social life and all other fields without prejudice to the provisions of Islamic Sharia." Under the same article it also secures particular care for mothers by ensuring that "the State provides mother and child services for free and guarantees for women health, social, and economic care, inheritance right and adjustment between her family duties and work in society."[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_constitution

Smart3
07-03-2013, 03:02 PM
Another tyrant toppled. Portugal is next!

Keith and stuff
07-03-2013, 03:03 PM
So a petition of 22 million Egyptians out of 83 million is enough for removal of the President. That's about 26%.

So should they write into their Constitution that a President can be recalled with a petition of the people of more than 25%? Maybe we should have that. God knows that our Congress won't impeach for violations of the Constitution by the President (or themselves).

What is the due process?

That is what, half of the adults in Egypt?

ronpaulfollower999
07-03-2013, 03:08 PM
Who says Morsi is a puppet? What has he done to indicate that?

He's Muslim Brotherhood, educated in America, and is backed by Obama & Co.

jclay2
07-03-2013, 03:17 PM
The Egyptian people are absolute sheep. They have been under a complete military dictatorship the entire time, yet somehow think they are on the verge of another revolution. Wake up people. Those in power will continually give you puppets.

twomp
07-03-2013, 03:18 PM
The Egyptian people are absolute sheep. They have been under a complete military dictatorship the entire time, yet somehow think they are on the verge of another revolution. Wake up people. Those in power will continually give you puppets.

They have effectively removed 2 U.S. appointed leaders in 2 years. What would you have them do? Maybe you can give them some tips since you are so well versed in this area.

juleswin
07-03-2013, 03:19 PM
Who says Morsi is a puppet? What has he done to indicate that?

He supported the US line on Syria, cracked down on the Gaza tunnels even more that Mubarak did. Those 2 policies alone that are in line with the US gov and anti arab. Also the fact that he is still getting tons and tons of foreign aid is all you need to know he is a puppet.

Btw right now, the folks over at the WH are having an emergency meeting to figure out how to proceed.

Demigod
07-03-2013, 03:28 PM
So a petition of 22 million Egyptians out of 83 million is enough for removal of the President. That's about 26%.

So should they write into their Constitution that a President can be recalled with a petition of the people of more than 25%? Maybe we should have that. God knows that our Congress won't impeach for violations of the Constitution by the President (or themselves).

What is the due process?

When 25% of the population decide that they will not respect the authority of the government there is either a civil war or the government steps down.There is no need for a law.

If 25% of the USA population decided tomorrow that the USA government is illegitimate the result would be the same,the only problem is Americans never try to fight the system from outside of the system.

Nobexliberty
07-03-2013, 03:30 PM
Maybe they need a pharaoh.

Keith and stuff
07-03-2013, 03:32 PM
When 25% of the population decide that they will not respect the authority of the government there is either a civil war or the government steps down.There is no need for a law.

If 25% of the USA population decided tomorrow that the USA government is illegitimate the result would be the same,the only problem is Americans never try to fight the system from outside of the system.

Of course. This is what, 40% to 60% of the entire adult population. It is way more than during the American Revolution where Patriots murdered government workers, the most important holiday in the US, which will be celebrated by almost everyone tomorrow.

RickyJ
07-03-2013, 03:37 PM
The Egyptian people are absolute sheep. They have been under a complete military dictatorship the entire time, yet somehow think they are on the verge of another revolution. Wake up people. Those in power will continually give you puppets.

I agree, it appears it is the military of Egypt that is getting billions in aid from the USA has total control of Egypt. Morsi might have been a puppet, but the Egyptian military is bought and paid for and they will just install another puppet that is more subtle in his actions and words than Morsi, but still every bit the puppet Morsi probably was.

RickyJ
07-03-2013, 03:39 PM
He supported the US line on Syria, cracked down on the Gaza tunnels even more that Mubarak did. Those 2 policies alone that are in line with the US gov and anti arab. Also the fact that he is still getting tons and tons of foreign aid is all you need to know he is a puppet.

Btw right now, the folks over at the WH are having an emergency meeting to figure out how to proceed.

Yeah, he seems to be a puppet with those policies.

RickyJ
07-03-2013, 03:43 PM
They have effectively removed 2 U.S. appointed leaders in 2 years. What would you have them do? Maybe you can give them some tips since you are so well versed in this area.

They did not do it though, their military did. They are the ones that are removing old puppets and installing new ones. The Egyptian military will not allow a non-US puppet to take power, their billions in aid from the USA seems to guarantee that.

jclay2
07-03-2013, 03:44 PM
They did not do it though, their military did. They are the ones that are removing old puppets and installing new ones. The Egyptian military will not allow a non-US puppet to take power, their billions in aid from the USA seems to guarantee that.

This exactly!

Brian4Liberty
07-03-2013, 03:55 PM
That is what, half of the adults in Egypt?


Of course. This is what, 40% to 60% of the entire adult population. It is way more than during the American Revolution where Patriots murdered government workers, the most important holiday in the US, which will be celebrated by almost everyone tomorrow.

Oh yeah, voting population is around 50 million. Not quite half signed the petition. 50% of voters signing a petition would be more than reasonable for a recall election.

RabbitMan
07-03-2013, 04:02 PM
Morsi was a scum bag that was turning the country into an autocracy. Let the people there decide what will happen. This is very similar as to what happened during the 1840s in Europe during the Springtime of Nations. Many countries like Austria only stayed united because of a military that, although timidly at first, stepped in to restore order and keep the country together. Whether that was a good or bad thing, I will not comment on.

But no doubt the Egyptian Army sees itself in the same role. The statements they've made and actions they are carrying out follow an agenda of maintaining order and stability in the country. They are servants of the people. For an interesting look at this whole situation, watch Vice's episode on the protests in Egypt.

OR, this is a CIA orchestrated coup. BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE. :)

Contumacious
07-03-2013, 04:03 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/world/middleeast/egypt.html

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I wonder what our GI's will be doing when hey come back from AfPak?

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Demigod
07-03-2013, 04:07 PM
They did not do it though, their military did. They are the ones that are removing old puppets and installing new ones. The Egyptian military will not allow a non-US puppet to take power, their billions in aid from the USA seems to guarantee that.

They would not have replaced a single puppet if the people had not demanded it.It does not matter if the USA pays the bills,no army can maintain its self for a longer period of time if it is fighting a civil war against its own population.

All the army is trying to do is control the situation,so that it won't blow out of proportion and ignite a war.But this switching of puppets can not last for a very long time,the people have seen they can replace a government if they go outside and sooner or later if things do not improve ( and they will not ) the anger will turn against the military.They can not keep changing one puppet with another and think that that is some kind of a solution.It may work once more but after that they are done.

AngryCanadian
07-03-2013, 06:24 PM
Obama is upset that this military coup took place.

BenIsForRon
07-03-2013, 09:33 PM
I'm glad Morsi is gone but I don't know how to feel about the way it happened. If a decent guy actually gets elected, what is stopping the military from ousting him?

J_White
07-03-2013, 09:41 PM
Obama is upset that this military coup took place.

really ? or is it just for show ?
Maybe Morsi was not doing enough for US and was allowed to go down ?
who is the next in line to be President ? is he a puppet or not ?
lets c how this goes.

Root
07-03-2013, 11:10 PM
So does Obama get to pick the next guy?

trey4sports
07-03-2013, 11:28 PM
i'm sure numbnuts Glenn Beck will have some crazy muslims-are-comin'-for-us conspiracy theory about this. "we need to stand with Israel" "send troops to Israel"

ClydeCoulter
07-04-2013, 05:21 AM
American advisor to Egypt, John McCain, is advising that elections be held in Egypt very quickly to restore order.

juleswin
07-04-2013, 06:14 AM
I'm glad Morsi is gone but I don't know how to feel about the way it happened. If a decent guy actually gets elected, what is stopping the military from ousting him?

Support from the mob. If the new president goes about pissing of the mob to the point they rise up again in protest then yes, there's nothing stopping the army from removing the next guy. The next president will no longer take the will of the people for granted, I promise you that