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Primbs
11-27-2007, 03:16 AM
The price of TV ads are going through the roof in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Voters are getting tired of ads already.

A blimp will avoid the following problems of too many ads at too high a price.

Ron Paul will avoid the guesswork of designing name ID ads and rise above of the clutter of the other advertisers.

Here are excerpts from the Washington Times.

"There is a 16-deep field of candidates, interest groups and everybody else who want to buy ads.

This will force candidates to pay top dollar for TV ads over the holidays and soften their messages to avoid violating the serenity of the season."

"Attack ads don't necessarily blend well with Santa Claus and holiday cheer," said Steve McMahon, a Democratic media strategist who ran Howard Dean's presidential ad campaign in 2003 and 2004.

"The Federal Election Commission last week opened the way for corporations and unions to finance political ad campaigns in the closing days of an election, provided they focus on a public policy issue.

But those issue ads still can target a candidate, and campaign finance analysts are counting on a barrage to hit the Iowa and New Hampshire airwaves next month. The only question facing any independent group is whether there are enough time slots available for a 30-second or 60-second TV spot."

"There's not much of a window there between Christmas spirit and caucus battle," Mr. Goldford said. "There's a certain amount of guesswork because we haven't been in this position before."

Tim Albrecht, a spokesman for Republican Mitt Romney, said all the campaigns will work to design ads that stand out while remaining appropriate for the holiday season. "With the holiday ads and the added retailers, no doubt it's going to be a bit more cluttered this time than maybe years past," he said.

Campaign strategists say they worry more about turning off voters in Iowa, where attending caucuses requires effort and commitment.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071126/BUSINESS/111260048/1006/home.html

Taco John
11-27-2007, 04:19 AM
I love the blimp idea, with a caveat... We'll look like fools if we lose New Hampshire.

Primbs
11-27-2007, 09:58 AM
We shouldn't even be expected to win New Hampshire. We are behind in the polls.

Many other factors other than the blimp will be more important in winning New Hampshire.Some would like to scapegoat the blimp.

The official campaign's grassroots and get out the vote strategy will be more important than the blimp. The way the campaign handles all the supporters who contact the campaign and integrate them into various projects will determine who wins Iowa and New Hampshire.

The blimp is to get new people interested and to inspire our current voters and volunteers to volunteer and to vote and to cut through the campaign clutter.

TV and radio may have diminishing returns at a certain point and will be competing with the very best ads produced for commercial entities and other political campaigns.

Kombaiyashii
11-27-2007, 10:05 AM
oops

Man from La Mancha
11-27-2007, 10:06 AM
We shouldn't even be expected to win New Hampshire. We are behind in the polls.

Many other factors other than the blimp will be more important in winning New Hampshire.Some would like to scapegoat the blimp.

The official campaign's grassroots and get out the vote strategy will be more important than the blimp. The way the campaign handles all the supporters who contact the campaign and integrate them into various projects will determine who wins Iowa and New Hampshire.

The blimp is to get new people interested and to inspire our current voters and volunteers to volunteer and to vote and to cut through the campaign clutter.

TV and radio may have diminishing returns at a certain point and will be competing with the very best ads produced for commercial entities and other political campaigns.I don't know why people are so limited? There are enough of us to tackle many different projects and support different money donations and advertising things. 10 million of us are unstoppable. 10 million x $100 = 1 billion or any project. There are no limitations for those seeking FREEDOM!!!!
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http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1539/blackwsmalldv3.gif (teaparty07.com)ronpaulblimp.com...donate both

polomertz
11-27-2007, 10:18 AM
I think the blimp is a cool idea and if those who have already contributed the maximum to the official campaign want to contribute they should. We shouldn't, however, discourage or minimalize the people that are making efforts in other areas.
The blimp seems to have "taken off" here and actually looks like it doesn't need much more help from this forum anymore. We need to come up with MORE and MORE and MORE ideas. Keep 'em coming!

Man from La Mancha
11-27-2007, 10:22 AM
Yes , the blimp is power and the representation of large media companies. But till it's in the air we can't stop, some of those pledges will fail so aim for$400,000




http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1539/blackwsmalldv3.gif (teaparty07.com)ronpaulblimp.com...donate both

hillertexas
11-27-2007, 10:24 AM
I don't know why people are so limited? There are enough of us to tackle many different projects and support different money donations and advertising things. 10 million of us are unstoppable. 10 million x $100 = 1 billion or any project. There are no limitations for those seeking FREEDOM!!!!
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http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9435/blackwsmallyh7.gif (teaparty07.com)ronpaulblimp.com...donate both

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Primbs
11-27-2007, 11:06 AM
It will take all campaign operations working in coordination to win New Hampshire.

The blimp should be an integral part of that plan. Some TV, radio and more importantly targeting supervoters, grassroots projects and get out the vote will help Ron Paul win New Hampshire.

We have six weeks to get to double digits in the polls and to pull out a victory. Ron Paul is close to getting more than ten percent in the New Hampshire polls. Victory can be accomplished only by using innovative techniques such as a blimp.

Donate to the Blimp Now to insure Victory.

http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6I5zYu541Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADG448a4Qrk

AlexMerced
11-27-2007, 11:08 AM
we will be above 10% soon in NH, that's one thing I'm sure of, I was a nay sayer, but the pledges are in and the blimp look to be a go, I'll be excited to see the youtubing of the blimp

seapilot
11-27-2007, 11:59 AM
The blimp definitly is different and I too imagine most primary voters are numb by the campaign mail, phone calls and radio and tv advertisements.

You would not believe how many people know of Ron Paul just from people waving signs this past summer. Most people I ask know of him through this method. If the blimp is flown over high density population areas would be best for more eyes to see and cameras to caputure.

Nov 5th was different and proves we will win from doing things creative and outside the box, isnt that what most of us really want is for things to be done different in D.C? We wont know until we try if it was a bad idea or a good idea. Maybe all the other candidates will rent balloons after success with the blimp.

sgrooms
11-27-2007, 12:16 PM
is the blimp site down?

Dutch
11-27-2007, 12:17 PM
Looks like it

sgrooms
11-27-2007, 12:20 PM
An article about the blimp

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/25/ron-paul-supporters-promi_n_74007.html

I LOVE the last sentence.
"Really. Isn't it time to consider whether we might all be better off if we simply gave in to Ron Paul's demands?"

Primbs
11-27-2007, 12:23 PM
I would like to get to 20% or even 37% in Iowa or New Hampshire that past winners have had.

Matt Collins
11-27-2007, 12:42 PM
The blimp is a bad idea.
If you have not seen this link to know why it's a bad idea, please do so:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=40432&highlight=blimp





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Primbs
11-27-2007, 01:06 PM
Do you earn a commission as an advertiser?

Many TV and radio media placement firms get a 15% commission. The more ads they sell the more they make.

There is a place for TV and Radio, but it is good to have an integrated campaign using many different ways to connect to the voters.

TV and Radio ads will also be seen by people who cant vote or won't vote for Ron Paul.

There is also the problem of increasingly expensive TV and radio advertising as all the interest groups and candidates and retailers with very big budgets outbid each other to get the last available TV and Radio spots.

50% of the people who see the TV and radio ads will be unregistered voters.

50% of the registered voters will be Republicans. Now we down to 25% of the people. I hope they all turn out to vote.

Ron Paul might get half of those Republican voters. Now we are down to 12.5 % of the overall population.

Every type of advertising has its upside and downside.

At least the blimp will be attracting free media as it already has from blogs.

Truly targeted advertising is phone banking and direct persuasion mail to individuals. Radio and TV even on cable shows are not that targeted.

krott5333
11-27-2007, 01:10 PM
The blimp is a bad idea.
If you have not seen this link to know why it's a bad idea, please do so:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=40432&highlight=blimp

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:rolleyes:

nbhadja
11-27-2007, 01:25 PM
I would like to get to 20% or even 37% in Iowa or New Hampshire that past winners have had.

Lol we will never poll 37%. They will change the criteria for the polls to harm RP even more then. Polls don't matter, they are BS. They had Dean winning NH and the country. Didn't win anything. They had Kerry last place, Bill Clinton at 3% and Jimmy Carter at 1 %.

Primbs
11-27-2007, 01:54 PM
We need to be in the face of voters with a blimp, otherwise the media will start to report about the two frontrunners only
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I researched old poll results.

You could see Dean and Kerry were moving up and down in the polls. This is from 2004.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:TR32dmDQvc0J:americanresearchgroup. com/nhpoll/demtrack/+2004+new+hampshire+poll+results&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Bill Clinton wasn't at three percent as you suggest. Here is a New York Times article on the 1992 race.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE5DF1430F934A15752C0A9649582 60

Here are some Republican Stats. These polls can be in the ballpark of what actually happens.

However, many of our supporters may not participate in polls and use cell phones which polling companies do not call.


Jan 25 tracking poll.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/25/tracking.poll/

Jan 28 tracking poll.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/28/tracking.poll/

cjhowe
11-27-2007, 02:19 PM
Slogan for the Ron Paul Blimp...

"Would you trust one of these with Rudy's name on it?"

runderwo
11-27-2007, 02:40 PM
Slogan for the Ron Paul Blimp...

"Would you trust one of these with Rudy's name on it?"

Ehh... no. Leave the attack ads for television ;)

Primbs
12-14-2007, 01:26 PM
None of the other candidates are getting coverage of their TV ads. The blimp is getting all the attention.

Now we have our own Blimp TV channel on http://www.justin.tv/RonPaulBlimp

By monday we will have multiple blimp channels. Alert all the college campuses.

Let students for Ron Paul see this.

LibertyEagle
12-14-2007, 01:37 PM
The blimp does nothing at all to get out information on Paul's stances on the issues. Nothing at all.

It's great that some of you chose to pour your money into the blimp. But, this BS of saying that it is more important than other efforts, like TV ads, or someone even said donations to the Tea Party, has GOT TO STOP! :mad:

Support the blimp. Fine. But don't try to denounce other efforts. Earn the money on the blimp's own merits. Whatever they are.

Primbs
12-14-2007, 01:49 PM
We should try to coordinate some Justin tv blimp shows for issues and link them into the blimp. Maybe there is a something symbolic to fly over. Thomas Jefferson's Monticello is in Virginia and George Mason's house is right next I 95 going up the east coast.

We could stop by for the Thursday Midnight showing of National Treasure II at a large movie theater parking lot next week.

dspectre
12-14-2007, 01:49 PM
The blimp is a bad idea.
If you have not seen this link to know why it's a bad idea, please do so:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=40432&highlight=blimp





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I disagree. I respect your ideas, but this case I have to make an exception.

One of RP's challenges is name ID. Getting RP to become acceptable will encourage those people to vote, i.e. the crowd that believes if you waste your vote unless the candidate can win. I think a lot of people are so apathetic and
disgusted with politics that even if you could intellectual show that RP is the
right candidate for them, they would think it is a wasted vote because the system
is rigged.

The blimp represents change and will get him name ID. Is it a risk? yes, but the only way for him to differentiate himself and get name ID is to think of novel ideas outside the box.

traitorist
12-14-2007, 01:51 PM
Support the blimp. Fine. But don't try to denounce other efforts. Earn the money on the blimp's own merits. Whatever they are.

STFU LibertyEagle. I see PLENTY of posts of yours denouncing others' efforts with their Ron Paul projects.

And with nearly 10,000 posts, it's clear that's all you do is sit here on the forums and enjoy giving your opinion on how everyone should listen to "you" and how "you" would run the grassroots campaign.

GTFO and do something.

Primbs
12-14-2007, 04:13 PM
One million a day is being spent on advertising in Iowa and New Hampshire.

It may go up to two million dollars a day in TV advertising.

Ron Paul needs a blimp to compete.
http://adage.com/campaigntrail/post?article_id=122626


New York Times. More big blimp coverage.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/the-blimp-is-up/

francisco
12-14-2007, 04:21 PM
The blimp does nothing at all to get out information on Paul's stances on the issues. Nothing at all.

It's great that some of you chose to pour your money into the blimp. But, this BS of saying that it is more important than other efforts, like TV ads, or someone even said donations to the Tea Party, has GOT TO STOP! :mad:

Support the blimp. Fine. But don't try to denounce other efforts. Earn the money on the blimp's own merits. Whatever they are.

Liberty,

No one is denouncing other efforts. The whole point of the Blimp is to generate publicity and name recognition to inspire voters to take a deeper look. The Blimp gets new eyes to learn more and become new supporters. The blimp magnifies the return on the investments made on the more detailed, issue-oriented outreach vehicles.

Primbs
12-14-2007, 04:29 PM
There are probably over 100 stories. There is a blimp media tracker. Some are reporting just on the Dec 16 money bomb, but they got a press release about the blimp.

Because there is a blimp, there are more stories about the Dec 16th money bomb.

The blimp is promoting two stories at once.

Wyurm
12-14-2007, 05:33 PM
Liberty,

No one is denouncing other efforts. The whole point of the Blimp is to generate publicity and name recognition to inspire voters to take a deeper look. The Blimp gets new eyes to learn more and become new supporters. The blimp magnifies the return on the investments made on the more detailed, issue-oriented outreach vehicles.

Not only that, but the blimp itself is a TV ad. Just look at all the mentions it has received so far, and that's just the beginning. So, lets remember that 1) there is no requirement to donate or support the blimp project. 2) it generates exponential publicity due to the fact that it is a first. Now if others try to duplicate it, they won't receive as much publicity. 3) It shows that we care enough to pay the high price of a blimp. 4) for those who don't like the blimp, there are tons of other projects of a more conventional nature. Why not get involved in those instead of trying to shoot down this one? The more methods of communication we have with the public, the better.

QuesoPantera
12-14-2007, 05:51 PM
There has already been a minute long piece on CNN. 15 seconds on FOX news. another CNN spot coming up in about 10 mins. They have been using it as their teaser before EVERY commercial break. That's over 5 mentions an hour. I don't think we really realize the subliminal power of that. THIS IS DAY 1!

This is genius, it is paying immediate dividends, and will inevitably lead to much more campaign dough than what we paid for it. Bravo to all of you

Cleaner44
12-14-2007, 05:52 PM
I love the blimp idea, with a caveat... We'll look like fools if we lose New Hampshire.

Just placing in the top 3 will be a shocker to the MSM.

Primbs
12-14-2007, 08:10 PM
We have two and half weeks to the Iowa caucus.

Huckabee is on the cover of Newsweek.

We seem to be in single digits in the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire. We will be out spent on TV commercials ten to one by other Republicans. That can tough to compete with.

I don't see how we will get attention unless we do the blimp. Candidates will soon be spending two million a day for TV commercials in Iowa.

Clinton is spending 275,000 a day on TV ads and losing.

Romney is spending 250,000 a day in the early states and falling in the polls.

Rudy is spending 150,000 a day in New Hampshire and losing.

Huckabee is spending 10,000 a day in Iowa and is in the lead.

The Ron Paul Blimp is spending 300,000 a month and getting noticed.

http://adage.com/campaigntrail/post?article_id=122626

Myerz
12-14-2007, 08:17 PM
Not If It Doesn't Get Back In The Air!!!

OferNave
12-15-2007, 01:08 AM
The greatest strength of the blimp is penetrating local media. National media is controlled, and is determined to shut us out, but there are thousands of local media stations and publications that tend to be far more objective and receptive to interesting events (relatively), and the blimp will get on every one of them as it passes near by. Think of it as a bottom-up national media campaign.