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Anti Federalist
06-24-2013, 06:22 PM
ACLU to Obama: ‘We are tired of living in a nation governed by fear’

http://washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-to-obama-we-are-tired-of-living-in-a-nation-governed-by-fear/article/2532282

BY: JOEL GEHRKE JUNE 23, 2013 | 3:38 PM

Under President Obama, the United States is “a nation governed by fear,” the American Civil Liberties Union says in an open letter that echoes the criticisms Obama has made of George W. Bush’s national security policies.

“[W]e say as Americans that we are tired of seeing liberty sacrificed on the altar of security and having a handful of lawmakers decide what we should and should not know,” the ACLU writes in a statement circulated to grassroots supporters and addressed to Obama. “We are tired of living in a nation governed by fear instead of the principles of freedom and liberty that made this nation great.”

It’s strange to read in light of Obama’s disavowal of Bush. “[T]oo often — our government made decisions based upon fear rather than foresight, and all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions,” Obama said in 2009. “Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, we too often set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And in this season of fear, too many of us — Democrats and Republicans; politicians, journalists and citizens — fell silent.”

The ACLU is circulating that statement in response to the Justice Department’s efforts to prosecute Edward Snowden, who leaked information about the National Security Agency’s data collection programs before fleeing to Hong Kong (and now, Russia).

“We stand opposed to any attempt to treat Edward Snowden as a traitor,” the ACLU writes. "Snowden is innocent until proven guilty before a court of law and he must be afforded all of his rights as an American citizen. If he is brought to an American court, he must be afforded every opportunity to defend himself and convince a judge that what he did was justifiable and patriotic, even if he is charged with violating laws that themselves pose a threat to our democracy.”

Anti Federalist
06-24-2013, 06:23 PM
defend himself and convince a judge

LOL - Wut?

No jury for Ed?

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-24-2013, 06:25 PM
defend himself and convince a judge

LOL - Wut?

No jury for Ed?
You don't even get a Jury of your peers. You get a jury of hand-selected candidates. How many people actually know a juror in the room when on trial?

If anyones seen/read to kill a mockingbird, it's a small community so mostly everyone knows each other. Modern day court rooms? not the case. Hence people don't give a shit about you since they don't know you. They just convict you so they can go back to work/home.

tod evans
06-24-2013, 06:26 PM
I look on anything coming from the ACLU with skepticism...

That said, I'm glad they squeaked positively in Mr.Snowdens direction.

tangent4ronpaul
06-24-2013, 06:39 PM
defend himself and convince a judge

LOL - Wut?

No jury for Ed?

Jury? - where do you think this is son? There is a recession going on and budget shortfalls and we have to pay for studies on the mating habits of snails. Now just walk over to that desk over there and get your paperwork stamped "GUILTY" and the executioner is through the second door on your left.

-t

Anti Federalist
06-24-2013, 06:41 PM
Jury? - where do you think this is son? There is a recession going on and budget shortfalls and we have to pay for studies on the mating habits of snails. Now just walk over to that desk over there and get your paperwork stamped "GUILTY" and the executioner is through the second door on your left.

-t

Sorry, Boss.

Wipin' it off...

jkr
06-24-2013, 06:43 PM
LIVE FREE
OR
THIS

Aratus
06-24-2013, 11:23 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oyarde
06-24-2013, 11:30 PM
I guess we have a problem, I do not fear them , I recognize them for what they are , but I do not fear them, in fact,fuck them .

heavenlyboy34
06-24-2013, 11:34 PM
I look on anything coming from the ACLU with skepticism...

That said, I'm glad they squeaked positively in Mr.Snowdens direction.
They're on the libertarian side WRT a number of issues. Much like Ms Daly. They can be useful allies in the right circumstances.

TomtheTinker
06-24-2013, 11:48 PM
Jury? - where do you think this is son? There is a recession going on and budget shortfalls and we have to pay for studies on the mating habits of snails. Now just walk over to that desk over there and get your paperwork stamped "GUILTY" and the executioner is through the second door on your left.

-t

no the executioner is on 3Rd door to left...clerk # 1 & 2 are in the first 2.

otherone
06-25-2013, 04:27 AM
defend himself and convince a judge

LOL - Wut?

No jury for Ed?

The ACLU thinks that nullification may be possible with a sympathetic judge. Fat Chance. That's why jury nullification is a such a critical issue now.

invisible
06-25-2013, 01:31 PM
no the executioner is on 3Rd door to left...clerk # 1 & 2 are in the first 2.

Boris! I've got a special, when can you work him in?

Aratus
06-25-2013, 07:49 PM
the ACLU is about to impact the primaries and/or caucuses of 2016? or will this be forgotten by then?