Internet Catches Texas Senate Altering Timestamp on Abortion Bill Vote

[Natural Citizen]

So...who goes to jail for this?

http://gawker.com/internet-catches-texas-senate-altering-timestamp-on-abo-584135789


PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION CHAPTER 37. PERJURY AND OTHER FALSIFICATION (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm)

[Carlybee]

They won't go to jail..they are the good ol boys...they think they are above the law.

[oyarde]

I am still trying to figure out how people can be so gleeful about an oppurtunity to kill a 21 week old fetus ......

[gwax23]

I am still trying to figure out how people can be so gleeful about an oppurtunity to kill a 21 week old fetus ......

Not that hard to figure out. They are sick individuals....

[Slutter McGee]

Not that hard to figure out. They are sick individuals....

I am still trying to figure out why either side fucking cares. You both have good arguments. Just shut up and let it be.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[Antischism]

Not surprised, nor would I be surprised if some people here defend this sort of cheating when it suits their views.

[Smart3]

I am still trying to figure out how people can be so gleeful about an oppurtunity to kill a 21 week old fetus ......

I'm still trying to figure out why you value the fetus at all.

"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living." - Ayn Rand

[tod evans]

They won't go to jail..they are the good ol boys...they think they are above the law.

Oh "they" are above the law, any doubt?

[tod evans]

I'm still trying to figure out why you value the fetus at all.


If on the off chance you ever have children of your own you'll rue the internet for never forgetting...

[asurfaholic]

If on the off chance you ever have children of your own you'll rue the internet for never forgetting...

This. What happens if the baby's father didn't want to lose the unborn? Maybe his father valued the life of the newly created human being.

Is it murder? Can he use force to protect the life? Is it not even allowed to let the baby decide? I'm sure he would have voted to live. Lets tally- mom "kill 'em.." Daddy - "I want to know and raise my child" and baby "!"

I'm not even sure rape pregnancies should be terminated. I had the pleasure of meeting a rape child- grew up a strong strong woman... She doesn't deserve the chance to live if the mother wants it dead?

[Matt Collins]

This is normal for these guys:






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i86USghaLE

[Occam's Banana]

I am still trying to figure out how people can be so gleeful about an oppurtunity to kill a 21 week old fetus ......

Where there's a will, there's a way.

For a perfect example of this, observe what Ayn Rand had to say:


"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living." - Ayn Rand

Get that? Unborn = nonliving.

Talk about destroying concepts and diluting meanings! :rolleyes:

[Antischism]

On the topic of Ayn Rand's views on abortion, she also said this:


Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a “right to life.” A piece of protoplasm has no rights—and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . .

Which she was right about.

[Origanalist]

I am still trying to figure out how people can be so gleeful about an oppurtunity to kill a 21 week old fetus ......

http://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2013/177/b73dd08f-ad5b-49e5-b51e-51d1a9b56dbd.jpg

[KEEF]

This is normal for these guys:
WOW! But it doesn't surprise me.







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i86USghaLE
I wonder what would happen if someone observing just stood up yelling "Hey, What the fuck...that dude just voted for that empty chair." Man that would be one epic episode on CSPAN.

[KEEF]

So...who goes to jail for this?

http://gawker.com/internet-catches-texas-senate-altering-timestamp-on-abo-584135789


PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION CHAPTER 37. PERJURY AND OTHER FALSIFICATION (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm)

What was up with this comment to the article? I cannot believe it was voted up 174 times?


FlowbeeBryant (http://flowbeebryant1.kinja.com/)
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Just want to remind everyone that anyone who still goes around claiming that "democrats and republicans are the same" is an uninformed idiot. Yesterday 9:27am (http://gawker.com/just-want-to-remind-everyone-that-anyone-who-still-goes-584468872)

To maybe correct her statement to this..."Just want to remind everyone that anyone who falls for these distracting democrat/republican partisan arguments is an uninformed idiot who is not keeping their eyes on what is really happening to our country (more pointless war, NSA, Etc.)"

[tod evans]

http://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2013/177/b73dd08f-ad5b-49e5-b51e-51d1a9b56dbd.jpg

And just how many of those pictured would you impregnate? :eek:

[shane77m]

Having a child of my own has really helped to solidify my stance on abortion. It takes a truly sick individual to murder the unborn. I also believe that the mothers should be brought up on murder charges as well as everyone at the facility where they take place.

Remember folks, eugenics is good.

[Origanalist]

And just how many of those pictured would you impregnate? :eek:

Hopefully none. They would just brutally slaughter my child.

[jkr]

can iz killz tha baybees nowz?

[tod evans]

can iz killz tha baybees nowz?

Yup!

You too can move to Texas, maybe even get a job pulling partially developed parts of children from mothers who don't want them....

[edit]

Just think of how every time you plunked a severed arm or leg into the trash bucket how you'd be protecting these women..

Every time the hose slurped and gurgled with brain tissue headed for the collection tank these folks will be so grateful!

Government too! A substantial portion of your paycheck would come from the taxpayer coffers, so not only are you helping women you're supporting a benevolent government...

[KEEF]

And just how many of those pictured would you impregnate? :eek:

Yeah, most of them seem to be lacking in the scientifically proven 7:10 ratio that men find sexually attractive. That is a waistline 70% the size of the hips. :D

[Carlybee]

So because you think the bill should have passed, it was justified for them to alter the timestamp? Is that what I'm seeing here? Same type of tactics used in the conventions against the Paul delegates? Not to interrupt your conversation making fun of the way people look.

[angelatc]

The bill was deemed to have not passed, and there will be a special session to pass it and a couple others on July 1.

Like I said in the other thread, Illinois does this all the time, but it never makes the news because Illinois is a blue state. It is about time that the GOP started using a few of their bully tactic against them.

[Carlybee]

No Angela, two wrongs do not make a right because the Repubs will and have used similar tactics against liberty peope. There are specific rules of order that all participants are expected to observe.

[angelatc]

No Angela, two wrongs do not make a right because the Repubs will and have used similar tactics against liberty peope. There are specific rules of order that all participants are expected to observe.


I have no moral issues with using their tactics against them when the time comes, either. If we don't, we'll never win.

Make no mistake, I hate liberals. I don't care what it takes to quash them.

[Carlybee]

So you have no problem violating rules of order as long as it justifies your position? Why even have them then? How about everyone just show up with baseball bats and last man standing wins? If you are saying the only way to win is by cheating then you have bigger problems than issues.

[angelatc]

So you have no problem violating rules of order as long as it justifies your position? Why even have them then? How about everyone just show up with baseball bats and last man standing wins?


That's what it's going to come to anyway. No point in pretending otherwise.

The rules only matter when both sides play by them. The socialists will not hesitate to put a bullet in your head to make you stop crying about violating the rules.

[Carlybee]

Smdh

[Smart3]

If on the off chance you ever have children of your own you'll rue the internet for never forgetting...

I want ten children of my own actually.

[tod evans]

I want ten children of my own actually.

If you ever achieve your goal, try to remember to revisit your position then, and see if it hasn't changed.

[Smart3]

If you ever achieve your goal, try to remember to revisit your position then, and see if it hasn't changed.

I don't see any connection between these future planned pregnancies and unwanted unplanned pregnancies.

and I'm always deeply offended by the "just wait til you get older, you'll feel differently" bullshit.

I haven't changed any of my political positions over the years. I doubt I ever will. This issue is close to my heart, closer than most.

[tod evans]

I don't see any connection between these future planned pregnancies and unwanted unplanned pregnancies.

I wouldn't expect you to.

[Smart3]

I wouldn't expect you to.

I wouldn't expect you to be able to appreciate an unwanted pregnancy, as you'll never be pregnant.

No, you just want the government to enforce your own personal ethics.

[tod evans]

I wouldn't expect you to be able to appreciate an unwanted pregnancy, as you'll never be pregnant.

No, you just want the government to enforce your own personal ethics.

Lookie here pip-squeek, I simply offered you perspective based on experience and once again you try and ascribe thoughts and behaviors to me that I haven't voiced.

Get this through your thick skull;

I do not want government enforcing or paying for anything to do with fetuses/children/single mothers or intact families.

In my opinion the federal governments roles are very clearly spelled out in the constitution

[Smart3]

Lookie here pip-squeek, I simply offered you perspective based on experience and once again you try and ascribe thoughts and behaviors to me that I haven't voiced.

Get this through your thick skull;

I do not want government enforcing or paying for anything to do with fetuses/children/single mothers or intact families.

In my opinion the federal governments roles are very clearly spelled out in the constitution
Ok, so you're only personally against abortion, you don't want to change any laws - just minds?

[jmdrake]

On the topic of Ayn Rand's views on abortion, she also said this:



Which she was right about.

Ayn Rand also hated gays. I guess you should too.

[jmdrake]

I wouldn't expect you to be able to appreciate an unwanted pregnancy, as you'll never be pregnant.

No, you just want the government to enforce your own personal ethics.

Someone who doesn't want to be pregnant should be able to figure that out before 20 weeks go by.

[Smart3]

Ayn Rand also hated gays. I guess you should too.

Rand was one of the earliest defenders of the nascent LGBT movement.


Someone who doesn't want to be pregnant should be able to figure that out before 20 weeks go by.
I concur. Still, situations exist that make sense of such a late abortion.

For instance, if a woman is so poor - she can't actually pay for an abortion. Or if she can't arrange transit to another state. Or she finds out much later than most (I mean, there are those shows on TV where the woman didn't even know she was pregnant to begin with)

Considering the fact that most women who obtain abortions don't know Jack Shit about their bodies, is it any surprise they stupidly wait til 20-21 weeks? We should condemn them, but not send them to prison.

[tod evans]

Ok, so you're only personally against abortion, you don't want to change any laws - just minds?

Oh yes I do want to "change laws"!

I could start by repealing the last 50 years worth, give it a decade, if society didn't iron itself out repeal the previous 50 years worth!

This idea of writing "new and improved" legislation doesn't seem to be working well for anybody but government employees and lawyers.

[jmdrake]

Rand was one of the earliest defenders of the nascent LGBT movement.

Moral views

In 1971, Rand published The New Left, a collection of essays that attacked feminism and the sexual liberation movements, including the gay rights movement. Rand called them "hideous" for their demand for what she considered "special privileges" from the government. She addressed homosexuality in the course of an attack on feminism, stating that "[T]o proclaim spiritual sisterhood with lesbians... is so repulsive a set of premises from so loathsome a sense of life that an accurate commentary would require the kind of language I do not like to see in print."[1]

In response to questions from the audience at the two Ford Hall Forum lectures she gave at Northeastern University, Rand explained her views in more detail. In her 1968 lecture, she said, "I do not approve of such practices or regard them as necessarily moral, but it is improper for the law to interfere with a relationship between consenting adults."[2]

Harry Binswanger, of the Ayn Rand Institute writes that, while Rand generally condemned homosexuality, she would adopt a somewhat modified view of it "when she was in an especially good mood."[3] Further, intellectual heir Leonard Peikoff stated that there were people with whom Rand was "just as close, knowing full well that they were homosexual" and that "she certainly regarded some of them as Objectivists."[4]

[Smart3]

Moral views

In 1971, Rand published The New Left, a collection of essays that attacked feminism and the sexual liberation movements, including the gay rights movement. Rand called them "hideous" for their demand for what she considered "special privileges" from the government. She addressed homosexuality in the course of an attack on feminism, stating that "[T]o proclaim spiritual sisterhood with lesbians... is so repulsive a set of premises from so loathsome a sense of life that an accurate commentary would require the kind of language I do not like to see in print."[1]

In response to questions from the audience at the two Ford Hall Forum lectures she gave at Northeastern University, Rand explained her views in more detail. In her 1968 lecture, she said, "I do not approve of such practices or regard them as necessarily moral, but it is improper for the law to interfere with a relationship between consenting adults."[2]

Harry Binswanger, of the Ayn Rand Institute writes that, while Rand generally condemned homosexuality, she would adopt a somewhat modified view of it "when she was in an especially good mood."[3] Further, intellectual heir Leonard Peikoff stated that there were people with whom Rand was "just as close, knowing full well that they were homosexual" and that "she certainly regarded some of them as Objectivists."[4]
I've got the same view, even the change when I'm in a good mood.

[Carlybee]

Wow did this thread get off track. Its about the falsification of the time a vote was taken, not whether or not you supprt the bill. If you believe that because you think the bill should pass that its okay to cheat then you must think its okay for every bill regardless which side you support. Ultimately its about integrity with regard to honoring the rules of order and whether or not you hold the voting on some issues to a lower standard than others. They got caught redhanded and in a very public manner. They made themselves look bad and the process rigged. All it will do is fire up the opponents even more when they vote on it again.

[asurfaholic]

Yea.. That part is really screwed up. It's never alright to cheat in order to win.

[Natural Citizen]

This is normal for these guys:






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i86USghaLE



Aside from that, the altering of the timestamp relative to this vote is illegal. To continue to allow criminal processes from our representatives to go unchallenged welcomes it's continuation. Vote them out. All of them. That's my opinion on it if they are too big to prosecute.