Yes, the NSA did wiretap Obama, before he was even president.

[UWDude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DmN80yi5mo
I surmise this is why Obama did an about face on everything he promised while running. They got mounds of dirt on him.

Bush also changed his tune, after "choking on a pretzel"

This is why I do not think George W. Bush or Obama are traitors. I've known for a long time they are puppets, living under threat of blackmail or worse.

http://boilingfrogspost.com/wp-content/uploads/BF.0112.Tice_20130617.mp3

NSA whistle blower Russel Tice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%20Tice) explains in the link above.

About 60% in, he gets to who else was being tapped by the NSA.

The host says that it is now obvious journalists have been tapped.
Tice says it is worse than that:

Tice: "and I'll hit you with that right now, if if you are sitting down, and ready to keep your mouth from going wide open"
Host: "both of my ears are wide open, Russ"
Tice: "Ok, they went, they went after, and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things. They went after high ranking military officers. They went after members of congress, both senate and the house. Especially on the intelligence committees, and on the, the, armed services committees, and some of the, and and judicial."
"But they went after other ones too. They went after lawyers and law firms, all kinds of, heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges, one of the judges is now sitting on the supreme court that I have his, his wiretap information in my hand too... are former FISA court judges. They went after state department officials, they went after people in the executive, in the executive service, that were, that were part of the white house! Their own people! They went after anti-war groups. They went after US international, US companies that do international business, business, international business around the world. They went after US banking firms, financial firms that do, do international business."
"They went after NGO's that like the red cross, and people like that, that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. Um, they went after anti-war, civil, civil rights groups. So you know, don't tell me there is no abuse, because I've had this stuff in my hands, and looked at it."

About 2 minutes later, Host asks about potential for blackmail, Tice replies, "of course, but here is the big one. I haven't given you any names."

Tice: "this was in the summer of 2004, a bunch of the papers i held in my hand was to wiretap numbers, numbers associated with a forty-something year old wannabe senator from Illinois! You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It's a big white house in Washington D.C."

A few minutes later, he talks about sitting next to Feinstein, as she approves the wiretaping, and wants to laugh at her, and tell her, they have been wiretapping her too.

[phill4paul]

This is why I do not think George W. Bush or Obama are traitors. I've known for a long time they are puppets, living under threat of blackmail or worse.

They are traitors. The reasons why do not matter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ

[UWDude]

They are traitors. The reasons why do not matter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ

we'll see how you react when you got some deep-throated guy on the phone telling you to play ball or your daughter or son might have a horrible accident.

Have you ever seen Apt Pupil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118636/)?

[NIU Students for Liberty]

we'll see how you react when you got some deep-throated guy on the phone telling you to play ball or your daughter or son might have a horrible accident.

Have you ever seen Apt Pupil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118636/)?

There is nothing in Bush or Obama's political pasts that would suggest they were ever innocent patsies to begin with.

[phill4paul]

we'll see how you react when you got some deep-throated guy telling you to play ball or your daughter or son might have a horrible accident.

Have you ever seen Apt Pupil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118636/)?

I'd bag the guy right there. I'd torture the shit out of him. Then I'd shoot him in the head. I'd find who sent him and then I'd bag them. Then I would torture the shit out of them. Find out who sent them. Then I would shoot them in the head. It would be a mercy killing.

[ChristianAnarchist]

I'd bag the guy right there. I'd torture the shit out of him. Then I'd shoot him in the head. I'd find who sent him and then I'd bag them. Then I would torture the shit out of them. Find out who sent them. Then I would shoot them in the head. It would be a mercy killing.

Great movie material. In real life though, "he" would not be anywhere near you and you probably would never have the opportunity to be in the room with "him" or know where "he" lives.

[phill4paul]

Great movie material. In real life though, "he" would not be anywhere near you and you probably would never have the opportunity to be in the room with "him" or know where "he" lives.

Quite possibly. If I received "THAT" phone call then I'd just set my sites on the nearest "top" that could find.

[UWDude]

There is nothing in Bush or Obama's political pasts that would suggest they were ever innocent patsies to begin with.

I think both of them believed their campaign promises when they were running. I don't think either of them expected said Bill Hicks slide presentation once in the white house.

I could be wrong, they could be evil, but I just seriously have my doubts.

[limequat]

I think both of them believed their campaign promises when they were running. I don't think either of them expected said Bill Hicks slide presentation once in the white house.

I could be wrong, they could be evil, but I just seriously have my doubts.

I'm with you. I think they both campaigned honestly and then got turned. Reagan and Clinton too. 41 was evil to begin with.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Bush also changed his tune, after "choking on a pretzel"

This is funny.

[ZENemy]

Impeach the throne.

[talkingpointes]

I'm with you. I think they both campaigned honestly and then got turned. Reagan and Clinton too. 41 was evil to begin with.

Even knowing that both men were raised LITERALLY by the CIA. Obama's father for the first half of his life was his grandfather who was a CIA agent. I hope I don't have to explain who raised little bushie.

[jllundqu]

Does anyone think this is NOT the case? I mean, this would seem to be fairly standard for the last 50 years of our puppet government.

[jllundqu]

Even knowing that both men were raised LITERALLY by the CIA. Obama's father for the first half of his life was his grandfather who was a CIA agent. I hope I don
t have to explain who raised little bushie.

The Bush line goes way back... like Butler Rebellion pre-OSS stuff... freaking nazi

[Brian4Liberty]

http://boilingfrogspost.com/wp-content/uploads/BF.0112.Tice_20130617.mp3


Very interesting interview. The guest is very good. I don't know anything about the hosts.

[UWDude]

Shorter Youtube link added to OP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DmN80yi5mo

[CaptUSA]

You know, I guess I always thought that when the geeks took over there'd be less violence.

This must their nasty little revenge for their childhood.

[UWDude]

I'm glad to see the Blaze picked this story up. It is explosive.
When I viewed the youtube video this morning, it was about 400 hits. It is now nearing 9,000.

Apparently, boiling frog has one of it's hosts as Sibel Edmunds, the former FBI translator that claimed the US was working with Osama Bin Laden up to September 10, 2001.

She also claimed that a Turkish intelligence agency set up a congresswoman by having an underage girl seduce her, get it on videotape, and then blackmailed the congresswoman to vote against a resolution blaming Turkey for the Armenian genocide. This is not incredibly important, except that it struck me, and enhanced my cynicism and understanding of the power of blackmail in politics.

There is also a Simpsons episode that explains how blackmail in politics works too. :P

[UWDude]

I'm with you. I think they both campaigned honestly and then got turned. Reagan and Clinton too. 41 was evil to begin with.

41 is probably the force behind most of this, him and his Carlyle Group, him and his time at the CIA.

[UWDude]

Russ Tice has an interview with MSNBC.
He better do it live, or they'll try to twist it into their left-right paradigm.
It all makes sense now.
He NEEDS to talk about the blackmail. He NEEDS to make it clear, it was the intelligence agencies, not "George W. Bush". Bush was clueless. Junior was, at least, I senior wasn't. Tice chooses his words well.

It's like I can see the fucking demons driving this all.
Something monumental is about to happen.
I can feel it.

[limequat]

I was thinking about this yesterday and something hit me:

The last 3 presidents have had kids teenaged or younger. Prior to Clinton, presidents had kids but they were usually adult aged by time the president took office.

I think the powers-that-be learned a new trick. I bet all these kids had targets on their heads at one point.

Chelsea Clinton – February 27, 1980 (age 33)
Barbara Pierce Bush – November 25, 1981 (age 31)
Jenna Hager – November 25, 1981 (age 31)
Malia Obama – July 4, 1998 (age 14)
Sasha Obama – June 10, 2001 (age 12)

[limequat]

Also I wonder if the Clinton special investigation was the result of "them" trying to get Bill to play ball.

Is it possible Clinton actually sacrificed himself to prevent -say- a war???

[libertyjam]

Also I wonder if the Clinton special investigation was the result of "them" trying to get Bill to play ball.

Is it possible Clinton actually sacrificed himself to prevent -say- a war???

To believe that, you would have to believe in the whole concocted Starr Myth that has been sold to the public.

[limequat]

Huh?

[AuH20]

Also I wonder if the Clinton special investigation was the result of "them" trying to get Bill to play ball.

Is it possible Clinton actually sacrificed himself to prevent -say- a war???

Clinton moved up the political chain because he was ruthless. He was involved in the drug running that went in on Mena. That explains why he is so close to the Bushes.

[libertyjam]

Huh?

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/the-great-monica-lewinsky-misdirection-by-dc-dave/
http://www.wnd.com/2005/07/31315/

[UWDude]

So, ten minutes before the interview on MSNBC, Russ Tice is told he will not be allowed to talk about who was tapped.


http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/21/msnbc-censors-nsa-whistleblower-russ-tice-minutes-before-interview/



....at the last minute, MSNBC told Mr. Tice that they would NOT include his revelations on NSA’s targeting of Obama, elected officials, attorneys, judges and activists. Basically, they censored his entire testimony on these stunning allegations!

In a correspondence with Boiling Frogs Post immediately following his censored interview with MSNBC Mr. Tice stated:

“When they were placing the ear-phone in my ear with less than ten minutes left till my air time, the producer in New York said that their lawyers were discussing the material, and at this time, they did not want me to mention anything about the NSA wiretaps against all the people and organizations that I mentioned. That is how it went down. I did say on the air that I know it is much worse and would like to talk about that some time.”



the appearance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKyIil9OdF4

[RickyJ]

I think both of them believed their campaign promises when they were running. I don't think either of them expected said Bill Hicks slide presentation once in the white house.

I could be wrong, they could be evil, but I just seriously have my doubts.

I kind of doubt that. They were both hand picked for the job by the elite. They didn't pick people they did not think they could trust and would not happily do their bidding. Of course they have tons of dirt on them, that is their insurance policy if their puppets happen to get a conscience and try to actually do good once in office. Nope, both Obama and Bush were picked because they are evil to the core and easily controllable. They are indeed puppets, but evil puppets.

[liberty2897]

So, ten minutes before the interview on MSNBC, Russ Tice is told he will not be allowed to talk about who was tapped.


http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/21/msnbc-censors-nsa-whistleblower-russ-tice-minutes-before-interview/






the appearance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKyIil9OdF4

Was just going to post this video here. This is a good interview. I believe this man speaks the truth. Is much worse than what has been revealed thus far.
MSM: just keep saying metadata metadata metadata. next line of defense?

More truth is on the way.. (I hope).

[Aratus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DmN80yi5mo
I surmise this is why Obama did an about face on everything he promised while running. They got mounds of dirt on him.

Bush also changed his tune, after "choking on a pretzel"

This is why I do not think George W. Bush or Obama are traitors. I've known for a long time they are puppets, living under threat of blackmail or worse.

http://boilingfrogspost.com/wp-content/uploads/BF.0112.Tice_20130617.mp3

NSA whistle blower Russel Tice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%20Tice) explains in the link above.

About 60% in, he gets to who else was being tapped by the NSA.

The host says that it is now obvious journalists have been tapped.
Tice says it is worse than that:

Tice: "and I'll hit you with that right now, if if you are sitting down, and ready to keep your mouth from going wide open"
Host: "both of my ears are wide open, Russ"
Tice: "Ok, they went, they went after, and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things. They went after high ranking military officers. They went after members of congress, both senate and the house. Especially on the intelligence committees, and on the, the, armed services committees, and some of the, and and judicial."
"But they went after other ones too. They went after lawyers and law firms, all kinds of, heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges, one of the judges is now sitting on the supreme court that I have his, his wiretap information in my hand too... are former FISA court judges. They went after state department officials, they went after people in the executive, in the executive service, that were, that were part of the white house! Their own people! They went after anti-war groups. They went after US international, US companies that do international business, business, international business around the world. They went after US banking firms, financial firms that do, do international business."
"They went after NGO's that like the red cross, and people like that, that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. Um, they went after anti-war, civil, civil rights groups. So you know, don't tell me there is no abuse, because I've had this stuff in my hands, and looked at it."

About 2 minutes later, Host asks about potential for blackmail, Tice replies, "of course, but here is the big one. I haven't given you any names."

Tice: "this was in the summer of 2004, a bunch of the papers i held in my hand was to wiretap numbers, numbers associated with a forty-something year old wannabe senator from Illinois! You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It's a big white house in Washington D.C."

A few minutes later, he talks about sitting next to Feinstein, as she approves the wiretaping, and wants to laugh at her, and tell her, they have been wiretapping her too.

the super~snoops inside NSA have been accumulating info on people for years

[enhanced_deficit]

Yes, the NSA did wiretap Obama, before he was even president.

I surmise this is why Obama did an about face on everything he promised while running. They got mounds of dirt on him.

Bush also changed his tune, after "choking on a pretzel"

This is why I do not think George W. Bush or Obama are traitors. I've known for a long time they are puppets, living under threat of blackmail or worse.


EM.


Similar claims are being made about MAGA campaign lately:



Claim: 6 U.S. Agencies Conspired to Illegally Wiretap Trump; NSA Used British to Spy on Campaign (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?515138-6-U-S-Agencies-Conspired-to-Illegally-Wiretap-Trump-NSA-Used-British-to-Spy-on-Campaign&)





Do you then also disagree with Tea Party/Right Wing conservatives who have been accusing MAGA of flip-flopping and some even calling him a 'traitor'?

https://realgopillinois.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/RhxGpE6-300x300.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I55mlrJQg&feature=youtu.be&t=78)





On a related note, do you think threat scandals like following also played any role in Obama's Syria civil war/ISIS policies?
Trump had repeatedly called him 'Founding Father of ISIS' pre-election.

Publisher of the ‘Atlanta Jewish Times’ suggests Mossad should assassinate Obama over US mideast policy (http://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/publisher-of-the-atlanta-jewish-times-suggests-mossad-should-assassinate-obama.html)

James Woods on Obama: He’s the ‘gift from hel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428515-James-Woods-on-Obama-He%E2%80%99s-the-%E2%80%98gift-from-hell%E2%80%99&)l’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428515-James-Woods-on-Obama-He%E2%80%99s-the-%E2%80%98gift-from-hell%E2%80%99&)
The latest came this week, in response to a report from British press that revealed the National Security Agency commonly provides Israel with intelligence data — without first stripping out private and personal information on American citizens. The Guardian in London reported the item, the latest in its coverage of document leaks from Edward Snowden.






Impeach the throne.

Impeachments are a very radical solution.



Parallels are stunning if all of these reports are not fakenews.







Related

Coulter turns on MAGA's Labor Sec Acosta in Epstein case; cites ‘Blackmail Material’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536777-Coulter-turns-on-MAGA-s-Labor-Sec-Acosta-in-Epstein-case-cites-‘Blackmail-Material’&)

Jeffrey Epstein may have “blackmail material” related to “the sexual proclivities” of “powerful men,” speculated Ann Coulter during a Tuesday interview on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Tonight with host Rebecca Mansour and special guest host John Hayward.

Mega Reversal: From 'Anti-Semite' pre-election to 'Most Pro-Israel President Ever' post-election (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531152-Top-neocon-reverses-course-says-Trump-s-‘most-pro-Israel-president-ever’&)

Coulter on Trump : "Joke presidency who scammed the American people"
According to the Daily Beast (https://www.thedailybeast.com/ann-coulter-trump-will-have-no-legacy-whatsoever-without-wall), Coulter additionally noted that this current decision of Trump’s to back away from a shutdown over the border wall could permanently dismantle his legacy.

Conservative Gun Owners Of America leader on Trump: 'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519979-Conservative-leader-on-Trump-He-s-a-fraud-and-has-betrayed-us-twice-now&)

Drudge is turning on Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537144-Drudge-is-turning-on-Trump&)


https://pics.me.me/the-second-amendment-is-under-attack-the-constitution-must-be-31244671.png

[brushfire]

Reported...

Only the russians can threaten our democracy

[enhanced_deficit]

Only the russians can threaten our democracy

Not any more, that was pre-MAGA era when they did not respect our leaders.

[Occam's Banana]

Reported...

Only the russians can threaten our democracy

Reported ...

Anything Russia can do, America can do better ...

[UWDude]

So I point out Erectile Dysfunction is a White nationalist, and this thread gets necroed (probably quick "UWDude Obama" forum search, looking for pro-Obama dirt on me)

Anyways, just like to point out....


....This was over six years ago. in 2013, the idea that politicians could be owned by kompromat was cynical conspiracy theory.

As I warned the intelligence agencies, as they try to use conspiracy theories against their enemies, it only strengthens conspiracy theorists.

Now, because of the Russian Collusion conspiracy, most people in the United States now believe it is quite possible for a politician to be owned by blackmail.

Their political views may change over time, but they will never think the idea is ludicrous again.

It is just one of the many vectors from which truth will attack the lies, and win.

[Swordsmyth]

So I point out Erectile Dysfunction is a White nationalist, and this thread gets necroed (probably quick "UWDude Obama" forum search, looking for pro-Obama dirt on me)

Anyways, just like to point out....


....This was over six years ago. in 2013, the idea that politicians could be owned by kompromat was cynical conspiracy theory.

As I warned the intelligence agencies, as they try to use conspiracy theories against their enemies, it only strengthens conspiracy theorists.

Now, because of the Russian Collusion conspiracy, most people in the United States now believe it is quite possible for a politician to be owned by blackmail.

Their political views may change over time, but they will never think the idea is ludicrous again.

It is just one of the many vectors from which truth will attack the lies, and win.

Truth is a force of nature.

[enhanced_deficit]

Here we go again:





Sebastian Gorka: High-Level Obama DOJ Officials Will Be Charged With Very Serious Felonies, Be Patient


Ian Schwartz
August 8, 2019

Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump, takes aim at Google over its work in China. Gorka told FBN host Lou Dobbs that Google sees America as the problem and like to help nations that are against U.S. interests.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/08/08/sebastian_gorka_high-level_obama_doj_officials_will_be_charged_with_ver y_serious_felonies_be_patient.html

[enhanced_deficit]

Various theories and conspiracy theories aside, Jeffrey wasn't close to Obama actually.


https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/6342/9781634243018.jpghttps://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/7325/9781732547803.jpg

[UWDude]

another useless necro bump, better ban UWdude for pointing it out.

[tfurrh]

another useless necro bump, better ban UWdude for pointing it out.

As long as its not past 8...

[UWDude]

Various theories and conspiracy theories aside, Jeffrey wasn't close to Obama actually.


https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/6342/9781634243018.jpghttps://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/7325/9781732547803.jpg

necrobumping may be in style with anti-Modi axis jarvanka resisters, says new report

Also:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549165-Meuller-Team-members-quot-accidentally-quot-wipe-15-phones-after-DoJ-OIG-asks-for-them