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tangent4ronpaul
06-15-2013, 10:28 AM
Wisconsin voters replaced the civil-liberties champion with an ostensibly Tea Party senator -- who doesn't seem to care about government snooping.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/russ-feingold-tried-to-warn-us-about-section-215-of-the-patriot-act/276878/?google_editors_picks=true

In September 2009, Russ Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act when it was first proposed, released a statement expressing concern that critical information about the way it was being used hadn't been released, "information that I believe would have a significant impact on the debate." He singled out "information about the use of Section 215 orders that I believe Congress and the American people deserve to know," adding that "before we decide whether and in what form to extend these authorities, Congress and the American people deserve to know at least basic information about how they have been used." (Section 215 allows the government to use the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to compel businesses to turn over certain information.) Congress ought to add limits to the bill "that allow agents to actively pursue criminals, terrorists and spies, but that also protect the privacy of innocent Americans," Feingold said, or else more privacy abuses would happen.

On October 1, 2009, the Wisconsin senator issued an additional warning about Section 215 during a Senate Judiciary hearing: "Mr. Chairman, I am also a member of the intelligence Committee. I recall during the debate in 2005 that proponents of Section 215 argued that these authorities had never been misused. They cannot make that statement now. They have been misused. I cannot elaborate here. But I recommend that my colleagues seek more information in a classified setting."

Statements like these are worth raising now in part because Wisconsin's Tea Party voters ought to understand that, when they replaced Feingold with Senator Ron Johnson in 2010, they traded a civil-libertarian prescient in the abuses he anticipated with someone who is worthless on this issue. These bygone quotes matter to the rest of us insofar as they illustrate something that Julian Sanchez observed about secretive intelligence programs and oversight. One reason it often proves insufficient, Sanchez explained, is that "when legislators do become aware of problems, their ability to mobilize support for reform is hampered by their own inability to go public with their concerns."

Sanchez, a brilliant guy who has studied these issues closely for years, observed in a separate item that, despite listening to Feingold's warnings as he made them -- along with warnings by Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall -- he was surprised by what Edward Snowden has revealed. "When I contemplated the most paranoid scenarios for how the government might use the Patriot Act's §215 'business record' authority that still seemed realistic, I did not imagine they would use it to routinely collect all Americans' phone (and perhaps Internet) records for years at a time," he wrote at Cato. "I thought perhaps in a panic they might do something similar for an entire city over the course of a month. Clearly, I was thinking too small."

Last week in Wisconsin, speaking to an audience of Democrats, Feingold said, "I don't come to you tonight as an officeholder. I don't come to you tonight as a candidate -- at least not in 2013, 2014, or 2015." In 2016, the man who beat him, Johnson, is up for reelection. If Feingold managed to retake his seat, he would be a welcome presence in the Senate for civil libertarians (despite his ill-conceived campaign-finance bill that did nothing to make the system less corrupt).

Senators Rand Paul, Wyden, and others could use the help.

-t

AuH20
06-15-2013, 10:41 AM
I'd still take Ron Johnson over Feingold despite Feingold's strength in this area. His voting record is superior, especially in regard to 2nd amendment rights, government overreach and fiscal issues. Full spectrum, Johnson is better, but Feingold obviously had strengths in this area.

Anti Federalist
06-15-2013, 10:54 AM
"I thought perhaps in a panic they might do something similar for an entire city over the course of a month. Clearly, I was thinking too small."
I get called a bitter, paranoid, Luddite for "thinking big" and too often being right, much to my dismay.

God Damn you Cassandra.

Anti Federalist
06-15-2013, 10:56 AM
I'd still take Ron Johnson over Feingold despite Feingold's strength in this area. His voting record is superior, especially in regard to 2nd amendment rights, government overreach and fiscal issues. Full spectrum, Johnson is better, but Feingold obviously had strengths in this area.

Feingold would be a Team Blue player by now, in spite of what he said in '09.

FrankRep
06-15-2013, 10:57 AM
You realize that Russ Feingold voted for Obamacare and Stimulus right?

On Passage of the Bill H.R. 3590: An act entitled The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Russ Feingold: AYE (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00396)



American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

Russ Feingold: AYE (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00064)



I can list a ton more...

AuH20
06-15-2013, 11:00 AM
You realize the Russ Feingold voted for Obamacare and Stimulus right?

On Passage of the Bill H.R. 3590: An act entitled The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Russ Feingold: AYE (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00396)


American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (H.R. 1)

Russ Feingold: AYE (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00064)


I can list a ton more...

But so-called civil libertarians are dogmatic one issue voters. And Feingold most likely would have supported a comprehensive assault weapons ban. What's ultimately more important? The 4th or the 2nd?????? The 2nd can actually help one PHYSICALLY repel an attack, whether it be fedcoats or whomever. It's the ulitmate liberty defense tool available to the citizens of the United States.

FrankRep
06-15-2013, 11:06 AM
On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2636 to S. 1805 (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act): To require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions occurring at events that provide a venue for the sale, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange of firearms, and for other purposes.



Gun Show Checks. This amendment to S. 1805 (Firearms Manufacturers Protection) would require criminal background checks on all firearms purchases at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold.

The Senate adopted this amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 by a vote of 53 to 46 (Roll Call 25). We have assigned pluses to the nays because these restrictions on firearm transactions at gun shows would be an unconstitutional infringement on the Second Amendment. Subsequently, the Senate rejected S. 1805 by a vote of 8 to 90.


Russ Feingold: AYE (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00025)

AuH20
06-15-2013, 11:06 AM
Feingold would be a Team Blue player by now, in spite of what he said in '09.

I remember him backing down on a big issue with the Obama admin. I can't recollect what it was. And he seems to really really admire the current administration:

http://socialistalternative.org/news/article10.php?id=1801


Now that Feingold has taken the job, however, he’s changing his emphasis. In an interview with Democracy Now! (2/23/12), he mainly fawned over Obama as a “good president” who if re-elected will “be a great president by the time he’s done.” Obama’s achievements according to Feingold include: “healthcare for the first time in 70 years,” “22 months of positive job growth,” and “the best reputation overseas of any president in memory, that has reversed the awful damage of the Bush administration.” Feingold promises that if re-elected, Obama “will help us appoint justices who will overturn Citizens United.”

ROFL Great president. "reversed awful damage of Bush Admin overseas." LOL LOL

FrankRep
06-15-2013, 11:10 AM
Lets not forget McCain-Feingold!


On Passage of the Bill S. 27: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to provide bipartisan campaign reform.



McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance. The intent behind the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance bill is to squelch criticism of government and elected officials. The bill would further limit contributions by organizations and corporations to political parties and require most organizations criticizing federal elected officials to file financial reports with the FEC. Regulations under McCain-Feingold and Shays-Meehan (the corresponding House version of the bill) would essentially require disclosure of the names and political finances of political activists. The bill would not abolish or directly restrict free speech and free press. But requiring disclosure is a measure of political control by intimidation.

The Senate passed S. 27 on April 2, 2001 by a vote of 59-41 (Roll Call 64). We have assigned pluses to the nays.


Russ Feingold: AYE (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00064)