Tonight 10:15 ET Glenn Greenwald first speaking event post NSA/Snowden LIVE

[radiofriendly]

Tonight Glenn Greenwald speaks, via Skype, at 10:15 PM ET at his first major event since his Edward Snowden/NSA revelations. You can watch the event right here:
http://iroots.org/2013/06/28/live-video-glenn-greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-nsasnowden-1015pm-et/

The event, hosted by SOCIALISM 2013, will likely be used against his credibility by the establishment left and right. Let’s hope the American people can keep their eyes on the ball and focus on the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I wouldn’t hold my breath…

Senator Rand Paul speaks at an event in South Carolina at 6:30 PM ET. Watch here (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/313498-1).

[Nobexliberty]

Timezones suck!

[radiofriendly]

Live now. http://iroots.org/2013/06/28/live-video-glenn-greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-nsasnowden-1015pm-et/

[Carlybee]

Wow..he rocks...sadly probably has a big bullseye on his back.....now will the Obama lovers ever get that he is responsible for pushing a totalitarian regime...some seem to think the NSA just operates out there by itself with no executive oversight or knowledge. Similarly, Bush had us headed in a fascist direction. Will people realize that both Dem and Republican members of Congress condone this?

[Warlord]

is someone taping it ?

[angelatc]

Not tuning into a socialist program.

[Thor]

tube?

[Warlord]

Not tuning into a socialist program.

Agreed. The conference is sponsored by the American Trotskyite association. Bit much even for this humble Warlord and former supporter of the Socialist Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

[Carson]

So? What did he say when I said, "What did he say?"

Any Youtube or Podcast?

[Nobexliberty]

That would replace comedy central if i would not be asleep, is it bad i think its funny when statist talk?

[HOLLYWOOD]

FYI... new illegal Nazi operations
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[better-dead-than-fed]

A socialist who condones unequal protection under the 1st Amendment, in favor of big-media.

http://ablogonpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/who-should-be-allowed-to-violate.html

[tangent4ronpaul]

audio is supposedly up but not playing for me:

http://iroots.org/2013/06/28/live-video-glenn-greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-nsasnowden-1015pm-et/


quick google search. number of phone calls made:

worldwide: 12.3 Billion

USA: 3 billion

-t

[Carlybee]

I wasn't thrilled about the venue either and only caught the last few minutes. Basically in that segment anyway, he said that the reason there is no real investigative journalism here is that all the investigative journalists are terrified of the White House and fear reprisals on every level when they report on something "unsanctioned". Basically confirming what we have all known all along...state sponsored journalism.

[Carson]

audio is supposedly up but not playing for me:

http://iroots.org/2013/06/28/live-video-glenn-greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-nsasnowden-1015pm-et/

-t

Working on IE Explorer.

[Carson]

Not tuning into a socialist program.

It must be tough. That is all that is left. The openly socialist or the stealth version.

[better-dead-than-fed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uulv4ve6RJ8

The link to this video was provided by Greenwald: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/350833525165015040

[tangent4ronpaul]

Working on IE Explorer.

tried that two, and still nothing. However, they put it up a youtube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uulv4ve6RJ8&feature=youtu.be

-t

[better-dead-than-fed]

Sheep are sheep, whether it's the government's boots they're licking, or Greenwald's boots.

[limequat]

Scahill, wow that intro was sweet!

[limequat]

And great speech by Greenwald. It's nice to see him with a friendly audience.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Let's make sure we get this piece in Black n White for the Internet forever...


Jeremy Scahill,


Either we stand with the Whistle-Blowers and stand with the journalists, who are willing to put their own lives on the line. Their own reputations on the line, subject their families and love ones, to this conspiracy between the government and their 'Lapdog stenographers' posing as journalists, to come after him. You have to decide which side of the line you're on and, and, I wanta say very very clearly, particularly to the dingbat factory that is constantly attacking Glen Greenwald...



I stand with Glen Greenwald.

[anaconda]

Man crush.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Blocked by Greenwald on Twitter. What a coward.

[Warlord]

Scahill's dirty wars looks interesting... has something about U.S DEATH SQUADS in Afghanistan where they pump locals full of bullets then carefully remove them. Seesh. Check for listings it's on release around the US

[Warlord]

Obama's Dirty Wars:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?418288-Movie-Trailer-Obama-s-Dirty-Wars

Frank, this is being shown in Houston! Movie review please!

[Carlybee]

Sheep are sheep, whether it's the government's boots they're licking, or Greenwald's boots.


At least someone has the cojones to go up against the media blackout, and putting himself at risk by doing it.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Blocked by Greenwald on Twitter. What a coward.What?

[kcchiefs6465]

What?
Probably kept proposing questions of why he (Greenwald) shouldn't be charged under the Espionage Act while others are, if I had to guess.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Probably kept proposing questions of why he (Greenwald) shouldn't be charged under the Espionage Act while others are, if I had to guess.

Would be a good guess, but would that justify Greenwald's disgraceful cowardice? What a big fat baby.

[kcchiefs6465]

Would be a good guess, but would that justify Greenwald's disgraceful cowardice? What a big fat baby.
Lol. I knew it.

Ever heard the saying two wrongs don't make a right? You have this vision that Greenwald being charged would take the issue up to the SCOTUS and the law repealed. Occam already replied why that was absurd.

Mainly being, it wouldn't be repealed and if it were Congress would enact similar legislation soon thereafter.

You of all people trust a SCOTUS ruling?

[better-dead-than-fed]

Lol. I knew it.

Ever heard the saying two wrongs don't make a right? You have this vision that Greenwald being charged would take the issue up to the SCOTUS and the law repealed. Occam already replied why that was absurd.

Mainly being, it wouldn't be repealed and if it were Congress would enact similar legislation soon thereafter.

You of all people trust a SCOTUS ruling?

I'm not wedded to my original SCOTUS-will-fix-everything theory. My recent inquiries to Greenwald were benignly motivated, with due regard for the points you and others raised last time we discussed it (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419059-David-Gregory-to-Greenwald-Why-shouldn-t-you-be-charged-with-a-crime/page4) here. I'll post more once it's in a coherent form.

If Occam's view was valid, then the Constitution and rule-of-law are lost causes altogether.

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm not wedded to my original SCOTUS-will-fix-everything theory. My recent inquiries to Greenwald were benignly motivated, with due regard for the points you and others raised last time we discussed it here. I'll post more once it's in a coherent form.

If Occam's view was valid, then the rule-of-law is a lost cause altogether.
Well frankly that may be an accurate statement. I wouldn't say the rule of law is a lost cause, it is something to strive for. I'd say lawyers have manipulated any word saw fit with semantics and verbal copulation to equal what they believe the law ought to be regarding their motives.

I view the justice system at best flawed, at worst morally corrupt and bankrupt. Putting a man in prison, that is, possibly martyring a man for the cause hardly seems the action one should take. Glenn Greenwald isn't some hotshot of a reporter that everyone would rally behind. Let someone else be the guinea pig for change and to mark how much the people will tolerate.

I bumped the other thread by the way. In case people were unaware what we were talking about. OB had a flawless response. It would seem you want OB's response to come from Greenwald's mouth. I mean, why do you do that? You attacked Gunny on pointless semantics and beating dead horses and now this with Greenwald? Why?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419059-David-Gregory-to-Greenwald-Why-shouldn-t-you-be-charged-with-a-crime/page5

[better-dead-than-fed]

You attacked Gunny on pointless semantics and beating dead horses

Support your accusation with a link to evidence, or drop it, please.


It would seem you want OB's response to come from Greenwald's mouth.

That's a lot of speculation based on what little I have described of my communications with Greenwald.

[kcchiefs6465]

Support your claim with a link to evidence, or drop it, please.
I'll say this and drop it, "FDA definitions of GMO crop."

I just find it odd what gets you upset.

Not that the people are being spied on, though you could be upset about the issue and not say much, but that Greenwald hasn't been charged under the Espionage Act as many others have been unrightfully charged.

[better-dead-than-fed]

"FDA definitions of GMO crop."

And you saw those definitions as "pointless" in a discussion about FDA-regulation of GMO crops. There are points which you do not perceive, and you're overestimating your own comprehension


I just find it odd what gets you upset.

You tend to misinterpret the "motives, intent, feelings, and hopes" behind the character-strings appearing on your screen. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416020-The-Libertarian-Case-AGAINST-Mandatory-GMO-Labeling&p=5055642&viewfull=1#post5055642)

To read more about your dysfunction,

see this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?32994-There-are-no-trolls-here&p=363078&viewfull=1#post363078) ("Claiming someone to be a troll assumes you understand the intent of the poster"); and
search "Eliza effect".

[kcchiefs6465]

That's a lot of speculation based on what little I have described of my communications with Greenwald.
No it is not. I remember your post and I'll paraphrase "That isn't what Greenwald said" and, "Perhaps he should have just said that" referring to OB's response. The post seems edited or it was in another thread and I frankly don't care to look to find it.

You asked Greenwald why he is immune from prosecution for this Draconian 1917 law on twitter. Probably a lot of semanticist games.

OB already responded to your charge of why he wasn't charged. Your response was "Greenwald didn't say that" as if he is somehow obligated to give you a response you find acceptable.

You know what I am referring to.

[better-dead-than-fed]

You know what I am referring to.

Yes, I see that once again you're responding to internal stimuli blinding you from the actual character strings appearing on your screen. To read more about your dysfunction, search "Eliza effect".

[kcchiefs6465]

You have a lot of edited posts.

You wait until someone responds and edit the conversation. I've noticed the disclaimed "deleted" but if you are going to post conversation or discussions you've had with me, keep your soonly edited bullshit out of it. I should screen shot this conversation because in a few hours, if not quoted, it will be changed. You should at least let people know why.

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[better-dead-than-fed]

I should screen shot this conversation

"If you choose to dedicate yourself to me, you will be by no stretch the first; but that's on you." (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416020-The-Libertarian-Case-AGAINST-Mandatory-GMO-Labeling&p=5055642&viewfull=1#post5055642)

[kcchiefs6465]

"If you choose to dedicate yourself to me, you will be by no stretch the first; but that's on you." (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416020-The-Libertarian-Case-AGAINST-Mandatory-GMO-Labeling&p=5055642&viewfull=1#post5055642)
No, I'd rather distance. I have suspicions you are a pig and don't much like their breed.

I cut you slack upon reading your court documents which in all likelihood were manufactured, and your antics/semantics are annoying, not that I am the first person to think as much.

I find it all trivial. We can continue the circle jerk about the true definition of trivial or we can get down to questioning your true motives in wanting Glenn Greenwald charged with at least aiding and abetting.

Same as we could split hairs on the differences between FDA definitions with regard to GE and GMO foods as if no one knows what the fuck people are referring to.

You're very lawyerly. There is a compliment somewhere in there.

[better-dead-than-fed]

your true motives in wanting Glenn Greenwald charged with at least aiding and abetting.

Just more of your delusions about the "motives, intent, feelings, and hopes" behind the character-strings appearing on your screen. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419692-Tonight-10-15-ET-Glenn-Greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-NSA-Snowden-LIVE&p=5101649&viewfull=1#post5101649)


Same as we could split hairs on the differences between FDA definitions with regard to GE and GMO foods as if no one knows what the fuck people are referring to.

As if you have the slightest comprehension of anyone's interpretations besides your own, as you lose sight of the character-strings actually appearing on your screen.

[kcchiefs6465]

Just more of your psychotic theories about the "motives, intent, feelings, and hopes" behind the character-strings appearing on your screen. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419692-Tonight-10-15-ET-Glenn-Greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-NSA-Snowden-LIVE&p=5101649&viewfull=1#post5101649)
I know. Why I try my best not to talk to you DSM types. They'd edit posts and try to make mine seem particularly out of bounds. Limit my speech in court.. my explanations and reasoning. From what I've heard and read, right?

[kcchiefs6465]

Frankly, funny as it is, why the hell do you keep quoting that post? Lmao. Here I figured your sort went about and found something particularly out of context. That's how they do it right?

[better-dead-than-fed]

Frankly, funny as it is, why the hell do you keep quoting that post? Lmao. Here I figured your sort went about and found something particularly out of context. That's how they do it right?

So much for your ability to figure.

[better-dead-than-fed]

I try my best not to talk to you

So much for your best effort to control your own behavior.

[kcchiefs6465]

As if you have the slightest comprehension of anyone's interpretations besides your own, as you lose sight of the character-strings actually appearing on your screen.
Can you quit editing every single post? I forget or miss the thread and then your post is something completely out of context as to what we are talking about. Then you source it a month later.. it's at best unprofessional.

And I still don't know your point.

Please explain the relevance. DSM "Olivia"?

[kcchiefs6465]

Today 04:32 AM


Last edited by better-dead-than-fed; Today at 04:39 AM.
What was that?

[better-dead-than-fed]

What was that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing

[kcchiefs6465]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing
http://thesaurus.com/browse/disingenuous

[better-dead-than-fed]

Can you quit editing every single post? I forget or miss the thread and then your post is something completely out of context as to what we are talking about. Then you source it a month later.. it's at best unprofessional.

Why not simply use "Reply With Quote" instead of crying about me like a whipped bitch?

[kcchiefs6465]

Today 04:51 AM
Why not use "Reply With Quote" instead of crying about me like a whipped bitch?

Last edited by better-dead-than-fed; Today at 04:57 AM.

By the time I even get a chance to read your message you've changed it.

What was that you were saying about Greenwald?

A "big, fat, baby"? Motherfucker you can't keep a post straight. Wait, by the time I post this yours will have changed.

"Last edited" and a month or two later quoted as if I changed my position. Shifty.

[better-dead-than-fed]

By the time I even get a chance to read your message you've changed it.

What was that you were saying about Greenwald?

A "big, fat, baby"? Motherfucker you can't keep a post straight. Wait, by the time I post this yours will have changed.

So cry about me, but don't imagine you're the first.

[better-dead-than-fed]

"Last edited" and a month or two later quoted as if I changed my position. Shifty.

Because you'd rather cry than use "Reply With Quote".

[kcchiefs6465]

Because you'd rather make internet-drama than use "Reply With Quote".
By the time I see your post to reply with quote, you've changed it.

[better-dead-than-fed]

By the time I see your post to reply with quote, you've changed it.

Who's compelling you to obsess over text that you never saw? "If you choose to dedicate yourself to me, you will be by no stretch the first; but that's on you." (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419692-Tonight-10-15-ET-Glenn-Greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-NSA-Snowden-LIVE&p=5101657&viewfull=1#post5101657)

[kcchiefs6465]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1105561/yawning-cat-o.gif (http://gifsoup.com/view/1105561/yawning-cat.html)

[better-dead-than-fed]

Same as we could split hairs on the differences between FDA definitions with regard to GE and GMO foods as if no one knows what the fuck people are referring to.As if you have the slightest comprehension of anyone's interpretations besides your own, as you lose sight of the character-strings actually appearing on your screen.

And I still don't know your point.

It's still right here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416020-The-Libertarian-Case-AGAINST-Mandatory-GMO-Labeling&p=5056846&viewfull=1#post5056846

You might not care about every last letter in the FDA's definition of "GMO", but the courts do care, and so it is foolish to call the issue "pointless" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419692-Tonight-10-15-ET-Glenn-Greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-NSA-Snowden-LIVE&p=5101638&viewfull=1#post5101638), especially on a political forum. When a discussion doesn't interest you, or is over your head, why not sit it out instead of crying that it's "pointless" and acting like a bitch?

[kcchiefs6465]

It's still right here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416020-The-Libertarian-Case-AGAINST-Mandatory-GMO-Labeling&p=5056846&viewfull=1#post5056846

You might not care about every last letter in the FDA's definition of "GMO", but the courts do care, and so it is foolish to call the issue "pointless" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?419692-Tonight-10-15-ET-Glenn-Greenwald-first-speaking-event-post-NSA-Snowden-LIVE&p=5101638&viewfull=1#post5101638), especially on a political forum. When a discussion doesn't interest you, or is over your head, why not sit it out instead of crying that it's "pointless" and acting like a bitch?
And indeed, that is why Glenn Greenwald should martyr himself for a SCOTUS argument?

I am glad this didn't take 70 some odd pages for you to step down from your 'lawyerly' high horse and explain to us common folk the reasoning behind your goddamned veiled and by and large unimportant texts. (seemingly so)

We are making breakthroughs. Don't edit them out.

[tod evans]

Once I got past the grey-haired broad at the beginning I found the video worth watching.

No "new" information I could discern but well articulated opinions and insights..

[limequat]

better-than-dead-fed...take it somewhere else.

I don't believe that I'd have to defend Greenwald on this forum, so I'm not gonna bother. I - repped you for this.

[better-dead-than-fed]

better-than-dead-fed...take it somewhere else.

Cry it out. This is not Greenwald's-mindless-cheerleaders-forum.


One of the few standing up to leviathan... not a coward.

His blocking me on Twitter was a cowardly act.

[better-dead-than-fed]

And indeed, that is why Glenn Greenwald should martyr himself for a SCOTUS argument?

No you blathering jackass, I never said he should. That's what happens when you respond to your delusions instead of the actual letters on your screen.


the reasoning behind your goddamned veiled and by and large unimportant texts. (seemingly so)

Why do you have such a shameless hard-on for "unimportant texts"? Who but an imbecile would care about them? You never answered this:


only an obsessive buffoon would trip head over heels for character-strings he perceives as "vague and meaningless bullshit". If you choose to dedicate yourself to me, you will be by no stretch the first; but that's on you.

Why not?

[amonasro]

No you blathering jackass, I never said he should. That's what happens when you respond to your delusions instead of the actual letters on your screen.

Well no wonder he blocked you. You seem like a super fun and engaging type of guy.

[Thor]

This message is hidden because better-dead-than-fed is on your ignore list.

I learned back in the Monsanto GMO thread. Troll.

[Carlybee]

Cry it out. This is not Greenwald's-mindless-cheerleaders-forum.



His blocking me on Twitter was a cowardly act.

I would've blocked your ass too

[better-dead-than-fed]

I would've blocked your ass too

Really, you would have done the exact opposite: You would have lavished attention on me in violation of the Usage Guidelines (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989-Usage-Guidelines).



Pointless to have reasonable discourse with you.You keep saying that.


Usage Guidelines...

+ No insulting, antagonizing or personally attacking other users.

[better-dead-than-fed]

I learned back in the Monsanto GMO thread. Troll.


In many forums there are often individuals who decry others as "troll" and the like. While this may be mildly entertaining and accurate, there are often problems with this tactic to maintaining good community decorum.

My personal philosophy is that there are no trolls, there is just troll behavior. Claiming someone to be a troll assumes you understand the intent of the poster, in our case here, if they are truly a supporter of Dr. Paul or not.


Usage Guidelines...

+ No insulting, antagonizing or personally attacking other users.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989-Usage-Guidelines


Accusations of being a troll are highly offensive to me, even when they are not directed at me. Its basically saying "F___ You"... I think people should get a verbal warning or when they call someone a troll and a suspension if it continues. Then, a ban if it continues after that.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Well no wonder he blocked you. You seem like a super fun and engaging type of guy.

Did you see the actual character-strings Greenwald was responding to on Twitter, or you thought you'd just join the choir of useful idiots singing about me here?

[Occam's Banana]

If Occam's view was valid, then the Constitution and rule-of-law are lost causes altogether.

Only if one accepts the following premises:
(1) SCOTUS is rightfully the final arbiter of that which is and is not Constitutional, and
(2) deference to SCOTUS decisions is the meter by which Rule of Law is to be measured.

I absolutely and categorically reject both premises.

While it may indeed be true that the Constitution and the Rule of Law as they currently stand (or, more precisely, fail to stand) are "lost causes altogether," that is contingent upon (among other things) acquiescence and obeisance to SCOTUS as an overweening rubber-stamp for the Feds. It does not follow that this must necessarily be the case.