Snowden may not not even be in Moscow. Misses flight to Cuba

[green73]

LOL. There's a plane full of journalists headed to Havana but no Snowden.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/edward-snowden-booked-on-plane-from-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage


@Claire_Phipps

Bad day for journalists RT @mattholehouse: Unlucky. No drink served on Aeroflot flights to Havana.http://bit.ly/16tP4g9 #Snowden

[green73]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNhGhbiCUAEQWAE.jpg
Snowden's seat

[Mani]

Just to fuck with MSM, there should be HUNDREDS of flight bookings for the next 48 hours with the name Edward Snowden in them. That would be awesome.

[Warlord]

US Secretary of State John Kerry has called him a "traitor to his country" and urged countries to hand him over.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Like I said, I expect Snowden to become a pea under a cup in a forest of cups...

-t

[Warlord]

This picture is funny:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/23/1372000066786/0d9cefca-40b3-47f9-90b7-95bd51053441-460x276.jpeg

yes! that's him! I saw hm!

[green73]

Nice to see Raimondo get some exposure from Greenwald in all this

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/349117514153869312

[green73]

This picture is funny:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/23/1372000066786/0d9cefca-40b3-47f9-90b7-95bd51053441-460x276.jpeg

yes! that's him! I saw hm!

haha

[green73]

Get out of bed Drudge

[green73]

How do we know Snowden was ever in Russia?
Hong Kong’s original statement yesterday (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden-leaves-hong-kong-moscow) saying Edward Snowden had left the Chinese territory made no mention of Russia, saying only that he had gone to a “third country”:


Mr Edward Snowden left Hong Kong today [June 23] of his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel.

The US government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR [Hong Kong special administrative region] government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR government has requested the US government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US government's request can meet the relevant legal conditions.

As the HKSAR government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong. The HKSAR government has already informed the US government of Mr Snowden's departure.

Wikileaks (https://twitter.com/wikileaks), which says it has been assisting Snowden, and Aeroflot sources speaking to various news organisations both said he was going to Russia.

But no Russian officials ever confirmed he has arrived. Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the Guardian yesterday (http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden-leaves-hong-kong-moscow-live#block-51c6be40e4b0fb5edcdea2f1): “I don’t [know if he's planning to stay in Moscow]. I heard about his potential arrival from the press. I know nothing.”

Russian security personnel certainly swarmed around Sheremetyevo airport, and the Ecuadorian ambassador Patricio Chavez also turned up – asking “Do you know where he is? Is he coming here?”

Russian news agency Interfax also reported (http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden-leaves-hong-kong-moscow-live#block-51c6f942e4b00c4746128d38) that a Venezuelan diplomat picked Snowden up when he arrived.

Aeroflot told the Associated Press this morning that he was registered for the Havana flight that left half an hour ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/edward-snowden-booked-on-plane-from-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage#block-51c82bbae4b0ff9eae2dec94

[Tod]

New geography educational game: Where's Edward?

[Elias Graves]

I saw him at 7-11 a half hour ago in Schenectady!
Or was that Walla Walla? I don't remember.

[UWDude]

Did they really expect him to just fly with all of them?

[talkingpointes]

So after the US kills this guy can we go on permanent protest. This is the last card holding up this house.

[better-dead-than-fed]

news out of Ecuador

http://www.livestream.com/cancilleriaec

[green73]

http://www.livestream.com/cancilleriaec



Ricardo Patiño Aroca, Ecuador’s foreign minister, is holding a press conference in [5] minutes time.

[tangent4ronpaul]

OK, 13 mins ago and offline...

Did anything happen?

-t

[69360]

Hopefully the FSB doesn't have him.

[better-dead-than-fed]

OK, 13 mins ago and offline...

Did anything happen?

-t

Not that I saw. I passed on the link from https://twitter.com/flemingjude and I don't know why she thinks it's important.

[tangent4ronpaul]

STARTING!

-t

[better-dead-than-fed]

que dicen estes personas?? no comprendo

[tangent4ronpaul]

with translation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23032328#

-t

[better-dead-than-fed]

"Snowden has requested asylum from Ecuador"

[better-dead-than-fed]

Snowden: "as a result of my political opinions and desire to exercise my freedom of speech... u.s. gov has announced criminal investigation against me.."

[better-dead-than-fed]

Snowden: "improbable I would receive a fair trial" in U.S.

[tangent4ronpaul]

AWESOME! - It's gonna be a YES!

-t

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ecuador: "principles of universal declaration of human rights goes above all other interests... Snowden is being persecuted by those who should be explaining themselves"

[green73]

with translation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23032328#

-t


This is great!

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ecuador: "The word 'treason' has been thrown around. But who has betrayed whom? Alleged espionage is affecting not only U.S. citizens... Allegations are of violations against everyone in the world"

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ecuador calls U.S. invasion of Iraq unjust and murderous.

[kathy88]

This couldn't be BETTER! WOOT for Equador :) :)

[kathy88]

Quoting US 4th and 5th amendments!!!!!

[better-dead-than-fed]

"Ecuador is considering his asylum request".

[kathy88]

Asylum request being considered? WTF? When are they going to decide?

[tangent4ronpaul]

WTF??? - Ecuator is CONSIDERING Mr Snowdens request????

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

mic levels on Q's SUCK!

-t

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ecuador cites U.S. rejecting Ecuador's requests for extradition.

[Origanalist]

This guy is going to blather on forever and not say anything of substance, He's grandstanding.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ecuador raises specter of retaliation from U.S., but says it will not let fear undermine its commitment to human rights.

[Thor]

This guy is going to blather on forever and not say anything of substance, He's grandstanding.

As well he should... Is he going to lay out a map to Snowden's plans so the US can intercept?

[KEEF]

Ecuador is awesome

[tangent4ronpaul]

Ecuadorian gvmt now being offered massive bribes of US taxpayer $$$.... :rolleyes:

-t

[Varin]

Ecuador is awesome

Not really http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/06/freedom-speech-ecuador

[tangent4ronpaul]

HOLY SHIT! - did you guys just see that?

uncomfortable reporter Q: Has Ecuador been offered any sort of bribes or incentive to turn Snowden in or deny him asylum?

He answers in spanish.

BBC stream ENDS with NO TRANSLATION!

-t

[69360]

Ecuador is awesome

Not really, they just want to piss off the US in the vein of other leftist countries like Cuba and Venezuela. If you look at the history and politics of the country it's not free.

But it does work for Snowden and keeps him out of jail.

[KEEF]

HOLY SHIT! - did you guys just see that?

uncomfortable reporter Q: Has Ecuador been offered any sort of bribes or incentive to turn Snowden in or deny him asylum?

He answers in spanish.


BBC stream ENDS with NO TRANSLATION!

-t
Was just going to post that... Hmm, either the press conference just got droned or the NSA just shut off the broadcast.

[Carlybee]

No matter where he goes...the plane has to get there.

[tangent4ronpaul]

HOLY SHIT! - did you guys just see that?

uncomfortable reporter Q: Has Ecuador been offered any sort of bribes or incentive to turn Snowden in or deny him asylum?

He answers in spanish.

BBC stream ENDS with NO TRANSLATION!

-t

Are there any Spanish speakers here that saw it or can we find it on replay?

-t

[kcchiefs6465]

Are there any Spanish speakers here that saw it or can we find it on replay?

-t
Find a replay and I could try my best. Melissa is fluent, I think.

[green73]

Assange holds press conference:


Assange said Wikileaks figures were advising Edward Snowden and assisting with his asylum application. He said that Snowden may have applied for asylum in other countries apart from Ecuador, and Wikileaks press spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said he had approached the Icelandic government with a formal request on Snowden’s behalf.

He said the US was attempting to “bully” Russia and other nations from giving asylum to Snowden, but “every person has the right to seek and receive political asylum. Those rights are enshrined in UN agreements of which the US is a party. It is counterproductive and unacceptable for the Obama administration to try and interfere with those rights.”

Assange was asked if Snowden had passed the secret documents he had shown to the Guardian to Wikileaks too and whether Wikileaks would publish such documents. Assange said:


That is a sourcing matter so as a matter of policy I can’t speak about it. In relation to publishing such material of course Wikileaks is in the business of publishing documents suppressed by governments.

He took issue with descriptions of Snowden as a traitor:


Edward Snowden is not a traitor. He is not a spy. He is a whistleblower who has told the public an important truth … In law a traitor must adhere to US enemies and there is also a requirement that the conduct is in congressionally approved wartime - neither of these apply here.


He added that “the Obama administration was not given a mandate to spy on the entire world, to breach the US constitution and laws of other nations in the manner it has”. He also warned that the US’s crackdown on journalistic sources under Barack Obama threatened “the complete destruction of national security journalism”.

Michael Ratner, Wikileaks’s American attorney, said whistleblowers were protected under international conventions on refugees. The US had recognised that when it applied to Chinese and African whistleblowers, he said, “so it’s surprising to me now - though maybe not surprising in this particular case - to see the US ignore that”.

“Asylum trumps extradition,” he said, and countries were not supposed to interfere with each other’s asylum processes. He said there was “no international arrest warrant that we know of” so Snowden was “not a fugitive in any sense of the word”.

In a characteristic rhetorical flourish, Assange said that Obama had taken on “a generation” in this case – “a young generation of people who find the mass violation of privacy unacceptable. In taking on a generation the Obama administration can only lose."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/edward-snowden-booked-on-plane-from-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage#block-51c85bcbe4b00fa5561a7967

[tangent4ronpaul]

Find a replay and I could try my best. Melissa is fluent, I think.

The first vid link that was only in Spanish and everyone bailed from prob had more. Good place to look?

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

This looks severely edited....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23033808

-t

[Thor]

This looks severely edited....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23033808

-t

No Q and A at the end... The Q and A was where it happened...

[kcchiefs6465]

The first vid link that was only in Spanish and everyone bailed from prob had more. Good place to look?

-t
I found it, it is on the link BDTF posted. The latest video, apparently.

No way I'd be able to provide a translation. I can pick some words but the vocab is more than I'd know and it's hard to hear him clearly on the mic. I believe Melissa can speak Spanish.

They have voice to text translators for smart phones now, I believe. Even that might have some trouble because of the occasional echo on the mic.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Melissa is fluent, I think.

Apparently.

http://i.imgur.com/De8GTjc.png

[kcchiefs6465]

Apparently.

http://i.imgur.com/De8GTjc.png
Lmao.

For some reason I am not surprised.

[green73]

Apparently.

http://i.imgur.com/De8GTjc.png

I'd like to giver her a good negging, if you know what I mean.

[Elias Graves]

I just saw Snowden at Wal Mart in Hattiesburg MS!

[green73]

Assange's presser.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-1_T9fGZUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-1_T9fGZUg

[Neil Desmond]

I wonder if he's already where he wants to be & it's all just a wild goose chase.

[sailingaway]

I wonder if he's already where he wants to be & it's all just a wild goose chase.

I just love the headline:

Plane lands in Cuba, but no sign of Snowden

http://news.msn.com/world/plane-lands-in-cuba-but-no-sign-of-snowden

[CPUd]

LOL:

http://i.imgur.com/NPO3bYl.png

http://i.imgur.com/EMFRPEE.png

And keeps going ...

http://i.imgur.com/VA7WV5E.png

[angelatc]

that's awesome.

[Thor]

LOL:

http://i.imgur.com/NPO3bYl.png

http://i.imgur.com/EMFRPEE.png

And keeps going ...

http://i.imgur.com/VA7WV5E.png

Awesome. Can't stand that douchebag...

[angelatc]

We should all write to the Russian AMbassador and tell him Lindsay Graham is an ass.

I swear to God I'm going to do that tomorrow.

[ClydeCoulter]

We should all write to the Russian AMbassador and tell him Lindsay Graham is an ass.

I swear to God I'm going to do that tomorrow.

Hey, too bad we all can't sign it...Post it here, please :)

[angelatc]

https://twitter.com/MFA_Russia - they're on Twitter.

[Thor]

LOL:

http://i.imgur.com/NPO3bYl.png

http://i.imgur.com/EMFRPEE.png

And keeps going ...

http://i.imgur.com/VA7WV5E.png

These comments are great.... I hope he gets the highlight reel, as I am sure he won't bother to read them... but man... people are rippin' him a new asshole.

[2young2vote]

There are some very, very smart and very, very powerful people involved in this situation. I can't wait until the movie comes out.

[randpaul2016]

http://distilleryimage10.s3.amazonaws.com/8b9195f8dd1f11e2ae2122000ae90612_7.jpg

[Mani]

http://distilleryimage10.s3.amazonaws.com/8b9195f8dd1f11e2ae2122000ae90612_7.jpg


That's what I've been thinking. You've got a plane full of dumb-asses that within 30 minutes of take off realize they just got on a plane to Cuba for no REASON. 15.5 hours to go!

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA.

And then they need to take another international flight to get off the fucking island. 24-48 hours COMPLETELY WASTED. HAHAHHAHA

[Neil Desmond]

I wonder if he's already where he wants to be & it's all just a wild goose chase.

LOL! So far my guess seems to hold water: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130626/NSA-Surveillance/

[green73]

http://distilleryimage10.s3.amazonaws.com/8b9195f8dd1f11e2ae2122000ae90612_7.jpg

bwaaahahahaha donkeys

[Root]

I hope that someday we are able to confirm that he set them up for that flight. :D

[american.swan]

LOL! So far my guess seems to hold water: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130626/NSA-Surveillance/

If true, that's an awesome article. It seems very likely also. Media in the transit area of the airport SHOULD be able to find him. WHY couldn't they? Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. How can the Russian PM claim he's there? The US thinks he's there. LOL Media can't find him. Someone is lying. I'm about to burst out laughing. Where the heck is he? LOL. How does the most wanted man in the world suddenly disappear?

[Seraphim]

WHERE IN THE WORLD IS CARMEN SAN DIEGO.

[Occam's Banana]

"Pics or Snowden ain't in Moscow" is what I say ...

[AFPVet]

The dude worked for the 12NSA34... he isn't stupid. They'll never find him... he's gone lol.

[69360]

Lindsey Graham just violated the Logan Act, no?

[Mani]

Hong Kong officials said they allowed Snowden to leave for Moscow because the U.S. government got his middle name wrong in documents it submitted seeking his arrest. Hong Kong immigration records listed Snowden's middle name as Joseph, but the U.S. government used the name James in some documents and referred to him only as Edward J. Snowden in others, Justice Secretary Rimsky Yuen said. The U.S. also did not provide his passport number and did not respond to requests for clarification, Yuen said.

Meanwhile, WikiLeaks gave a terse update on Snowden, saying he was "well" in a post on Twitter.


Hahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Rule #1 living in hong kong. Spell your fucking name correctly!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha

In usa your middle name isnt important but in HK and other parts of asia your whole name is important. Your whole fucking name. Not abbreviated or initials and spelled EXACTLY the same always. And signature must always be correct. If you signed an official document and added a cute squiggle line underneath, get ready to ALWAYS use that cute squiggle.....ALWAYS.

Documents without proper spelling are NEVER accepted. NEVER. No way HK officials were going to accept that. No fucking way. And no passport number???? Hahahahahaha. Who typed up the memo?? The fucking 18 year old summer intern???!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Even on the most basic form or letters must be complete name with some ID or passport number. Omg talk about not knowing how to communicate with other nations. Fucking idiots.

So US official are BAFFLED how HK let this guy go, but in their official request to detain him they cant spell his name correctly and dont bother to include Even a passport number???

Unreal.

[Thor]

Lindsey Graham just violated the Logan Act, no?

Well, the question is, does his position as a Senator give him authorization, and would others view his actions as "against the United States"? I am sure his cohorts (Gang of eight) would stick their neck out for his actions..... We the people, who don't matter, might have a different view.


The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization.