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Carson
06-15-2013, 12:10 PM
So I get a notice I qualify for a new faster modem for my cable. It takes me from 2. something to 3. something for the new faster speeds. I think Great! Send me one.

The next day I'm minding my own business when I stumble on this story.


Comcast's latest routers encourage others to steal your bandwidth, identity


Link to story;

http://www.uproxx.com/technology/2013/06/comcast-makes-customer-routers-public-wifi-points/


Link to Fark discussion;

http://www.fark.com/comments/7790262/Comcasts-latest-routers-encourage-others-to-steal-your-bandwidth-identity


Now I don't know about the stealing bandwidth but I suppose it makes for a funny headline. But I didn't know it was even wireless. Plus it is wireless times two with a private network and a public network being broadcast.

Now I'm pretty old. I haven't come over to the wireless side of life. I have reservations. I feel to much radio signal propagation isn't good health wise. I also feel it to be more effective in boiling off atmosphere than ozone. That is just a theory. The test are still underway.


Anyway I'm not really into wireless. I looked on the Internet for ways to disable it. Some say it can only be done by calling a special number. Still I have no idea if this disables both public and private signals or just stops you from being able to log in. When I returned it a guy showed me a button he said you could push to use your own router instead of the wireless. Still I don't know if it disable the radio frequency broadcast.

Also on the Internet they all said they had a regular 3.0 router. The guy at the store said they don't have it anymore. There was only one choice now. Sound familiar?

So here I set trying to stop the future from rushing in. Rush it will I suppose. I guess I should have just kept it. Sucked up to the extra power it would be using for the socialist WiFi network and dropped it in a trash can that would act as a Faraday Cage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage)to block the signal. In fact after all of this I suspect I will be fashioning a tinfoil hat and working on some sort of metallic wallpaper.

CPUd
06-15-2013, 12:41 PM
what is the brand and model# of the device?

FrankRep
06-15-2013, 12:43 PM
I don't understand your "new world order WIFI" comment.

Root
06-15-2013, 12:49 PM
Nobody is stealing "your" bandwidth. The older DOCSIS 2.0 modems are being phased out for DOCSIS 3.0 modems.

If your package is 25 megabits per second, and the modem is capable of 100 megabits per second, the "other" 75 megabits per second is offered to the public side for other Cable customers.

Also, there's plenty of 2.4GHz RF signals coming into your home already as well as other frequencies. Think of all the satellites in orbit beaming radio waves down to earth, FM radio stations, DTV signals, cordless phones, etc.

CPUd
06-15-2013, 12:52 PM
Yes, cable modems are capable of doing a lot more bandwidth than what most people get. They are provisioned by the ISP when they set up your account. That little box has several different components in it now: modem, router, WAP, switch.

If you are good with a soldering iron, you can uncap the modem, but the white van will be at your house by the end of the day. It is the 1 thing they really watch for when 'securing' their network.

Carson
06-15-2013, 12:54 PM
I don't understand your "new world order WIFI" comment.

We are locked into very few options of internet providers. There wouldn't be many people involved in getting all of them on board to get a network set up.

According to my provider we have one choice. That choice is a wireless router that broadcast a signal open to the public. I haven't checked but I've been setting in the back of this turnip truck for a long time and can't help but suspect that every other provider will soon have the same one option.

Carson
06-15-2013, 12:56 PM
what is the brand and model# of the device?


Pretty sure it was this one.

SMCD3GNV EZ Connect™

http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&localeCode=EN_USA&cid=2&scid=19&pid=1715

liberty2897
06-15-2013, 01:06 PM
If you are good with a soldering iron, you can uncap the modem, but the white van will be at your house by the end of the day. It is the 1 thing they really watch for when 'securing' their network.

I kind of doubt that. I believe the modems will negotiate for the highest possible throughput for a given transmission line quality. I'm pretty sure that they control bandwidth by mac address on their routers (in software). If you have a link to something that shows otherwise, I would certainly find that interesting.

Root
06-15-2013, 01:10 PM
If you are good with a soldering iron, you can uncap the modem, but the white van will be at your house by the end of the day. It is the 1 thing they really watch for when 'securing' their network.

That is theft of services. Don't do it.

Carson
06-15-2013, 01:15 PM
Yes, cable modems are capable of doing a lot more bandwidth than what most people get. They are provisioned by the ISP when they set up your account. That little box has several different components in it now: modem, router, WAP, switch.

If you are good with a soldering iron, you can uncap the modem, but the white van will be at your house by the end of the day. It is the 1 thing they really watch for when 'securing' their network.

I'm not really concerned with the magic of being able to receive my signal up to speed over the same cable while it is be shared with an uninvited guest. What I wondering is would the white van show up if you fired up the soldering iron and disabled the WiFi broadcast.

Actually not really either now. But still...

DamianTV
06-15-2013, 01:23 PM
Plug your computer DIRECTLY into the Modem / Router / Device. Then make sure you can browse around the internet.

There should be a Sticker on the Modem / Router / Device telling you how to get into it.

IP Address: 10.0.0.1 or 192.168.0.1
User Name: Admin
Password: 4Zq83G!

Take the IP address and type it into the Address Bar in your browser. This is where it says http://www.RonPaulForums.com/somejunk up at the top. It should ask you for a User Name and Password.

Once you can get in, it will be a Web Page. This web page is coming from the Device. If you change any settings in here, it affects the Device, not your computer. From here, you'll just have to look for things that say WiFi or Wireless. Anything that says Wifi or Wireless should have an option to be eitehr Enabled or Disabled. If you have NO wifi devices (iPhone, iPad, TV, laptop) etc, I'd just set them ALL to Disabled.

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What is happening here is that pretty much all new technology that is coming out is being built with Internet Connectivity in mind. It is sold to the public as being able to get your iPhone or iPad online. TV's are now pressing to always be connected to the internet. So people are reacting by demanding easy WIFI for all their devices in ther home. This will end up on every piece of electronics in your house demanding to be connected to the internet. Once you get "easy WIFI" working so your friends can come over and get internet on their iPhones without doing any sort of configuration, any other devices that also have WIFI will also have the ability to connect to the internet. So if say you get a new Dishwasher, that dishwasher may very well have WIFI built into it. Just plugging it in allows the Dishwaster to tell everyone your exact physical location and what ever data it can collect, so WIFI isnt just used for the iPhones, but since the door is now wide open, your TOASTER with built in WIFI can now talk to whoever it was designed to talk to.

Now just imagine when you get a brand new Toilet. And that toilet does a drug test and Sodium Screening on you every time you drop a deuce. The toilet phones home to tell whoever it talks to all of this data. This data on your duece is worth a shitload of money (heh, no pun intended) becaue they can sell it to whoever offers them money. All without your concent or even awareness. Oh, by the way, if your Internet Ready Blender that doesnt tell you it can phone home can not connect to YOUR wifi, it will be just as happy to connect to your Neighbors open Public Wifi and use that to phone home. Thats where the "Stealing Bandwidth" comes into play. The Blender doesnt care and cant tell the difference between your wifi and your neighbors when they are "Open". It just sees an available internet connection and phones home every time you use it. Eventually, your Refrigerator will be designed to betray you. It will phone home on ANY available internet connection to tell whoever it can tell about what you have in your Fridge. This is easy to do because everything in your fridge is Packaged. Those packages can contain RFID chips that provide information on what the package contains. Turkey Meat, Salad Dressing, etc. Fresh Veggies in plastic bags will be a bit harder to identify.

One thing is guaranteed, when every aspect of your life is monitored to this degree, all this information WILL be used against you. Obamacare is one example. And even if you are not doing anything wrong, when you dont have ANY control over this information, you have no ability to control whether or not this information will be used Objectively or Subjectively. Subjectively means that if you drink Coca Cola products, you are now an ENEMY of Pepsi Cola. Subjectively, everything that you do, in someones eyes will be WRONG. So dont think that just because you dont do anything WRONG, someone somewhere will Subjectively consider what you are doing to be WRONG. And that information will eventually be used AGAINST you.

liberty2897
06-15-2013, 01:26 PM
One thing is guaranteed, when every aspect of your life is monitored to this degree, all this information WILL be used against you. Obamacare is one example. And even if you are not doing anything wrong, when you dont have ANY control over this information, you have no ability to control whether or not this information will be used Objectively or Subjectively. Subjectively means that if you drink Coca Cola products, you are now an ENEMY of Pepsi Cola. Subjectively, everything that you do, in someones eyes will be WRONG. So dont think that just because you dont do anything WRONG, someone somewhere will Subjectively consider what you are doing to be WRONG. And that information will eventually be used AGAINST you.

I can't give this post enough ++++rep

Carson
06-15-2013, 01:38 PM
DamianTV,

It doesn't seem to be so straight forward on the new stuff.

http://forums.comcast.com/t5/Basic-Internet-Connectivity-And/Turn-off-SMCD3GNV-All-in-One-WiFi/td-p/946365



06-01-2011 10:57 PM

Snip...

Looking through the administration settings on the SMCD3GNV, I don't see a way to turn off the WiFi radio. Does anyone know how to turn it off? No sense in tossing around extra radio waves in the already crowded 2.4 GHz range.

06-06-2011 12:02 AM

you can't turn it off, that feature is locked.'


Then we get this guy who sounds like he knows what he is talking about;




06-23-2011 02:50 PM

scot800-

If you need your modem in bridge mode we can do this. I check your account and I didn't see your modem online as of now. Please let me know.

Thank You


-ComcastLarry-


Still I have know idea what bridging mode (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/367347) does. AND does it disable BOTH radio signals? It doesn't sound like it to me.


P.S. Your right about everything tending that way. That is one of the frustrations. I want to lesson the propagation of radio waves around me. Everyone else wants stronger WiFi signals and better access.

liberty2897
06-15-2013, 01:42 PM
Snip...

Looking through the administration settings on the SMCD3GNV, I don't see a way to turn off the WiFi radio. Does anyone know how to turn it off? No sense in tossing around extra radio waves in the already crowded 2.4 GHz range.[/I]


If you post a hires photo of the pcb, I can probably tell you how to disable the WIFI side. Try to get the component silkscreen readable.

Carson
06-15-2013, 01:58 PM
If you post a hires photo of the pcb, I can probably tell you how to disable the WIFI side. Try to get the component silkscreen readable.

I took it back. I wouldn't want to open up their equipment anyway. Eventually I suppose I will just block the signals with a Faraday Cage or go over to the WiFi side of life and bake with everyone else. I am to an extent regardless of my wishes.

sailingaway
06-15-2013, 02:08 PM
I understand people who steal credit card numbers create wi fi hot spots that 'look like' legitimate ones at airports etc, apparently if you run the wifi you can get all sorts of information off it. A sort of 'voluntary' 'spy on everything I do' perhaps?

mad cow
06-15-2013, 02:16 PM
It might be as simple as wrapping it in aluminum foil.If you have a buddy with a smartphone it would be easy to find out.

CPUd
06-15-2013, 02:38 PM
I kind of doubt that. I believe the modems will negotiate for the highest possible throughput for a given transmission line quality. I'm pretty sure that they control bandwidth by mac address on their routers (in software). If you have a link to something that shows otherwise, I would certainly find that interesting.

It's been 5 or 6 years since (I've seen it done), but to do it completely in software:

the DOCSIS config file for the device is stored at the provider- the modem connects to the provider's TFTP server
get a copy of the config file and change it as needed
run a TFTP server on your local machine, reconfigure your network interface with the same IP as your provider's TFTP server
connect the modem to your local machine, you don't need the coax connection at this point.
power cycle the modem, it will grab the config file from your TFTP server

cable modem is uncapped, reconfigure your other devices as normal.

when the cable modem is power cycled again, it will get the config file from the ISP as it usually does. If you're familiar with the circuitry, you can hardwire a NVRAM chip to store the config file and bypass the check. The only difference between hard mod and soft mod is that with the hard mod, you don't have to keep doing it every time it powers up.

You don't ever want to open any equipment leased to you from your ISP, when you eventually return it they will charge you 5x what it is worth. You can buy your own cable modem and either MAC spoof your old one, or contact your ISP support to set up the new one. When I had Charter, they had a web interface where you could do it yourself.

Yes, it is theft of service and when they catch you, they will jack you up to the fullest extent of the law.

Carson
06-15-2013, 03:28 PM
It might be as simple as wrapping it in aluminum foil.If you have a buddy with a smartphone it would be easy to find out.


I was kind of thinking about a steel trash can with some room for ventilation.

While I was looking into this people were talking about their modems running hot now.

I'm thinking one poster said his modems used to be warm but he could hold onto them. I think he said the one he had now he couldn't and after a couple of weeks he was smelling the smell of burning plastic. Then again maybe I jumbled a bunch of post together.

Carson
06-15-2013, 07:48 PM
I don't understand your "new world order WIFI" comment.


Another thing that may weigh on me in this regard; I've heard to globalist saying things like Internet access is fundamental right and everyone should have it.

Then I find myself cornered into personally providing some of it.

Maybe I just can't help to keep putting two and two together.

Root
06-15-2013, 09:53 PM
I'm not really concerned with the magic of being able to receive my signal up to speed over the same cable while it is be shared with an uninvited guest. What I wondering is would the white van show up if you fired up the soldering iron and disabled the WiFi broadcast.

Actually not really either now. But still...
Your signals will still be shared with others. The cable/fiber lines back to the headend are all shared with your neighbors.

CPUd
06-16-2013, 01:45 AM
I understand people who steal credit card numbers create wi fi hot spots that 'look like' legitimate ones at airports etc, apparently if you run the wifi you can get all sorts of information off it. A sort of 'voluntary' 'spy on everything I do' perhaps?

This is a free software that will show you all activity your network card can see:
http://www.wireshark.org/

For WiFi, you can put your card in promiscuous mode and passively listen/record the activity in an open WiFi network. If the network is not open, but has a weak encryption scheme, you can get what you need to crack the key just by listening.