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better-dead-than-fed
06-17-2013, 07:08 AM
Edward Snowden will appear today at the Guardian website, 11 am EST, for reader Q-and-A - ask him anything

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/346615166894489603

Warlord
06-17-2013, 07:11 AM
Awesome! Lets ask about Ron Paul!

FrankRep
06-17-2013, 07:12 AM
I wonder how fast the NSA will track down the communications the send in troops to arrest him.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 07:15 AM
Submitted:

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I would like to ask Edward what motivated him to donate to Ron Paul's presidential campaign and if he's aware that Ron praised him recently. Does he believe more Americans should listen to Ron Paul's message?
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Please upvote it or whatever you do with their system

Warlord
06-17-2013, 07:17 AM
I wonder how fast the NSA will track down the communications the send in troops to arrest him.

'An important caveat: the live chat is subject to Snowden's security concerns and also his access to a secure internet connection. It is possible that he will appear and disappear intermittently, so if it takes him a while to get through the questions, please be patient.'

Warlord
06-17-2013, 07:26 AM
Upvote the Ron Paul question. It should make it

Warlord
06-17-2013, 07:32 AM
Ron Paul question needs more votes...

ghengis86
06-17-2013, 07:49 AM
I wonder how fast the NSA will track down the communications the send in troops to arrest him.

My thought too...why the need for a live chat?

Maybe someone can ask why the full leak isn't being released by the Guardian and if they don't dump the data will he do it himself via WikiLeaks or some other server?

angelatc
06-17-2013, 07:57 AM
My thought too...why the need for a live chat?

Maybe someone can ask why the full leak isn't being released by the Guardian and if they don't dump the data will he do it himself via WikiLeaks or some other server?

He's answered thos several times already. Everybody that has seen the entire file has said that releasing it would seriously jeopardize national security.

liberty2897
06-17-2013, 07:59 AM
Please ask him what he thinks the most effective action the average person should take to fight these unconstitutional programs.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:01 AM
Go to "oldest first". A few posts down is the Ron Paul question.

Click "Recommend" on the right hand side of the box.

angelatc
06-17-2013, 08:06 AM
If you hover next to your name, you can get a link to the comment you want voted up. I asked if he saw any evidence that the elections were being tampered with, and I asked it here: http://discussion.guardian.co.uk/comment-permalink/24385297

I would appreciate a vote up.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:17 AM
Ron question has 20 votes!

Barrex
06-17-2013, 08:29 AM
Someone ask if he knows names of politicians that were spied on... Politicians dont care about others but will care if he shows them their dirty little secrets.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:33 AM
33 votes for Ron! Keep voting!

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:44 AM
38 votes! Need more

HOLLYWOOD
06-17-2013, 08:45 AM
This is awesome.... notifying everyone to get up on Twitter to join in, bump.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:46 AM
Ron Paul question on the first page too... just needs a little help to get in the top 10-15 or so

green73
06-17-2013, 08:47 AM
#AskSnowden not trending

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:50 AM
#AskSnowden not trending

It will in 10 minutes

HOLLYWOOD
06-17-2013, 09:00 AM
FYI...


https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2182259529/glenn_normal.jpg Glenn GreenwaldVerified account ‏@ggreenwald (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald)

Ed Snowden, now LIVE at the Guardian website, answering reader questions: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?commentpage=1 … (http://t.co/H90oBiAGv2)



Reply (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/346643389602725888#)
Retweet (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/346643389602725888#)
Favorite (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/346643389602725888#)



https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2814613165/f3c9e3989acac29769ce01b920f526bb_normal.pngThe Guardian (https://twitter.com/guardian)
Edward Snowden Q&A: NSA whistleblower answers your questions (http://t.co/H90oBiAGv2)

The whistleblower behind the biggest intelligence leak in NSA history will be live online at 11am ET/4pm BST to answer your questions about the NSA surveillance revelations
(http://t.co/H90oBiAGv2)
View on web (http://t.co/H90oBiAGv2)

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:03 AM
Excited to see if he answers the Ron Paul question.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:05 AM
Ron question has 20 votes!

permalink please

Elias Graves
06-17-2013, 09:05 AM
When and where is he answering these?

EricMuck
06-17-2013, 09:06 AM
where do his answers show up?

green73
06-17-2013, 09:06 AM
Twitter obviously suppressing this from trending.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:07 AM
permalink please

Find it on the 1st page. has 50+ votes

sailingaway
06-17-2013, 09:09 AM
Twitter obviously suppressing this from trending.

that does happen. Stuff that is not admired by the administration will slowly climb the trending list to the number two or number three spots, then as tweeting gets even heavier, will disappear. I'm personally certain they do it, but I could never prove it.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:10 AM
He answered Greenwald's question in detail:

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Let's begin with these:

1) Why did you choose Hong Kong to go to and then tell them about US hacking on their research facilities and universities?

2) How many sets of the documents you disclosed did you make, and how many different people have them? If anything happens to you, do they still exist?

Answer:

1) First, the US Government, just as they did with other whistleblowers, immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home, openly declaring me guilty of treason and that the disclosure of secret, criminal, and even unconstitutional acts is an unforgivable crime. That's not justice, and it would be foolish to volunteer yourself to it if you can do more good outside of prison than in it.

Second, let's be clear: I did not reveal any US operations against legitimate military targets. I pointed out where the NSA has hacked civilian infrastructure such as universities, hospitals, and private businesses because it is dangerous. These nakedly, aggressively criminal acts are wrong no matter the target. Not only that, when NSA makes a technical mistake during an exploitation operation, critical systems crash. Congress hasn't declared war on the countries - the majority of them are our allies - but without asking for public permission, NSA is running network operations against them that affect millions of innocent people. And for what? So we can have secret access to a computer in a country we're not even fighting? So we can potentially reveal a potential terrorist with the potential to kill fewer Americans than our own Police? No, the public needs to know the kinds of things a government does in its name, or the "consent of the governed" is meaningless.

2) All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:10 AM
Find it on the 1st page. has 50+ votes

oh that one :rolleyes: Post the permalink like angelic did.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:12 AM
So we can potentially reveal a potential terrorist with the potential to kill fewer Americans than our own Police?
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LOL, AF will be over the moon. He's definitely reading RPF!

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:14 AM
Question from Guardian journalist:

I should have asked you this when I saw you but never got round to it........Why did you just not fly direct to Iceland if that is your preferred country for asylum?

Answer:

Leaving the US was an incredible risk, as NSA employees must declare their foreign travel 30 days in advance and are monitored. There was a distinct possibility I would be interdicted en route, so I had to travel with no advance booking to a country with the cultural and legal framework to allow me to work without being immediately detained. Hong Kong provided that. Iceland could be pushed harder, quicker, before the public could have a chance to make their feelings known, and I would not put that past the current US administration.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:15 AM
Ron Paul question on the first page too... just needs a little help to get in the top 10-15 or so

hey I found it.
http://discussion.guardian.co.uk/comment-permalink/24383773

amy31416
06-17-2013, 09:16 AM
where do his answers show up?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?commentpage=1

Barrex
06-17-2013, 09:17 AM
When and where is he answering these?


where do his answers show up?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?commentpage=8

2 answewrs so far.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:18 AM
Question:

Are you suggesting that Manning indiscriminately dumped secrets into the hands of Wikileaks and that he intended to harm people?

Answer:

No, I'm not. Wikileaks is a legitimate journalistic outlet and they carefully redacted all of their releases in accordance with a judgment of public interest. The unredacted release of cables was due to the failure of a partner journalist to control a passphrase. However, I understand that many media outlets used the argument that "documents were dumped" to smear Manning, and want to make it clear that it is not a valid assertion here.

amy31416
06-17-2013, 09:19 AM
This Edward Snowden fellow, I like him.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:21 AM
Question:

Did you lie about your salary? What is the issue there? Why did you tell Glenn Greenwald that your salary was $200,000 a year, when it was only $122,000 (according to the firm that fired you.)

Answer:

I was debriefed by Glenn and his peers over a number of days, and not all of those conversations were recorded. The statement I made about earnings was that $200,000 was my "career high" salary. I had to take pay cuts in the course of pursuing specific work. Booz was not the most I've been paid.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:22 AM
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Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:22 AM
Both questions he's answered were submitted after the Ron Paul one. Looks like he's skipped it.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:24 AM
Question:

Why did you wait to release the documents if you said you wanted to tell the world about the NSA programs since before Obama became president?

Answer:

Obama's campaign promises and election gave me faith that he would lead us toward fixing the problems he outlined in his quest for votes. Many Americans felt similarly. Unfortunately, shortly after assuming power, he closed the door on investigating systemic violations of law, deepened and expanded several abusive programs, and refused to spend the political capital to end the kind of human rights violations like we see in Guantanamo, where men still sit without charge.

amy31416
06-17-2013, 09:28 AM
Both questions he's answered were submitted after the Ron Paul one. Looks like he's skipped it.

Maybe because RP alienates some of the progressives that are a big part of GG's audience and they wanted to stay politically neutral? I think there may be some merit in that.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:30 AM
Maybe because RP alienates some of the progressives that are a big part of GG's audience and they wanted to stay politically neutral? I think there may be some merit in that.

Possibly but would be nice to hear him elaborate on his donation. Obviously that would drive liberals crazy.

HOLLYWOOD
06-17-2013, 09:30 AM
I like this question...


Hello,
The corporate media in the United States is attempting to discredit you, launching a seemingly coordinated campaign around two central points. Could you rebut them so that there is some push back to their narrative? Basically:
1) They allege that going to Hong Kong, either implies some form of hypocrisy, or worse, they insinuate some sort of "betrayal" by going to the Chinese. Can you address this?
2) They allege that you couldn't possibly have access to what you claimed to have access to, due to the biographical details of your life, i.e. lack of a prominent degree. Can you explain more about your skills, and how common it might be fore someone like you to have achieved that kind of access?
3) They allege that PRISM is a vital tool for national security. Strictly from a utilitarian standpoint, legality aside: In your experience, was PRISM useful, useless, or worse, a waste of time rife with abuse?
Thank you for having taken a stand, and stay safe.

freejack
06-17-2013, 09:31 AM
Yeah forget the RP questions. We all know he's a supporter. I'd rather know if the dotcoms are telling the truth about the PRISM disclosures.

HOLLYWOOD
06-17-2013, 09:33 AM
Maybe because RP alienates some of the progressives that are a big part of GG's audience and they wanted to stay politically neutral? I think there may be some merit in that.Exactly... keep the politics out... this is about tyranny and clear violations of the US Constitution. FASCISM, ELITISM, and a severe policy coup of Washington DC.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:33 AM
Question:

1) Define in as much detail as you can what "direct access" means.

2) Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?

Answer:

1) More detail on how direct NSA's accesses are is coming, but in general, the reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc analyst has access to query raw SIGINT databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want. Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on - it's all the same. The restrictions against this are policy based, not technically based, and can change at any time. Additionally, audits are cursory, incomplete, and easily fooled by fake justifications. For at least GCHQ, the number of audited queries is only 5% of those performed.

amy31416
06-17-2013, 09:34 AM
Damn. I should have asked him what form of communication he'd use if he were an ordinary US citizen.

I'm thinking that old-timey USPS might be the way to go, despite the many drawbacks.

fearthereaperx
06-17-2013, 09:34 AM
1) Define in as much detail as you can what "direct access" means.

2) Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?

Answer:


1) More detail on how direct NSA's accesses are is coming, but in general, the reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc analyst has access to query raw SIGINT databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want. Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on - it's all the same. The restrictions against this are policy based, not technically based, and can change at any time. Additionally, audits are cursory, incomplete, and easily fooled by fake justifications. For at least GCHQ, the number of audited queries is only 5% of those performed.

Snowden skipped the second question...

sailingaway
06-17-2013, 09:36 AM
Maybe because RP alienates some of the progressives that are a big part of GG's audience and they wanted to stay politically neutral? I think there may be some merit in that.

There are bots on twitter smearing Ron. I know they are bots because they have blocked me before I ever respond to them, they tweet the exact same lines and obviously share block lists (they don't like evidence contradicting them posted in their twitter answer so when someone clicks to see their smear media they see a contrary response.) A few days ago those bots were smearing Glenn and Ron together and are trying still to get progressives to not like Snowden because 'he's a Ron Paul supporter, 'nuff said'. They control their side by smearing Ron all the time to taint him and make it unacceptable to support him. Now they are saying basically that Glenn Greenwald showed his true colors by defending Ron during the campaign and that 'shows where he is coming from'. It is stupid, playground stuff, but they must think it works because a number of bots have been using the same lines.

Valli6
06-17-2013, 09:36 AM
Maybe because RP alienates some of the progressives that are a big part of GG's audience and they wanted to stay politically neutral? I think there may be some merit in that.
I'm hoping Ron Paul figures in one of the upcoming "bombshells" so he'll skip the topic for now.

sailingaway
06-17-2013, 09:37 AM
Possibly but would be nice to hear him elaborate on his donation. Obviously that would drive liberals crazy.

Yeah, but it could also splinter support for Snowden and, swallowing hard, it is the issue we want to push. Ron would.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:38 AM
I see these fucktards get retweeted from time to time by heavy duty libertarians. Why?


Blogs of War ‏@BlogsofWar 4m

#AskSnowden chat so far - nothing new but delusion, astronomical levels of naivete and narcissism are definitely on display.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:38 AM
Maybe he's had to change locations because he's not answered anything for 10 mins.

Remember he's on the run!

fearthereaperx
06-17-2013, 09:39 AM
alright he's spending some time answering it now...


2) NSA likes to use "domestic" as a weasel word here for a number of reasons. The reality is that due to the FISA Amendments Act and its section 702 authorities, Americans’ communications are collected and viewed on a daily basis on the certification of an analyst rather than a warrant. They excuse this as "incidental" collection, but at the end of the day, someone at NSA still has the content of your communications. Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.

Glenn Greenwald follow up: When you say "someone at NSA still has the content of your communications" - what do you mean? Do you mean they have a record of it, or the actual content?

Snowden: Both. If I target for example an email address, for example under FAA 702, and that email address sent something to you, Joe America, the analyst gets it. All of it. IPs, raw data, content, headers, attachments, everything. And it gets saved for a very long time - and can be extended further with waivers rather than warrants.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:39 AM
11 minutes since last answer. I'm getting old here.

Barrex
06-17-2013, 09:40 AM
There are bots on twitter smearing Ron. I know they are bots because they have blocked me before I ever respond to them, they tweet the exact same lines and obviously share block lists (they don't like evidence contradicting them posted in their twitter answer so when someone clicks to see their smear media they see a contrary response.) A few days ago those bots were smearing Glenn and Ron together and are trying still to get progressives to not like Snowden because 'he's a Ron Paul supporter, 'nuff said'. They control their side by smearing Ron all the time to taint him and make it unacceptable to support him. Now they are saying basically that Glenn Greenwald showed his true colors by defending Ron during the campaign and that 'shows where he is coming from'. It is stupid, playground stuff, but they must think it works because a number of bots have been using the same lines.

Forward that to Glenn. I will be interesting if he decides to dig deeper and find out if government is doing it....
Propaganda.
Someone can post this in chat.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:41 AM
Drudge already twisting the truth:

SNOWDEN: Gov't wants to murder me...

HOLLYWOOD
06-17-2013, 09:41 AM
I see these fucktards get retweeted from time to time by heavy duty libertarians. Why?Don't forget the US government also funds all the social media with Trolls& BOTS to steer the public to their thought pattern reasoning.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:42 AM
Question:

What are your thoughts on Google's and Facebook's denials? Do you think that they're honestly in the dark about PRISM, or do you think they're compelled to lie?

Perhaps this is a better question to a lawyer like Greenwald, but: If you're presented with a secret order that you're forbidding to reveal the existence of, what will they actually do if you simply refuse to comply (without revealing the order)?

Answer:

Their denials went through several revisions as it become more and more clear they were misleading and included identical, specific language across companies. As a result of these disclosures and the clout of these companies, we're finally beginning to see more transparency and better details about these programs for the first time since their inception.

They are legally compelled to comply and maintain their silence in regard to specifics of the program, but that does not comply them from ethical obligation. If for example Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Apple refused to provide this cooperation with the Intelligence Community, what do you think the government would do? Shut them down?

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:45 AM
Don't forget the US government also funds all the social media with Trolls& BOTS to steer the public to their thought pattern reasoning.

And sooner or later RPF is going to get them. In fact I think they have already.

green73
06-17-2013, 09:49 AM
And sooner or later RPF is going to get them. In fact I think they have already.

Randbots?

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:52 AM
Randbots?

There are plenty of trolls on here if you know how to spot them.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 09:58 AM
He's quoting the Founders.

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Question:

Ed Snowden, I thank you for your brave service to our country.

Some skepticism exists about certain of your claims, including this:

I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal email.

Do you stand by that, and if so, could you elaborate?

Answer:

Yes, I stand by it. US Persons do enjoy limited policy protections (and again, it's important to understand that policy protection is no protection - policy is a one-way ratchet that only loosens) and one very weak technical protection - a near-the-front-end filter at our ingestion points. The filter is constantly out of date, is set at what is euphemistically referred to as the "widest allowable aperture," and can be stripped out at any time. Even with the filter, US comms get ingested, and even more so as soon as they leave the border. Your protected communications shouldn't stop being protected communications just because of the IP they're tagged with.

More fundamentally, the "US Persons" protection in general is a distraction from the power and danger of this system. Suspicionless surveillance does not become okay simply because it's only victimizing 95% of the world instead of 100%. Our founders did not write that "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all US Persons are created equal."

green73
06-17-2013, 09:58 AM
There are plenty of trolls on here if you know how to spot them.

I have a good idea. And they are not the ones overtly hostile to libertarianism.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:00 AM
I have a good idea. And they are not the ones overtly hostile to libertarianism.

Look in the economics forum.

enhanced_deficit
06-17-2013, 10:00 AM
This guy is a real deal.


More fundamentally, the "US Persons" protection in general is a distraction from the power and danger of this system. Suspicionless surveillance does not become okay simply because it's only victimizing 95% of the world instead of 100%. Our founders did not write that "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all US Persons are created equal."

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:05 AM
Question:

Edward, there is rampant speculation, outpacing facts, that you have or will provide classified US information to the Chinese or other governments in exchange for asylum. Have/will you?

Answer:

This is a predictable smear that I anticipated before going public, as the US media has a knee-jerk "RED CHINA!" reaction to anything involving HK or the PRC, and is intended to distract from the issue of US government misconduct. Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.

EBounding
06-17-2013, 10:06 AM
This guy is awesome.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:08 AM
Here's a little contradiction: He said he couldn't fly to Iceland because NSA employees are monitored and have to submit travel trips 30 days in advance so how did he get a flight to HK? Surely that would pop up on the "system".

green73
06-17-2013, 10:08 AM
Look in the economics forum.

Nobody cares about those ones. It's the ones who pretend to be libertarians who are the problem.

freejack
06-17-2013, 10:09 AM
Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.


LOLS

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:11 AM
Question:

US officials say terrorists already altering TTPs because of your leaks, & calling you traitor. Respond?

Answer:

US officials say this every time there's a public discussion that could limit their authority. US officials also provide misleading or directly false assertions about the value of these programs, as they did just recently with the Zazi case, which court documents clearly show was not unveiled by PRISM.

Journalists should ask a specific question: since these programs began operation shortly after September 11th, how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive that, and ask yourself if it was worth it. Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.

amy31416
06-17-2013, 10:14 AM
Here's a little contradiction: He said he couldn't fly to Iceland because NSA employees are monitored and have to submit travel trips 30 days in advance so how did he get a flight to HK? Surely that would pop up on the "system".

You'd think. But he and his gf had vacationed there before, so perhaps it wouldn't raise flags like a trip to Iceland, which is a known haven.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:14 AM
Question:

Is encrypting my email any good at defeating the NSA survelielance? Id my data protected by standard encryption?

Answer:

Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on. Unfortunately, endpoint security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways around it.
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Warlord recommends GPG4USB for encrypting messages/mail. It's very easy even for a dumb Afghan.

freejack
06-17-2013, 10:18 AM
Question:

Is encrypting my email any good at defeating the NSA survelielance? Id my data protected by standard encryption?

Answer:

Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on. Unfortunately, endpoint security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways around it.
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Warlord recommends GPG4USB for encrypting messages/mail. It's very easy even for a dumb Afghan.

Right but if your OS is compromised everything else means jack.

FrankRep
06-17-2013, 10:22 AM
I wonder how many software encryption programs have special NSA backdoor keys built in.

ZENemy
06-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Right but if your OS is compromised everything else means jack.

Ubuntu is a good START


Anyone who is not familiar with it or has not looked at Ubuntu in a long time should take a look its improved a lot.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:26 AM
Question:


Do you believe that the treatment of Binney, Drake and others influenced your path? Do you feel the "system works" so to speak? #AskSnowden


Answer:

Binney, Drake, Kiriakou, and Manning are all examples of how overly-harsh responses to public-interest whistle-blowing only escalate the scale, scope, and skill involved in future disclosures. Citizens with a conscience are not going to ignore wrong-doing simply because they'll be destroyed for it: the conscience forbids it. Instead, these draconian responses simply build better whistleblowers. If the Obama administration responds with an even harsher hand against me, they can be assured that they'll soon find themselves facing an equally harsh public response.

This disclosure provides Obama an opportunity to appeal for a return to sanity, constitutional policy, and the rule of law rather than men. He still has plenty of time to go down in history as the President who looked into the abyss and stepped back, rather than leaping forward into it. I would advise he personally call for a special committee to review these interception programs, repudiate the dangerous "State Secrets" privilege, and, upon preparing to leave office, begin a tradition for all Presidents forthwith to demonstrate their respect for the law by appointing a special investigator to review the policies of their years in office for any wrongdoing. There can be no faith in government if our highest offices are excused from scrutiny - they should be setting the example of transparency.

CPUd
06-17-2013, 10:27 AM
I wonder how many software encryption programs have special NSA backdoor keys built in.

None of the open source ones.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:29 AM
Question:

What would you say to others who are in a position to leak classified information that could improve public understanding of the intelligence apparatus of the USA and its effect on civil liberties?

What evidence do you have that refutes the assertion that the NSA is unable to listen to the content of telephone calls without an explicit and defined court order from FISC?

Answer:

This country is worth dying for.

otherone
06-17-2013, 10:33 AM
Late again....anything on the NSA being used for political reasons similar to the IRS?

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:34 AM
Late again....anything on the NSA being used for political reasons similar to the IRS?

No, every q&a has been posted in the thread so far

asurfaholic
06-17-2013, 10:34 AM
Question:

What would you say to others who are in a position to leak classified information that could improve public understanding of the intelligence apparatus of the USA and its effect on civil liberties?

What evidence do you have that refutes the assertion that the NSA is unable to listen to the content of telephone calls without an explicit and defined court order from FISC?

Answer:

This country is worth dying for.

Now he is breaking my heart.

I can only dream of being this true of a patriot.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:35 AM
Question:

My question: given the enormity of what you are facing now in terms of repercussions, can you describe the exact moment when you knew you absolutely were going to do this, no matter the fallout, and what it now feels like to be living in a post-revelation world? Or was it a series of moments that culminated in action? I think it might help other people contemplating becoming whistleblowers if they knew what the ah-ha moment was like. Again, thanks for your courage and heroism.

Answer:

I imagine everyone's experience is different, but for me, there was no single moment. It was seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to Congress - and therefore the American people - and the realization that that Congress, specifically the Gang of Eight, wholly supported the lies that compelled me to act. Seeing someone in the position of James Clapper - the Director of National Intelligence - baldly lying to the public without repercussion is the evidence of a subverted democracy. The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed.
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What does he mean by Gang of 8? The Gang on the immigration bill?

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:38 AM
Follow-up from the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman:

Regarding whether you have secretly given classified information to the Chinese government, some are saying you didn't answer clearly - can you give a flat no?

Answer:

No. I have had no contact with the Chinese government. Just like with the Guardian and the Washington Post, I only work with journalists.

Dr.3D
06-17-2013, 10:40 AM
snip
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What does he mean by Gang of 8? The Gang on the immigration bill?
The Gang of Eight refers to eight members of Congress who must be briefed by the executive branch on matters of intelligence.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/g/gang_of_eight.htm

AuH20
06-17-2013, 10:41 AM
Ask his opinion about Sharyl Atkisson's computer.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:43 AM
Question:

So far are things going the way you thought they would regarding a public debate? – tikkamasala

Answer:

Initially I was very encouraged. Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:44 AM
The Gang of Eight refers to eight members of Congress who must be briefed by the executive branch on matters of intelligence.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/g/gang_of_eight.htm

Thank you for clearing that up

Warlord
06-17-2013, 10:44 AM
Final question from Glenn Greenwald:

Anything else you’d like to add?

Answer:

Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance.

shane77m
06-17-2013, 10:48 AM
Question:

So far are things going the way you thought they would regarding a public debate? – tikkamasala

Answer:

Initially I was very encouraged. Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history.

Who won last Super Bowl? What did Honey Boo Boo do last night? What are the Kardashians doing? Who sang on American Idol last night?

CPUd
06-17-2013, 10:55 AM
Oh shit- check out the comment section, not so much for the content, but the structure:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/17/politics/nsa-leaks/index.html

nbruno322
06-17-2013, 11:01 AM
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it."

"The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed."

"Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are."

"Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history."

~Edward Snowden

enhanced_deficit
06-17-2013, 11:07 AM
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it."

"The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed."

"Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are."

"Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history."

~Edward Snowden


Pretty compelling arguments he makes.
No wonder Greenwald is hanging out with this guy.


On a different note, why pupms gave Congress survail immunity but all common Americans are fair game? For fear of finding loads of corruption, insider trading, briberies, horse trading?

Dr.3D
06-17-2013, 11:15 AM
Pretty compelling arguments he makes.
No wonder Greenwald is hanging out with this guy.


On a different note, why pupms gave Congress survail immunity but all common Americans are fair game? For fear of finding loads of corruption, insider trading, briberies, horse trading?
Well, can't have the government authorize itself to sniff it's own behind now can we? I doubt they would find anything even if they did. After all, if they didn't want to find anything, you can bet they wouldn't.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 11:15 AM
Missed the comments on Cheney, thanks for updating!

kcchiefs6465
06-17-2013, 11:30 AM
http://i.imgur.com/kgvn6bg.png?1


http://i.imgur.com/w3Fd2qk.png?1


http://i.imgur.com/AinIUbK.png?1


http://i.imgur.com/rpF6QXT.png?1



No thank you. FWIW I talked to Daniel Ellsberg the other day and had no problem whatsoever.

angelatc
06-17-2013, 11:40 AM
You'd think. But he and his gf had vacationed there before, so perhaps it wouldn't raise flags like a trip to Iceland, which is a known haven.

I don't think he said he couldn't go to Iceland. He said he didn't pick Iceland because he was afraid they wouldn't be able to stand up to the initial pressure of having him there.

Anti Federalist
06-17-2013, 11:48 AM
So we can potentially reveal a potential terrorist with the potential to kill fewer Americans than our own Police?
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LOL, AF will be over the moon. He's definitely reading RPF!


"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it."

"The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed."

"Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are."

"Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history."

~Edward Snowden


http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tumblr_lp94rnFP461qdezf9o1_400.gif

Anti Federalist
06-17-2013, 12:49 PM
The Gang of Eight refers to eight members of Congress who must be briefed by the executive branch on matters of intelligence.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/g/gang_of_eight.htm

Very apropos, since the original term, "Gang of Four", described a bunch of bloodthirsty Communists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four

TheTexan
06-17-2013, 01:05 PM
This guy's status just changed from hero to superhero imo. I thought for sure he would have been suicided by now, fact that hes still alive AND still is free to do interviews AND has largely survived attempted character assassination.... its impressive.

Godspeed ES, stay safe...

Warlord
06-17-2013, 01:07 PM
This guy's status just changed from hero to superhero imo. I thought for sure he would have been suicided by now, fact that hes still alive AND still is free to do interviews AND has largely survived attempted character assassination.... its impressive.

Godspeed ES, stay safe...

Hero... even Oliver Stone got the meme (to loud applause)

www.drudgereport.com

Peace Piper
06-17-2013, 01:08 PM
Ubuntu is a good START
Anyone who is not familiar with it or has not looked at Ubuntu in a long time should take a look its improved a lot.
http://www.ubuntu.com/

Ubuntu has tracking built in (12.10 at least)


The October 2012 release of 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) introduced the display of contextual advertising in Dash, the desktop search component of the default desktop environment, Unity. A considerable volume of criticism resulted from this development. Responding in September to criticism of the beta release, Canonical owner Mark Shuttleworth argued that "We’re not putting ads in Ubuntu. We’re integrating online scope results into the home lens of the dash."[134] Canonical staffer Jono Bacon described the advertisements as "suggestions", arguing that the revenue they generate for Canonical is necessary "to continue to grow and improve Ubuntu."[135]

In its default configuration, version 12.10 also assumes that users have agreed to allow Ubuntu's parent company Canonical to collect user search data and IP addresses and to disclose this information to third parties including Facebook, Twitter, BBC and Amazon, drawing criticism from privacy advocates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#Controversy

Richard Stallman says Ubuntu Linux is 'spyware' (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2257118/richard-stallman-says-ubuntu-linux-is-spyware)

Canonical released Ubuntu 12.10 last October with Amazon search integrated into its Dash desktop search function.

Although Ubuntu users can opt out and Canonical claims it anonymises users' search information before sending it to Amazon, the change resulted in Ubuntu users being shown Amazon ads in response to desktop search queries.

Debian isn't compromised yet, as far as I know

Mint Debian (http://www.linuxmint.com/) is pretty easy if you know how to partition a disk. Almost as easy as Ubuntu

tod evans
06-17-2013, 01:26 PM
Rock on ES!

:D

Warlord
06-17-2013, 01:58 PM
This thread should be archived forever.

Thank you better for letting us know.

ClydeCoulter
06-17-2013, 02:43 PM
"Our founders did not write that 'We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all US Persons are created equal.'" ~Edward Snowden

https://twitter.com/TheLoneCoyote/status/346729697092173824

CPUd
06-17-2013, 04:15 PM
Ubuntu has tracking built in (12.10 at least)


The October 2012 release of 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) introduced the display of contextual advertising in Dash, the desktop search component of the default desktop environment, Unity. A considerable volume of criticism resulted from this development. Responding in September to criticism of the beta release, Canonical owner Mark Shuttleworth argued that "We’re not putting ads in Ubuntu. We’re integrating online scope results into the home lens of the dash."[134] Canonical staffer Jono Bacon described the advertisements as "suggestions", arguing that the revenue they generate for Canonical is necessary "to continue to grow and improve Ubuntu."[135]

In its default configuration, version 12.10 also assumes that users have agreed to allow Ubuntu's parent company Canonical to collect user search data and IP addresses and to disclose this information to third parties including Facebook, Twitter, BBC and Amazon, drawing criticism from privacy advocates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#Controversy

Richard Stallman says Ubuntu Linux is 'spyware' (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2257118/richard-stallman-says-ubuntu-linux-is-spyware)

Canonical released Ubuntu 12.10 last October with Amazon search integrated into its Dash desktop search function.

Although Ubuntu users can opt out and Canonical claims it anonymises users' search information before sending it to Amazon, the change resulted in Ubuntu users being shown Amazon ads in response to desktop search queries.

Debian isn't compromised yet, as far as I know

Mint Debian (http://www.linuxmint.com/) is pretty easy if you know how to partition a disk. Almost as easy as Ubuntu


You can disable (get out of) the Unity Desktop by :
$ apt-get install gnome-panel

then log out and log back in using the Gnome Classic desktop.

Warlord
06-17-2013, 08:09 PM
Bump for evening crew.

tangent4ronpaul
06-17-2013, 08:17 PM
Ubuntu has so many variants - I would be amazed if one wasn't focused on privacy and nuked all that crap....

-t

angelatc
06-17-2013, 08:21 PM
On a side note - the Democrats are having a really hard time admitting that Obama and Cheney are on the same side of this. hxxp://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034394

sailingaway
06-17-2013, 08:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/te8OyPc.jpg?1

silverhandorder
06-17-2013, 08:22 PM
I love this Q&A. Very eloquent answers. My co-workers liked the exchange too. Most people around me are not happy but resigned to surviving this crap rather then painting a target on them selves. With these revelations more and more people are going through quite revolutions of their own.

liberty2897
06-17-2013, 08:25 PM
Ubuntu has so many variants - I would be amazed if one wasn't focused on privacy and nuked all that crap....
-t

It's called debian (actually ubuntu is a debian variant). I've been enjoying it for over 15 years. http://www.debian.org/

I'd recommend staying away from this Linux distribution:

htxx://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/

HOLLYWOOD
06-18-2013, 01:08 AM
On a side note - the Democrats are having a really hard time admitting that Obama and Cheney are on the same side of this. hxxp://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034394There's some serious full on mental disabilities @ DU, I mean full on stupid or board/government trolls. Their free speech is crap:
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/imgs/rtable-line.gifhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/imgs/rtable-fork.gifhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/imgs/reply-old.gif that's correct. People here are forgetting that he's a Fuck Ron Pauler. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034394#post64)
Whisp
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/imgs/rtable-line.gifhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/imgs/rtable-turn.gifhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/imgs/reply-old.gif @#$% Ron Paul. And his little dog Snowden too! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034394#post66)
Scurrilous
5 hrs ago
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Bad bad Government. The rest sound like excuses in order to leak. Using Obama is bullshit. And the same with Clapper's screwed up response of collecting phone numbers. All an excuse to attack the bad bad Government.
Yeah, Snowden is painting a good picture of where he stands. I woke up this morning saying this isn't about Snowden. Well, he's making this about him now.

Anti Federalist
06-19-2013, 12:25 PM
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