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tod evans
06-25-2013, 04:51 AM
Off Drudge this morning.

These "criminals" do what overly taxed/over regulated people have always done, conduct tax/regulation-free business.

The articles author has asked that it not be cut-n-pasted.

Headline and link below;


Crime gangs look to clean up as Europe’s black market balloons

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/bb76096c-dcd8-11e2-b52b-00144feab7de.html#axzz2X5dlcHwO

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 04:57 AM
The articles author has asked that it not be cut-n-pasted.

Headline and link below;

Hrrrrmm. It's tellin' me I gotta register first. No thank'ee.

tod evans
06-25-2013, 04:58 AM
Drudge left side right above the bimbo

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 05:02 AM
Drudge left side right above the bimbo

Ahhhh! That's more like it. Good to go now ...

EDIT: I tried your reposted link, but it still demands registration. I can only get to it via the link at Drudge.

Nobexliberty
06-25-2013, 05:02 AM
Europe sucks compared to america,this comes from an european. I am going to move to America legally when i reach my adult years.

tod evans
06-25-2013, 05:05 AM
Europe sucks compared to america,this comes from an european. I am going to move to America legally when i reach my adult years.

So, in your opinion does Europe suck because of the government(s) or the people?

There are large sections of America I would be happy to sink and I believe they're rotten because of government..

Nobexliberty
06-25-2013, 05:10 AM
So, in your opinion does Europe suck because of the government(s) or the people?

There are large sections of America I would be happy to sink and I believe they're rotten because of government..
Both, the people(including me) are a bunch of worthless cowards who can not stand up for ourself. And the goverment takes advantedge of it.

tod evans
06-25-2013, 05:12 AM
Both, the people(including me) are a bunch of worthless cowards who can not stand up for ourself. And the goverment takes advantedge of it.

Well good luck man..

The US ain't all roses-n-rainbows but come on...

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 05:51 AM
Declining spending power increases social tolerance for the black market economy, the Europol director said.

That's strange - I thought it was factors like cheaper prices, easier and/or greater availability, less hassle over VATs, etc. that increased "tolerance" for black markets.

But nevermind. I'm not a respectable "expert" personage (like the "Europol director" must surely be) - so what do I know?

And "declining spending power?" Hmmm ... why, whatever could be causing that, I wonder?

But I probably shouldn't worry my silly little head over it. I am sure that folks like Mr. "Europol director" can figure it all out for me ...


When asked whether crimes such as these were hampering the EU’s economic recovery, Mr Wainwright said: “Yes, [...]"

So when I purchase black market goods & services at cheaper prices (thereby leaving me more money to save or spend on other things), I am "hampering" economic recovery.

But when I "legally" purchase the very same goods & services at (government-induced) higher prices (leaving me less money to save or spend on other things), I am ... what? ... "promoting" economic recovery?

Sure. Okay. Got it.


Other recessionary crime trends identified by Europol include an increasing willingness by companies to cut costs by using illegal labour, which has led to breaches of minimum wage guidelines and fuelled people-trafficking networks in more extreme cases.

So government interventions in the market (such as minimum-wage laws) result in things like "recessionary crime" and even "people-trafficking" ... ?

I am shocked! Whoodathunkit?


“[Organised crime] is having a particularly negative effect on government’s attempts to recover from the economic recession by draining away these resources in taxpayer’s revenue,” Mr Wainwright said.

Think about the necessary implications of the fact that the following statement means EXACTLY the same thing: "The government is having a particularly negative effect on [organized crime's] attempts to recover from the economic recession by draining away these resources in extortion and protection rackets."

tod evans
06-25-2013, 05:55 AM
Ahhhh! That's more like it. Good to go now ...

EDIT: I tried your reposted link, but it still demands registration. I can only get to it via the link at Drudge.

Maybe one of the computer literate folks here can provide a functional link?

I'm certainly not qualified..:o

Nobexliberty
06-25-2013, 05:59 AM
That's strange - I thought it was stuff like cheaper prices, easier and/or greater availability, less hassle over VATs, etc. that did things like that.

Oh, well. I'm not a respectable "expert" personage (like the "Europol director" must surely be), so what do I know?

And "declining spending power?" Hmmm ... why, whatever could be causing that, I wonder? But I probably shouldn't worry my silly head over it ...



So when I purchase black market goods & services at cheaper prices (thereby leaving me more money to save or spend on other things), I am "hampering" economic recovery.

But when I "legally" purchase the very same goods & services at (government-induced) higher prices (leaving me less money to save or spend on other things), I am ... what? ... "promoting" economic recovery?

Sure. Okay. Got it.



So government interventions in the market (such as minimum-wage laws) result in things like "recessionary crime" and even "people-trafficking" ... ?

I am shocked! Whoodathunkit?



Observe that the following statement means exactly the same thing: "The government is having a particularly negative effect on [organized crime's] attempts to recover from the economic recession by draining away these resources in extortion and protection rackets."

Think about it.

Oh you are so right +1776, how could we europeans go from curing diseases,inventing many things and being the most advanced in the world in science to the socialist scum we are now.

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 06:05 AM
Maybe one of the computer literate folks here can provide a functional link?

I'm certainly not qualified..:o

There might not be anything that can be done about it. The link in your OP is exactly the same as the one at Drudge. (Which I can't seem to find now.)

The ft.com server(s) may be set up to allow unregistered access via Drudge, since Drudge is such a highly trafficked site ... sort of like a "free advertising" thing ...

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 06:16 AM
Oh you are so right +1776, how could we europeans go from curing diseases,inventing many things and being the most advanced in the world in science to the socialist scum we are now.

Join the club, brother, join the club. The USA has gone from the greatest creditor nation in the history of the world to the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world. That really takes some doing.

Nobexliberty
06-25-2013, 06:34 AM
Join the club, brother, join the club. The USA has gone from the greatest creditor nation in the history of the world to the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world. That really takes some doing.That is nothing, we swedes went from being the greatest military power ever to losing a war against france. Damn system saying i can not rep you.

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 07:04 AM
That is nothing, we swedes went from being the greatest military power ever to losing a war against france.

We've got that coming, too. Well - maybe not losing a war to France, exactly (that really would be awful! :p;)).

We are the greatest military power in the history of the freakin' world - but the day is coming when we are going to get our asses handed to us.

The ass-handing might not come in the form of an actual war. In fact, it's probably more likely that we'll just bankrupt ourselves into impotence.

Someday, we are going to shake our fist and tell some country to "Jump - or else!" - and instead of asking, "How high?" they will just snort, roll their eyes and say, "Yeah, right, whatever."

It happend to Rome. It happened to Sweden. It happend to Britain. One way or another, it's going to happen to the United States.

It's only a matter of "when" - not "if" ...

tod evans
06-25-2013, 07:07 AM
Someday, we are going to shake our fist and tell some country to "Jump - or else!" - and instead of asking, "How high?" they will just snort, roll their eyes and say, "Yeah, right, whatever."




"Turn over Ed Snowden"....

"File the correct form and we'll think about it."


Pretty darn close, eh?

Demigod
06-25-2013, 07:10 AM
That is nothing, we swedes went from being the greatest military power ever to losing a war against france. Damn system saying i can not rep you.

"Greatest military power" part should be like this.And losing a war to France is not the most uncommon thing to have happened.Except for Russia every other country has lost a war to France sooner or later.

Nobexliberty
06-25-2013, 07:23 AM
"Greatest military power" pat should be like this.And losing a war to France is not the most uncommon thing to have happened.Except for Russia every other country has lost a war to France sooner or later.
Between 1611 and 1718 the swedish military dominated the world.And our defeats in the napoleonic wars was the beggining of the end for sweden as a strong military power as the 1990s resession made sweden a normal minor european nation.

Occam's Banana
06-25-2013, 07:32 AM
"Turn over Ed Snowden"....

"File the correct form and we'll think about it."

Pretty darn close, eh?

Pretty darn. :D

tod evans
06-25-2013, 07:36 AM
Now the looming question is do we get to experience "our government" throw a global hissy fit?

Demigod
06-25-2013, 07:43 AM
Between 1611 and 1718 the swedish military dominated the world.And our defeats in the napoleonic wars was the beggining of the end for sweden as a strong military power as the 1990s resession made sweden a normal minor european nation.

http://home.comcast.net/~cwitzjr/1658c_daniel_johann_livonia_map_1658.png

This was the absolute height of the Swedish Empire and it is hardly the world.It was a great power in that time period but the greatest would be more than an overstatement,maybe Top 8.

Nobexliberty
06-25-2013, 07:50 AM
http://home.comcast.net/~cwitzjr/1658c_daniel_johann_livonia_map_1658.png

This was the absolute height of the Swedish Empire and it is hardly the world.It was a great power in that time period but the greatest would be more than an overstatement,maybe Top 8.

I was talking about the military in the swedish empire and not the empire itself. And we must also remember that Sweden was an economic powerhouse in ww2 till the end of the cold war. We proglonged world war 2 by 5 years simply by trading and were "neutral" during the cold war, something few nations can claim.