PDA

View Full Version : Can Snowden Occupy a Vacant Cabin in a Snowstorm?




Keith and stuff
06-27-2013, 12:21 PM
Can Snowden Occupy a Vacant Cabin in a Snowstorm?
Douglas French · June 26, 2013
http://lfb.org/blog/can-snowden-occupy-a-vacant-cabin-in-a-snowstorm/


When it comes to the NSA leaks and Edward Snowden, government has circled the wagons. Whether Democrat or Republican, the folks doing the people’s business have one view and the people see it differently. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was booed and interrupted by liberal attendees at the Netroots Nation conference on Saturday.

Netroots Nation is a convention for progressive political leaders. Pelosi, a darling of those on the left, was the keynote speaker at the event. But her pro-surveillance, anti-Snowden remarks incited the crowd. ”We’re listening to our progressive leaders who are supposed to be on our side of the team saying it’s OK for us to get targeted” for online surveillance, said Jana Thrift of Eugene, Ore. “It’s crazy. I don’t know who Nancy Pelosi really is.”

We know who Nancy Pelosi is. She’s an authoritarian. She isn’t for freedom, or the people, she represents authority. She’s all for the government spying on us and taking lots of our money to do so. Like most in Washington she believes she knows what’s best for us. Americans should be on a “need to know” basis to keep us safe in Pelosi’s world.

Those on the right are just as bad. “Either you’re with us or you’re against us,” Senator John McCain told BBC anchor Freddie Lyon last week, “and clearly the nation of Hong Kong is against us. By harboring this known cybercriminal [Snowden] they pose a clear and present danger to the American people.

“I don’t want to hear about extradition or rendition or any of that nonsense. This man is a traitor and if we don’t get him within 24 hours I say we need to start bombing the hell out of Hong Kong.”

The goods news is we can breath a collective sigh of relief this guy wasn’t elected President in 2008. Bomb Hong Kong? Really?

Now that Snowden has flown to Russia, Senator Chuck Schumer is seeing a red conspiracy. “What’s really infuriating is Prime Minister [Vladimir] Putin of Russia aiding and abetting Snowden’s escape,” Schumer said on CNN. “I have a feeling a hand in Beijing was involved here.”

But the American people don’t see eye-to-eye with their elected officials. Some 60 percent of Americans aged 18 to 29 believe Edward Snowden has performed a public service. According to Yahoo! News, “People who identify themselves as tea partyers believe the release of this information is in the public interest by a 56 to 39 percent margin. An almost identical segment of liberals – 57 to 38 percent – say the same.”

Judging from these polls, a good number of Americans on the left and the right, if given the opportunity, would likely help Snowden avoid the authorities. I can tell you for sure that had Edward Snowden found his way to Rogers Campground in Lancaster, New Hampshire last week during Porcfest, he would have been safe and sound. He would have been ably protected by dozens of armed individuals and well fed with an ingenious concoction that Michael Bloomberg would love to ban, called a Rick Roll (an omelete wrapped in a pancake, wrapped in a bacon weave).

http://mandrik.com/pfest2013/8%20weaves.jpg

There was no debate at Porcfest whether Snowden was a hero or traitor, it wasn’t a question. Snowden’s disclosure that the government is keeping tabs on all of us was heroic and gutsy, for sure, but it was really just the common sense right thing to do.

University of Colorado philosophy professor Michael Huemer made the case at Porcfest that it’s best to defend liberty with common sense. Libertarians will not attract followers using economic arguments or appeals to abstract theories about the nature of morality. He said people don’t like economists and, the minute a freedom evangelist lets “non-aggression axiom” leave their lips he or she has lost the listener’s attention.

Huemer is young, smart and an engaging speaker. He explained the rhetorical superiority of common sense that puts statists on the defensive. It’s uncontroversial that stealing is wrong, that murder is wrong, that prohibiting drug use is wrong. Yet, the state is given special moral status that allow it to tax (steal), wage war (murder), and dictate what we can ingest in our own bodies. These simple examples are what need to be pointed out...


- See more at: http://lfb.org/blog/can-snowden-occupy-a-vacant-cabin-in-a-snowstorm/

Ranger29860
06-27-2013, 01:10 PM
What the hell is the name of the food that's in the picture and how the hell do I make it!

Keith and stuff
06-27-2013, 01:16 PM
What the hell is the name of the food that's in the picture and how the hell do I make it!

The guy that makes the Rick Roll didn't have any photos of it. So I substituted it with a photo of 8 Bacon weave omelets being made at once. Here is a photo of the finished product.
http://mandrik.com/pfest2013/bacon-weave-omelet.jpg

Here is the website of the chef. He knows how to make it. I don't but judging by the 2 photos, I have some idea. http://mandrik.com/

mad cow
06-27-2013, 03:36 PM
“I don’t want to hear about extradition or rendition or any of that nonsense. This man is a traitor and if we don’t get him within 24 hours I say we need to start bombing the hell out of Hong Kong.”


Speechless.

Well,he's been in Moscow for over 24 hours Hoss,when does the bombing start?

YesI'mALiberal
06-27-2013, 03:52 PM
Speechless.

Well,he's been in Moscow for over 24 hours Hoss,when does the bombing start?

You should be speechless - that someone with a blog could fall hook, line and sinker for a SATIRE and repeat it as truth. Maybe the companion article, "Pope Benedict Comes Out As Gay" should have tipped Douglas "Kick Me" French off.

bolil
06-27-2013, 03:58 PM
You should be speechless - that someone with a blog could fall hook, line and sinker for a SATIRE and repeat it as truth. Maybe the companion article, "Pope Benedict Comes Out As Gay" should have tipped Douglas "Kick Me" French off.

Yes, because we know how adverse John "Turnt Out" McCain is to bombing. Can't you google? That is an actual, unequivocal quote, from and actual piece of murdering trash.

mad cow
06-27-2013, 04:09 PM
You should be speechless - that someone with a blog could fall hook, line and sinker for a SATIRE and repeat it as truth. Maybe the companion article, "Pope Benedict Comes Out As Gay" should have tipped Douglas "Kick Me" French off.

Well,that was embarrassing,I hope the Rick Rolls are real.

YesI'mALiberal
06-27-2013, 04:11 PM
Yes, because we know how adverse John "Turnt Out" McCain is to bombing. Can't you google? That is an actual, unequivocal quote, from and actual piece of murdering trash.

That is an actual, unequivocal SEND-UP, and you are an actual, unequivocal rube.

Here is the source, The Currant (a satirical site like The Onion): http://dailycurrant.com/2013/06/10/john-mccain-calls-for-invasion-of-hong-kong/

But better yet - FAR better - try this one: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417375-McCain-calls-for-invasion-of-Hong-Kong-SATIRE

RM918
06-27-2013, 04:23 PM
That is an actual, unequivocal SEND-UP, and you are an actual, unequivocal rube.

Here is the source, The Currant (a satirical site like The Onion): http://dailycurrant.com/2013/06/10/john-mccain-calls-for-invasion-of-hong-kong/

But better yet - FAR better - try this one: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417375-McCain-calls-for-invasion-of-Hong-Kong-SATIRE

I thought that was a little TOO crazy even for John McCain, and that's saying a lot. But I can't blame anyone for falling for it after he did this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

green73
06-27-2013, 04:28 PM
The guy that makes the Rick Roll didn't have any photos of it. So I substituted it with a photo of 8 Bacon weave omelets being made at once. Here is a photo of the finished product.
http://mandrik.com/pfest2013/bacon-weave-omelet.jpg

Here is the website of the chef. He knows how to make it. I don't but judging by the 2 photos, I have some idea. http://mandrik.com/

That is the most delicious looking thing I have ever seen.

green73
06-27-2013, 04:29 PM
Nice to know Doug French is still alive.

Keith and stuff
06-27-2013, 04:32 PM
That is the most delicious looking thing I have ever seen.

Come to the Keenvention in Keene, New Hampshire this Novemeber. Let me know you are coming and I'll be sure he makes you 1.

http://keenevention.info/

http://mandrik.com/pfest2013/bacon-weave-omelet.jpg

dannno
06-27-2013, 04:35 PM
That is an actual, unequivocal SEND-UP, and you are an actual, unequivocal rube.

Here is the source, The Currant (a satirical site like The Onion): http://dailycurrant.com/2013/06/10/john-mccain-calls-for-invasion-of-hong-kong/

But better yet - FAR better - try this one: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417375-McCain-calls-for-invasion-of-Hong-Kong-SATIRE


I fell for it, I couldn't stop laughing, and I don't really care whether he actually said it or not. Doesn't matter.

dannno
06-27-2013, 04:42 PM
Come to the Keenvention in Keene, New Hampshire this Novemeber. Let me know you are coming and I'll be sure he makes you 1.

http://keenevention.info/

http://mandrik.com/pfest2013/bacon-weave-omelet.jpg


Here's a cool article about it:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/05/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp


His baklava is really god damn delicious too..

Occam's Banana
06-28-2013, 01:31 AM
That is an actual, unequivocal SEND-UP, and you are an actual, unequivocal rube.

You really need to learn the meanings of words before you use them. It might help save you from making yourself look like a fool.

un·e·quiv·o·cal /ˌəniˈkwivəkəl/ adjective
Leaving no doubt; unambiguous: "an unequivocal answer".
Synonyms: unambiguous - definite - clear - distinct - explicit

Unequivocality is antithetical to satire. Hence, "unequivocal satire [or 'send-up']" is oxymoronic and nonsensical.

John "bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb Iran" McCain is a vicious, barking brute. The idea that he might threaten the bombing of Hong Kong over l'affaire Snowden is so close to the truth of his character that it is eminently believable that he might have said such a thing. Whether he actually did so or not is practically irrelevant. Douglas French did nothing more than many other intelligent & perceptive people do vis-a-vis clever, well-crafted satire - he "fell for it." He did so precisely because it is so plausible.

YesI'mALiberal
06-28-2013, 02:18 AM
You really need to learn the meanings of words before you use them. It might help save you from making yourself look like a fool.



First, you need to read in context so you will note that I simply echoed the words from the post ahead of mine. Second, you're the fool. You have to be utterly gullible to believe that John McCain would say that in an interview. He's done no such thing. As for his "bomb, bomb, Iran" - if you don't understand the difference between a joke told when he's unaware he's speaking to the world and an actual thought-out statement to an interviewer, you're more the fool.

In the words of one esteemed RPFer,
lol @ mods having to put [SATIRE]

And, I leave you with this thought (can't see any way to embed, sorry): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0

amy31416
06-28-2013, 04:15 AM
Why is a liberal going nuts defending McCain?

Occam's Banana
06-28-2013, 04:28 AM
First, you need to read in context so you will note that I simply echoed the words from the post ahead of mine.

You did not. The post ahead of yours merely said, "Well, that was embarrassing. I hope the Rick Rolls are real."

(And what is more, it did not bungle the meaning of any of the words it employed.)


Second, you're the fool. You have to be utterly gullible to believe that John McCain would say that in an interview. He's done no such thing. As for his "bomb, bomb, Iran" if you don't understand the difference between a joke told when he's unaware he's speaking to the world and an actual thought-out statement to an interviewer, you're more the fool.

Oh, I understand the difference perfectly. I understand that a "joke told when he's unaware he's speaking to the world" is likely to be a far better & much more accurate measure of the kind of man McCain really is than any public-relations-minded "though-out statement to an interviewer" could ever be. John McCain has amply demonstrated a remarkable degree of bellicosity, both verbally (on and off the record) and policy-wise. Hence, the deceptive plausibility of the satire.

And coming as they do from someone unable to grasp (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416823-Why-I-think-Rand-Paul-will-do-better-in-2016-presidential-election-than-Ron-Paul&p=5061660&viewfull=1#post5061660) so simple a thing as the fact that Rand Paul was not referring to members of Congress when he said that the NSA/Verizon scandal was a "new shocking revelation" (along with the claim that such "cluelessness" on Rand's part would be a potent weapon against him in 2016), your glib accusations of "gullibility" and incomprehension on the part of others are vastly amusing.

Here's some advice: "... attend the beam in thine own."


In the words of one esteemed RPFer,

lol @ mods having to put [SATIRE]


Thank you for conceding the point. (Though given my experience with you, I expect that you don't even realize you have just done so.)