Neocons Get Their Contemptible Wish

[Warlord]

This is a terrific analysis. Please spread this to your friends, colleagues and networks (with link).

Neocons Get Their Contemptible Wish (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/139527.html)

Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on June 14, 2013 07:19 AM

They get Obama to make war more directly on Syria by arming the so-called rebels. The immediate reason for this is not sarin gas but that the Syrian government has won some victories on the ground. The effects of this in Syria and on Syrians are more deaths of Syrians, more refugees, prolonging the war, raising the intensity of the war, attracting more sectarian strife into Syria, raising the region's hatreds, creating more hostility to the U.S., widening the war in that region, and causing other major governments like Russia to reassess their strategies, short-term and long. The result is not toward a peaceful world but toward a world laden with more tension, distrust and mutual suspicions. Obama's leadership is precisely in the wrong direction morally, but it will also produce the opposite of what he expects pragmatically. At home, Obama deflects attention temporarily from the spying controversy, but he was headed in this direction even before that broke, with the appointment of Susan Rice and with his red-line policy.

Neocons are a contemptible, vile, evil and despicable lot. Obama threw in with them on Iran sanctions, on Libya, on drone warfare throughout the world, on assassination policy, on government spying, on persecution of whistleblowers, and on government secrecy. Count Obama as a neocon. He too is a contemptible lying knave, a dishonest and unscrupulous scoundrel, intent as are the necons, on expanding the American empire. This does not create a better world, I am sorry to say, but the neocons are too blind to see and understand this.

Obama's administration provides clear evidence that where it counts and on major policies and thrusts, domestic and foreign, there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. This latest action cements the historical view of continuity of the Bush-Obama administrations. Anti-Obama leftists and progressives have no place to go, except perhaps toward the libertarian camp, and how likely is that?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/139527.html

[Warlord]

President's Syria Decision Delights War Porn Aficionados (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/139615.html)

Posted by Daniel McAdams on June 14, 2013 10:18 AM

Hours after President Obama's young Deputy National Security Advisor, the fiction-writer Ben Rhodes, announced that the "red line" in Syria had been crossed and that his boss was about to start arming the Syrian rebels (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3-N9tx33wqp8TyS4RSVqV0bHF88LtQRzaFp1-myN6MuMZxg0qjg), the usual suspects have again crawled out of their shells to gleefully finger the dog-eared pages of their favorite weapons catalogues...

Witness Foreign Policy's John Hudson, who updates his March 2013 full color glossy guide to "The weapons that could change the game in Syria (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/03/15/the_weapons_that_could_change_the_game_in_syria)" to inform us of the president's decision.

Who did he turn to in his March article for all the breathless details on the glowing death machines? None other than Jeffrey White (http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/view/white-jeffrey), of the notorious Washington Institute for Near East Policy -- otherwise known as "AIPAC's Think-Tank (http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2012/10/05/spy-crisis-launched-aipacs-think-tank/)." WINEP and its sister organizations, AIPAC and the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/most-favored-democracy/) have heartily encouraged (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/syria-crisis-aipac-conference_n_1332471.html) the shift. Now that they have their way it is time to trot out the war porn, bring the uniformed "experts" back on to the television screen to talk weapons and tactics in a blistering staccato of acronym and jargon that delights the warmonger's ears.

It's 2003 all over again!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/139615.html

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This is a terrific analysis. Please spread this to your friends, colleagues and networks (with link).

Neocons Get Their Contemptible Wish (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/139527.html)

Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on June 14, 2013 07:19 AM

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Neocons are a contemptible, vile, evil and despicable lot. Obama threw in with them on Iran sanctions, on Libya, on drone warfare throughout the world, on assassination policy, on government spying, on persecution of whistleblowers, and on government secrecy. Count Obama as a neocon. He too is a contemptible lying knave, a dishonest and unscrupulous scoundrel, intent as are the necons, on expanding the American empire. ..

Warlord, given your grasp of warring factions, do you think Obama is himself a hardcore neocon pursuing these policies with his free will or he is being pressured?

Obama could be following dictates of some our closing "allies". Security of Israel/Saudi dictatorship is also an important goal it seems for Obama regime. Sometimes governments have to do crazy things for security and Obama is game for learning tricks of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0

Last time US supported AlQaeda linked jihadi militants against a Russian supported regime was in 1980s, 9/11 attacks attributed to Al Qaeda occured in 2001. History is teaching no lessons?
Obama will need to come on national TV and explain what is his blowback protection plan for the weaponizing of Al Qaeda linked militants against another Russian supported regime he is doing now?
"My puppet masters told me to do so" won't be good enough.

Other possible speculation theory could be that he is not doing this with his free will and has no choice. But if he is being arm twisted or threatened by any foreign agents into playing this seemingly dangerous game that is equivalent of playing with fire, again he needs to take American public into confidence and then put US interests ahaed of those of any foreign lobbies or agents.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/01/20/solution-for-israel-take-out-obama/

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/21/us/jewish-president-threat

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Warlord, given your grasp of warring factions, do you think Obama is himself a hardcore neocon pursuing these policies with his free will or he is being pressured?

Obama could be following dictates of some our closing "allies". Security of Israel/Saudi dictatorship is also an important goal it seems for Obama regime. Sometimes governments have to do crazy things for security and Obama is game for learning tricks of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0

Last time US supported AlQaeda linked jihadi militants against a Russian supported regime was in 1980s, 9/11 attacks attributed to Al Qaeda occured in 2001. History is teaching no lessons?
Obama will need to come on national TV and explain what is his blowback protection plan for the weaponizing of Al Qaeda linked militants against another Russian supported regime he is doing now?
"My puppet masters told me to do so" won't be good enough.

Other possible speculation theory could be that he is not doing this with his free will and has no choice. But if he is being arm twisted or threatened by any foreign agents into playing this seemingly dangerous game that is equivalent of playing with fire, again he needs to take American public into confidence and then put US interests ahaed of those of any foreign lobbies or agents.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/01/20/solution-for-israel-take-out-obama/

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/21/us/jewish-president-threat

This executive decision is largely influenced by the anglo-american establishment that supersedes the wishes of the neoconservatives, despite them being thrilled with the outcome. Theoretically, with Syria out of the picture, Israel will be more insulated from a proxy attack from the east when Iran is finally forced to close down the strait. This is a preemptive moving of the pieces on the chessboard.

[Warlord]

The weapons manufacturers and contractors are behind it. They want more war, chaos and contracts.

Bombs, ammo, military hardware and then reconstruction. Everyone wins except the US taxpayer.

[AuH20]

The weapons manufacturers and contractors are behind it. They want more war, chaos and contracts.

Bombs, ammo, military hardware and then reconstruction. Everyone wins except the US taxpayer.

It goes much higher than that. This is about reshaping an entire region.

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This executive decision is largely influenced by the anglo-american establishment that supersedes the wishes of the neoconservatives, despite them being thrilled with the outcome. Theoretically, with Syria out of the picture, Israel will be more insulated from a proxy attack from the east when Iran is finally forced to close down the strait. This is a preemptive moving of the pieces on the chessboard.


Who is exactly that? GE execs/Wall Street bankers/Pope/ Cameron of UK /Bible belt ministers? Is Obama part of this establishment or their unwilling puppet?

Is mormon faith Jon Huntsman part of A-A est?


During a recent debate (http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ewJXKcOUJlIaG&b=7721235&ct=11521355), Republican presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman spelled out why the U.S. is being induced to “protect” the Syrian people:


“We’ve got Syria now on the horizon, where we do have American interests. It’s called Israel.”



http://thepassionateattachment.com/2011/12/21/huntsman-an-american-interest-in-syria-called-israel/

[Warlord]

It goes much higher than that. This is about reshaping an entire region.

Don't be silly. There's no "reshaping" any region. They just want chaos and reconstruction. They don't give a shit about the region or who controls it as long as they're getting the contracts

[Warlord]

Read this thread for a perspective from a high ranking former Pakistani General:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417980-Lt-General-Hamid-Gul-on-Alex-Jones-CIA-Run-Al-Qaeda&p=5075500&viewfull=1#post5075500

[Warlord]

Who is exactly that? GE execs/Wall Street bankers/Pope/ Cameron of UK /Bible belt ministers? Is Obama part of this establishment or their unwilling puppet?

Wall Street, investment banks, weapons manufacturers and private contractors and whoever owns stock in them (usually it's wall street). Wall Street pwns Obama.

The British are definitely involved. Cameron/Hague are doing the bidding for BP and BEA

[AuH20]

Don't be silly. There's no "reshaping" any region. They just want chaos and reconstruction. They don't give a shit about the region or who controls it as long as they're getting the contracts

Have you read this book? This goes far beyond petty military contractors. Power and control trumps money, when you can simply create electronic currency out of thin air.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9XzDGnDAGDc/TOILy3huDjI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/ZtgHM2J7xrc/s1600/grand-chessboard.jpg

[Warlord]

Have you read this book? This goes far beyond petty military contractors. Power and control trumps money, when you can simply create electronic currency out of thin war.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9XzDGnDAGDc/TOILy3huDjI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/ZtgHM2J7xrc/s1600/grand-chessboard.jpg

He's their puppet (one of many). They employ him to write books and be a "thinker" and make sure there's more intervention. There's lots of people like him.

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Have you read this book? This goes far beyond petty military contractors. Power and control trumps money, when you can simply create electronic currency out of thin air.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9XzDGnDAGDc/TOILy3huDjI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/ZtgHM2J7xrc/s1600/grand-chessboard.jpg



Did he help out with coping plan on 9/11/2001 after WTC fell or that does not figure in his chessboard game?

http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources/uploads/images/zbigniew-brzezinski.jpg

[Pericles]

Israel is interested in keeping Assad in power - they at least have some kind of understanding with him.

The current clowns in Washington are fixated on (A) revolt of "the people" against repressive regimes (B) keeping the focus in the news out of Washington, which also intersects the interests of the (C) MIC want to sell war material ...

[AuH20]

Who is exactly that? GE execs/Wall Street bankers/Pope/ Cameron of UK /Bible belt ministers? Is Obama part of this establishment or their unwilling puppet?

Is mormon faith Jon Huntsman part of A-A est?



http://thepassionateattachment.com/2011/12/21/huntsman-an-american-interest-in-syria-called-israel/

The Council of Foreign Relations, which is the offshoot of the Cecil Rhodes inspired Royal Institute of International Affairs. The CFR is the place where real policy is decided in the West and it's members intersect into the realms of finance, politics, business and the media.

As far as Obama's intentions, he's been raised within the corporate backed American intelligence community. He's a willing participant in these activities.

[AuH20]

Did he help out with coping plan on 9/11/2001 after WTC fell or that does not figure in his chessboard game?

http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources/uploads/images/zbigniew-brzezinski.jpg

He directly wrote in his book that a catastrophic 911 type event (wrote in 1998) was the only way that America could fulfill it's destiny as the transformative superpower on the planet. This is a very twisted individual.

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Israel is interested in keeping Assad in power - they at least have some kind of understanding with him.

The current clowns in Washington are fixated on (A) revolt of "the people" against repressive regimes (B) keeping the focus in the news out of Washington, which also intersects the interests of the (C) MIC want to sell war material ...

Does this mean they will next get fixated on revolt of Palestinian "people" to liberate them from occupation?

But you are right, neocons in US/UK play the most dstructive part in pursuit of dubious foreign polcies charged to tax payers with blowbacks and all.

[AuH20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIvgJiW_aiY

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Read this thread for a perspective from a high ranking former Pakistani General:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417980-Lt-General-Hamid-Gul-on-Alex-Jones-CIA-Run-Al-Qaeda&p=5075500&viewfull=1#post5075500


Here's a partial transcript (from what I can make out):

On Obama and the US government:

'The Israeli lobbies and the Indian lobbies are now fully riding on the neck of the Americans -- on the back of the Americans -- but unfortunately Obama has turned out to be a weak link . He has been a very weak president. He is gutless. He lacks courage. He cannot stand up to the Pentagon and its General's. He cannot stand up to the neocons. This is his problem. He can't even do a small thing like close the Guantanamo camp which he promised to close 5 years ago. This is a very bad omen for America and the future.'

On Afghanistan:

'Once you are defeated you must break away, immediately cut off, scoot from there gracefully if you can but unfortunately the way they have chosen because of the security contractors -- and there are no less than 105,000 security contractors now employed in Afghanistan -- they're all the old hands of the CIA and the FBI and various other agencies so obviously it's big money for them and then there's the opium trade which is worth more than $5bn in raw form. '

Opium trade:

'This is happening right under their [Americans] noses. I'm afraid some of the military aircraft have been used for these purposes because it's not possible. We know there was a time when there were great holes for these narcotics in Pakistan but for the last 6 or 7 years there are no big holes for narcotics, so where are they going? Which route are they taking? Obviously with Iran they can't use that route. Pakistan is not being used. So what route are they using? It's the aerial route that is being used. It's going to Europe and America itself.'

More on Afghanistan:

'This is worse than Vietnam. The stakes are much higher for those involved in making big money. I think there has to be a commission setup by the American citizens who will probe into the properties which have been purchased -- the waterfront properties and a lot of money that has been accumulated in banks and elsewhere -- and you have to look into who made all this money. The trillions of dollars which have been transferred out of this.'

US army involved in blowing stuff up so contractors benefit:

'And the US corps of engineers -- which is a despicable thing for me to think about as a soldier -- but the US corps of engineers is actually getting graft of up to 25%. They get false receipts signed by the contractors. Buildings are blown up on their orders. They want those bridges blown up so they can be reconstructed and more money can flow into their pocket. So this has corrupted the American people and the longer they stay the more damaging it's going to be for the American people and their character. A whole nations character -- once a very proud nation, it is a proud nation even today I would say one of the greatest nations -- unfortunately what is being done to it by a handful of people who are selfish and malicious and they will stop at nothing to make money.'

On American General's:

'So I will also comment upon the General's who freely know this war has been lost but even then they won't stop sacrificing the boys and girls of their own nations because they're so arrogant -- some of them are not corrupt but very arrogant -- they think they cannot be defeated but the fact is they have been defeated very badly.'

On withdrawing from Afghanistan:

'Why 2014 if they have lost the war already and it has been known since 2009 that this has been an unwinnable war then why take 5 more years? And yet there are some saying they must stay on... why do they want to stay on? Because there are contractors building up the bases in Afghanistan.'

On the real al-Qaeda and its CIA replacement:

'For your audience I want to clarify one thing. That there is a genuine al-Qaeda there is no doubt about it. That was a reaction towards what America was doing and what their own countries under the tutelage of America were actually doing so those people came in and gathered in Afghanistan.

That's true but then immediately the CIA created their OWN al-Qaeda and that al-Qaeda or this Taliban as far as Pakistan is concerned are creations of America themselves and unfortunately the British are fully involved in this.

The other European countries have kept a distance but the British and the Americans are together and have been playing this game for a long time now. But this is a very dangerous game because they know that Afghanistan has never been conquered it has been known as a graveyard of the superpowers and yet another superpower is getting buried there.

There is still time to achieve a clean break but unfortunately as I said these greedy people who are running the show and filling the pockets of the decision makers will not let them break away while any logic or any reason -- any rational -- suggests they must go away as quickly as possible.

Now going out of Afghanistan the only relief zone is Pakistan. They cant go towards Iran. They can't go towards the Russians because Putin is at loggerheads with them and he will not allow the Northern network as its called euphemistically, it's just not going to work.

But Pakistan is also being targeted. Why is Pakistan being destabilized? Well this is the only relief zone for you. This is a big question and it means only one thing: that the Israelis and the Indians -- more particularly the Israelis -- will never rest in peace unless Pakistan is brought to the status of a failed state where Pakistan can be universally declared as a State which must not possess nuclear weapons.

So I think American policy makers are playing to two different hands. One is the fear and ambition of the Indians and the Israelis and the other is the greed of the multinationals. So these two factors put together are going to destroy the future of the American people.

They [U.S forces] would like to go back in isolation. They're using drones. As soon as our new government after a very handsome turnout by the people despite the threats of the Taliban of Pakistan that they would attack polling stations the people of Pakistan turned out in huge numbers. And as soon as democracy was established within 2 days there was a drone attack because at the time the Prime Minister elect had said he would engage the Taliban in talks so that this turmoil and bloodshed in Pakistan ends. That means America is not being friendly to the very country that they need so much for their withdrawal.'



All this is pretty incredible. Is Obama team aware of this all if this is true?

[Warlord]

All this is pretty incredible. Is Obama team aware of this all if this is true?

Obama's "team" are in the pocket of all the people he's talking about and know exactly what their doing. Obama himself is a glorified actor who reads the scripts they prepare for him

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Hard to disagree with that.

But this is pretty blunt though even if is thought as puppet in chief.


He is gutless. He lacks courage.

He just called him a coward.

[Warlord]

Hard to disagree with that.

But this is pretty blunt though even if is thought as puppet in chief.



He just called him a coward.


General Gul also correctly asserts 9/11 was an inside job. He is one of Pakistan's finest. He helped defeat the Soviets' in the 80's and all our men pledge allegiance.

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The weapons manufacturers and contractors are behind it. They want more war, chaos and contracts.

Bombs, ammo, military hardware and then reconstruction. Everyone wins except the US taxpayer.


If this is the case, horrible way to put food on the table for their children and wives by instigating bloodshed of innocent to keep the war bootie train going. They need to be identified and exposed in front of team Obama.

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Even Moore left thinks he is a puppet.


He is gutless. He lacks courage.

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