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AlienLanes82
06-24-2013, 08:47 PM
Didn't even realize until very recently that one of my favorite recent musical discoveries, Frank Turner, self-identifies as libertarian. This Guardian article discusses the backlash to the press's publicizing that Frank is a classical liberal: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/apr/24/frank-turner-death-threats?CMP=twt_gu

CaseyJones
06-24-2013, 08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1L5zJ2afLs

CaseyJones
06-24-2013, 08:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ-D4jmkUiQ

CaseyJones
06-24-2013, 09:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUQ9tMyi7Ns

Antischism
06-24-2013, 09:58 PM
I've liked his music for some years, but he never really sings about politics, so it's a bit bizarre that he was attacked on them. I guess it's the fact that he grew up in the punk scene and had a hardcore band in the past, so people always assumed he was more of an anarchist. That, or they just don't like his music or think he's being a try-hard. -shrug- He's definitely not an American Libertarian, however, which should be obvious given he's from England. Classical Liberal sounds about right.

Anyway, this was his official response via his blog (http://frank-turner.com/2012/09/05/schmolitics/):


There’s been some pretty confused discussions about my politics in the last day or so. Here it is for the record. My politics are based on principles like democracy, individuality, equality of opportunity, distrust of power and, above all else, freedom, including economic freedom. They’re not the same as when I was 19, or indeed 23 – a few more years kicking around the world has made me adjust my views a little, although the basic principles remain the same. Once I would have called myself an anarchist. These days I suppose the word “libertarian” does pretty well for me, though I suspect it’s a little over-intellectual as a description. I just think the world works better when people are left alone to do what they want as much as possible.
Incidentally, here’s some things I’m not: “Tory”, “conservative”, or “Republican”. If you don’t know the difference between these and libertarians, I suggest reading up a little before slagging me off. I don’t consider myself “right wing” either. I’m just not a leftist.
A lot of people have been treating this as some kind of reveal. Given that the journalist was quoting from an interview from 3 years ago that seems a little odd to me. There’s something about it in the FAQ on here, and Poetry Of The Deed (2009) had a song on it called “Sons Of Liberty” which was about this kind of thing. As it happens, I don’t want my music to be particularly political (as I’ve been saying for ages) so I don’t talk about it that much. But it’s not like I keep it secret either. A lot of the fuss here to me seems to be because some people have had an idea of what they want me to be, and have discovered I’m not that. Sorry, I guess, although I’d say that it’s be much worse for me to pretend otherwise to please them, or sell records, or whatever.
At the end of the day, some people will disagree with my politics. That’s fine. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do with their lives Most of my friends disagree with me, not least Billy Bragg and Chris T-T. But, being adults, we understand that intelligent people can disagree about stuff. Despite occasionally running my mouth (a bad habit of mine, which I’m working on) I don’t think people who call themselves socialists are evil, mad, stupid or deserving of being attacked; I just see the world differently. In everything I do, I try to treat everyone with equal respect and consideration. I’d hope that the way I’ve gone about my music career would attest to that to some degree. I’ll drink a beer with anyone.
One small specific point. Obviously I think the BNP are repugnant. They are a socially right-wing / racist party, but their economic policies are pretty authoritarian left wing. I happen to oppose them strongly for both of those reasons.
So there it is. I really don’t want to talk about this much more – today has fucking sucked, actually – but I hope this clears things up for some people. Peace.

As for my favorite songs,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOjz5YkCgVc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqQRFhmFSA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1NyWbhCxZE

jdcole
01-14-2014, 04:02 PM
I know it's lame to revive old threads, but Frank's got some great music, folks. Behold:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovpxo0Q3CLQ

"So if ever a man should ask you for your business or your name
Tell him to go and fuck himself, tell his friends to do the same
'Cause a man who'd trade his liberty for a safe and dreamless sleep
Doesn't deserve the both of them and neither shall he keep"