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tangent4ronpaul
06-28-2013, 11:52 AM
Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows
President Correa revokes Snowden's temporary travel document amid concerns WikiLeaks founder is 'running the show'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/28/edward-snowden-ecuador-julian-assange



The plan to spirit the surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden to sanctuary in Latin America appears to be unravelling amid tension between Ecuador's government and Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

President Rafael Correa halted an effort to help Snowden leave Russia amid concern Assange was usurping the role of the Ecuadoran government, according to leaked diplomatic correspondence published on Friday.

Amid signs Quito was cooling with Snowden and irritated with Assange, Correa declared invalid a temporary travel document which could have helped extract Snowden from his reported location in Moscow.

Correa declared that the safe conduct pass issued by Ecuador's London consul – in collaboration with Assange – was unauthorised, after other Ecuadorean diplomats privately said the WikiLeaks founder could be perceived as "running the show".

According to the correspondence, which was obtained by the Spanish-language broadcaster Univision and shared with the Wall Street Journal, divisions over Assange have roiled Ecuador's government.

Ecuador's ambassador to the US, Nathalie Cely, told presidential spokesman Fernando Alvarado that Quito's role in the drama was being overshadowed by the WikiLeaks founder, who has sheltered in Ecuador's London embassy for the past year to avoid extradition.

"I suggest talking to Assange to better control the communications. From outside, [Assange] appears to be running the show."

Earlier this week a senior foreign diplomat in Quito told the Guardian that some – though not all – factions in the government were annoyed with what they saw as Assange grandstanding.

In a message attributed to Assange sent to Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, and other top officials, the WikiLeaks founder apologised "if we have unwittingly [caused] Ecuador discomfort in the Snowden matter." The note continued: "There is a fog of war due to the rapid nature of events. If similar events arise you can be assured that they do not originate in any lack of respect or concern for Ecuador or its government."

Assange appears to have had a strong role in obtaining the travel document for Snowden, dated 22 June which bore the printed name, but not signature, of the London consul, Fidel Narvaez, a confidante. By mid-week Narvaez was reportedly in Moscow.

The document could have helped Snowden, whose US passport has been revoked, leave the transit lounge of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport where he has reportedly holed up since fleeing Hong Kong last weekend.

On Thursday, Correa, who previously has hailed Snowden for exposing US spying, and has earned kudos for defying Washington pressure over the affair, reduced Snowden's chances of making it to Quito.

At a press conference the president declared the travel document invalid and said Ecuador would not consider an asylum request unless Snowden reached Ecuadorean territory, an increasingly remote prospect.

"The situation of Mr Snowden is a complex situation and we don't know how he will solve it."

Correa did however ramp up defiance of the US by waiving preferential trade rights to thwart what officials called Washington "blackmail". Analysts said Correa, an economist who specialised in game theory, had so far skilfully extracted political capital from the saga without drawing US retaliation.

In a TV interview on Friday, Snowden's father said said he was worried about the involvement of WikiLeaks. "I don't want to put him in peril, but I am concerned about those who surround him," Lonnie Snowden told NBC.

"I think WikiLeaks, if you've looked at past history … their focus isn't necessarily the constitution of the United States. It's simply to release as much information as possible."

Snowden said he did not believe his son had betrayed his country. "At this point, I don't feel that he's committed treason. He has broken US law, in a sense that he has released classified information. And if folks want to classify him as a traitor, in fact he has betrayed his government. But I don't believe that he's betrayed the people of the United States."

Snowden said he had told US attorney general Eric Holder through his lawyer that his son might return home if he would not be detained before trial, could choose the location for his trial and would not be subjected to a gag order. It was not clear that Lonnie Snowden was communicating his son's views, as he also said they had not spoken since April.

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Warlord
06-28-2013, 11:54 AM
He's got other options. Probably Venezuela

tangent4ronpaul
06-28-2013, 11:54 AM
Hong Kong to Snowden: You're not coming back
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/28/edward-snowden-nsa-hong-kong/2471415/

HONG KONG — With U.S. officials continuing to snipe at Hong Kong for not arresting former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, and with his next stop still far from certain, one place he won't be returning to is Hong Kong.

The city has now declared it won't let him back in.

Hong Kong's immigration department said late Thursday that it had told all airlines serving the city that they should not carry Snowden back as he would not be allowed entry after the department belatedly received notice that the U.S. had cancelled his passport.

Snowden left Hong Kong for Moscow on an Aeroflot flight last Sunday and is believed still to be in the transit area of the Moscow airport.

"Under the laws of Hong Kong, a passenger coming to Hong Kong must possess a valid travel document," the immigration department said.

The news came as American officials suggested Hong Kong's effort to join the list of places with visa-free access to the U.S. would be set back by the failure to stop Snowden despite a U.S. arrest warrant.

"These issues have an impact when we have a breakdown on cooperation on such a key issue," Patrick Ventrell, a State Department spokesman, said Tuesday. U.S. Consul General Stephen Young meanwhile told Reuters on Thursday that he had "spent three years working for a good relationship between Hong Kong and the U.S. and we've had a loss of trust at this point."

Hong Kong officials have reacted indignantly to suggestions by their American counterparts that they feigned confusion over inconsistencies in Snowden's name on different U.S. documents as a pretext to let him go.

C.Y. Leung, the Beijing-appointed head of the government, said on Thursday: "It was not a pretext at all. We were just abiding by a very fundamental principle of procedural justice and fairness."

Hong Kong, meanwhile, continues to prod the U.S. for answers on Snowden's claims that the NSA has been hacking into computer systems in the city. "We are very disappointed" not to have received any answers, Lai Tung-kwok, the secretary for security, told legislators on Wednesday. "We hope the U.S. government will as soon as possible give a full answer and explanation to Hong Kong people."

Separately Friday, Edward Snowden's father has reportedly informed the Justice Department that his son may return home if the conditions were to his liking. Lonnie Snowden made the comments to NBC.

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dannno
06-28-2013, 12:00 PM
ICELAND ICELAND ICELAND ICELAND

A Son of Liberty
06-28-2013, 12:10 PM
Few resist the fiery gaze of the all seeing eye in Mordor on the Potomac.

Snowden needs a Frodo... but then, don't we all?

thoughtomator
06-28-2013, 12:15 PM
He should try to assume a new identity and just melt away.

HOLLYWOOD
06-28-2013, 12:31 PM
The tentacles of the Fascist World Octopus has made it clear, they will destroy any country that harbors Snowden. Whether it be by seizure of financial assets, covert infiltration operations to assassinate current governments, or bombing the shit out of the country.


Washington DC via the US State Department, just sends out a short video clip of the past 10 years of US foreign operations to all country thinking of giving Snowden Amnesty. Invasions, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Panama, Honduras, El Salvador, Kosovo, et al. Little film clip of Saddam hanging, Qaddafi Analized, Mubarak sick in a jail cell, JFK, bombing children, kill list of Americans. etc.

This is how it's done.

fearthereaperx
06-28-2013, 12:36 PM
he probably shouldn't have hooked up with Assange. Now his days are numbered.

tangent4ronpaul
06-28-2013, 12:37 PM
ICELAND ICELAND ICELAND ICELAND

I haven't heard anything about Iceland past that he would have to come to Iceland for them to consider that.


He should try to assume a new identity and just melt away.

For someone that claims to have lists of all CIA stations, etc., you would think the guy would know where to find a forger.

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Tod
06-28-2013, 12:41 PM
Oh, come on, Ecuador.....how can Assange be running the show? All you have to do is say, "sit down and shut up or we will turn you over to the US"

tangent4ronpaul
06-28-2013, 12:47 PM
Oh, come on, Ecuador.....how can Assange be running the show? All you have to do is say, "sit down and shut up or we will turn you over to the US"

Bribes (foreign aid) and threats of economic sanctions...

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Occam's Banana
06-28-2013, 12:51 PM
He should try to assume a new identity and just melt away.

How do we know he hasn't?


For someone that claims to have lists of all CIA stations, etc., you would think the guy would know where to find a forger.

How do we know he hasn't?

tod evans
06-28-2013, 12:55 PM
How do we know he hasn't?



How do we know he hasn't?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwhxeaVfk3s

Philhelm
06-28-2013, 12:55 PM
Few resist the fiery gaze of the all seeing eye in Mordor on the Potomac.

Snowden needs a Frodo... but then, don't we all?

Snowden is Frodo. He needs King Aragorn and the armies of Gondor and Rohan.

jbauer
06-28-2013, 12:59 PM
For all we know he's already dead. Plain and simple he should of set up his travel plans and been in a country he wasn't planning on leaving before they released the information.

angelatc
06-28-2013, 01:00 PM
ICELAND ICELAND ICELAND ICELAND
Iceland's new president is a lot more friendly toward the US than the old one was.

This is bad news.

Carlybee
06-28-2013, 01:08 PM
The US has a protectionism treaty with Iceland...ie military protection if they are ever invaded. I dont see them breaking that for Snowden. Best bet would probably be someone who hates us like N.Korea...sad but true. Iceland is a member of NATO. I think we also have a tax treaty with them.