All-woman jury picked for Zimmerman trial

[green73]

(AP) AP NewsAlert

SANFORD, Fla. All-women jury chosen for George Zimmerman's trial in fatal Trayvon Martin shooting.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA71KREO3

Update:


A jury of six women, five of them white and the other a minority, was picked Thursday to decide the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who says he shot an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin, in self-defense.

Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, 29, racially profiled the 17-year-old Martin as he walked back from a convenience store on Feb. 26, 2012, in the rain, wearing a dark hooded shirt. Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic.

The race and ethnicity of the minority chosen for the jury was not immediately available.

Prosecutors and defense attorneys chose the panel of six jurors after almost two weeks of jury selection. In Florida, 12 jurors are required only for criminal trials involving capital cases, when the death penalty is being considered.

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http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA71L7N02

[TheTexan]

wow, that cant be good for the Z man

[jbauer]

I thought juries were supposed to be picked from your peers. The statistical chances of getting 12 for 12 females is out of this universe. If I'm the defense and we lose this I'm immediately filing for a miss trial based on the jury composition. An argument they should be able to win even if they lose the 2nd D murder charge.

[Antischism]

Edit: Didn't see the update when I posted.

[dannno]

My head hurts all of a sudden.

[Anti Federalist]

LOL @ 12 jurors of your peers.

Just Us.

[Dr.3D]

LOL @ 12 jurors of your peers.

Just Us.
He doesn't even get 12....

[UWDude]

If they are all white or latino, he'll win.

[Antischism]

I have to say, Breitbart definitely attracts some of the worst comments outside of maybe YouTube. Not that it's surprising given what the website is.

[ObiRandKenobi]

Oh God.

[ronpaulfollower999]

I thought juries were supposed to be picked from your peers. The statistical chances of getting 12 for 12 females is out of this universe. If I'm the defense and we lose this I'm immediately filing for a miss trial based on the jury composition. An argument they should be able to win even if they lose the 2nd D murder charge.

I believe prosecutor and defender's attorney can reject jurors if they believe one could be biased.

[talkingpointes]

I believe prosecutor and defender's attorney can reject jurors if they believe one could be biased.

That's when they review them before the trial. Which is next.

[SewrRatt]

This is the defense attorney being in the pocket of the prosecutor's office, as usual. "Sure, 5/6 white women are acceptable as "peers" for an hispanic man! When do I get my paycheck?"

[Antischism]

So what's the problem with a jury of 6 people being all women again? Or are women not capable of being objective and rational?

[TheTexan]

So what's the problem with a jury of 6 people being all women again? Or are women not capable of being objective and rational?

Statistically, that demographic does not favor Zimmerman. Its just a numbers game.

If you were Zimm, you wouldnt want 6 black jurors, would you?

[amy31416]

So what's the problem with a jury of 6 people being all women again? Or are women not capable of being objective and rational?

You must be new here. None of us are rational and we all hate men, love socialism and have systematically destroyed this country since we got the vote--and even before.

[devil21]

So what's the problem with a jury of 6 people being all women again? Or are women not capable of being objective and rational?

Nothing by itself. In this case, it definitely slants the demographics in favor of the prosecution. Oh the wail of emotional appeals to the jury will be unbearable.

[dannno]

So what's the problem with a jury of 6 people being all women again? Or are women not capable of being objective and rational?

It depends, how do you think a questionnaire would come out if you asked thousands of women if someone is justified in using deadly force against an attacker who is punching them in the head? Another good question might be whether they would feel justified themselves in using deadly force if somebody had them pinned on the ground and was beating them in the head. Women are generally more empathetic then men, but also less prone to using violence.

[Antischism]

Statistically, that demographic does not favor Zimmerman. Its just a numbers game.

If you were Zimm, you wouldnt want 6 black jurors, would you?

Then I guess it's okay if people cry about 5/6 jurors being white with the 6th potentially not being black, either. Statistically, that would balance things out then, no?

[YesI'mALiberal]

You must be new here. None of us are rational and we all hate men, love socialism and have systematically destroyed this country since we got the vote--and even before.

You've come a long way, baby~!

[TheTexan]

You must be new here. None of us are rational and we all hate men, love socialism and have systematically destroyed this country since we got the vote--and even before.

Surprisingly accurate

[TheTexan]

Then I guess it's okay if people cry about 5/6 jurors being white with the 6th potentially not being black, either. Statistically, that would balance things out then, no?

Ya I'm sure that was part of the compromise.

[Antischism]

It depends, how do you think a questionnaire would come out if you asked thousands of women if someone is justified in using deadly force against an attacker who is punching them in the head? Another good question might be whether they would feel justified themselves in using deadly force if somebody had them pinned on the ground and was beating them in the head. Women are generally more empathetic then men, but also less prone to using violence.

You're implying that those are indeed the facts, though; that Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor in the first place. We don't exactly have all the evidence yet, which is what the trial is for. I also look at things on an individual level, not based on gender. Men can be just as passive as women in the situations you stated.

[dannno]

You're implying that those are indeed the facts, though; that Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor in the first place. We don't exactly have all the evidence yet, which is what the trial is for.

True, though they would have to actually prove that Zimmerman was the aggressor beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict him of murder. I haven't seen any evidence that would conclude he was the aggressor.




I also look at things on an individual level, not based on gender. Men can be just as passive as women in the situations you stated.

Of course, it's a spectrum for both genders, one gender tends to skew in another direction from the other though.

[TheTexan]

You're implying that those are indeed the facts, though; that Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor in the first place. We don't exactly have all the evidence yet, which is what the trial is for. I also look at things on an individual level, not based on gender. Men can be just as passive as women in the situations you stated.

Yes, you judge people rationally. Most people dont.

Im on my phone or Id give you a link, but you can find polls where Florida women are more likely to think Zimmerman is guilty. They have the same information available to them as men, but come to different conclusions.

It would be incredibly irrational to NOT take that bias into consideration when choosing your jury. A murder case is not the place to play games with gender equality activism.

[seraphson]

Wonder what kind of feminist shit storm of frothy mouthed yelling would've occurred had it been all men.

[matt0611]

You must be new here. None of us are rational and we all hate men, love socialism and have systematically destroyed this country since we got the vote--and even before.

Not all, just most...








;)

[Philhelm]

You must be new here. None of us are rational and we all hate men, love socialism and have systematically destroyed this country since we got the vote--and even before.

You forgot The Apple debacle.

[Wooden Indian]

"Zimmerman got an all female jury, how unsual. Not sure if that's fair considering demographically women are polling against him."

Response by women- "Arrg!!! We can be rational. You're not being fair! What's wrong with you men, here?!!"

LMAO

[LibertyEagle]

Blame his lawyer. He had the opportunity to throw out potential jurors that he didn't think would look favorable upon his client.

[Philhelm]

"Zimmerman got an all female jury, how unsual. Not sure if that's fair considering demographically women are polling against him."

Response by women- "Arrg!!! We can be rational. You're not being fair! What's wrong with you men, here?!!"

LMAO

+Y chromosome

[LibForestPaul]

I woudl rather have six gang bangers than a bunch of women.

[Occam's Banana]

Blame his lawyer. He had the opportunity to throw out potential jurors that he didn't think would look favorable upon his client.

Jury selection only allows a limited number of "preemptory" challenges/dismissals of prospective jurors. Those are very easy to burn through - especially if you've got a highly publicized case in which potential jurors have already-established opinions about the defendant.

[AFPVet]

This could be a good thing. As Danno noted, women are generally more empathetic regarding being the victim of an attack. Zimmerman was attacked... he was physically unmatched. In this case, the defense will likely argue 'disparity of force' in addition to 'stand your ground'. Disparity of force means that you are confronted by an attacker or attackers who is/are physically more powerful or skilled. This puts your life in serious danger.

[talkingpointes]

This could be a good thing. As Danno noted, women are generally more empathetic regarding being the victim of an attack. Zimmerman was attacked... he was physically unmatched. In this case, the defense will likely argue 'disparity of force' in addition to 'stand your ground'. Disparity of force means that you are confronted by an attacker or attackers who is/are physically more powerful or skilled. This puts your life in serious danger.

I would expect the prosecutor to lead and badger as much as he can. The guy shot travon partially out of anger. (I believe) If I was the prosecutor I would expect him to keep on about why he actually shot him and possibly make him angry.

[AuH20]

So what's the problem with a jury of 6 people being all women again? Or are women not capable of being objective and rational?

Too emotional. A savvy enough trial lawyer can have them eating out of his hand with the right gameplan.

[amy31416]

I woudl rather have six gang bangers than a bunch of women.

Shit. I'd rather have six gang banger jurors than a bunch of male RPF'ers* in a rape trial.

*Not all of you!

[SewrRatt]

So now acknowledging the reality that zero of six jurors (unless juror #6 is hispanic) are Zimmerman's peer in any sense whatsoever makes us pro-rape?

[AuH20]

So now acknowledging the reality that zero of six jurors (unless juror #6 is hispanic) are Zimmerman's peer in any sense whatsoever makes us pro-rape?

I think she's just having some fun.

[kcchiefs6465]

You must be new here. None of us are rational and we all hate men, love socialism and have systematically destroyed this country since we got the vote--and even before.
This.

I mean, how the hell are the dishes going to get done from the jury room?

/ducks

[amy31416]

So now acknowledging the reality that zero of six jurors (unless juror #6 is hispanic) are Zimmerman's peer in any sense whatsoever makes us pro-rape?

Yes. That's exactly it.

[amy31416]

So now acknowledging the reality that zero of six jurors (unless juror #6 is hispanic) are Zimmerman's peer in any sense whatsoever makes us pro-rape?

Yes. That's exactly it.

[Origanalist]

sigh

[bolil]

I really hate to say it but the misogyny on this thread has me reeling a bit, could be the booze, but I think it is the misogyny.

Doesn't the defense get a say in picking jurors? Provided that for every one person with a heart and stomach for liberty there is 10 without, gender doesn't really matter.

If they would have picked six black males, then I would start raising brow.

[AuH20]

I wonder if they are predominantly single women? If so, he better start getting his affairs in order.

[sluggo]

"A jury of six women, five of them white and the other a minority"

What are the other six? Klingons?!!?

Edit: Nevermind. I assumed juries were always 12 people.

[Origanalist]

"A jury of six women, five of them white and the other a minority"

What are the other six? Klingons?!!?

Close, dingleberries.

[amy31416]

This.

I mean, how the hell are the dishes going to get done from the jury room?

/ducks

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOO you DIDN'T! You just take yo testosterone-laden ass on back to the garage and fix mah shitty car and quit tryin' to play all grown-up and shit!

[AFPVet]

I really hate to say it but the misogyny on this thread has me reeling a bit, could be the booze, but I think it is the misogyny.

Doesn't the defense get a say in picking jurors? Provided that for every one person with a heart and stomach for liberty there is 10 without, gender doesn't really matter.

If they would have picked six black males, then I would start raising brow.

Yes... both the prosecution and defense get to cherry pick the jury during Voir dire.

[bolil]

Yes... both the prosecution and defense get to cherry pick the jury.

If it were my fate, I would rather have women judging is... so long as I had never scorned them. LOL if they picked 6 of his ex gfs.

[alucard13mm]

In Florida, you only get 6 Jury. 12 Jury is only used in cases that involves death penalty...

5 white women + 1 minority woman... won't end well for Zimmerman. It might be sexist, but I can't help but think that emotions will play a large role in this.

[AuH20]

In Florida, you only get 6 Jury. 12 Jury is only used in cases that involves death penalty...

5 white women + 1 minority woman... won't end well for Zimmerman. It might be sexist, but I can't help but think that emotions will play a large role in this.

As soon as the skittles and Arizona Ice tea can is brought out, he's dead meat. Logic need not apply.

[AFPVet]

In Florida, you only get 6 Jury. 12 Jury is only used in cases that involves death penalty...

5 white women + 1 minority woman... won't end well for Zimmerman. It might be sexist, but I can't help but think that emotions will play a large role in this.

Right... but this is exactly why I think it will benefit Zimmerman. The defense (I hope) will understand how to appeal to his/her audience. If his attorney is female, it may also help.

[RickyJ]

No woman was even involved in this, how is this a jury of his peers? He would get in trouble if he tried to go into the same restroom as his "peers" on the jury. :D

[Nobexliberty]

This case will be up to the emotions and fear and not proof and facts,high profile media cases have a tendency to end without any form of so called justice happening.

[satchelmcqueen]

see if the msm and the judge would allow the video found on martins phone from a few days earlier to be introduced into evidence about his character, zimmerman would be free. martin had on his phone a video of him and his 2 friends beating up a homeless man. also the FULL 911 call from Zman needs to be heard. itll show he tried to NOT get into a fight, but that martin attacked him.

[KingNothing]

This case seems a lot like the Casey Anthony trial to me. The media and a large collection of vocal people have already concluded that the defendant is guilty, but there is almost no evidence that can be submitted in court to actually prove that claim.

The Anthony trial had 7 or 8 women, I think.

I'm a firm believer in female irrationality but I don't think it will play a role in the ruling.

[KingNothing]

see if the msm and the judge would allow the video found on martins phone from a few days earlier to be introduced into evidence about his character, zimmerman would be free. martin had on his phone a video of him and his 2 friends beating up a homeless man. also the FULL 911 call from Zman needs to be heard. itll show he tried to NOT get into a fight, but that martin attacked him.

Trayvon and his friends may have been pieces of garbage but they absolutely did not fight a homeless man. The defense admitted that the video actually just shows two homeless men fighting.

[BlackTerrel]

wow, that cant be good for the Z man

Why? Don't see how anyone can whether it's good or bad.

[BlackTerrel]

I have to say, Breitbart definitely attracts some of the worst comments outside of maybe YouTube. Not that it's surprising given what the website is.

Not very familiar but yeah looks like it. Pretty trashy. Lots of racism. YouTube is usually the same.

[BlackTerrel]

True, though they would have to actually prove that Zimmerman was the aggressor beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict him of murder. I haven't seen any evidence that would conclude he was the aggressor.

Really? He followed an unarmed guy and shot him? No good?...

[LibForestPaul]

In Florida, you only get 6 Jury. 12 Jury is only used in cases that involves death penalty...

5 white women + 1 minority woman... won't end well for Zimmerman. It might be sexist, but I can't help but think that emotions will play a large role in this.


He killed that baby, vs he tossed out some trash.

Just biology, men don't give birth, and all your mysoginst label tossing wont change that fact.

[Keith and stuff]

Only 6 jurors? That's very interesting news and a major reason to not want to live in FL. Thanks for sharing this. That might be 1 of the worst parts about living in FL.

[matt0611]

How is having a 6-member jury of all women fair? How is that representative as his "peers"? It should have at least a few men.

I would be very worried if I were him because of this.

[KingNothing]

Really? He followed an unarmed guy and shot him? No good?...


No. Not at all. The important things are whether or not Zimmerman feared for his life, and whether or not he initiated the physical violence.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

If it were my fate, I would rather have women judging is... so long as I had never scorned them. LOL if they picked 6 of his ex gfs.

:eek: hell on earth?

[Madison320]

Really? He followed an unarmed guy and shot him? No good?...

Seriously? I can think of a thousand scenarios where an armed person followed an unarmed person and the unarmed person was at fault.

As far as I'm concerned the only important part of the case was whether Martin was on top of Zimmerman and beating him, if that was the case then it was self defense. Anything leading up to that point is meaningless.

[BlackTerrel]

No. Not at all. The important things are whether or not Zimmerman feared for his life, and whether or not he initiated the physical violence.

What if he just saw a "scary black guy" and immediately feared for his life? Self defense?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

6 mothers*

[green73]

What if he just saw a "scary black guy" and immediately feared for his life? Self defense?

I wonder if the "cracker" initiated the violence.

[BlackTerrel]

I wonder if the "cracker" initiated the violence.

I wonder if he followed him for no reason... actually I know.

[green73]

I wonder if he followed him for no reason... actually I know.

Of course you know.

[BlackTerrel]

Of course you know.

What reason was there for following him?

[matt0611]

What reason was there for following him?

Because he thought he was acting / looking suspicious and wanted to not lose him until the police arrived?

Seems, umm, fairly logical no?

[Ender]

Because he thought he was acting / looking suspicious and wanted to not lose him until the police arrived?

Seems, umm, fairly logical no?

Not when NW says to only Watch & Report.

[matt0611]

Not when NW says to only Watch & Report.

Irrelevant. Keeping an eye on him is what he decided to do that night. Following someone you think is suspicious in a public place isn't a crime.

Its pretty clear why he was following him if you listen to the telephone call. I don't understand what the big mystery is here.

[Ender]

It doesn't matter. That's what he decided to do. Following someone you think is suspicious in a public place isn't a crime.

Its pretty clear why he was following him if you listen to the telephone call. I don't understand what the big mystery is here.

Stalking someone IS a crime.

Zimmerman broke all the rules and someone died; if he had played by the rules he had agreed to keep, none of this would have happened.

[matt0611]

Stalking someone IS a crime.

Zimmerman broke all the rules and someone died; if he had played by the rules he had agreed to keep, none of this would have happened.

Following someone you believe is suspicious one time in a public place isn't stalking. How is that even close to a crime?

What "rules"? You mean the law? GZ didn't break any laws. That hasn't been shown.

[Ender]

Following someone you believe is suspicious one time in a public place isn't stalking. How is that even close to a crime?

What "rules"? You mean the law? GZ didn't break any laws. That hasn't been shown.

Then we will disagree on how legal "following" someone is.

Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch rules, which he had begged for and had already profiled Martin. Why would anyone believe Zimmerman's story? Add to this the facts that he has a history of violence and has already lied once to the judge- and he looks like a wannabe cop who did a very, very stupid thing- at least to me.

[kcchiefs6465]

Then we will disagree on how legal "following" someone is.

Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch rules, which he had begged for and had already profiled Martin. Why would anyone believe Zimmerman's story? Add to this the facts that he has a history of violence and has already lied once to the judge- and he looks like a wannabe cop who did a very, very stupid thing- at least to me.
Me too.

To be clear on your "history on violence" he had a DV and what, resisting arrest? If the police are called, in the states I've traveled, for a domestic argument someone has to go to jail. Their words, not mine. He could have gotten into an argument and been unjustly arrested with a crime that conjures up images of black eyes and bruises. NOT arguing with your GF that she shouldn't be driving with how much she has had to drink. I've been charged with such bullshit that would again be brought up to slander my character. I was the sober one. Statements admit as much. Upon being handcuffed the police pulled a taser and put it to my neck, they said loudly (so that it's on camera) "QUIT TENSING UP!" I said calmly, loudly and asserted that I was not resisting in any way. Should I be tasered I would be pressing a brutality complaint against the officers. They dropped that line of bullshit though they didn't loosen the cuffs which left visible bruises for a week.

I believe Zimmerman's resisting charge was a separate incident? IIRC, anyways. Resisting arrest is like obstructing justice or disorderly conduct. They are snare all charges meant to put the police in a position to be able to arrest anyone no matter the incident. I trust neither of the charges as being legitimate. They are overused and abused by authoritarians who wish to exercise petty power over another because they had the audacity to say they need a warrant to search their car, or because they had the audacity not to allow entry to their home.

There was another incident I read about where Zimmerman apparently overreacted and threw a female patron while he was a bouncer. I don't know. May have some truth, may not.

History of violence? More than likely a history of bullshit.

[BlackTerrel]

Because he thought he was acting / looking suspicious and wanted to not lose him until the police arrived?

Seems, umm, fairly logical no?

Acting how? Wearing a hoodie...

Looking suspicious.... um what?

[matt0611]

Acting how? Wearing a hoodie...

Looking suspicious.... um what?

Looking into people's houses? Casing places? What? What don't you get? You mean you can't have any idea that someone is walking down the street acting suspicious? He was NW, he was LOOKING for suspicious activity. Is that really so hard to understand? So beyond belief?

[BlackTerrel]

Looking into people's houses? Casing places? What? What don't you get? You mean you can't have any idea that someone is walking down the street acting suspicious? He was NW, he was LOOKING for suspicious activity. Is that really so hard to understand? So beyond belief?

What evidence is there that he was casing places? He bought ice tea and skittles before he was going to rob a place? Come on man.

[Qdog]

What is sad, is that if zimmerman had not shot Martin, and Martin had continued to beat zimmermans brains out of his head against the pavement resulting in zimmermans's death, the story would not have made the national news.