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tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2013, 04:19 AM
When President Barack Obama last week called intelligence leaker Edward Snowden a "hacker," the comment was designed to be dismissive. But the president also put his finger on a growing fear among national-security officials: that others in the ranks of young, tech-savvy new recruits could prove as unpredictable as they are indispensable.

Faced with accelerating technological advances over the past decade, and pressed to outsource vital government services, U.S. spy agencies are reaching ever further outside the traditional government hierarchy for expertise. That approach likely led them to Mr. Snowden, a community-college dropout whose sophisticated computer skills trumped his lack of formal education, a situation that has become increasingly common in hiring within the National Security Agency, officials there confirm. The 30-year-old's work as an NSA infrastructure analyst gave him the ultimate insider's access to national secrets.

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Former National Security Agency official Thomas Drake leaves court in Baltimore in June 2011 with one of his attorneys. Mr. Drake had been indicted on a charge of willful retention of national defense information but pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge in a plea deal.

"We have developed this hacker concept, so we want the people that will be the best at breaking into a network," said Dickie George, who served as the NSA's technical director of information assurance, responsible for recruiting those who have proven technical skills, before retiring in 2011. The NSA, he said, "will take a chance on somebody who has the skills we need," even a person without a college degree or government experience.

Former NSA official-turned-leaker Thomas Drake said in an interview that Mr. Snowden is part of a generation, born into the Internet age and beginning their careers after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, who don't bow to traditional pressure to keep quiet. The NSA bureaucracy "is doing flips over this," Mr. Drake said. Mr. Drake was indicted on a charge of willful retention of national defense information in 2010, on allegations that he passed classified information to a reporter. The charges were dropped after Mr. Drake pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count for exceeding authorized use of a computer.
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Army Pfc. Bradley Manning is another who chose to make his concerns public rather than go through official channels. Pfc. Manning was charged with leaking classified information to WikiLeaks, the antisecrecy group that says it is helping Mr. Snowden's quest for a haven after the U.S. revoked his passport. Pfc. Manning has pleaded guilty to lesser charges but is contesting the most serious allegations against him, including charges that the leak amounted to aiding the enemy.

Some experts questioned the future of intelligence security in light of recent events.

"To me, the broader issue is bigger than Manning's case—are we going to see a rash of security leaks from young security analysts?" said Cindy Williams, the principal research scientist in the Security Studies Program at MIT.

Mr. Snowden has been stranded in an airport transit lounge in Moscow since June 23. Russia confirmed Tuesday that he withdrew his asylum request. In all, Mr. Snowden has submitted asylum applications to 21 nations; 19 of them on Monday. Most are believed to have rejected his request.

Over Mr. Snowden's time on the run, the intrigue surrounding him has begun to obscure his original goal: drawing U.S. attention to NSA surveillance programs that could ensnare U.S. citizens. On Friday, Mr. Snowden's father, Lonnie Snowden, condemned his son's association with WikiLeaks.

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Dickie George, who recruited people to work at the NSA, said the agency 'will take a chance on somebody who has the skills we need.'

Jonathan Mills, the father of Mr. Snowden's longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, said in an interview that Mr. Snowden "had a strong sense of right and wrong" and didn't talk about his work. "I never thought he'd do anything this crazy," he said.

Members of Congress have criticized Mr. Snowden for his decision to go to the media with his revelations, rather than to government-oversight panels charged with monitoring the secret programs he revealed—the course that people concerned about intelligence-agency actions traditionally take.

A spokesman for the Senate Intelligence Committee confirmed Mr. Snowden didn't bring his concerns to that panel.

Mr. Snowden has said he went public with two secret NSA programs after "seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to Congress—and therefore the American people—and the realization that Congress…wholly supported the lies."

Edward Snowden, the former U.S. government contractor holed up in the transit zone of Moscow’s airport, has had slow responses to his requests to more than 20 countries for asylum. Bruce Orwall looks at the possibilities for Mr. Snowden.

Whistleblower groups and lawyers who have represented people who disclosed classified information are calling for Mr. Snowden and the U.S. to enter into negotiations over his return, before other secrets he may be carrying wind up in foreign hands.

"I hardly think you can make a great claim for an open transparent government when you're hopscotching from one totalitarian government to another," said Dean Zerbe, a former congressional investigator who regularly fielded whistleblower complaints.Mr. Snowden fled to Hong Kong before jumping to Moscow.

"I worked in Congress for 18 years and we were more than happy to get those phone calls—but it's not as sexy or exciting, of course, as going on TV," said Mr. Zerbe, a Washington-based managing director for Alliantgroup LP, a tax consulting firm.

"It's a no-win for both sides," said Stephen Kohn, who heads the nonprofit National Whistleblowers Center in Washington. By threatening Mr. Snowden with espionage charges, "the U.S. has elevated him to an international cause célèbre, and risks that all the information he has will be released because he has nothing to lose," Mr. Kohn said. "But each time he moves to a further extreme position he undermines his status as a whistleblower."

A provision in the 2012 defense authorization act specifically excluded national security-related employees and contractors from legal protection for whistleblowing.

"He has no statutory or regulatory right to blow the whistle internally, and there's no safe channel," says Mr. Kohn. "So what do you think is going to happen?"

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nlitement
07-03-2013, 05:03 AM
They're just worried that the younger generation, more appreciative of basic liberties and freedoms, might undermine their unconstitutional and corrupt activities.

otherone
07-03-2013, 05:30 AM
They're just worried that the younger generation, more appreciative of basic liberties and freedoms, might undermine their unconstitutional and corrupt activities.

Actually, the concern is the burgeoning growth of the surveillance community increases the likelihood of further security breeches. If half the country has top-secret clearance, what's the point?

tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2013, 05:34 AM
Actually, the concern is the burgeoning growth of the surveillance community increases the likelihood of further security breeches. If half the country has top-secret clearance, what's the point?

It's not half. I believe slightly under a million have clearances. About half a million TS or above. In a country of 300 Million.

Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead.

We have an over classification problem.

We have a problem that the gvmt is doing a lot of stuff it should not be doing.

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RickyJ
07-03-2013, 05:39 AM
Considering the NSA does nothing but hack into people's private data this article is a joke. The NSA is a joke, and it is time it and the CIA are totally disbanded and replaced with agencies that will follow the Constitution.

tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2013, 05:41 AM
Considering the NSA does nothing but hack into people's private data this article is a joke. The NSA is a joke, and it is time it and the CIA are totally disbanded and replaced with agencies that will follow the Constitution.

The only problem there is that it would put the USG and our country at a severe disadvantage. When Lichtenstein has a better intel service than you do - just throw in the towel.

:rolleyes:

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tod evans
07-03-2013, 05:42 AM
A government accountable to the people wouldn't have these problems.

GregSarnowski
07-03-2013, 06:12 AM
The D.C. parasitic crowd are suddenly paragons of principle!

According to this terrible article, because Snowden has not willingly subjugated himself to persecution, it somehow diminishes the gross malfeasance he has exposed.

tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2013, 06:23 AM
The D.C. parasitic crowd are suddenly paragons of principle!

According to this terrible article, because Snowden has not willingly subjugated himself to persecution, it somehow diminishes the gross malfeasance he has exposed.

Excuse me! - there were a number of views expressed there.

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talkingpointes
07-03-2013, 06:28 AM
No, self-respecting black hat would work for them. Who would ever want to work for them unless it's too hack them.

EBounding
07-03-2013, 07:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZMD_eCpEo

tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2013, 07:19 AM
No, self-respecting black hat would work for them. Who would ever want to work for them unless it's too hack them.

It would depend on your period of history.

The black hat community has gotten much more in bed with the government in the last 2 decades. Federal recruiters have started to come out to black hat conventions. I was responsible for what was probably the first reach out between communities. My own network was a bastard child of a similar side but on the other side of the fence, coming out of the Pentagon...

We managed to get some communication going...

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