You can always leave!

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s&feature=youtu.be

[heavenlyboy34]

hmmm...it seems we have an embed video fail here, captain. :(

[TheGrinch]

I think I've seen this before, but it's funny that what used to be the right's go-to line that the left hated, has now become their own. Go partisan politics!

[heavenlyboy34]

I think I've seen this before, but it's funny that what used to be the right's go-to line that the left hated, has now become their own. Go partisan politics!
Indeed! :D Amazing sometimes how people miss that obvious sleight of hand...until you talk to them. Boobus fail. :P

[Keith and stuff]

The animation uses the old version of the social contract that was at 1 time popular in France. It doesn't use the version of the social contract that is historically used and thought of in the US. In other words, the video assumes that people in the US and people likely to watch the video are more likely to understand the confused French Revolution version of the social contract instead of the American Revolution version of the social contract. On other words, the video assumes that freedom in America is completely screwed :( If that is true, thank God for the Free State Project and the people trying to actually bring freedom to the US. Also, I feel sorry for kids in high schools and colleges because they are being taught a laughable version of the social contract that is less than worthless.

[whippoorwill]

I think Rothbard would aprove.

[green73]

Here's what's referenced at the end.

Anatomy of the State (text (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard62.html))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVEBrEjE36k


The Politics of Obedience (text (http://mises.org/document/1218))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZO9_HVRLOo


But Wouldn't Warlords Take Over? (article (http://mises.org/daily/1855))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ak3TwNXA0w

[heavenlyboy34]

ok, vid works today. Good stuff. :)

[Occam's Banana]

Also, I feel sorry for kids in high schools and colleges because they are being taught a laughable version of the social contract that is less than worthless.

There is no version of the "social contract" that is not laughable and less than worthless.

[Acala]

There is no version of the "social contract" that is not laughable and less than worthless.

Exactly.

Social contract theory can be summarized in one of two ways: the slave's consent and the mobster's choice.

1. In the slave's consent there are three of us and two of us vote to enslave the third who voted against his enslavement. But because he voted he has consented. He would also have consented if he abstained from voting because he had the opportunity to vote and chose not to. So he is not a slave despite the chains and the whippings.

2. In the mobster's choice, the mobster tells the business owner "Pay the protection money or abandon your business and flee" knowing full well that all the other business districts are controlled by mobsters. Because the business owner stays, he consents to pay the protection money.

The only real consent or contract arises when the individual can choose on his own to stay right where he is without being forced to participate in government, but chooses to participate.

[Henry Rogue]

Why should I leave, they can Fing leave. Of course theye have the power of force on their side, so theye win that one. State is not the same as society. Theye are not talking about a social contract, theye are talking about a state contract. I think most social contracts are unspoken maybe even instinctive (like raise your children). Some are more tangible like money, that is a social promise to each other. I have seen this video a few years back i think.

[QuickZ06]

Great video, thanks for sharing.

[Keith and stuff]

There is no version of the "social contract" that is not laughable and less than worthless.

The American Revolution version is that the government is created to protect people and if it ever does anything other than that the US government has violated the social contract and the people are in their rights to destroy the US government. Hence the American Revolution.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Great video, thanks for sharing.

You are most certainly welcome.

[Occam's Banana]

The American Revolution version is that the government is created to protect people and if it ever does anything other than that the US government has violated the social contract and the people are in their rights to destroy the US government. Hence the American Revolution.

There is no American Revolution "version" of the "social contract." The American colonists revolted because Britian violated one too many of their rights (and they finally got fed up with it to the point of violent revolution). They did not possess these rights because they were party to any putative "social contract." Nor does the right of Americans (or anyone else) to overthrow their government and replace it with something else (or nothing at all) have anything whatsoever to do with any so-called "social contract."

The idea of "social contracts" is completely bogus. It is a floating abstraction attached to nothing. It is an utterly invalid concept. Not to put too fine a point on it, but (as Penn & Teller might say) "social contracts" are bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqEePlZiqk

NOTE: In this video, Tom also explicitly addresses the OP "You should just leave!" issue as well as "social contracts."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqEePlZiqk

[heavenlyboy34]

There is no American Revolution "version" of the "social contract." The American colonists revolted because Britian violated one too many of their rights (and they finally got fed up with it to the point of violent revolution). They did not possess these rights because they were party to any putative "social contract." Nor does the right of Americans (or anyone else) to overthrow their government and replace it with something else (or nothing at all) have anything whatsoever to do with any so-called "social contract."

The idea of "social contracts" is completely bogus. It is a floating abstraction attached to nothing. It is an utterly invalid concept. Not to put too fine a point on it, but (as Penn & Teller might say) "social contracts" are bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqEePlZiqk

NOTE: In this video, Tom also explicitly addresses the OP "You should just leave!" issue as well as "social contracts."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqEePlZiqk
Thread winner! :D +rep

[presence]

This thread makes me smile.

[green73]

This thread makes me smile.

Where the hell have you been?

[presence]

Where the hell have you been?

I got caught up with bitcoin trading for a while... then got on a multiweek tangent of creating trading bot algorithms...

Then business out of town away from PC for a few weeks.


Apple tree pruning season passed; couple hundred fir trees planted; garden planted.

Now methane in my well water design issues have me 10 days into R&D.

See:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?418946-Harvesting-Methane-from-Well-Water&p=5093665#post5093665

All that... and its spring time and I live in the state forest.




You're like the 4th person that asked. I have to admit I missed this place.



I think I'd like to make more of a contribution to the "freedom living" forum from now on though.



I kinda took a sanity siesta from world news; reluctantly I needed to get away from RPF to do so.

[green73]

I live in the state forest.

nuff said. w/b

[idiom]

Exactly.

Social contract theory can be summarized in one of two ways: the slave's consent and the mobster's choice.

1. In the slave's consent there are three of us and two of us vote to enslave the third who voted against his enslavement. But because he voted he has consented. He would also have consented if he abstained from voting because he had the opportunity to vote and chose not to. So he is not a slave despite the chains and the whippings.

2. In the mobster's choice, the mobster tells the business owner "Pay the protection money or abandon your business and flee" knowing full well that all the other business districts are controlled by mobsters. Because the business owner stays, he consents to pay the protection money.

The only real consent or contract arises when the individual can choose on his own to stay right where he is without being forced to participate in government, but chooses to participate.

In both examples the individual fails to take up arms. The Mobster and the slavers achieve control without the use of force.

[Occam's Banana]

In both examples the individual fails to take up arms. The Mobster and the slavers achieve control without the use of force.

Exactly. And the "social contract" is one of the chief means the mobsters and slavers use to achieve this control.

"Citizen! You have no need of armed resistance! After all, there's a 'social contract' for dealing with situations like this. So let's talk about it like reasonable people. You are a reasonable person ... aren't you, citizen?"

[idiom]

Exactly. And the "social contract" is one of the chief means the mobsters and slavers use to achieve this control.

"Citizen! You have no need of armed resistance! After all, there's a 'social contract' for dealing with situations like this. So let's talk about it like reasonable people. You are a reasonable person ... aren't you, citizen?"

The social contract is that, if you behave, I won't blow you away.

[Henry Rogue]

Extortion. Coercion.